dc10s4ever
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GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:12 am

As expected. Why cant GM seem to get it. Build a QUALITY car.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/earnings/2006-04-20-gm_x.htm
 
4holer
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:26 am

I don't even like to rent the things.
If I was buying now, I wouldn't even consider a GM car.
Sorry, but it's the truth.
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Superfly
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Why cant GM seem to get it. Build a QUALITY car.

They used to but chose to discontinue all of them in favor of SUVs and the current junk in there line up.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:15 am

while you have the chance btw, id change the name to LOSES not looses  Wink
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:15 am

My family was solidly a GM car family until about 10 years ago. Now we go for Honda and Toyota, the value in the car is retained and they are reasonably priced.
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:37 am

GM, as well in part Ford and Chrysler (D-C) all have serious problems as to the cars they market (light trucks and SUV's are doing fine, although Toyota, Nisssan and others are catching up). Poor ergonomics, poor reliability, lousy designs, poor engineering, poor quality control and too many bean counters, have ruined them except for the fleet markets and those whom cannot bear to buy a 'foreign' or non-union car.
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:43 am

They are not visionary like Toyota and other car makers among their other failings. The only GM I would buy is the Corvette.
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:00 pm

Hell I wouldn't even buy the corvette. Though it is fast for the money, it's a dinosaur compared to the import sports cars.

GM is really hurting big time. Their cars are lame, the only people that seem the buy them are the elderly. Crappy build quality.. nothing like a good dash rattle when you close the door on a brand new car  Yeah sure And then there's the Aveo which is supposed to be their new economy hatchback, well it's actually a Daewoo with a Chevy badge on it, though with the way GM's quality is going down I'm not sure if it's a bad thing for GM to have some cars made in Korea. This is supposed to compete with the Toyota Yaris (echo hatchback, just with the European name now).

Kris
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:07 pm

Well, at least they're losing money at a slower rate. That beats the $10.6 *billion* (and no, that isn't a typo) they lost over 2005.

-Leanne
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Hell I wouldn't even buy the corvette. Though it is fast for the money, it's a dinosaur compared to the import sports cars.

 rotfl 

A dinosaur, huh? You're right, the new C6 Corvette has nothing, especially the Z06.



Do a little research, and you'll find that the new $70K Corvette Z06 is not only competing very well in all performance categories, but beating many of the top and most expensive foreign sports cars in the world, both on the track, and on the 1/4 mile.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Their cars are lame, the only people that seem the buy them are the elderly.

And that seals the deal. Proves your ignorance to the extreme.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
GM's quality is going down

Going down? Funny, seems to me that the quality in GM vehicles seen today, especially their newer cars, is worlds apart from their previous generations and predecessors.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Their cars are lame

Yes, their line-up really sucks, nobody wants them at all.

http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2006/04/reigniting_the.html#more

You're just another classic example -- blaming all of GM's mishaps on their cars rather than their corporate management. Ignorance is ignorance.



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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 8):
Well, at least they're losing money at a slower rate. That beats the $10.6 *billion* (and no, that isn't a typo) they lost over 2005.

And that's really good news for investors.GM stock gained +2.07.

Ford(F) reports tomorrow.I going to bet the house!(lol)
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Superfly
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:26 pm

Enough about the Corvette. That is a low production rate exotic sports car and isn't going to keep GM in business. It's too small of a market.

Pointing out GM's flaws is like pointing out the flaws of the Dubya administration. There are so many, where do you start?

-First of all, the top brass at GM is former Proctor & Gamble execs. How stupid is that?!?!?!?!
GM needs car people! Not people ass-wipe specialist.
Bob Lutz is just some old senile guy that comes out once a year to pull the cover off a concept car that will never go in to production.


-All of GM's best models of recent years (last 10 years) have been discontinued. The B-body platform (Caprice Classic, Impala SS, Custom Cruiser, Roadmaster Estate Wagon and Fleetwood Brougham) were axed so GM could crank out more Suburbans, Tahoes and other names on that platform.
When GM announced that they were killing that line, police departments and taxi companies bought up tons of Caprice Classics. Why?
Because they were a great car that could stand up to the daily abuse there cars go through and were cheaper and faster than the Ford Crown Victoria which still to this day only has the underpowered 4.6 overhead camshaft V8.
The GM 5.7 350cu" V8 is much more simpler and much more ballsy!
Resale value for these cars are still high.
There was no need for GM to kill these cars in 1996.
Not a penny was put in to advertising for these vehicles.

