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Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:28 pm

http://www.memritv.org/

The third video from the top, number 1121. This is the leader of a country speaking to a crowd. Not a small minority, but a large crowd of Muslims. I do not see outrage from the crowd, nor from other Muslims around the world. I think that this sort of rhetoric poses a greater danger to Islam than some cartoons...so where is the moderate majority when a fool like this speaks?

(Please try to avoid turning this into a theology debate. It's an argument that's similar to saying my daddy is stronger than yours, or my ..... is bigger than yours. All books can be manipulated or changed and the koran is not an exception)
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:32 pm

I think everyone's favourite Libyan is just flapping his gums to get a bit more airtime. After all Berlusconi and Ahmedinijad have been getting most of it lately.

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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:35 pm

Well we all know how unstable he is and how much he lacks credibility. It's not this nut that bothers me. It's the fact that thousands and thousands of poor people are listening to him and believing his every word. This is a shame to Islam - not some cartoons. The cartoons were made based on stereotypes...like the ones perpetuated by the colonel himself.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 1):
I think everyone's favourite Libyan is just flapping his gums to get a bit more airtime.

What would the worlds response be if Bush had said 'everybody should become a Christian'? Would you be outraged or simply say that he "is just flapping his gums to get a bit more airtime".
 
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Wed May 03, 2006 1:42 pm

AndesSMF,

I think we all know that the tree-hugging, know-it-all, western, peace activists would have been complaining and threatening lawsuits, holding demonstrations, criticizing Christianity, etc ...
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:43 pm

What an idiot. Who the Hell is he to speak? You wont see me changing my religion to Islam. I would also go off if President Bush said everyone needed to be a Christian. Secularism is the way to go.

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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting Marco (Thread starter):
I do not see outrage from the crowd, nor from other Muslims around the world.

Why should they be outraged? Don't Muslims want more folks to be Muslim? Don't Christians want there to be more Christians? While you say don't turn this into a "My religion is better than yours" it is hard to avoid in this instance. Whether or not he is a diligent practicing Muslim (probably doubtful but I have no proof) he is doing what all politicians do everywhere...playing to the crowd and saying what they want to hear. There will always be problems when religion and government mix and cloud each others goals.
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Wed May 03, 2006 1:50 pm

Qaddaffi's son must be on holiday again. Daddy's been let out of his cage again.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
What would the worlds response be if Bush had said 'everybody should become a Christian'? Would you be outraged or simply say that he "is just flapping his gums to get a bit more airtime".

Bush is the most powerful man on earth, conversely Qaddafi has been imasculated quite badly over time and is powerless right now. So different standards must be applied to the two.

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Wed May 03, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 8):
Bush is the most powerful man on earth, conversely Qaddafi has been imasculated quite badly over time and is powerless right now. So different standards must be applied to the two.

Sort of. While the Colonel (why doesn't he promote himself to General?) may be less of a threat himself he can rile up the Muslim world with his statements and cause issues that way.
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Wed May 03, 2006 1:54 pm

Why should they be outraged? Don't Muslims want more folks to be Muslim? Don't Christians want there to be more Christians? While you say don't turn this into a "My religion is better than yours" it is hard to avoid in this instance.

Not it's not. It's not hard. A president of an Islamic country should not go on TV addressing thousands of people and calling for the Islamization of Europe and the States. It is not right to insult someone else's religion. It is not right to claim "Christian women are naked". There's a difference between sharing your religion with others (which I'm not particularly fond of anyway) and between inciting hatred in a generation of Muslims that is already fragile.

(Meanwhile embassies were burnt down in Syria and Lebanon because cartoons were drawn that "defamed" Mohammad. Isn't this a bigger defamation to their religion?)

Whether or not he is a diligent practicing Muslim (probably doubtful but I have no proof) he is doing what all politicians do everywhere...playing to the crowd and saying what they want to hear. There will always be problems when religion and government mix and cloud each others goals.

All of these reasons are excuses and unless we address the crises of the Islamic world rather than sugar coating everything in order to sound politically correct, or open minded or culturally sensitive, the problem will get worse.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
All of these reasons are excuses and unless we address the crises of the Islamic world rather than sugar coating everything in order to sound politically correct, or open minded or culturally sensitive, the problem will get worse.

