corey07850
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Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:48 pm

After reading through the thread on current fuel prices, and reading this article on CNN I'm left to wonder why Americans aren't doing anything about the fuel prices???? Riots ensued in France over some student labor laws, protests have been held country-wide over the pending immigration laws, yet the one thing that is ripping off all Americans equally is hardly being challenged...

Gas prices around here have increased about a dollar in the last month and the only thing going on is the media reporting how the gas prices are increasing, and will continue to do so... There are no organizations staging boycotts, there is nobody marching on Washington, simply nothing... Europeans were always able to say "you guys have it great with your cheap fuel," but now that gas is over 4 dollars a gallon in some places we're getting to the same prices...ridiculous...

I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??


BTW here's the article on CNN http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/21/fee.../index.html?section=cnn_topstories
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??

I filled up yesterday to discover a litre of petrol had gone up to 95p. It now costs me £42 to fill the tank. I think in some areas it is over £1 a litre. This is definately an outrage. We should react like the French then maybe something will get done!  Angry
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
Riots ensued in France over some student labor laws, protests have been held country-wide over the pending immigration laws, yet the one thing that is ripping off all Americans equally is hardly being challenged...

Not a very good comparison, IMO. In the examples you cite, the protests are the people voicing their opinions over laws. This not a case of the government forcing itself on the people, so why should people protest in Washington?

I think that if you look hard enough into this problem, you will find that we ARE the problem. Think about this for a second...the only REAL reason why fuel prices are so high right now is that our demand has far outstripped the supply.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 1):
I filled up yesterday to discover a litre of petrol had gone up to 95p. It now costs me �42 to fill the tank. I think in some areas it is over �1 a litre. This is definately an outrage. We should react like the French then maybe something will get done! Angry

So what would you do? Force private companies to reduce prices or invest in more refineries? Or would you demand a reduction in fuel duty, leading to significantly reduced government spending?
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:22 pm

the problem of oil price?
How do you want US oil company to get their retirement bonus if price is low?
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting Teva (Reply 4):
the problem of oil price?
How do you want US oil company to get their retirement bonus if price is low?

Total SA (formerly TotalElfFina) made $14,000,000,000 profits in the 12 months ending March 31st 2005.

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Force private companies to reduce prices or invest in more refineries?

Almost nearly impossible due to the crazy enviromental people. The extreme would rather have fuel prices as high as possible, and will fight like hell to keep it that way. There was a thread over in civ-av about raising taxes for air cargo. Those are the kind of people we are dealing with.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:53 pm

It's hard for me to be outraged when most of my family drives big SUV's. I'll be the first to admit that we did this to ourselves, myself included, I drive tons of places that I could probably walk, I just always seem to grab the keys and go. So you won't be seeing me at any protests, maybe if the price gets high enough I'll have to re-think things.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:29 pm

I am fighting back and being VERY effective in my fight.

How you might ask?

Late last November I traded in my gas-guzzling SUV for a smaller Toyota Matrix 5 spd. My fuel economy has DOUBLED!!! So who cares if gas is up by 20% in price when my MPG has increased by 100%. I'm still way ahead and laugh every time I see a gas station disappear in my rear view mirror and know I didn't have to stop.

So how do I feel with the smaller Matrix. Well it's comfortable to drive, has enough space inside for all my needs and is plain fun to drive. I was away last weend with 3 friends and even with 4 people and luggage in the car we were all comfortable and achieved over 40 MPG with some "spirited" highway cruising.

Now I challenge you. Imagine if everybody could increase their mileage this way and decrease their fuel consumption. How would the oil companies react? Would we still have insufficient refining capacity here in North America? What would the oil companies do with all their excess capacity? Would prices drop as demand drops?

Sure, I don't like the high gas prices any more than the next person, but I've done something about it and now have extra money in my pocket at week's end as well.

It could be worse.

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:53 pm

Outrage over what? The free market system that has made us rich?

As for the intelletually challenged that blame the oil companies and cite their huge profits as evidence I offer thsis gross simplification:

Previously oil was $20 a barrell there were 100 barrells and 100 people wanted to buy those barrells.