-GM also axed the F-body platform (Camaro, Firebird Trans Am). These cars HAULED ASS! Best of all, they got the same gas mileage as a Honda Accord, yet 3 times the power. Even the suspension was up to date. The last time I saw a commercial for these cars was when Night Rider was on the air (mid 1980s).
Resale value for these cars are still high. There was no need for GM to kill these cars in 2002.
Not a penny was put in to advertising for these vehicles.


-The Buick Park Avenue and Buick LeSebre ranked at the top by J.D. Power & Associates for customer satisfaction, reliability and safety. What does GM do? They killed it! Why? They wanted to 'change the image' of Buick to a younger buyer brand. How stupid is that?
SO WHAT is Buick is an older person brand?!?!?! If older people are buying your car, market to old people. Green is green and it shouldn't matter who's pocket it comes out of if it is keeping the company in business.
The Pontiac Bonneville SSE was a fantastic car too.
The new Lucurne and Lacrosse isn't attracting any younger buyers.

-Then GM canceled the Safari, Savanna van. Again, that was a line that had loyal commercial customers and was a solid rear-drive van. I am sure NWA742 can testify.  Smile

What has GM marketed to consumers within these last 10 years/
The Aztec, Aveo, Vibe, Rendezvous, Cobalt, Alero, oh and then there is the alphabet soup cars, G6, STS, DHS, DTS, ETC, XLR, EXT, SLS, PMS, CTS, SRX. WTF does all those letters mean?  confused 
Don't even get me started on the ghettoized Suburban/Escalade/Tahoe/Denali/Yukon line.

Buy the way, why is the most elite Cadillac sedan on a front-drive platform?
Leave that for the econoboxes for space efficiency. A $50,000 luxury sedan should not be on a front-drive platform. The Lincoln Town Car, Jaguar Vanden Plas and S-class Mercedes are all rear-drive.

GM needs a complete shake down of there top brass. They all need to be shown the door.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 9):
You're just another classic example -- blaming all of GM's mishaps on their cars rather than their corporate management. Ignorance is ignorance.

Again, NWA742 speaks truth but take it easy dude!

The article fails to mention the cost of many plant closures, contract buy-outs, corporate retirements and reorganization costs. Sales are not bad and once the product line is converted over to global platforms, they'll be back on their feet.

I wish Holden would take over.....or Superfly, NWA742 and I  biggrin 
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PSA53
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:40 am

Well,Ford(F) took a huge loss.Surprise,surprise!
The loss was 1.2 billion for the qtr.It was the second largest
reported loss since the company lost 5 billion in a 4th qtr 2001.
As the link says,Wall St. is very nervous.But if your a gambler,
the stock is low, if you believe the company can turn it around
depending on trends,namely gas.



http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060421/earns_ford.html?.v=16

I just bought 200 at $7.38.Let's see what happens.

[Edited 2006-04-21 19:47:51]
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Superfly
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:52 am

Psa53:
Best of luck, I wish you the best!
I do have a bias in favor of Ford because Ford doesn't have a history of stupid business deciscions like GM. Although Ford has been making some lousy mistakes recently.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Psa53:
Best of luck, I wish you the best!

Thanks! This is long term.But the the shorts
are having a field day right now.As you might
of seen,the share was low @7.13.So,hopefully
the bloodbath is over.
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Superfly
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:09 am

Psa53:
Well I own a Ford (Lincoln Town Car) and I would like to see my company doing well. I've always bought Fords every since I learned to drive.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:32 am

Athough, I have a Pontiac right now,Mustangs were my cars growing up.
1965 and 67 fastback.Love those cars.The 289 was great powerplant.
The only reason I chose Pontiac in '99, I was looking more V6 and the
design change was impressive.
I drove mustang V6 at the time,it was gutless,and If remember it,had a bad gear response(auto).The Pontiac's,3.4 powerplant, did much better.But over
the course of ownership,the head gaskets had to be replaced twice,once
cracking the head.But I wanted to get back into fun driving with V8 retro
Mustang.But the fuel prices is killing that right now.

In this investment of Ford,for others,make no mistake.It's very high risk.
Do your homework on trends.I have lost as well as won.
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deltadc9
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Why cant GM seem to get it. Build a QUALITY car.

Tell that to consumer reports and all the other similar critics, they rate high end GM cars equal to Japanese and superior to European in quality.

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Sorry, but it's the truth.