If there is one thing I'm not it is being politically correct. I'm just saying that he is being a politician to the core. There are many issues in the Muslim world, some caused by the West, some caused by them, but he is in the role of a leader of a Muslim country who don't have the same rules as we do.

Now that I have read the transcript I can see where you are coming from as he does take jabs at Christianity and the West. But to play Devil's Advocate here...what about the Pope in his role as the leader of Vatican City and the entire Catholic Church saying that Christianity is the one true way and religion? At the heart of it they are two leaders promoting their religion over another because that is their view of the "right way." Unfortunately, the Ppope is goign to incite a riot with his words while the good Colonel can do exactly that.

While I am a Christian I have a lot of problems when government and religion mix. It is one thing to let your ideals from your religion shape your policy decisions it is another thing to discredit others who don't practice your religion and attack their politics and ideals.
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Wed May 03, 2006 2:09 pm

what about the Pope in his role as the leader of Vatican City and the entire Catholic Church saying that Christianity is the one true way and religion? At the heart of it they are two leaders promoting their religion over another because that is their view of the "right way." Unfortunately, the Ppope is goign to incite a riot with his words while the good Colonel can do exactly that.

Gee what a comparison. A symbolic figure of a tiny "country" who has always tried to promote dialogue between different religion and a fanatic Qaddafi whose opinions will be listened to by 300 million Arabs ...
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 12):
A symbolic figure of a tiny "country" who has always tried to promote dialogue between different religion

I would hardly consider the Pope a symbolic figure as he is the leader of the country and global church. Of course it isn't a great comparison but it is one of two countries that are guided by religion. It's what came to mind first. I also wouldn't consider the Catholic Church the best example of promoting dialogue between religions. Under JP II yes, under many Popes before him...not so much.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 2):
Well we all know how unstable he is and how much he lacks credibility.

Maybe, but he must have his merits.

Quoting Marco (Thread starter):
so where is the moderate majority when a fool like this speaks?

Let's see you outwit assassins, run a country for 30 years, then you can call Qaddafi a fool. He's even got full diplomatic relations with everybody. George Bush talks about Jesus all the time; this is no different. I would not be surprised if Google hires Quaddafi because he's so smart.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic

Wed May 03, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 2):
It's not this nut that bothers me. It's the fact that thousands and thousands of poor people are listening to him and believing his every word. This is a shame to Islam

In this case it's not Islam's fault, its the regime's fault. During the cold war, the communist dictators spread propaganda and thousands of poor people believed it, and that had nothing to do with Islam. The situation here is the same, substitute Marxism-Leninism for Islam and I am sure Qaddaffi's speech would sound the same as one given by Stalin. I don't think the people are listening because they are Muslim, but rather because they live under a dictatorship.
 
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Wed May 03, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Marco (Thread starter):
I think that this sort of rhetoric poses a greater danger to Islam than some cartoons...so where is the moderate majority when a fool like this speaks?

I guess they're ignoring him, much in the same way moderate and liberal Christians ignore the Pope, Pat Robertson and other Christian leaders when they too spout nonsense. It's because they aren't associated with it in any way.

In any case, why should a Lebanese Muslim couple sipping wine and eating mezze at a cafe in Beirut have to be saddled with the burden of Gaddafi's rants? Or a Pakistani female pilot? Or some Turkish dude taking a siesta after a big meal? Or anyone else for that matter?

If you're so obsessed with what moderate Muslims are doing as Gaddafi (or is it Qaddafi? Or Ghadaffi?) foams at the mouth, then you should run a survey instead of going on A.net and indulging in your own childish rant.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 2:52 pm

any case, why should a Lebanese Muslim couple sipping wine and eating mezze at a cafe in Beirut have to be saddled with the burden of Gaddafi's rants? Or a Pakistani female pilot? Or some Turkish dude taking a siesta after a big meal? Or anyone else for that matter?

Yet so many burnt down embassies when cartoons were drawn ...

If you're so obsessed with what moderate Muslims are doing as Gaddafi (or is it Qaddafi? Or Ghadaffi?) foams at the mouth, then you should run a survey instead of going on A.net and indulging in your own childish rant.

Back to the topic please (not very fond of your "sarcasm")
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Wed May 03, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 16):
I guess they're ignoring him, much in the same way moderate and liberal Christians ignore the Pope, Pat Robertson and other Christian leaders when they too spout nonsense

Obviously somebody doesnt read the news. When some of the above mentioned people go on a rant, they are not ignored. Pat Robertson has been put down many a times, and so have other Christian leaders.
 