Now, at $20 there are 400 people that want to buy those 100 barrells. The price rises to $40. There are 200 people who want to buy those 100 barrells. The price rises to $60. There are now 100 people who want to buy those 100 barrells at this price. The markets clears.

The oil companies are still selling the same ammount of oil. It's just the demand is higher, hence a higher price and bigger profits. They haven't "cheated" anyone. If they lowered the price demand would exceed supply.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:25 pm

Maybe because when looking at the big picture I realize it's still cheaper to buy a gallon of fuel, which requires a lot of dangerous manpower to get to me, than a gallon of milk or an 8 oz latte at Starbucks.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:37 pm

High gas prices=cheap SUVs

I'm buying an SUV this summer and I don't have to pay for gas. I feel bad for everyone feeling pinched by these prices, but I couldn't be happier with them!
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting KSYR (Reply 11):
I'm buying an SUV this summer and I don't have to pay for gas. I feel bad for everyone feeling pinched by these prices, but I couldn't be happier with them!

Is "Daddy" going to pay for your gas? It's attitudes such as this that causes that sucking sound as America consumes 25% of the world's oil with only 5% of the population.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting KSYR (Reply 11):
I'm buying an SUV this summer and I don't have to pay for gas. I feel bad for everyone feeling pinched by these prices, but I couldn't be happier with them!

Oh STFU. you are the same age as me and you know what? I pay over 200 a month in gas. Have a $3,000 car loan, pay my $2,700 a year insurance. Pay for my cell phone, my clothes. All while working, going to school and participating in JROTC. And im sure you "feel bad"  sarcastic  for everyone. BULLSHIT. you are just like every other spoiled prick at my school who think their better then everone because they get daddys debit card. So until you work a day in your life for everything you have. SHUT YOUR MOUTH. You have NO right to bitch about gas prices until you get off your ass and work for it.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Is "Daddy" going to pay for your gas? It's attitudes such as this that causes that sucking sound as America consumes 25% of the world's oil with only 5% of the population.

Well said! If I had room for you, youd be on my RR list... but Beleive me, you are there.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??

A)

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 7):
I'll be the first to admit that we did this to ourselves, myself included, I drive tons of places that I could probably walk, I just always seem to grab the keys and go.

I somewhat am responsible as I drive a fairly inefficient sedan @ 20 MPG avg

B)

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 9):
Outrage over what? The free market system that has made us rich?

We sent the jobs to India and China, and I know I am not the richer for it, but the fact I contribute to the 'wal mart' economy makes equally as guilty. If 'we' didn't buy their products/services they wouldn't have the money to spend on gas and no one can debate that (I think).

C) After taking it up the ass for the past umpteen years of inept leadership; what's a few extra bucks at the pump? BOHICA, par for the American course.

D)Let's not forget anyone under 30 is so disenfranchised with the political process at this point in time the only thing they care about is getting money to pay for a cellphone and an IP address. No matter how hard Limbaugh and Stewart scream; NOTHING else matters so long as they can download their MP3's and blog to myspace.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
You have NO right to bitch about gas prices until you get off your ass and work for it.

I'm not bitching about gas prices. If you read my post, you would see that personally I am thrilled that they are this high. Am I a selfish prick? When it comes to gas prices, yes. Do I care if someone from BDL thinks less of me for it? Not a chance.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Is "Daddy" going to pay for your gas? It's attitudes such as this that causes that sucking sound as America consumes 25% of the world's oil with only 5% of the population.

I don't care how much oil America consumes. Politicians and consultants get paid to worry about that so people like me and you don't have to. I'm all for reducing our dependence on oil, but until that happens I'm not going to waste my time getting all bent out of shape over it.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
Oh STFU. you are the same age as me and you know what? I pay over 200 a month in gas. Have a $3,000 car loan, pay my $2,700 a year insurance. Pay for my cell phone, my clothes. All while working, going to school and participating in JROTC.

Good for you. I'm sure that you will have a much easier transition to the real world than I will.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
And im sure you "feel bad" for everyone.

I actually do feel for those of you that have to deal with increasing gas prices. Just like I feel bad for people who get in car accidents or have their homes burn down. The fact that I am not experiencing the hardship posed by gas firsthand does not prevent me from being sympathetic towards those that are.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
you are just like every other spoiled prick at my school who think their better then everone because they get daddys debit card.