No it is not, its a myth. The entire Caddy line is awesome, thier trucks are on par with all the others and thier SUVs are superior. Some Pontiacs suck, this is true, but Buick and Saturn also make quite good cars, and Chevy is an economy line always has been as far as cars go, hard to fond a comparison abroad.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
They used to but chose to discontinue all of them in favor of SUVs and the current junk in there line up.

Driven and STS lately? CTS? DTS? What about the other 20 cars they make?

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Hell I wouldn't even buy the corvette. Though it is fast for the money, it's a dinosaur compared to the import sports cars.

Wow, tell us what is so inferior about them because you obviously dont own one.

Just thought I would add that the reason GM is loosing money is that the typical profit is 3000 per vehicle, and 1600 or so is eaten up by benifits to workers that no longer work for GM. Add pension obligations and they lose money on each vehicle. This has nothing to do with quality, unless you are talking about the quality of the management of the Unions and GM itself.

They made deals with no thought or concern on the effects decades down the line.

[Edited 2006-04-21 21:01:51]
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 17):
But I wanted to get back into fun driving with V8 retro
Mustang.But the fuel prices is killing that right now.

Go drive a new Mustang with a V6, thay are a blast, they are about the same as a GT from the previous generation in power. Thats why you see so many non GT's. They are truly worthy of a test drive, this from a guy that used to have a 96 Cobra.
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PSA53
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 19):
Go drive a new Mustang with a V6, thay are a blast, they are about the same as a GT from the previous generation in power. Thats why you see so many non GT's. They are truly worthy of a test drive, this from a guy that used to have a 96 Cobra.

Thanks for the tip.I'll check it out.My buddy has a V8 retro,and I drove
it that brought back the old days of fun driving.Wow,that was awesome.
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:31 am

Driven and STS lately? CTS? DTS? What about the other 20 cars they make?

Yeah, a few of those cars I have. An underwhelming driving experence to say the least. Unfortently (for Cadillac), more than angular styling need to be done to compete with the likes of BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and Audi.

The entire Caddy line is awesome

*giggles*

Chevy is an economy line always has been as far as cars go, hard to fond a comparison abroad.

Hard to find a comprison abroad? Are you kidding? Ever heard of Toyota? Honda?

[Edited 2006-04-21 21:33:55]
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
There was no need for GM to kill these cars in 2002.

As an owner of a 79 Z28 and a 2000 T/A I must comment on this. The reason that they discintinued (temporarily) the F-body is the fact thay would not be able to meet the next wave of safety standard hikes. Side impact protection is just not possible without a re-design, and Ponitac is only allowed one V-8 muscle car and they for some stupid reason wanted that damn GTO.

But, the Camaro will be back, and it looks fantastic. Corvette engine as usual, but a little retro, but no too much. Looks like a morph of a 69 SS and an 85 IROC. The best part is the interior actually, unbelievably cool.
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Superfly
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 18):
Driven and STS lately? CTS? DTS? What about the other 20 cars they make?

Hey those are all great cars but they should have been Oldsmobiles. They just aren't in the same league as Jaguar, Mercedes S-class or BMW 7-series as Flight152 noted. Cadillac used to be the luxury standard of the world. Now Cadillac is chasing after the entry level luxury imports.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 22):
Ponitac is only allowed one V-8 muscle car

...and why is that?
That is a problem.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 22):
But, the Camaro will be back, and it looks fantastic

I have my doubts. I am sure the Camaro name will be back, but I seriously doubt it will be anything like the Camaros we all love from the past. I won't believe it until I see it.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 18):
The entire Caddy line is awesome

Are you kidding? I like the current Lincoln line up much better. As much as I love American luxury sedans, Cadillac is an embarassment. I've never seen so much plastic on a $50,000 car. Why is the most elite Cadillac sedan (DTS) on a front-drive platform?
The last Cadillac ever build IMHO was the 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
Now that was a sweet luxury sedan. You cannot hear anything oustside driving those things. It's the closest one can get to piloting a 747-400 without a pilots license. Big grin

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 18):
thier trucks are on par with all the others and thier SUVs are superior

..and Cadillac has no business putting there names on trucks. Same for Lincoln, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity and Acura. I can't wait for the luxury SUV market to just die! That is the dumbest combo I've ever seen. Trucks aren't supposed to be luxurious.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 17):
In this investment of Ford,for others,make no mistake.It's very high risk.

ok-
I lost at close.Bought 7.38,close 7.33. lost 10.00.But what was important
that it was a positive loss in predicted the stocked bottom out.
Monday should be a gain day, if all stars are in alignment.

 pray   pray   pray   pray   pray   pray   pray 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
I have my doubts. I am sure the Camaro name will be back, but I seriously doubt it will be anything like the Camaros we all love from the past. I won't believe it until I see it.