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Wed May 03, 2006 2:54 pm

Let's see you outwit assassins, run a country for 30 years, then you can call Qaddafi a fool. He's even got full diplomatic relations with everybody. George Bush talks about Jesus all the time; this is no different. I would not be surprised if Google hires Quaddafi because he's so smart

Starving your people and running military dictatorship are certainly very noble things.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 2:57 pm

BBC, CNN, etc make sure that Pat Robertson's (and other fanatics) comments are aired, displayed, or whatever. People always reply, moderates always criticize.
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Wed May 03, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 17):
any case, why should a Lebanese Muslim couple sipping wine and eating mezze at a cafe in Beirut have to be saddled with the burden of Gaddafi's rants? Or a Pakistani female pilot? Or some Turkish dude taking a siesta after a big meal? Or anyone else for that matter?

Yet so many burnt down embassies when cartoons were drawn ...

By fundamentalist fanatics following fundamentalist religious leaders with way too much power in largely failed states (Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...).

By and large the majority of Muslims were both hurt by the cartoons and embarassed by the senseless violence of their fundamentalist brethren.

If you burden the hundreds of millions of Muslims (150 million in Indonesia, 120 million in India, 110 million in Pakistan, 1 million in Dubai) with the fanaticism of the tens of thousands of fundies and Muttawas and Wahabis who were largely responsible for burning down embassies, then you should also blame every member of every ethnic/religious/racial/political group for the extremism of a noisy minority.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 18):
Obviously somebody doesnt read the news. When some of the above mentioned people go on a rant, they are not ignored. Pat Robertson has been put down many a times, and so have other Christian leaders.

Yes. By many in the United States who see Pat Robertson as the dangerous demagogue he is and because of the danger he poses to the US. You don't expect to see British Christians or Indian Christians or Bhutanese Christians for that matter saddled with the burden of having to dissociate from him to defend Christianity. He's a non-entity to them.

But can you possibly expect any Libyan who wants to see the dawn of tomorrow to step up to the plate and say that Gaddafi is a raving lunatic? Hell, no. If he/she did, they'd be drawn and quartered. So lets accept the political limitations imposed on free speech in Gaddafi's dictatorship. But at the same time, why should some Egyptian doctor or an Iranian socialite too busy trying to find contraband Chanel clothes in Teheran have to go on the defensive for Gaddafi's rubbish? Moreover most moderate Muslims in Islamic theocratic states are too terrified of their own fundamentalist governments to open their mouths lest they end up swimming with the sharks.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):

Agreed, but a silent majority doesnt do any good.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
then you should also blame every member of every ethnic/religious/racial/political group for the extremism of a noisy minority.

I would blame them. Using the Nazis as an example, there were really a handful of people coordinating their atrocities, while the majority of Germans stood as the silent majority.
 
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Wed May 03, 2006 4:07 pm

Face it Libya is a rough state, just remember the Bulgarian nurses and the Palestinian doctor. No Libyan where responsible for this, pigs do also fly....
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Wed May 03, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting Marco (Thread starter):
so where is the moderate majority when a fool like this speaks?

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Now, please, tell us whether you indeed are surprised by silly utterances of good old Muammer ? the man who in his anger about Sadat with his revolver, in front of TV, shot the TV-apparatus ? plus many other stories .... still being outraged about him ?
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Wed May 03, 2006 5:00 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 24):

Now, please, tell us whether you indeed are surprised by silly utterances of good old Muammer

I am not surprised, just concerned that I havent seen much about this. But perhaps you are right. I am not certain if Qadafi (misspelled) holds much sway in the Islamic and Arab world lately.
 
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 5:01 pm

Well, he has a point, we should all become muslims... because, you know, we'd all be alot... erh... happier?
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Wed May 03, 2006 5:37 pm

...I could take a second wife...yeah! I could be happier!
 
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 26):
because, you know, we'd all be alot... erh... happier?

You can be "happier" even now, can't you? And you don't even have to marry her. Plus you can keep your drinking habits.
 
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Wed May 03, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
Qaddaffi's son must be on holiday again. Daddy's been let out of his cage again.

 rotfl 

I think he just had one of his strokes again Big grin

Imagine how much Jihad the west had to go on, should we react everytime a Muslim leader og religious figure talked about turining others to Islam or the killings of non-Muslims...