I don't think I am better than everybody else. Rather, I feel fortunate that I don't have to pay for my own gas. That doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else; it is simply a fact of life. I get free gas, you get to go to JROTC. Does that make either one of us better than the other? Not in my opinion.


Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
So until you work a day in your life for everything you have. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

First of all, my this is an internet forum, not a telephone line. My mouth is only open when I fall asleep reading threads about Northwest's DC-9 replacements or about how much better/worse the 737 is when compared to the A32X.

Second, I work for a lot of things. I work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church. And, starting soon, I'll be working at a grocery store. My car payment? Half of that will be coming out of my paycheck. My spending money? I haven't had any in months. Any cash my parents used to give me now goes to pay for my tuition. It just so happens that gas is one of the few things that I am fortunate enough not to have to work for.

Finally,

$2,700 a year in car insurance? That sucks. Down here its only about $1,200 or so, and I thought that we had it bad.

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
So what would you do? Force private companies to reduce prices or invest in more refineries? Or would you demand a reduction in fuel duty, leading to significantly reduced government spending?

I can't speak for Great Britain, but in the United States, over half of the national budget is devoted to "defense". If we cut back on our spending in that area, we could more than afford to roll back fuel taxes. Of course, that might be a bad thing as it would serve as further motive for idiots to keep driving their mega-SUVs.

IMO, Canada has a bright economic future to look forward to because of all the oil locked up in tar sands. Maybe I should think about moving back... biggrin 

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Half of that will be coming out of my paycheck.

Boo hoo. I pay about 80 a WEEK just for my car loan. plus another 70 for insurance. PLus 40 for gas. Gee. lets do some math boys and girls. Nevermind, I still pay more then KSYR.... and probably always will because mommy and daddy spoils the shit out of him.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
My spending money? I haven't had any in months.

Heh. whats spending money? dont think i've heard of that since, oh, IDK, may, june of '05....

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Do I care if someone from BDL thinks less of me for it?

I honestly dont care if you do, but I still think you're spoiled.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
D)Let's not forget anyone under 30 is so disenfranchised with the political process at this point in time the only thing they care about is getting money to pay for a cellphone and an IP address. No matter how hard Limbaugh and Stewart scream; NOTHING else matters so long as they can download their MP3's and blog to myspace.

Actually, no. Im active in our nations politics and consider myself fortunate that in 2008 I will be able to vote out inept leadership and I care more about making money to be able to pay my bills and see the world some more.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
get free gas,

Ya, and with your POS gas guzzling SUV mummy and daddy will be forking out 100 bucks a week. I cant wait to see how long that lasts and then you come on here bitching and moaning that you cant afford gas for it and then I get to tell you, I told you so.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
you get to go to JROTC.

Whoa boy. I get to put on a uniform and go to class> for free... in a public school  sarcastic 

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church.

Tell me? Does that add up to 60 hours working two jobs plus school, JROTC and the crap I gotta do at home?
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:14 am

"Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!"

If you want lower prices then maybe you should start consuming a lot less oil. It sure seems simple enough to me. As for me personally, after flying to both Asia and Europe in 2004, I cut all my flying down to a handful of domestic trips in 2005, even though I still really enjoy flying to far off locations. I also cut my road trips down and started carpooling to work in a car that gets 45 MPG. On the weekends I now make one big trip to visit friends, family, and run errands instead of multiple shorter trips all over the place. I'm also considering moving much closer to my job to cut down on my commute time. What exactly are you doing, besides complaining?

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 6):
Almost nearly impossible due to the crazy enviromental people. The extreme would rather have fuel prices as high as possible, and will fight like hell to keep it that way. There was a thread over in civ-av about raising taxes for air cargo. Those are the kind of people we are dealing with.

Here we go again. If you're going to blame environmentalists, then maybe you should first explain why the oil companies who closed down dozens of domestic refineries are not to blame. If you simply follow the money you'll eventually see that a significant portion of the recent rise in the price of gas comes from the oil companies' choice to reduce previous levels of slack in their just-in-time supply chain. Just because conservative Americans hate environmentalists doesn't mean we're to blame for all your ills. I only wish we had the kind of power and influence people like you give us credit for. The sad truth is that environmentalists are little more than Corporate America's whipping boy in today's pro-business America.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Second, I work for a lot of things. I work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church. And, starting soon, I'll be working at a grocery store. My car payment? Half of that will be coming out of my paycheck. My spending money? I haven't had any in months. Any cash my parents used to give me now goes to pay for my tuition. It just so happens that gas is one of the few things that I am fortunate enough not to have to work for.