Dude, check this out

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/

Prepare to be impressed.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
...and why is that?
That is a problem.

To maintain thier epa mpg minimum

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Hey those are all great cars but they should have been Oldsmobiles.

Yep, sad. As for the rest, not sure I completely agree. My wife is warrantee administrator for a large BMW dealer, and they are not as good as thier reputation, trust me.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:01 am

I need to quit my aviation studies and join GM's SS department. I would show those bastards how to properly equip a Chevrolet or Pontiac...christ.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
..and Cadillac has no business putting there names on trucks. Same for Lincoln, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity and Acura. I can't wait for the luxury SUV market to just die! That is the dumbest combo I've ever seen. Trucks aren't supposed to be luxurious.

Yar! You are correct. Dumbest crap ever.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 21):
Hard to find a comprison abroad? Are you kidding? Ever heard of Toyota? Honda?

Let me rent you a Toyota Yaris 1.0L...  Wink

Will somebody bring this back:

So I can upgrade from a 1996.
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 26):
Yar! You are correct. Dumbest crap ever.

Yes and no, on priciple it sucks, but the true SUV is the most profitable vehicle they make. Something like twice the average profit of all other vehicles. And some people wont buy a Tahoe but will buy an Escalade. Go figure.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:15 am

DeltaDC9:
Oh Jesus!
Chevrolet is slapping the 'SS' emblem on a Cobalt, Malibu and front-drive Impala/Monte Carlo?
Give me a break!
I won't believe that Camaro until I see it in showrooms and on the streets. GM likes to make big announcments all the time.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 25):
My wife is warrantee administrator for a large BMW dealer, and they are not as good as thier reputation, trust me.

I agree. German cars are way over-hyped, over-engineered and over-priced. Keep in mind, I am a loyal American car buyer and I hate to see GM and Ford in there current crisis.


What I meant by the current line being Oldsmobiles is that these fine cars are not in the super-luxury market. They are performance sedans and don't have the plush floaty ride that you get with the full-sized luxury sedans. Oldsmobile had traditionaly been the experimental division and near-luxury division of GM.
Again, Cadillac should be competing against the top of the line imports, not the entry level models.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Oh Jesus!
Chevrolet is slapping the 'SS' emblem on a Cobalt, Malibu and front-drive Impala/Monte Carlo?

Just like Ford puts SVT on anything with a shiny rim. Don't get me started.

But, admit it, that Camaro is hot. They are talking 2009. Which means Summer 2008.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
What I meant by the current line being Oldsmobiles is that these fine cars are not in the super-luxury market.

Im with ya, my mom has had an 88 or 98 since the 60's. She is hanging on to her 92 98 Regency because there just isnt anything comparable and its still perfect.

Remember the 455 Rocket? What an engine. When Olds lost the rocket embem, I knew it was over.

By the way, my GRANDMOTHER drove a 67 Malibu SS in the 70's and a 72 V-8 Dart in the 80's. That Dart beat my 79 Z-28 in a drag race. No wonder I'm hooked on Muscle cars.
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:26 am

Let me rent you a Toyota Yaris 1.0L...

I never said I would want one Peter.. lol

My wife is warrantee administrator for a large BMW dealer, and they are not as good as thier reputation, trust me.

Until you have had a chance to drive one, or better yet own one, your opinion doesn't mean very much.
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 30):
Until you have had a chance to drive one, or better yet own one, your opinion doesn't mean very much.

Whatever, you know what happens when you ass ume.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 30):
I never said I would want one Peter.. lol

What about a Toyota Corolla Verso 1.6 VVT-i with 110hp, or a Honda City 1.4L 83hp?

I'm trying to give you some options on what Honda and Toyota sell outside of here. Call me crazy but I would rather drive a Cobalt.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 29):
Just like Ford puts SVT on anything with a shiny rim. Don't get me started.

In defense of Ford, which I dont particularly like myself at this moment...I think the SVT badge has been taken care of better than the Chevy SS brand. The only SVT vehicles that ever came out as far as I can remember were the: SVT Lightning, SVT Contour, SVT Mustang Cobra, SVT Focus.
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
German cars are way over-hyped, over-engineered and over-priced

I own a German designed (but Belgian built) GM car and I beg to differ.