Restraint people... Restraint  Smile

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Wed May 03, 2006 7:18 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 27):
...I could take a second wife...yeah! I could be happier!

Is physical satisfaction your main intention? Why else would you take another wife?  Yeah sure





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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 1):
After all Berlusconi and Ahmedinijad have been getting most of it lately.

not to mention Chaves and Morales....

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 25):
I am not certain if Qadafi (misspelled) holds much sway in the Islamic and Arab world lately.

he's basically marginalised for the past couple of decades....not too many people talk about Qadafi anymore.....
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Wed May 03, 2006 8:03 pm

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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Wed May 03, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
If you burden the hundreds of millions of Muslims (150 million in Indonesia, 120 million in India, 110 million in Pakistan, 1 million in Dubai) with the fanaticism of the tens of thousands of fundies and Muttawas and Wahabis who were largely responsible for burning down embassies, then you should also blame every member of every ethnic/religious/racial/political group for the extremism of a noisy minority.

Well said Jaysit.  thumbsup 


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Wed May 03, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
If you burden the hundreds of millions of Muslims (150 million in Indonesia, 120 million in India, 110 million in Pakistan, 1 million in Dubai) with the fanaticism of the tens of thousands of fundies and Muttawas and Wahabis who were largely responsible for burning down embassies, then you should also blame every member of every ethnic/religious/racial/political group for the extremism of a noisy minority.

By stating the problem Marco has with the fanatics you your self refer to, is not burdening all 1.3 billion Muslims.
If talking about a problem in some Muslim societies or the actions of some Muslims, one is criticized, how is it possible to get a dialogue working?

I know there are many ways of delivering a critique, but I really think that the issue needs to be addressed.

There are sides to Islam that scares me, and even in Indonesia you had a case where two Christian school girls got beheaded on a public road just after school time. Cases like these are not entirely to be blamed on Islam of course, but Islam was the excuse to commit such murders, now shouldn't Muslims do something or say something... Anything?

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Thu May 04, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 28):
Quoting Doona (Reply 26):
because, you know, we'd all be alot... erh... happier?

You can be "happier" even now, can't you? And you don't even have to marry her. Plus you can keep your drinking habits.



Quoting Asbg (Reply 30):
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 27):
...I could take a second wife...yeah! I could be happier!

Is physical satisfaction your main intention? Why else would you take another wife? Yeah sure


I hope you understand that both Doona nd AndesSMF were joking.
 
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Thu May 04, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting TIA (Reply 35):

I hope you understand that both Doona nd AndesSMF were joking.

I was kinda thinking the same thing.  Silly

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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
What would the worlds response be if Bush had said 'everybody should become a Christian'? Would you be outraged or simply say that he "is just flapping his gums to get a bit more airtime".

I think most people would be outraged, just as the world should be when OBL or Khadaffi, or anyone else in the Islamic world says such a thing.

In fact, I'd be more outraged if an American president would say this, because he should know better.

It's one reason why many in the west think a showdown between Islam and the West is inevitable-because of statements like this from the Islamic world.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 19):
Starving your people and running military dictatorship are certainly very noble things.

Relax Marco, no-one in Libya is poor or starving. They aren't as rich as the Saudis/Kuwaitis etc but Libya has a lot of oil and a very small (about 4 mill) population, so they enjoy a decent standard of living. Of course if he hadn't squandered billions on arms and a couple of pointless wars here and there, they'd be even richer today.

Yes it is true that the Colonel is the only world leader with 75 versions of how to spell his name, but that's another issue.

This rant is classic Gaddafi, and should be ignored. These days it's more on religion, it used be be on Arab/African unity, or pan Arab socialism. He's been doing it for 36 years. You guys probably don't recall in the mid 80's when he drew 'the line of death' which was an invisible line from Tripoli to Benghazi across the Gulf of Sirte in the Med. Reagan promptly parked the 6th Fleet 12 miles of Sirte for a couple of weeks, and even managed to shoot down a couple of Libyan Migs in the process. Of course all the dear Colonel had to do was wait until they moved on and then claim he repulsed the American aggressors.