You work for your grades, parents and church? Someone hold me while I fall over and laugh.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
$2,700 a year in car insurance? That sucks. Down here its only about $1,200 or so, and I thought that we had it bad.

Son, grow up. How the hell do you know what kind of policy/options he covers next to your liability.

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
If you want lower prices then maybe you should start consuming a lot less oil. It sure seems simple enough to me. As for me personally, after flying to both Asia and Europe in 2004

So your saying if we drive less gas prices will go down. Its just magical that thats not the case anywhere ELSE in the world...even with high taxes.

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
I only wish we had the kind of power and influence people like you give us credit for. The sad truth is that environmentalists are little more than Corporate America's whipping boy in today's pro-business America.

Thank god, otherwise we would have missed something called the Industrial Revolution 150 years ago.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
$2,700 a year insurance

Holy shit! I pay $900 a year (with $0 deductable comprehensive) for a 4x4 SUV!

It's time for our chimpanzee president and Congress to get th ethanol plants going...and fast! Brazil doesn't have to import any fuel anymore. Why can't we do that?

Mark

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
You work for your grades, parents and church? Someone hold me while I fall over and laugh.

 rotfl 

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
Son, grow up. How the hell do you know what kind of policy/options he covers next to your liability.

Thats it. welcome to my RU list LOT767-300er.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 20):
Holy shit! I pay $900 a year (with $0 deductable comprehensive) for a 4x4 SUV!

Well this is Massachusetts. We have the nations highest insurance rates. All I have is collision, property and bodily injury for 50K oh and winshield coverage.... all on a '96 lumina....
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Boo hoo. I pay about 80 a WEEK just for my car loan. plus another 70 for insurance. PLus 40 for gas. Gee. lets do some math boys and girls. Nevermind, I still pay more then KSYR.... and probably always will because mommy and daddy spoils the shit out of him.

I'm not claiming that I have to pay more for things than you. If I did, there would be a serious problem. Rather, I was refuting your claim that I somehow have everything given to me. I still have to work for some things that I want/need.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Heh. whats spending money? dont think i've heard of that since, oh, IDK, may, june of '05....

Seems like we are in the same boat there buddy.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
I honestly dont care if you do, but I still think you're spoiled.

I probably am spoiled. And I am going to continue to enjoy being spoiled until I have to get out into the real world. Why not take things that are given to you while you have the chance?

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Ya, and with your POS gas guzzling SUV mummy and daddy will be forking out 100 bucks a week. I cant wait to see how long that lasts and then you come on here bitching and moaning that you cant afford gas for it and then I get to tell you, I told you so.

I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Whoa boy. I get to put on a uniform and go to class> for free... in a public school

And...? I went to a public school every year until this year. And if my current school had JROTC, I would certainly do it. Fortunately I have been able to experience the military firsthand (after being an Army brat my entire life), and I feel that I have sacrificed enough that I don't feel badly about being spoiled now.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Tell me? Does that add up to 60 hours working two jobs plus school, JROTC and the crap I gotta do at home?

Did I ever claim that it did?

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
You work for your grades, parents and church? Someone hold me while I fall over and laugh.

It doesn't pay, but those are the reasons that until now I haven't been able to get a "real" job.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
Son, grow up. How the hell do you know what kind of policy/options he covers next to your liability.

Just an observation; no need to bite my head off for observing that his insurance seems to be a little steep compared to other policies I have seen.

Reply #20 made the same observation, and I don't see you having a shit fit with AsstChief...

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 22):
Did I ever claim that it did?

IDK. I was asking you a question based on this statement:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Second, I work for a lot of things. I work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church. And, starting soon, I'll be working at a grocery store.



Quoting KSYR (Reply 22):
Just an observation; no need to bite my head off for observing that his insurance seems to be a little steep compared to other policies I have seen.

