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Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 9:11 pm

Srbmod:
Thanks for the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_K_platform


Srbmod:
Thanks for the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_K_platform

OK, I’ll admit that I have an unhealthy fascination with Chrysler K-cars.  banghead 
Despite poor reliability, I really like the ‘look’ of a lot of Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth K-cars. I think that style-wise, these cars were magnificent but came up short in reliability and engineering wise. I used to own a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible (pictured below).
Great ‘looking’ car but the front-drive 2.2 turbo I engine was a very bad idea. It would have been great if it was rear-drive and had a 318cu” V8. Then Chrysler would have had a serious competitor to the Ford Mustang and Pontiac Firebird Trans Am.

I liked the verbal alert system, digital instrument gauges, wood grain dash, Corinthian leather interior, chrome grille, concealed headlights and full-width horizontal tail lights.

Some K-based cars came with a HEMI.
OK it was a 2.6 liter 4cylinder hemi but it still qualifies.
That was probably the most reliable engine and the most powerful but only put out 110 HP. However there was the 2.2 IROC Daytona turbo that came with the 1992-1993 Spirit that put out 220 HP.
The largest engine was the 3.8 V6 offered in the Imperial and 5th Avenue in the early 1990s

Any other current or former K-car owners?







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The Chrysler TC was interesting.
An American brand with Maserati interior (Italy) an doptional Mitsubishi V6 engine (Japan)
A true international exotic sports car.  yes 
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Can you believe there was a stretched limosine K-car from the factory?  Wow!
1983-1986.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
OK, I’ll admit that I have an unhealthy fascination with Chrysler K-cars.

It appears so.  biggrin 

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Corinthian leather interior

Ah yes, the rich Corinthian leather. I can hear Ricardo Montalban now.

We never had one but we did have a huge Dodge van from the 70s and a super sexy Cadillac ElDorado with full pimp treatment.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
It appears so.

I know they are a total punching bag.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
and a super sexy Cadillac ElDorado with full pimp treatment.

What year?
Was it a Biraritz?
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:40 pm

A 1984 ElDorado. it was black with red leather interior, dark tinted windows, wire rims, and those glorious curb feelers. It was not a Biaritz model though. Other than the brushed metal roof what did that version offer?

For whatever reason one night we drove up South Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando and got lots of catcalls from pimps and hookers. It was such a wonderful family experience!
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:44 pm

We have a 93 Dodge Spirit sitting in my driveway. Blew the head gasket last fall and haven't gotten around to throwing it away yet. Maybe I should try my mechanical skills and try changing it myself. Probably more issues than that now though, after sitting for 6 months.

Oh, my wife used to have a Dodge Lancer. I have a Dodge Intrepid. We don't even buy Dodges on purpose, it just happens that way.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
It was such a wonderful family experience!

 rotfl 
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Wed May 03, 2006 10:51 pm



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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:52 pm

My God, the LeBaron was such a chick car. I don't think I've ever seen a dude driving one...  biggrin 
 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Blew the head gasket last fall and haven't gotten around to throwing it away yet.

LOL! Big grin

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Maybe I should try my mechanical skills and try changing it myself.

It ain't worth it.  no 

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
Other than the brushed metal roof what did that version offer?

Sounds like you guys had everything other than a convertible. That's the only other option on the list that wasn't checked off.
Some brushed stainless steel tops still had the power glass moonroof option.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 7):
My God, the LeBaron was such a chick car. I don't think I've ever seen a dude driving one...

Hey, hey!
Me and that guy from Sienfeild both had LeBarons! Big grin
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Hey, hey!
Me and that guy from Sienfeild both had LeBarons!

On second thought, I do recall a male acquaintance who drove one. He shaved his chest, too...  rotfl 
 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
had the power glass moonroof option

Oh yeah, had that option as well. What a tank!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Me and that guy from Seinfeld both had LeBarons!

Wasn't it Jon Voight's car that George bought?
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
It ain't worth it.

I know, hence why it hasn't been done. Would be a nice project though, and if it works, give it to my bro-in-law. He'll turn 16 in October or November.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Some K-based cars came with a HEMI.
OK it was a 2.6 liter 4cylinder hemi but it still qualifies.
That was probably the most reliable engine and the most powerful but only put out 110 HP.

