bushpilot
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Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:59 am

Simple question...yes or no and why if youd like to add it. I am just thinking about the middle eastern civilians who choose to take this path ending thier lives and taking as many as possible with them, often innocent ones. There doesnt seem to be a shortage of recruits for these missions. Are they effective? How many of us if put in the situation would do the same?
 
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:13 am

I dont think any of us really know until we have been put in the same desperate situation at and had the idea sold to us by expert recruiters.
However I think most of us probably wouldnt as it is only a tiny minority of Palestinians who actually do this.
 
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:49 am

I hope not, but who knows? What would I have done in the Nationalsocialistic time 70 years ago? Would I have been an opponent? Would I have been in the SS? I don't know. I certainly hope I would have opposed the system, but honestly I am not so sure.

Fortunately we live in better times today in the west. I hope for the palestinians that they manage to get a better life without suicide bombings. Violence leads to nothing, so both Israel and the Palestinians should stop now.
 
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:52 am

Suicide bombers, here in Turkey at least, are people with VERY little education and ones that have been brainwashed VERy early on, so if stopping suicide bombings is the goal, basically educating everyone to some preset minimum level is required, and that would takes YEARS, and a less religious, more scientific approach
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:05 am

Good question , I asked this directly to My Brother in law who is from Egypt and is very Anti Bush. He is not a strict Muslim but does not eat pork and does the majic carpet thing every once in a while. He pretty much does eveything ,strip clubs,smokes,drinks. But when I asked him the direct question he hesitated for a second and said that he "understood them". I told my sister that she is nuts and I pretty much just stay away from him.

It is a very effective terror waepon , no question about it. And pretty much indefenceable.
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:15 am

As a desperate last resort attempt to kill a hated dictator, maybe, if everything else has failed.
As an example. Colonel Count von Stauffenberg offered to blow himself up with Hitler, but unfortunately he, who was the only member of the group of coupists who had physical access to Hitler, was, as the brains behind the coup attempt, also needed afterwards to organise the events after Hitler's killing. If he would have sacrificed himself instead of just leaving the bomb under the table in the conference room, Hitler would probably have been killed. But the same could have been said about drawing a pistol to shoot a dictator, with the certainity of being gunned down and executed a few seconds later by the body guards.

But I'd rather prefer to live instead of becoming a martyr.

Blowing myself up in a public street: No way. In my opinion the killers are cowards.

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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:52 am

In short: no, never.

There is no reason I can think of that would make me prefer death instead of life. OK, maybe some desperate, illness-related or hunger-related situations, but definitely no political reasons.

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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:54 am

OK, I know I am taking it to it's limits now, but what the pro-suicide bombers are saying is that it is a sin to kill, unless you do it in order to kill westerners (Jews, Americans or anybody that is generally white)?

That's like saying "it's forbidden to steal a car unless you draw a number 4 behind your ear, use black ink" or "do not rape unless you wear a blue hat".

Suicide bombers are not precision weapons, they blow up an occasional Muslim or two (besides them selves of course). How many Muslims where there in WTC on September 11?

How do they know that they will not blow up a Muslim, do they ask around: Eh sorry, can all Muslims please leave the facility now, I am about to blow my self up. Allah Akbar, anybody? Pull my finger?

I understand that men who do it think they will come to heaven where they will be greeted by 71 virgins.
But women? Who are greeting them? 71 Chippendale's?


Would I blow myself up? No way.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 4):
He pretty much does everything ,strip clubs,smokes,drinks

Isn't your sister the luckiest girl on the face of this planet...
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:02 am

Thanks for your replies so far, some interesting insights, I am not sure what I would do, but in terms of an occupying army living in my town, I would be defiant until the end. Whether I strapped explosives to myself or what, I would be hellbent on killing as many occupiers as possible through any means possible. I would rather stay alive to continue to fight, but if the opportunity arose to complete a mission, help my family and community, and inflict pain on an occupying force, I think my life would be worth that.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 4):
It is a very effective terror waepon , no question about it. And pretty much indefenceable.

This is my point exactly, if you want to get your politcal message across, the suicide bomber has shown to be quite an effective way to do so, they are the smartest of all smart bombs.

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 3):

Thanks for the reply, especially from an Islamic nation majority, have you found any reasons besides being a hero in Allahs eyes why people do this? I myself am an athiest, so the concept of killing infadels just for being infadels escapes me, but I am curious just as to the reasons one decides to do this.
 
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 8):
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 4):
It is a very effective terror waepon , no question about it. And pretty much indefenceable.

This is my point exactly, if you want to get your politcal message across, the suicide bomber has shown to be quite an effective way to do so, they are the smartest of all smart bombs.

See the Von Stauffenberg case: He placed the bag with the bomb under the chart table, close to Hitler and excused himself, claiming to have to do an urgent phone call. In meantime some other officer pushed the bag away, because it got into his way. As a result, while there were several officers wounded or killed, Hitler only suffered a few scratches. If Von Stauffenberg could have staid there, he would have made sure that the bomb would explode right beside Hitler.

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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
But I'd rather prefer to live instead of becoming a martyr.

Yes. Basically for you it is the end of the world. There is no point in trying to become a martyr because you yourself will not benefit from your actions even if it was an evil dictator. To get over this fact takes heafty brainwashing and promises of imense rewards in the afterlife.
 
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting YAK42 (Reply 10):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
But I'd rather prefer to live instead of becoming a martyr.

Yes. Basically for you it is the end of the world. There is no point in trying to become a martyr because you yourself will not benefit from your actions even if it was an evil dictator. To get over this fact takes heafty brainwashing and promises of imense rewards in the afterlife.

Either this, or the situation you are in is so bad that you don't see any advantage. Another aspect would be e.g. improving life for your children, but then again only out of a truly desperate situation.

Jan
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RE: Would You Have Been A Suicide Bomber?

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
See the Von Stauffenberg case: He placed the bag with the bomb under the chart table, close to Hitler and excused himself,

I am familar with the case, my understanding is that the bag being moved to the outside of the heavy wood(oak IIRC) is what saved Hitler, which is a shame, unfortunatly, Von Stauffenberg wasnt in a position to take his own life along with it because he had some other duties as part of the attempt on Hitlers life. But I digress...

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