Read below.....

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 21):
Well this is Massachusetts. We have the nations highest insurance rates. All I have is collision, property and bodily injury for 50K oh and winshield coverage.... all on a '96 lumina....

And let me just say this. That first step off that horse is gonna be a big one. Try not to trip.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:08 am

With Americas constant interest to purchase items at lower costs it has forced them to turn to other countries for manufacturing goods. By doing this, people in these other countries that never had money before are now getting money and a lot of it. We are seeing countries such as China, needing oil to meet their enormous demands due to their surging middle class. What we as Americans dont understand is that we caused this. We can argue bitch fight all we want, but we caused this. Also, you are going to start to see these high oil prices hurt you in other places aside from the gas tank. Things in stores, specifically baby oils and things of that nature will increase in price. As a whole I would definiately have to say that everything will increase in price as shipping costs are going to increase drastically.

I am personally hoping for prices to go up and up and up. Americans will not act unless it gets to a point where it is overly ridiculous. We are seeing these oil companies turning over profits never before even heard of. It is truely ridiculous. We as Americans though will not act until we can simply not afford it. I think we should rebel personally. We should all just stop driving. Even if it is for a day. I know it would be hard to do, but it would hurt the gas companies greatly.

Also, I do not know if any of you have heard of this but a new fuel source has been created from corn. There are commercials running today about it. I learned about it in my AP Environmental Science Class. The problem is though, Americans wont act, unless there is something great that affects them and that just isn't there. It is truely a shame. We as Americans need to take some action, otherwise the price per barrell has nowhere to go but up.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
Here we go again. If you're going to blame environmentalists,

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/ener...losure+of+Bakersfield+oil+refinery
Shell's ability to keep the refinery operating through March 31 may depend on whether it can obtain a modification of a consent decree over air pollution emissions at the facility.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...5/1087244915855.html?from=storylhs
The future of ExxonMobil's oil refinery at Altona is up in the air pending the oil giant's decision on whether to undertake the big capital expenditure needed to meet the Federal Government's 2006 clean fuel standards.

etc, etc.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
Gas prices around here have increased about a dollar in the last month and the only thing going on is the media reporting how the gas prices are increasing, and will continue to do so... There are no organizations staging boycotts, there is nobody marching on Washington, simply nothing...

What do you want to do? Invade Saudi Arabia and Venezuela? How about Iraq, where we are already there? We can just steal the oil and not pay for it.

I have a better idea, although you might find it rather radical. How about USING LESS GAS!!!
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
MO, Canada has a bright economic future to look forward to because of all the oil locked up in tar sands. Maybe I should think about moving back...

Nope, you made the decision to leave and you must stick to it.  Silly

I'm lucky enough not to have to worry about high gas prices since my school/job site is only 5 minutes away and I use my car only for pleasure. Although I wonder what will happen if countries like Canada, Nigeria and Venezuela cut-off oil supply to the US, perhaps it will make them think about how they waist the worlds largest natural resource. Or, most likely, they will just invade us and claim that we have WMD in our igloos.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:48 am

Technically, gas prices where higher in 1979 then they are now, of course adjusted for inflation.

In 1979 we were paying an average of $1.274 a gallon, so we should be paying 3.55!

sources:

http://www.autoclubgroup.com/michigan/autos/fuel_gauge.asp


http://minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/index.cfm


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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 27):
Or, most likely, they will just invade us and claim that we have WMD in our igloos.

note to self: make sure you hide the Plutonium when you get home tonight...


Seriously though, the price of petroleum NEEDS to go up in the US. Why? Because, simply, cheap to extract energy is running out, and costs will go up. As long as Americans (and like wise Canadians, though its less pressing here) want to drive their oversized SUVs around suburbia designed around them, get used to 3,4,5,6+ a gallon at the pumps. Ethanol becomes economic at approx $68 a barrel crude for corn base, $72 for soy and grass base and coal oil based synthetic gasoline costs about $2.80 a gallon to produce (as per figures from South Africa, cost corrected to US/inflation), so allowing for the 75%-90% markup for transport and distribution and profit... 4.50 a gallon. Assuming of course coal yield costs stay about the same.
Of course hard tack extraction (aka tarsands) starts at about $2.50 a gallon produced, Athabaska tar-sands is about $3.05-25 somewhere as i recall... so yea... crunch time.

