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Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 4:38 am

This really burns me up. The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children. I don't think that they are right at all. Soda is not leading to obesity, it is the fact that for lunch, we (and yes I include myself because I go to high school) can by 2 spicy chicken sandwiches, french fries, cookies, frito lay/hostess products, and a million other junk that's a lot worse than coke. I for one can't stand for this, what are your thoughts?

There are many other ways to cut obesity than taking pop out of the schools. The parents of fat children and the school corporations just want someone to take the blame, and who did they pick? Soda companies. I find this outrageous.

Here's the Star's article: High-calorie sodas to be yanked from school vending machines
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 4:55 am

Coke is pulling pop from the schools in ALL the states.

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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 5:25 am

When I was in grade school, I sucked down like 7-8 cokes a day. I gained some weight. I wasn't fat, but I was overweight. I switched to Diet Coke and biked 2 miles every day..I lost 30lbs in one summer...Coke is so high in sugar. I personally can't even drink normal coke now-it has to be coke zero or diet coke...

Coke can be fine-in moderation. If a kid is sucking down Coke while watching TV everyday, all summer...he/she will get fat
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 5:40 am

Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like. Kids don't need all that pop at school. They get enough of it at home. I'm all for it.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 5:45 am

Well my school has just banned all chocolate, sweets and crisps to be sold on the premises although you can bring them in for yourselves.

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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like. Kids don't need all that pop at school. They get enough of it at home. I'm all for it.

Great post.
They've pulled all sodas from the vending machines from my school and they got rid of the sweets vending machines all together.

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
This really burns me up. The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children. I don't think that they are right at all. Soda is not leading to obesity

It's a contributing factor.

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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 5:56 am

All forms of soda (diet drinks included) have been banned from my high school (in NC). There are about a million varieties of Aquafina at my school now. It's not that bad. No one really seems to complain. People just drink water or bring sodas from home. Personally I think it's a step in the right direction. No, soda isn't the main cause of obesity, but it does contribute. Getting rid of it is a good place to start. North Carolina has really been cutting down on unhealthy food and drinks in schools recently. I don't know about Indiana, but it seems to be working fine here. Sure people mope and whine about the food they're served, but in the end no one really minds the new cafateria menu.

Obesity is a problem in the US. I think it's about time something was done. You may think that you're not overweight, and the school shouldn't penalize you for other people's problems, but how will drinking more water hurt you (bottled-water that is, not the mucus you get out of the water-fountain)? If you so desperatly need a soft drink at school, just buy a huge packet of bottles at your local supermaket and bring a soda to school everyday. There problem solved.

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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 5:57 am

It is nonsense. Such measures simply will lead pupils / students to look for alternative supplies, but NOT BETTER ones. And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
It is nonsense. Such measures simply will lead pupils / students to look for alternative supplies, but NOT BETTER ones. And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.

What do mean by "not better ones"? Drinks don't get much worse than sodas (unless you're implying that students will turn to drugs and alchohol instead of sodas, which is not true). We have to start somewhere. There is no main cause of obesity, just contributing factors! If it wasn't sodas, it would be French fries and pizza to go first.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children.

I really don't think children are able to make wise decisions when it comes to food (or anything, sometimes), so it seems like a decent move. That said, I would much prefer it if the parents made the decision to pull junk food/drink rather than the government. After all THEY ARE YOUR (not the states') CHILDREN.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 6:31 am

I know that many parents won't buy their children soda at home, but the kids go to school and buy them, so the parents don't have control over what their children are consuming. I believe they should be banned. We're teaching the students horrible habits by making junk avaible all day long. I also see a difference (worse) when the students are drinking a lot of caffine. It's really a matter of the schools allowing the parents more control over their children and not undercutting them.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
That said, I would much prefer it if the parents made the decision to pull junk food/drink rather than the government. After all THEY ARE YOUR (not the states') CHILDREN.

Parents probably did, by putting pressure on the Board of Education.

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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 4):
Well my school has just banned all chocolate, sweets and crisps to be sold on the premises although you can bring them in for yourselves.

Ouch!! That must be tough to get used to at first, but I bet it gets better over time.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.