Can't see what peoples issues with GM are. I've only ever owned GM cars, yes both were Holdens, but one was built in Australia and one was built in Belgium. Perhaps these quality issues are isolated to North America.
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 12):
Again, NWA742 speaks truth but take it easy dude!

I'm sorry but it just drives me nuts when someone spouts on about something that they know absolutely nothing about.

Seems really typical of the GM haters.



-NWA742
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 29):
Remember the 455 Rocket? What an engine. When Olds lost the rocket embem, I knew it was over.

What's that in liters?
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:59 pm

never mind, 7.5 liters  Wow!
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 13):
The loss was 1.2 billion for the qtr.It was the second largest
reported loss since the company lost 5 billion in a 4th qtr 2001.

Read carefully.

Ford Motor Company actually earned $460 million from continuing operations. On top of that came a $1.7 billion restructuring charge, bringing the net loss for the period to $1.2 billion or so.
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 26):

(Refering to the Impala SS/Caprice) Will somebody bring this back:

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Dodge Police Cars

They have. It's called the Dodge Charger... Gallatin TN police Department even has a few Black and White Versions... I thought the 94-96 Caprice 9C1's were the bomb, until I saw the new Dodges...

They also do Magnum Wagon flavor...

BAD!!!


Oh.. funny thing.. 99.9% of the people here blame bad cars from GM as the problem.

99.9% of the people here couldn't be so wrong.

THE reason why GM is losing money is the horrendous agreements they made with the Unions back in the 70's when times were high. Today, they are paying full rides to thousands of retired employees, and just simply can't compete. Go look at the fact's and figures... GM's problem is UNION CONTRACTS. Ford also lost money this quarter, but that wasn't, again, because of bad cars or poor sales, it was because of restructuring old labor issues to correct the problem.
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 38):
They have. It's called the Dodge Charger... Gallatin TN police Department even has a few Black and White Versions... I thought the 94-96 Caprice 9C1's were the bomb, until I saw the new Dodges...

Give me a break, the Charger is a piece of crap next to my car when it comes to performance and power, nowhere near classic and nowhere near the sound of that magnificent exhaust. My SS runs the 1/4 mile more than a whole second faster than a 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8 at a fraction of the price. That 6.1L Hemi is nice but it outputs less horse than my 5.7L, and give me an LT1 over a Hemi any day.

It hurts my side when I laugh that a 2006 BMW M6 is slower than a 1996 Chevrolet. You have to do what you have to do I guess.

Let me know when you find a RWD V8 (or any vehicle for that matter of fact) that can run a quarter in 11.5s and its under 30k (hell even 40-60k)
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 38):
Oh.. funny thing.. 99.9% of the people here blame bad cars from GM as the problem.

99.9% of the people here couldn't be so wrong.

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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):

Give me a break, the Charger is a piece of crap next to my car when it comes to performance and power, nowhere near classic and nowhere near the sound of that magnificent exhaust.

Oh really???

Let's look at the 1996 and 2006 Michigan State Police Departments Testing results... you know, the Bible when it comes to Police car testing....

1996 5.7 Caprice, 2006 5.7 Charger
0-20 1.80 sec, 1.58 sec
0-30 2.97 sec, 2.56 sec
0-40 4.27 sec, 3.57 sec
0-50 5.90 sec, 5.01 sec
0-60 8.02 sec, 6.55 sec
0-70 10.32 sec, 8.33 sec
0-80 13.10 sec, 10.84 sec
0-90 16.91 sec, 13.33 sec
0-100 21.47 sec, 16.24 sec

TOP SPEED
139, 150


Want Proof?

1996 Testing:

http://www.nlectc.org/pdffiles/96patrol.pdf

2006 Testing:

http://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetc...gan_state_test_results_2006_my.pdf


Those numbers are provided by the Michigan State Police.

Kinda makes your Impala look slow, huh?
I'm not knocking the GM's. I used to own a 95 9C1 new out of the box.. but the Charger kicks it's pants off...
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 37):
Ford Motor Company actually earned $460 million from continuing operations. On top of that came a $1.7 billion restructuring charge, bringing the net loss for the period to $1.2 billion or so.

Yes,I know that.They are(F) doing write-offs right now.So is RadioShack(RSH) by closing stores and management shake ups.But investors take this as a negative and the stock nose dives.That's why some shares might be bargins.