Now one thing to consider. Current production in the US is gasoline heavy. If production swtiched to 10% more Diesel and lighter fuels, which could be done by changing the refinning process slightly (no equipment change, just timing changes), this could cut the cost of gasoline production. However it would also cut the availability of gasoline, and there in the problem lies.

Also, It is time to FORCE efficiency. It is high time that over consumption vehicles be taxed for it. SUVs like Hummers/Grand Cherokees/etc AND overpowered vehicles, yes like sports cars, without some commercial reason to be used or in rural areas... and even then a lower tax should be imposed, need a surcharge placed on them, not only at purchase but also each and every time they get lisenced/plated/tagged/etc. Yes it's going to be unpopular, but its time the SUV trend stopped. I cannot accept that you NEED an SUV in the city. You do not. If you are scared on the highway, then don't use the flippin highway. Plus EVERY statistic says SUVs are MORE dangerous than cars on the highway. Have a big family... well good for you, you'll fit in a full size car if you fit in an SUV. Unless you're in the contruction industry, landscapping or delivering furniture, you do not need an SUV/Pickup/whatever. Ohhh so you have a Boat/Trailer/whatever that you need to tow, ok fine, pay for that luxury so i dont have to, by paying the surcharge.

Also i think ALTERNATE fuel SUVs might be a good way of allowing some on the road. So use LNG or E95, get a lower tax. Use an electric one, pay none.

ok, rant done, have a nice day!
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:29 am

I think that SUV's should have a 20% gas guzzler tax, like most sports cars have, it will make the fat soccer moms think twice about buying that SUV to transport their fat kids.

/rant.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 22):
Just an observation; no need to bite my head off for observing that his insurance seems to be a little steep compared to other policies I have seen.

How can you even presume that without knowing what policy he has and what car it insures? A liability for a Ford Explorer is different than full coverage for a Ford Mustang GT.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 29):
Seriously though, the price of petroleum NEEDS to go up in the US. Why? Because, simply, cheap to extract energy is running out, and costs will go up. As long as Americans (and like wise Canadians, though its less pressing here) want to drive their oversized SUVs around suburbia designed around them, get used to 3,4,5,6+ a gallon at the pumps. Ethanol becomes economic at approx $68 a barrel crude for corn base, $72 for soy and grass base and coal oil based synthetic gasoline costs about $2.80 a gallon to produce (as per figures from South Africa, cost corrected to US/inflation), so allowing for the 75%-90% markup for transport and distribution and profit... 4.50 a gallon. Assuming of course coal yield costs stay about the same.
Of course hard tack extraction (aka tarsands) starts at about $2.50 a gallon produced, Athabaska tar-sands is about $3.05-25 somewhere as i recall... so yea... crunch time.

Now one thing to consider. Current production in the US is gasoline heavy. If production swtiched to 10% more Diesel and lighter fuels, which could be done by changing the refinning process slightly (no equipment change, just timing changes), this could cut the cost of gasoline production. However it would also cut the availability of gasoline, and there in the problem lies.

Also, It is time to FORCE efficiency. It is high time that over consumption vehicles be taxed for it. SUVs like Hummers/Grand Cherokees/etc AND overpowered vehicles, yes like sports cars, without some commercial reason to be used or in rural areas... and even then a lower tax should be imposed, need a surcharge placed on them, not only at purchase but also each and every time they get lisenced/plated/tagged/etc. Yes it's going to be unpopular, but its time the SUV trend stopped. I cannot accept that you NEED an SUV in the city. You do not. If you are scared on the highway, then don't use the flippin highway. Plus EVERY statistic says SUVs are MORE dangerous than cars on the highway. Have a big family... well good for you, you'll fit in a full size car if you fit in an SUV. Unless you're in the contruction industry, landscapping or delivering furniture, you do not need an SUV/Pickup/whatever. Ohhh so you have a Boat/Trailer/whatever that you need to tow, ok fine, pay for that luxury so i dont have to, by paying the surcharge.

Also i think ALTERNATE fuel SUVs might be a good way of allowing some on the road. So use LNG or E95, get a lower tax. Use an electric one, pay none.

ok, rant done, have a nice day!