Actually, the 2.6L Mitsubishi engine was extremely trouble prone with major issues surrounding it's balance shaft chain & weak cylinder head... the 2.6L suffered far more reliability problems than the 2.2L (which was notorious for head gasket failures) and Chrysler ended up replacing it with the 2.5L.

As well, the carbureted 2.2L (81-85) was almost impossible to keep properly adjusted, which ended up leading to stalling, hard starting, and poor fuel economy...

The torque-flite automatic transmissions were excellent...

In all honesty, out of the main domestic compacts of the early to mid 1980s, the K-cars were probably the best of a bad lot. They certainly were not trouble-free, but when compared to the GM X-cars (Citation, Phoenix, Omega, Skylark) & the early Tempo/Topaz, they were definitely a shade better!

We owned a very basic 1985 Reliant sedan (didn't even have a radio or a passenger side mirror!) and had it for several years... made 3 trips from northern BC to San Francisco and Los Angeles... wasn't the best car but still lots of good memories!  Smile
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:27 pm

The K-car was Lee Iacoca's pet project to introduce a mass market transverse front wheel drive and gain market acceptance. But there was more to the story, he had a new vehicle in mind and the K-car was just a precurser.

That new vehicle was the mini-van, and the K-car was simply a mini-van with a car body. It was pure genius.

Your facination is warranrted, given that this is a subject of study and most business schools.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 14):
Your facination is warranrted, given that this is a subject of study and most business schools.

Fascination...not so sure. But that car model was the main reason why the whole Chrysler/Dodge group even exists today. Without the K car they wouldn't have been able to introduce the minivan thus keeping them in business. His autobiography was a pretty good read. Think of what cars he is behind and how they affected us here in the States with the Ford Mustang, the K car, and the minivan. Very smart business sense.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 10):
On second thought, I do recall a male acquaintance who drove one. He shaved his chest, too...

Oh my gosh! He is weird!

Quoting A332 (Reply 13):
the 2.2L (which was notorious for head gasket failures)

Yep, that happened to me.
What's worse with the turbocharged version is when the oil leaks from the head gasket or valve cover gasket, the oil drips on to the turbocharger and exhaust causing the car to catch on fire. Go to your nearest junk yard and a I bet all the K-based turbocharged cars are there due to engine fire.

Quoting A332 (Reply 13):
We owned a very basic 1985 Reliant sedan

Probably the most reliable of the K-cars.
As long as they had no features, they were decent. Once Mopar expanded on the K-car by making turbos, convertibles, minivans, limosines and luxury sedans on the platform, trouble started.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):
Would be a nice project though, and if it works, give it to my bro-in-law. He'll turn 16 in October or November.

You don't want to get on your in laws bad side, do you? Big grin

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Oh yeah, had that option as well. What a tank!

The 1978 and older models wre even more of a tank.
I took my drivers test in a 1982 Cadillac Eldorado Biraitz.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 14):
Your facination is warranrted, given that this is a subject of study and most business schools.

That is incredible!  yes 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
Very smart business sense.

If he were running Airbus, wanna bet they would not have the market forcasting problems they are suffereing from now?
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 17):
If he were running Airbus, wanna bet they would not have the market forcasting problems they are suffereing from now?

Perhaps. I would hope for a little bit better vision with the A350 than what appears to me to be a slightly updated A330 in terms of capacity, etc. although it does offer some cool new technologies. I forget why he was run out of Chrysler but I like how they brought him back for the recent commercials.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Once Mopar expanded on the K-car by making turbos, convertibles, minivans, limosines and luxury sedans on the platform, trouble started.

and who could forget the launch of the 1984 Daytona and Laser... the K-based sport coupes... I owned an 84 Laser XE, fully loaded with all of the digital goodies, electronic voice alert, etc...

I replaced the engine twice in the 2.5 years I owned it (back in the mid-90s) and both times it was due to connecting rod failures... the 2.2L block was just not built to handle the turbocharging!

You're sure right about the fires though, very common issue when I was looking for replacement engines...
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:55 pm

Quoting A332 (Reply 19):
I replaced the engine twice in the 2.5 years I owned it (back in the mid-90s) and both times it was due to connecting rod failures... the 2.2L block was just not built to handle the turbocharging!