That's why I invested in Ford today of what I believe,is positive news, and
after the major sell off today, let the stock settle,but bought only 200s long,
at a minimum risk.
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:40 pm

GuitrThree,

LOT's Impala isn't exactly stock, my friend. A stock new Charger with a Hemi wouldn't stand a chance.




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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 43):
LOT's Impala isn't exactly stock, my friend. A stock new Charger with a Hemi wouldn't stand a chance.

And with enough money, I could build a Yugo that would beat the crap out of his Impala too...

Lot asked for a car that was built like the mid 90's Caprice. The Dodge Charger is the closest thing to it... Not only close, but it beats it hands down "new" out of the box...

I guess if he wants to compare a stock Charger to his built Impala, well, then fine. Just give the Mopar gang a few years (umm, what, 10?) and well see which ones are faster after everyone gets done doing the mod's....
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 44):
Lot asked for a car that was built like the mid 90's Caprice. The Dodge Charger is the closest thing to it

Eh, the new Dodge Charger is the closest thing built to a Magnum. It is a Magnum with a trunk and a slightly different front end.

I don't see how it relates to the mid-90s Caprice and Impalas. RWD, V8, and?



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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 41):
Oh really???

Let's look at the 1996 and 2006 Michigan State Police Departments Testing results... you know, the Bible when it comes to Police car testing....

1996 5.7 Caprice, 2006 5.7 Charger
0-20 1.80 sec, 1.58 sec
0-30 2.97 sec, 2.56 sec
0-40 4.27 sec, 3.57 sec
0-50 5.90 sec, 5.01 sec
0-60 8.02 sec, 6.55 sec
0-70 10.32 sec, 8.33 sec
0-80 13.10 sec, 10.84 sec
0-90 16.91 sec, 13.33 sec
0-100 21.47 sec, 16.24 sec

TOP SPEED
139, 150


Want Proof?

1996 Testing:

http://www.nlectc.org/pdffiles/96patrol.pdf

2006 Testing:

http://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetc...gan_state_test_results_2006_my.pdf


Those numbers are provided by the Michigan State Police.

Kinda makes your Impala look slow, huh?
I'm not knocking the GM's. I used to own a 95 9C1 new out of the box.. but the Charger kicks it's pants off...

Oh man. Why must you assume.

Mate, im going to throw out 1 word at you plus 1 sentence: Lingenfelter, + furtherly re-done engine controls, tires and automatic transmission by Polish and Croatian mechanics in the great city of Chicago.

I must say in defense that I cant consistently run middle 11s only when on racing fuel and at a track. Otherwise, the outlook runs more like high 11s/low low 12s in most situations.

The only car that can actually run 11.5 consistently and everytime that I have seen with the LT1 is a STOCK 1996 Lingenfelter Corvette, and this is obviously because of weight issues (and going for $90k, and 600hp hehe)
 
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 45):
I don't see how it relates to the mid-90s Caprice and Impalas. RWD, V8, and?

Yea.. I guess you're right..

The Dodge has things the Caprice/Impala never had:

Leveling Suspension
Displacement on Demand
Electronic Stability Program
5 Speed Transmission
Short/long arm Front Suspension
Independent five-link rear Suspension
18" Tires/Wheels
4 wheel ABS w/all-speed traction control
amoung others...

And it will still kick the hell out of a stock Caprice/Impala SS...

You are right. While the mid 90 B-Body GM's were just remakes of the 70's models, the Dodge is a much better car...
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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:14 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 47):
And it will still kick the hell out of a stock Caprice/Impala SS...

You are right. While the mid 90 B-Body GM's were just remakes of the 70's models, the Dodge is a much better car...

Well, you are comparing two performance vehicles -- 10 years apart.

A new Impala SS or GP GTP with the 5.3L V8 would be very close to a Hemi Charger in terms of performace.




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RE: GM Looses $353M 1Q

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 46):
Mate, im going to throw out 1 word at you plus 1 sentence: Lingenfelter, + furtherlyrnre-done engine controls, tires and automatic transmission by Polish andrnCroatian mechanics in the great city of Chicago.

Again.. I can throw all the money in the world into a Yugo, and eventually, I'll kick the s**t out of your Impala... just because you spent stupid money on a stupid car doesn't make the particular make/model better than another. What I am saying, is out of the box, a Dodge Charger Police car is better than a 1996 Chevrolet Caprice Police car. In this thread, you wished for a car that was much like your Impala. Well, start with the Charger, go to Lingenfelter and pay, yes, stupid money, and you'll have something just as, if not faster, than what you have now...
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