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:37 am

Unless citizens en masse start to threaten oil company and government officials, I doubt we'll see any kind of action on price relief. Americans seem in general to be too much like sheep and not given to overt outrage like elsewhere. Since relatively little of the recent gas price hikes is based solely on crude oil price rises, too many other factors are at work and we can assume oil companies are manipulating them for another round of record profits, as we'll see in their next 2 quarterly fiscal earnings reports. We can also be sure the government is largely in collusion with them because they've been getting away with it, on and off, for the last 33 years. While we could use some serious civil disobedience to wake up our officials, I don't see Americans in general doing more than shrugging their shoulders and bitching to themselves as they cough up ever more cash to fill up. Maybe it will take the failure of a bunch of domestic airlines and trucking companies to rally any action from Washington because they don't care about average Joe Citizen. Though world events beyond U.S. control are a big part of this, oil company greed along with accompanying payoffs to the appropriate senators and congressmen is likely almost as significant. The positive part of this mess is that we'll all become more efficient drivers through necessity; much of our obstinate, wasteful overconsumption will disappear along with cheap gas. I do feel for individuals and businesses who'll experience severe financial hardship, largely because those in power won't lift a finger to do the right thing for us, being as usual concerned only for themselves.  mad 
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 26):

What do you want to do? Invade Saudi Arabia and Venezuela? How about Iraq, where we are already there? We can just steal the oil and not pay for it.

No, I'm suggesting people lobby for lower taxes on fuel, or incentives given to oil producing companies to increase their production or allowing them to charge less for oil... In NJ we have no sales tax on clothing, while NY does. The NY government occasionally removes this tax for a week or so to entice buyers to stay in NY... Why can't the government offer something like this?? If the government cut taxes 30% for the summer months on fuel, it would ease the situation.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 26):


I have a better idea, although you might find it rather radical. How about USING LESS GAS!!!

Well since I can't control how much far I have to drive to get to and from work/school I traded in my 2003 Mustang GT convertible for a 4 cylinder, 5-speed Mazda3. I've doubled my gas mileage, yet it still costs me $35 to fill the tiny 12 gallon tank... My wallet hurt last year when I had my mustang, so I can only imagine how it would feel now.

It seems to me that there are so many ways this problem can be solved, but no one seems to be able to do anything about it... Chevy is producing a bunch of cars and trucks capable of running on their E-85 Ethanol "Flex Fuel" yet I've never seen any gas stations offering this, and I imagine the only places it's available is in California somewhere.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 31):
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 21):
Thats it. welcome to my RU list LOT767-300er.

Can i get a cookie?

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 34):
My RR didnt go down yet, so why am I not there yet?

LMAO, ha. How bout now?  Wink

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 31):
Can i get a cookie?

No.  Wink
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 35):
LMAO, ha. How bout now?

I see you...thanks. However, peculiarly my RR only goes up if I switch from the Polish flag to the American or Swedish one....weird.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 31):

Hello super computer gogleplex from the planet Peterflatron.

thats Gnerbobulax you puny earth human!

Anyways, E85 fuels will become more common, it's envitable. Pure petroleum fuel is going the way of leaded gasoline.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 36):
However, peculiarly my RR only goes up if I switch from the Polish flag to the American or Swedish one....weird.

heh, weird... Maybe its a sign  laughing 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 37):
thats Gnerbobulax you puny earth human!

I am sorry Lord Gherbolbobbulax from the planet Gnerbobulax.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 38):
heh, weird... Maybe its a sign

Are you trying to tell me that just because I have a Polish flag there my RR automatically goes down?
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:39 am

Outrage???

Give me a f**king break.

Am I suppose to feel sorry for the soccer mom driving her 15 mpg
SUV because her gas bill is going up.

I grew up in a family of 6, and we managed fine with a 4-door sedan.

If you want to buy that big of a vehicle then take what comes your way.

Who in the hell are we to demand cheap oil? It's not a right given to
us by God.

And who are we suppose to be outraged at ?

China and India for growing their economies ?

How about the regions of the world which are over-populating this
planet? More people means more energy consumed.

