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Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 4:02 am

I heard the other day a conversation about Hitelr's book "Mein kampf" and this question came right into my head. Who actually gets royalties resulting from the sale of his book? Would it be some relatives who are still out there (which I highly doubt) or does some sort of organism get them. Honestly I really wonder who gets all the money from selling the book and wondered if anyone here on a.net could answer my question.

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Sun May 07, 2006 4:11 am

It is in the public domain, so no one. The publisher keeps all the profits. Once even if someone was trying to claim them, the author has been dead for over 50 years.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 1):
the author has been dead for over 50 years

And good riddance  Wink.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 4:44 am

Now that the royalties have been clarified ... guess what - in Switzerland that book has been banned. The result? People started ordering it from abroad just because it was forbidden to own it. It's actually a very interesting piece of history.

What do you think about banning this book?

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Sun May 07, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
Now that the royalties have been clarified ... guess what - in Switzerland that book has been banned. The result? People started ordering it from abroad just because it was forbidden to own it.

I didn't know Switzerland has so tough laws. Here in Germany it's not banned. But the state of Bavaria owns the copyright and they don't allow new editions.

BTW does Bavaria get the royalties, because they own the copyright in certain countries? My guess is that it is only printed in countries were Bavaria has no copyright and therefore they don't get any royalties.

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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
What do you think about banning this book?

Like anything else, banning it is guaranteed to make it more popular.

Hell, if I ever write a book, I'll *pay* someone to ban it or denounce it. Anything to increase sales.
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Sun May 07, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
in Switzerland that book has been banned. The result? People started ordering it from abroad just because it was forbidden to own it. It's actually a very interesting piece of history.

What do you think about banning this book?

I think it is banned in Belgium and France too!

Personally I find that silly. Banning the book makes it sound so mysterious that you are actually tempted to read it. Same can applied for Cannabis, Sigarettes, banned books and even extremists parties. Better explain what is wrong with something or someone instead of banning it totally. Trust people to make a judgement on it and more often than not they will make the good one.

Here are a few examples:

-Extremist parties are ridiculously small in UK whereas they aren't in France or Belgium. ( The first is very liberal the later isn't!)
-Ask any young Dutch and you will find that more often than not Cannabis doesn't interest him.
-Why are Europe's Casinos best clients people from the middle east?

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Sun May 07, 2006 5:40 am

I'd actually read it some day, just to see what made that nut tick. It's truly an historical work, since what those thoughts led to were 70 million people dying 20 years later.
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Sun May 07, 2006 6:15 am

This may seem cruel, but it is not meant to be, they might actually give it to some Jewish organization in the end. Maybe as a very indirect way of Hitler paying for his crimes.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
What do you think about banning this book?

No book should be banned unless it breaks a law. Being about an unpleasant subject for the reader is not a reason for a book to be banned.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 12:45 pm

In the USA as to the book "Mein Kampf" or any translated version of it, anyone can legally buy, own, borrow from or use at almost any library they have access to (public, University, high school). I find it very odd that some EC countries ban this book, even editons with critical context commentary adjacent to the 'original' text. I recall several years ago, even the UK tried to ban a book that was critical of the Royal Family, so it was being smuggled from other countres (including the USA).
There may be royalties owed on some editions as to the translator, editor, or someone whom publishes this book with adjacent editorial and critical comments.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 2:58 pm

I spoke with a historian who is mostly interested in Third Reich about this book and I got to read some excerpts of it, too - it is really not worth it.
We also talked about if a ban of the book is really useful and he said that banning this book is the wrong approach. A ban only puts it on a higher level making it somehow mysterious - which it does not really deserve.
His opinion was to let the people who are interested in it read it, so that they can see for themself what a piece of junk this book really is.
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 4:38 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 9):
No book should be banned unless it breaks a law.

According to Swiss lawmakers, the book breaks a specific law about writing and expressing racist opinions. A very controversial law, I must say, but it is in place (sorry, can't find the reference to it right now).

Probably they are afraid someone might read the book in a non-historic context and actually apply what it says. Pretty stupid IMHO.

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Sun May 07, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
What do you think about banning this book?

Am I the only one who finds this a little ironic? Hitler did the same thing with books written by Jewish writers, and others too, because they were "dangerous", etc. Banning the book is a mistake.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 12):
According to Swiss lawmakers, the book breaks a specific law about writing and expressing racist opinions. A very controversial law, I must say, but it is in place (sorry, can't find the reference to it right now).

And this is a good reason for banning it. However, were these laws in place at the time of writing? If they weren't, how can one break a llaw before it exists?

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Sun May 07, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting Pelican (Reply 4):
Here in Germany it's not banned. But the state of Bavaria owns the copyright and they don't allow new editions.