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I totally agree, and I know they contribute somewhat, but the state of Indiana makes it seem like soda is the main reason, which I do not believe to be true.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 10:36 am

This is good. It was only avaliable to me for one day per week when I was in highschool and my primary school didn't even have a canteen or caffeteria as its called.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 10:53 am

Who the hell cares? I'm a HS student, and the only time I buy a coke from the vending machine is if I need a caffeine up for first period....

Otherwise I always have a bottle of water. I can't drink coke by itself.... it's pretty disgusting.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 12:27 pm

The other thing with soda is that the sugar in it makes kids all hyper for an hour then they are all down and don't want to learn anything.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
This really burns me up. The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children. I don't think that they are right at all. Soda is not leading to obesity, it is the fact that for lunch, we (and yes I include myself because I go to high school) can by 2 spicy chicken sandwiches, french fries, cookies, frito lay/hostess products, and a million other junk that's a lot worse than coke. I for one can't stand for this, what are your thoughts?

Until relatively recently, soda vending wasn't permitted in most schools. Instead, most beverage vending machines at the elementary and middle school level featured milk and orange juice, and that was about it. School lunches certainly wouldn't have offered soda.

You could still bring your own soda to school, though. And on high school campuses, there were soda machines.

As I recall, things started changing about ten years ago, and in return for ad dollars and sponsorship, soda started showing up in lots of schools, big time, and I, for one, didn't think it was a good idea. I've always been taught that calories in soda were just "empty" calories.

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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 3:41 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like. Kids don't need all that pop at school. They get enough of it at home. I'm all for it.

Calorie and sugar wise, fruit juice isn't all that much better. But obviously with fruit juice you have some benefit (whether it be vitamin c or healthy kidney function). So it's the lesser of two evils...

Nothing is wrong with a nice glass of ice water.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 14):
Otherwise I always have a bottle of water. I can't drink coke by itself.... it's pretty disgusting

Unfortunantly there are alot of people who aren't like that. A number of my friends drink nothing but coke. They would rather go without food then coke.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 3:51 pm

I used to drink a lot of Coke. It's quite addictive, actually.  Smile
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Fri May 05, 2006 3:58 pm

We didn't have any of that crap when I went to school, but they let us smoke.  laughing 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sat May 06, 2006 1:12 pm

My high school in NJ still has two soda fountains in the cafeteria, along with every sort of fried piece of food you could think of, much of it smothered in cheese and other artery-clogging ingredients. We recently got a sandwich/wrap station this year after the student council petitioned to have it added, but every day, there is a huge line for the crappy food and never a line for the healthy food (the wrap station). Students really have no idea of what is healthy for them.

And my teachers are no better, either. They are always bringing in all sorts of junk food all the time; my English teacher frequently hands out candy and M&M's in class, my Chem teacher last year used to bake cupcakes, brownies, etc. all the time, and my Spanish teacher brings in donuts every Friday for our class. I try very hard to avoid all of the crap food; I would get fat very easily if I started to gorge on all that stuff. My brother, on the other hand, can eat all he wants and seems to get thinner; for me, I just look at a cookie and I gain half a pound.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sat May 06, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):
What do mean by "not better ones"? Drinks don't get much worse than sodas (unless you're implying that students will turn to drugs and alchohol instead of sodas,



Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):
What do mean by "not better ones"? Drinks don't get much worse than sodas (unless you're implying that students will turn to drugs and alchohol instead of sodas, which is not true). We have to start somewhere. There is no main cause of obesity, just contributing factors! If it wasn't sodas, it would be French fries and pizza to go first.

A) not better ones ? a wide variety, ranging from basically healthy but relatively fat juices of various sorts, across to milk-shakes etc
B) French fries and pizza may contribute to the problem, but first of all should be Hamburgers. Pizza should be reduced in size to what was available in Italy in the early 60ies, and the jumbo-size pizzas should be banned. French fries should not and never be served as separate snacks but only as part of a meal AND in decent quantities.
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sat May 06, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like.



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
Calorie and sugar wise, fruit juice isn't all that much better.