How about the auto manufacturers for making engines with
over-the-top horsepower? That cuts into fuel consumption, too.

I'm probably using about a gallon of gas a day; so the price increases
have a minimal affect on me. But guess what, that's the way I planned
it in regargds to the distance from home to work, as well as the type of
vehicle I drive.

Stop blaming others for the choices you made !
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
Are you trying to tell me that just because I have a Polish flag there my RR automatically goes down?

no no no. Just odd that it did that. Maybe johan doesnt like the polish flag for some reason.  Wink ONLY KIDDING.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 33):
No, I'm suggesting people lobby for lower taxes on fuel,

That is the LAST thing that needs to be done. If fuel prices are made to be abnormally low (already the case in the US, compared to the rest of the world, and would be worse if taxes are lowered) then people will not feel the pinch and be pressured into buying more efficient cars.

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 33):
Well since I can't control how much far I have to drive to get to and from work/school I traded in my 2003 Mustang GT convertible for a 4 cylinder, 5-speed Mazda3. I've doubled my gas mileage, yet it still costs me $35 to fill the tiny 12 gallon tank... My wallet hurt last year when I had my mustang, so I can only imagine how it would feel now.

I'm glad you saw the light as far as buying a more efficient car. You CAN control how far you have to commute, however. You can move. If you need to drive more than 20 or 30 minutes to get to work every day, you should think about it. It all comes into the calculation of how much are you willing to spend on transportation to and from your particular job.

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 40):
Stop blaming others for the choices you made !

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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
I don't care how much oil America consumes. Politicians and consultants get paid to worry about that so people like me and you don't have to. I'm all for reducing our dependence on oil, but until that happens I'm not going to waste my time getting all bent out of shape over it.

And therein lies the problem Total APATHY coupled with an "I don't give a fuck about anybody else" ATTITUDE and you have the reason not only for high gas prices, but why Americans are loathed elsewhere in the world.

An abdication of personal responsibility and you can easily see the crux of the problem. Pure selfish arrogance on the part of KSVR.

You can't argue with someone so thick between the ears that it meets in the middle. A sad commentary on social responsibility.
 
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??

Why should there be, we are all guilty, it's not like people are suddenly going to stop driving in protest, we still need the stuff. Those who feel the crunch are those who are on fixed incomes or are seasonal or unemployed workers. Granted that has got to be half the workforce -- who's complaining?

Gasoline may got to $5/gal before anyone makes enough noise -- then what? Oil companies are not hording supplies. This is business, pay up or shut up.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 44):
Gasoline may got to $5/gal before anyone makes enough noise -- then what?

People are gonna get tired of paying out the ass at the pump. And fight for a change. Then you wont see EOM making the billions they do...

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 44):
This is business, pay up or shut up

Prety soon, people WONT, they will get tired of being milked for every dollar they have to get gas and then you will see a change.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 45):
People are gonna get tired of paying out the ass at the pump. And fight for a change. Then you wont see EOM making the billions they do...

Who's stopping them now from using alternate forms of transportation?

Right now it's a seller's market in the oil business, and nothing indicates
that's going to change anytime soon.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 46):
Who's stopping them now from using alternate forms of transportation?

Well, speaking personally. I cant get a school bus as Im out of district and use School Choice, and for work. No public trasport from my hometown to my job at BDL.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 47):
Well, speaking personally. I cant get a school bus as Im out of district and use School Choice, and for work. No public trasport from my hometown to my job at BDL.

And Exxon-Mobil is responsible for that in what way ?

Or is BDL the only source for employment in your area ?

And remember, gas prices were higher right after Katrina than they
are right now, so this should not come as sticker-shock to anyone.
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RE: Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!

Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 48):
And Exxon-Mobil is responsible for that in what way ?

Diddnt say it was.

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 48):
Or is BDL the only source for employment in your area ?

No, but my point is, why should I take public trasport or have to switch jobs? My car is rather fuel efficient. Im suprised as its a V6, but I am angry at the fact at this sudden spike for which I cant see a reason for. Now I know they say that its due to "incresed demand" but where does that come from? SUV sales are down. Hybrids up. Airlines are CUTTING more then they are ADDING flights, the refineries are coming back up online. Seems to me prices should be going DOWN...
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