You're sure right about the fires though, very common issue when I was looking for replacement engines...

We're there any massive recalls on this?
I don't think anyone was trading in there 1971 Chagers for the 1984 Charger. Big grin
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Wed May 03, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
We're there any massive recalls on this?

I'm not too sure... I don't think I would have qualified for any sort of warranty/recall work at the time, since it was already 12 years and had about 100,000 miles on it.

What's ironic is that I ended up with a 1983 Chevy Citation as a replacement...  Wink
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Thu May 04, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Despite poor reliability, I really like the ‘look’ of a lot of Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth K-cars. I think that style-wise, these cars were magnificent but came up short in reliability and engineering wise. I used to own a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible (pictured below).

The only reason for the K-Car's existance was that it was cheap to build at a time when Chrysler was struggling to survive. Nearly all (or maybe all) of Chrysler's cars and minivans were based on it. The public quickly figured out that they were crap, and the only way they could sell them was by offering crazy waranties. Resale values were zilch.

Having a fascination with these cars is like having a facination with the Ford Edsel.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
The Chrysler TC was interesting.
An American brand with Maserati interior (Italy) an doptional Mitsubishi V6 engine (Japan)
A true international exotic sports car.

Bull. It was a $5000 Reliant-K with leather seats and a goofy-looking clock on the dash. It's as if you gave a Fiat Punto and gave it to Rolls Royce to pimp it out.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Thu May 04, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 22):
The only reason for the K-Car's existance was that it was cheap to build at a time when Chrysler was struggling to survive. Nearly all (or maybe all) of Chrysler's cars and minivans were based on it. The public quickly figured out that they were crap, and the only way they could sell them was by offering crazy waranties. Resale values were zilch.

You're right when you state that they were introduced as a last attempt to save Chrysler from extinction... and they did just that. In fact, they were extremely successful.

They were not all that durable... but neither were most of the front-drive vehicles of the 1980s.

The Caravan is still a best seller today.. the K-Car sold for 9 years... it's variants have sold for many years as well... the public bought em up.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 22):
Having a fascination with these cars is like having a facination with the Ford Edsel.

So what...? People DO have a fascination with the Edsel.. and the Pinto, and the Vega... and other junk cars from the past... nothing wrong with that either!
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Thu May 04, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
A true international exotic sports car.

International, perhaps. But exotic sports car? That may be a bit overboard considering such terms are usually applied to cars like Ferraris and Lambos. Personally, I think your LeBaron was a better looking vehicle - more correctly proportioned than the stubby TC.
 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Thu May 04, 2006 12:38 am

Yes!

My first car I ever purchased (17 July 1996) was a twilight blue 1989 Dodge Aries K four-door sedan. I traded in the family station wagon for it, and paid cash for it. It was previously owned by an elderly woman, who had cared for it beautifully.

It was a beautiful car inside and out, almost showroom condition. It was twilight blue outside, and blue cloth interior inside, with some fake wood trim on the door hardware and instrument panel. It sat 6, due to the shift lever being on the steering column.

It was also a very reliable car, which did not need much in the way of major repairs.

Unfortunately, it was in 3 wrecks during the 3 years I owned it (1996-1999):
*1 Nov. 1996--rearended another car; was damaged badly but still repairable.
From then on, it had a Plymouth Reliant K front end, painted to the same colour. So, it became a hybrid Aries/Reliant!
*February 1997--I was driving to Fort Wayne, IN, from my country town on snowy, slick roads, and lost control of it on a patch of ice and spun 180 degrees onto the front lawn of a house--into the side of another stranded car!
Once again, it was repaired to its proper condition.
*5 Nov. 1999--totalled in a collision with a deer in the dark of evening on the way home from school. I really missed that car when it was totalled!

So my first car, a 1989 Dodge Aries K, brings back fond memories (despite the 3 wrecks)!

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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Thu May 04, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
You don't want to get on your in laws bad side, do you?

 rotfl 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Thu May 04, 2006 4:56 am

I had a K-Car for about a year back in the mid-90s until I blew the motor. I had a red 1988 Dodge Lancer, which was on the H Platform, which was nothing more than a stretch of the K platform. I must really like mid-sized Dodges, as the Lancer was a mid-sized, and the Stratus (which is was I have right now) is current mid-sized Dodge car (The Lancer was replaced by the Spirit [Built on the K-derived A platform] in 1989, which was replaced in 1995 by the Stratus). I guess my next car will probably be the mid-sized replacement for the Stratus (rumored to be called the Avenger [which was also the original name for what became the Stratus coupe]).
 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I used to own a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible (pictured below).