Actually, it is often worse calorie and sugar wise. Additionally, the fruit juice sold in schools (if it is actually fruit juice and not some processed sugar-laden "fruit drink" like Snapple that I am sure these schools call healthy) is almost always a cheap, cooked down, ultra-processed concentrate. Furthermore, what are they replacing the soda with? I am sure Coke's over-glorified tapwater Dasani will be in there, but I am sure that is not all there will be. I am betting that their artificially-flavored flavored Dasani will be included in there along with Powerade, which is fine post-workout but contains large amounts of high-glycemic sugars that will hit these student's even harder that Coke will.

This is a smart kid:

"Carmel High School senior Eric Fritz found the pending change ridiculous.
"It's ludicrous, to be honest," the 18-year-old said while sipping a Cherry Coke from a school machine. "I think it's pretty hypocritical to eliminate physical education requirements and then turn around and cut out Coke.""
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sat May 06, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
I am sure Coke's over-glorified tapwater Dasani will be in there, but I am sure that is not all there will be.

If the goal is to achieve any long term health and dental benefits for the student population of Indiana, there should just be plain water and low fat milk available in my opinion. Replacing sodas, diet or not, with other flavored alternatives will only limit, if not fully eliminate, the benefit of the effort.

I am sure this promotion will not stop here. According to officials quoted in the article, this is just the initial step.

The lunch menus will be next, and should be if this effort is to have any value. There is not just the fat , but plenty of sugar available here too. If my son, who by the way attends Carmel schools, consumed the "assorted fruit" cup which is nothing more than canned peaches, pears etc. in a heavy sugary syrup, he will to a large extent end up with just as as much sugar from consuming this as he would from drinking a non-diet soft drink.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sat May 06, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
2 spicy chicken sandwiches, french fries,

Well at least chicken and potatoes have some nutritional value. Sodas do not.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
It is nonsense. Such measures simply will lead pupils / students to look for alternative supplies, but NOT BETTER ones. And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.

Kids don't NEED soda in their school life. And by the way, why should corporations be targeting schools as a "market" anyway?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
We didn't have any of that crap when I went to school, but they let us smoke.

We had a smoking lounge!
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sat May 06, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 24):
The lunch menus will be next, and should be if this effort is to have any value. There is not just the fat , but plenty of sugar available here too. If my son, who by the way attends Carmel schools, consumed the "assorted fruit" cup which is nothing more than canned peaches, pears etc. in a heavy sugary syrup, he will to a large extent end up with just as as much sugar from consuming this as he would from drinking a non-diet soft drink.

Lunch menus in schools, if they even exist thanks to Ronald Reagan, are disgusting affronts to human health, yet are sanctioned by the USDA. People really need to take a look at Super Size Me or read Morgan Spurlock's book Don't Eat This Book if they want to know how it should, and can be done
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sun May 07, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 25):
Well at least chicken and potatoes have some nutritional value. Sodas do not.

Yes, they do, but it hardly makes up for it when they are deep fried.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
This is a smart kid:

"Carmel High School senior Eric Fritz found the pending change ridiculous.
"It's ludicrous, to be honest," the 18-year-old said while sipping a Cherry Coke from a school machine. "I think it's pretty hypocritical to eliminate physical education requirements and then turn around and cut out Coke.""

Oh don't worry, Carmel is always being glorified as the smartest city in the state.
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sun May 07, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 6):
No, soda isn't the main cause of obesity, but it does contribute. Getting rid of it is a good place to start.

Absolutely right.

Here's a good link that outlines the health effects of drinking soda. It's one of the WORST things one can consume really and I believe is a major link in why this nation is the fattest and sickest around. It is a compilation of quotes and health facts from countless doctors and health experts.

http://www.newstarget.com/004416.html
 
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RE: Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools

Sun May 07, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 25):
Kids don't NEED soda in their school life. And by the way, why should corporations be targeting schools as a "market" anyway?

What do the kids WANT ? They see what is around, what their parents consume, what is shown on TV, etc. And whether they "need" it or not, they will GET it.
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And why should the corporations abstain from their market of the future ? Why should the small traders abstain from their market of the future ? Why should the small traders NOT look for ways to supply what is on demand ?

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