I always thought "Mein Kampf" was banned in Germany and could only be acquired by a school or university for educational purposes.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 6:34 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 13):
However, were these laws in place at the time of writing? If they weren't, how can one break a llaw before it exists?

No, these laws are very new. But as soon as they came into effect, newspapers started saying that "now Mein Kampf is banned". Therefore probably the time of writing is irrelevant for this law.

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Sun May 07, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Would it be some relatives who are still out there (which I highly doubt) or does some sort of organism get them.

There is a wealthy colony of unicellular dinoflagellate parameciums residing in the south of France. Their riches are rumored to come from royalties earned from book sales of Mein Kampf.

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Sun May 07, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):

I always thought "Mein Kampf" was banned in Germany and could only be acquired by a school or university for educational purposes.

Well, many Germans think so, too. Even our ex minister of justice (Daubler -Gmelin) thought "Mein Kampf" was banned and wanted to prevent imports from the USA to Germany. Unfortunately she didn't know the ruling of the federal court (BGH) from 1979 which allows to own, buy or sell antiquarian editions of "Mein Kampf" in Gemany. To be honest it's not long ago since I know it's not banned.

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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 8):
they might actually give it to some Jewish organization in the end. Maybe as a very indirect way of Hitler paying for his crimes.

Just wanted to point out that the Nazi regime in Germany killed a great lot more people then those few million Jews during WWII, so it is not like any Jewish organisation should automatically get the royalties of 'Mein Kampf' should there still be any royalties to be paid for this work.

I must say that since the end of the war, Jewish organisations all over the world have done a good job in putting their suffering in the middle of the attention of the worldwide public, whereas other ethic groups have paid an equally high (or even higher) price, but never seem to be counted.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 8:57 pm

My host mom in Germany has two copies. One was given to her parents as a wedding gift from the state (obviously her parents were married during the 3rd Reich)  Wink I'm not sure where she acquired the other. She told me she has tried to read it twice, but finds it so boring that she stops before she is finished. I've heard other people tell me this as well.
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting MattCLE (Reply 19):
She told me she has tried to read it twice, but finds it so boring that she stops before she is finished. I've heard other people tell me this as well.

Agreed. I've tried to read it twice as well and it sux. It's just painful to read because it rambles about seemingly nothing. Never got through much of it, and I read a lot of books.
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 9:23 pm

I recall the book being allowed in the library in Tel-Aviv with the note "racist propaganda" stamped on it.
Anyways, I find it too hard to read, like Hitler´s speeches to be without structure and hard to get a grip over.
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Sun May 07, 2006 10:38 pm

I am against banning such books. I read some excerpts, and honestly, there is so much crap in that book that it is rediculous. Unfortunately, as we all know, Hitler did exactly what he had planned in that book, what makes it frightening.

I think these things should be read in school. That is much better than giving it a mystical reputation by banning it... Some things are so pathetic, they aren't even worth to be banned...

About the royalties, as far as I know, the Bavarian state owns the copyright, so everybody who makes a copy gets problems with the state.
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 10:44 pm

I tried to read it years ago, and only managed to get through about a third of it. The ravings of a loon so filled with hate, only other hate-filled people can swallow it. That said, he does have a few good points, as all good propoganda does. The unfairness of the Verseilles Treaty, for example.
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Mon May 08, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 6):
Personally I find that silly. Banning the book makes it sound so mysterious that you are actually tempted to read it.

More than that, like it or not it is a piece of history. We didn't ban "Das Kapital" just because so many crimes were commited by communist regimes...
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Mon May 08, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 1):
It is in the public domain, so no one. The publisher keeps all the profits. Once even if someone was trying to claim them, the author has been dead for over 50 years.

Hitler gave the copyright to the state of Bavaria upon his death, who still own worldwide copyright apart from the English and Dutch versions, the copyright of which were seized by those states.

The copyright runs out in 2015, and Bavaria get the royalties until then.

The book is illegal in:

The Netherlands
Germany
France

The book has been ruled to be in the public domain only in Sweden, due to the fact that modern Bavaria holds little in common with Bavaria in 1945.
 
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Mon May 08, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
or does some sort of organism get them

Where you thinking like a mollusc or something?!
 
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Mon May 08, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 25):
The book is illegal in:

The Netherlands
Germany
France

Apparently not in Germany:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 17):
Unfortunately she didn't know the ruling of the federal court (BGH) from 1979 which allows to own, buy or sell antiquarian editions of "Mein Kampf" in Gemany.

But it definitely is illegal in Switzerland.

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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Mon May 08, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 27):
Apparently not in Germany:

Its illegal to print new copies as it contradicts the anti-revisionist laws.
 
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RE: Hitler's Book"Mein Kampf"-who Gets The Royalties?

Mon May 08, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 28):
Its illegal to print new copies as it contradicts the anti-revisionist laws.

Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification.

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