Sup,

I don't mean to correct you in public, but your '87 Convertible was NOT a "K" car...

It was a "J" car, debuted in 87... they were some of my favorite Chryslers made, until, of course, the new 300 and even better, the new Charger and Charger Police Package...

details of your "J" car can be found here:

http://www.allpar.com/eek/LeBaronCoupe.html

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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 28):

I don't mean to correct you in public, but your '87 Convertible was NOT a "K" car...

It was a "J" car, debuted in 87... they were some of my favorite Chryslers made, until, of course, the new 300 and even better, the new Charger and Charger Police Package...

details of your "J" car can be found here:

http://www.allpar.com/eek/LeBaronCou....html

The J platform was derived from the K platform (See link in the thread starter), and the section of AllPar you linked says as followed:

Quote:
The J Body Chrysler Lebaron Coupe and Convertible debuted in 1987; filling the spot left by the cancellation of the Chrysler Laser and the directly K car based Lebaron sedan/coupe convertible. The cars were K based as well; but couldn't really be confused with their predecessors.
 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 29):

The J platform was derived from the K platform (See link in the thread starter), and the section of AllPar you linked says as followed:

True, DERIVED being the key word... as the article also said:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 29):
The cars were K based as well; but couldn't really be confused with their predecessors.

The "J" cars were MUCH, MUCH better than the "K's"

Look at it this way.. the 94-96 Caprice/Impala SS "B" body cars were "derived" from the late 70-s thru the mid 90's "B" bodies, shoot, they even had the same "B" body name, but NO ONE would claim that an LT1 equipped '96 "B" body was born from the Boxy late 70's style Caprice...even if they were!!!!
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):
True, DERIVED being the key word...

If it was derived from, or even shared a single part or design detail with the K-car, it was crap.
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 10:01 am

Cfalk; wifey had a "New Yorker" K a zillion years ago (before we were married) as a company car and it was not a very reliable product. Strange since that was one of the last iterations and you would think that they would figure out how to screw them together by then. The K platform was Chrysler's saviour though. As previously noted, their minivan derivative started a whole new class of American vehicle. As fate would have it, the minivan was an Iaccoca/Sperlich pet project when they were at FoMoCo (and a project of mine, too, as junior-year college industrial design student). The Deuce would hear nothing of it (hell, he didn't even want the Mustang) and the project never even got to still-born stage. When Lido and Hal got together at Chrysler, they got their way.

When I moved to GM, I saw archived presentations of a Chev minivan proposal of the same era that was also 86'd by management. So, FoMoCo AND GM missed the minivan boat and they way things turned out, the K platform helped save the Chrysler Corporation.

You also wrote: "Having a fascination with these (K) cars is like having a fascination with the Edsel." To this I am on the other side of the fence. Edsels are so bizarre they are absolutely cool. I'd love to have a big block Citation convertible. Regards...jack
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 11:28 am

I owned Chrysler cars for a number of years, including a 1981 Plymouth TC-3 (Horizon 2 dr. hatchback) and a 1985 Chrysler Laser (=Dodge Daytona and the 1st car I ever bought new). Both had the 2.2 L 4 cyl. engine and Auto tranmission.
The TC-3 had horrible front brakes, trim that came off, the A/C died in the last year I had it, but still it was a fun car when it was right.
The Laser was much better made, with no real problems to fix, but it too had it's A/C die in my last year of ownership.
Don't forget that the K-cars were kinda desended from the Dodge Omni and Plymouth and Euro Chrysler Horizon.
If anyone here is interested in all kinds of Chrysler cars of the past and present (incluing companies they owned or bought out, like Jeep, AMC) go to www.allpar.org They offer an extensive section on the K-cars and deriveritives.
 
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RE: Chrysler K-Car Platform

Fri May 05, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
Ah yes, the rich Corinthian leather. I can hear Ricardo Montalban now.

I read somewhere that "Corinthian leather" was just a marketing gimmick. But it sure did work well.  Smile
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