All those demos over the years have been staged - come Thursday afternoon some weeks the Libyans would be leaving work early and head off to Green Square to demonstrate. They didn't want to go, but they had to choice. In Libya you don't have a choice, you are not free to say no. You may be allowed abroad, but not the whole family at the same time, even now. In case you don't come back, your brother will be in jail until you do. These are the crowns of 'fanatics loyal to their leader' captured so well on CNN. To me, one of the utterly biggest bullshits in recent history is the sanitising of Gaddafi, the cessation of Libya's mostly imaginary WMD program, and suddenly he's Bush and Blair's best pal. More likely they can't war on another front, and Libya does have a lot of high quality oil, which after an absence of 20+ years, the Americans can now be involved in again. The biggest loser in all of this? Probably the ordinary Libyans who really could have done with a regime change.

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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 5:13 am

Let me get this straight...

You actually expect us to get angry at Qadaffi? You really think anyone in the Middle East, or the rest of the world for that matter, takes him seriously?

We are talking about the leader who suggested the solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict would be to make a state called "Isratine".

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 37):
It's one reason why many in the west think a showdown between Islam and the West is inevitable-because of statements like this from the Islamic world.

Correction: one crazy bastard in the Muslim world. This is great, people take Qadaffi's words seriously and generalize it to all Muslims (as usual)... I expected better even from you Falcon.
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Thu May 04, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 39):
Correction: one crazy bastard in the Muslim world. This is great, people take Qadaffi's words seriously and generalize it to all Muslims (as usual)... I expected better even from you Falcon.

Whatever, QR. But when those who agitate and threaten the west with destruction, like OBL, like that looney running Iran, it tells me that many of those with power in that region WANT a showdown with the west, to further Islam.

I really believe that, in my lifetime, there will be a showdown of some sort between the Islamic world and the West.
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Thu May 04, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
there will be a showdown of some sort between the Islamic world and the West.

Define 'showdown', 'Islamic world' and 'West'.
 
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 6:04 am

A bit surprising... like Saddam, he was never much of a religious fundamentalist - more of a secular pragmatist. I guess the African crowds we used to preach to have chuned him so he is trying to get a new audience. Not that we should take this seriously.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 16):
the Pope, Pat Robertson and other Christian leaders

Yeah, right, the Pope has everything to do with Pat Robertson... Might as well put the Queen of England in that bag, she is the head of a religion as well.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 39):
We are talking about the leader who suggested the solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict would be to make a state called "Isratine".

I believe he had been hearing too much John Lennon that day.  Smile


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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting TIA (Reply 41):
Define 'showdown', 'Islamic world' and 'West'.

A military conflict, or the real threat of one.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 39):
You actually expect us to get angry at Qadaffi? You really think anyone in the Middle East, or the rest of the world for that matter, takes him seriously?

I don't really think anyone takes him seriously  Smile

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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 7:14 am

The real issue here is the lack of reaction from the "arab world".

If one European president, even a fool one, would say "Middle East people should become christians" i can tell there would be massive protests from Europe.

If the "Arab world" cannot moderate itself, it is no surprise they will remain badly perceived.
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
many of those with power in that region WANT a showdown with the west, to further Islam.

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well, Khaddafi does NOT want a "showdown with the West", he simply wishes the West to become Muslim, which in his views of course is wishing the West all the best. Everything just a matter of perspectives.  sarcastic   wink 
 
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic

Thu May 04, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 43):
Quoting TIA (Reply 41):
Define 'showdown', 'Islamic world' and 'West'.

A military conflict, or the real threat of one.

There has already been a military conflict between a non-Muslim and Muslim country, so that is not saying much. There have been showdowns happening since the rise of Islam (crusades and all), up until the latest real threat of conflict now with Iran.
How about you also say what constitutes the Islamic world and the West?
 
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting TIA (Reply 47):
How about you also say what constitutes the Islamic world and the West?

Correct me if Im wrong, and I mean no disrespect, but isnt Albania a 'muslim' country? But in my head I cant conceive how to separate the Islamic world from the West. What is you perspective?
 
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RE: Qaddafi - "US And Europe Should Become Islamic"

Thu May 04, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 48):
separate the Islamic world from the West.

well, an interesting thought. The official name of Morocco is al-Mamlakah al Maghrabiya which means Kingdom of the West and the whole "area" of Western Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Mauritania is known as the Maghreb which is "the West" . Beside the point that "the West" includes most Arab metropolitan cities. Parts of the "Islamic world" are in Europe like Albania, others in Asia like Kazakhstan or Malaysia, and others in Africa.

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