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Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:23 am

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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:46 am

Any Chinese speaker (don't know if that was Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, or what) to help us out on what she was talking about? Could be any number of things, I guess!

While I really don't know what she was talking about, I kind of felt sad watching that.

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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:50 am

"President Bush: Stop him from killing"
"President Bush, stop him from persecuting the Falun Gong."
"Falun Dafa is good"
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:10 am

Ahhh, I was thinking it might have been Falun Gong related. That and anything related to Tibet are the issues I see people protesting around here.

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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting Max999 (Reply 2):

Are you serious or just making it up?

Obviously the woman is pissed off. I wouldn't so much call her a heckler unless what she is saying is something silly about Hu. More of a protester which is fine by me. I suppose they dragged her away because she needed a permit or something to protest. Can't anybody just get up on a soapbox anymore and vent?
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Can't anybody just get up on a soapbox anymore and vent?

Nope, you only have free speech by permit these days. Want to protest? Have to have a permit. Want to speak out? Only in protest permitted zones.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Are you serious or just making it up?

It's from this CNN/AP article. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/20/china.protester.ap/
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:07 am

Good enough for me. Thanks. Interesting how the article says that the Chinese will see this protest as an overall mistrust in US intentions.

Pardon my ignorance but what is so bad about Falun Gong? I know the Communists aren't big fans of religion so I'm sure that has something to do with it but why target these guys?
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Pardon my ignorance but what is so bad about Falun Gong?

Based on the same CNN article, the Chinese government consider it a cult and hence the crack down. Why? I have no idea.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:59 am

Let me phrase this gently: Those of you who may have visited China have seen one (idealized) version of the country; but there is another,which is quite different.

The web site I'm going to pass along often has awkwardly phrased English,but the messages get through just the same. They are emailed comments from the "Underground"-often sent out at great personal risk.

http://www.peacehall.com/news/gb/english/page1.shtml

Falun Gong participates-in this country anyway-in keeping the protest alive.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Max999 (Thread starter):
Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

At least it wasn't a Heckler and Koch Big grin
 
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 10):
At least it wasn't a Heckler and Koch

Especially true given the time it took them to get over to her and the crowd that was around her.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summ

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:09 am

From what I've read about Falun Gong, they do have cult-like tendencies. They have a charismatic leader (Li Hongzhi) who has said that he's their only hope of salvation (something like that). Also, this guy doesn't sit well with me because he's rabidly homophobic.

However, I don't discount the group's claim of Chinese repression. The government oppression they face is probably real, but possibly exaggerated.

[Edited 2006-04-20 23:12:20]
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:34 am

I don't like cults, but I have to say that this whole thing is being treated as an "embarassment" and "breach of security" when it should be seen as a good thing.

The Chinese leadership cracks down on dissidence in its own nation. Here in the U.S. we value the right of free speech. This woman was exercising that right and getting her say in a place where she should be allowed. President Hu is on our soil and needs to recognize this as expression of our values.

I hope they don't press charges against her. That would be a true violation of the First Amendment.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:14 pm

Obviously freedom of speech and right to protest are dead cause police took her away. Glad to see Bush is denying everybody their rights.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:27 pm

I miss the day when the US used to complain about China's lack of human rights. I don't recall us ever actually doing anything about it (Republican or Democrat alike) but at least we had more to talk about than just the valuation of the Yuan.  Sad
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 1):



Any Chinese speaker (don't know if that was Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, or what)

Taiwanese people speak only Mandarin or Cantonese, there is no specific "Taiwanese language" although Mandarin is the official language.

The woman was clearly asking Hu to have his baby, as he is known to be very prolific at creating babies, pirated CD's, and undervalued Yuan reports.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
I miss the day when the US used to complain about China's lack of human rights. I don't recall us ever actually doing anything about it (Republican or Democrat alike)

I went to a huge rally in Chicago after Tienamen Square to protest. I have also boycotted Chinese products as much as possible, although, it is getting harder and harder lately. Keep in mind that I have been boycotting for over 15 years.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:39 pm

I think this person should get an award for bravery and I hope they get all the legal help they need for the charges thay face (if any). The 'People's' Republic has official policy of absolutly no freedom of religion and indeeds kills people whom show any real signs of faith independent of 'official' versions. You also have a wide range of political, social repression, policies that kill maybe 1 million unborn and live baby girls every year and thousands executed or murdered by the authroities every year for political crimes.
I am totally apalled at our official ass kissing from business executives to our President we have been doing to President Hu. I doubt the President - whom claims to be 'Christian' - will make a major point of the egreous and many ranges of human rights abuses China does. Yes, I know the USA is no angel either, but we don't abuse any where near what they do. On Wednesday, A congressional committee had hearings on the human rights abuses in China.
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 18):
I think this person should get an award for bravery

Thanks for having the courage to share that with us !

People all around the world have been "conditioned" to accept Chinese propaganda at face value,and to be scornful of anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to "what everybody knows".

About the only reason the US "got under the sheets" with China in the first place was to encourage friction between the old USSR and China - back in the Nixon era.(We were able to do so because a rogue faction in Russia tried to launch a nuclear attack on Pearl Harbor - and blame the Chinese.Look up the story behind the Glomar Explorer if you have the patience.)

We should have eased out of the Chinese relationship at least a decade ago;but by then,big political contributors had invested heavily in China deals-even though it was common knowledge the "silent partner" in all such deals was the People's Liberation Army.

Unfortunately,things have gone so far, that anyone who brings up the topic of human rights in China (or the subtle encirclement of the West) is accused of paranoia, xenophobia,and tripping little old ladies as they cross the street.

Keep telling the truth,my friend - and permit me to add you to my "respected" list !
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:42 am

PS: Here's something about the "rogue sub" incident - in the form of a book report.

http://mrmeangenesnews.blogspot.com/...r-rogue-by-kenneth-sewell-and.html
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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Can't anybody just get up on a soapbox anymore and vent?

Not when the President of China is involved.

A few years ago President Bush and President Hu addressed a join-sitting of the Australian parliament over two days. On the first day, a Senator from the Australian Greens party stood up during Bush's speech and heckled him along the lines of "We are not your deputy sherrif, we don't want to go to war...." - an attempt was made to eject him from the chamber. A resolution was made after the incident to ban him and another Greens Senator from the House for 24 hours.

Despite this, the address by the Chinese President was almost cancelled because he feared being heckled again. As it turns out, this didn't happen.

It just showed me the difference between American and Chinese politics. While heckles against Bush were greeted with his now famous phrase (in Australia at least) "Hey - I love free speech!", potential heckles against the President of China were almost met with a boycott of the speech to parliament.

Are they and their ideas really that precious?

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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summit

Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:10 am

She's now been charged with "She was charged with seeking to 'intimidate, coerce, frighten or harass Chinese President Hu Jintao, a foreign official in the performance of his duty.'" Quoted from:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060421...p/uschinaprotestcourt_060421235247

So now free speech is a chargeable offense... on public property (the White House)... President Bush should be ashamed. Since when did foreign officials get the right to dictate their policy on our soil?

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RE: Video Of Heckler At Bush/Chinese Pres. Hu Summ

Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:52 am

Here's an interesting op-ed piece on the incident (warning, not suitable for Bush lovers).
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