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I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 4:10 am

1893 Turkish Mauser, German (Obendorf) built. Haven't shot it yet, waiting for my 8mm (1970s Yugoslavian) to come in.

Check it out: http://www.antiquefirearms.org/turkspecial.htm

http://www.antiquefirearms.org/Turk-1.jpg

And how in the world did anyone ever actually use a bayonet? Mine's heavy as crap hanging all the way out there on the barrel.

[Edited 2006-05-07 21:14:33]
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 4:20 am

 scared  dont shoot me  scared 

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:07 am

Excellent choice. Mausers in general tend to be excellent shooting rifles, and about as durable a rifle as you can find.

Don't buy into that garbage on the website about, "Good backup hunting gun." Screw that, a practiced shooter can use a Mauser as a primary hunting weapon. 8mm SPBT's will drop anything from rabbits to large deer... although don't expect to be makeing soup from the rabbit afterwards.

Word to the wise though.. most 8mm ammunition is still corrosive, so clean that puppy every time you use it
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:33 am

Oh dear. How unfortunate.
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 1):
dont shoot me

Me neither!!
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:49 am

Ha ha, what a primitive and archaic weapon.
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:57 am

1893, did you even have to go through a dealer for that one?

The cut-off date before a weapon is considered an antique was 1897 if I remember correctly from that piece of nazi gun control regulation the 1964 gun control act.

Can you verify that is a 7mm not an 8mm.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Don't buy into that garbage on the website about, "Good backup hunting gun." Screw that, a practiced shooter can use a Mauser as a primary hunting weapon. 8mm SPBT's will drop anything from rabbits to large deer... although don't expect to be makeing soup from the rabbit afterwards

Well the soup you could make, but I wouldn't expect to be grilling rabbit haunches on the grill.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
most 8mm ammunition is still corrosive

True with military ammo, civilian new manufacture is not an issue.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 5):
Ha ha, what a primitive and archaic weapon.

Most modern bolt action rifles, and yes that includes military sniper rifles, are based on the Mauser action. A new Ruger M77 MKII is almost a direct copy of a Mauser rifle slaped into a hunting stock.

Old doesn't necessarily mean bad, especially with firearms. The venerable 1911 is seeing a resurgence in popularity, almost 100 years into it's existence
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 7):
Most modern bolt action rifles, and yes that includes military sniper rifles, are based on the Mauser action. A new Ruger M77 MKII is almost a direct copy of a Mauser rifle slaped into a hunting stock.

Old doesn't necessarily mean bad, especially with firearms. The venerable 1911 is seeing a resurgence in popularity, almost 100 years into it's existence

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 5):
Ha ha, what a primitive and archaic weapon.

But quite effective in the hands of someone with steady nerves who knows what he's doing. It's a good strong action, maybe not as safe as the '98 which was something of a product improved '93. As a matter of fact I had a Spanish '93 rebored to 7.62 NATO that was serviceable.

The Mausers are gone now but I still have 3 7.62x54 Russian rifles-two were reworked by VKT in Finland in the late thirties-early forties and then dumped in cosmoline, only to emerge in the 1980s. They have the original action, magazine housing, bolt and trigger assembly but not much else.
They put a nice heavy barrel on, new wood, and tuned the trigger release. It is said that the arsenal wouldn't release one if it shot wider than 1 MOA.

Then there's the small matter of the arsenal reworked Chinese M1944 copy police carbine....it hurts to fire it.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 8):
This is you.

I would really appreciate it if you would stop giving away my bright ideas for discreetly sneaking into foreign harbors....mmmkkay

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 9):
The Mausers are gone now but I still have 3 7.62x54 Russian rifles-two were reworked by VKT in Finland in the late thirties-early forties and then dumped in cosmoline, only to emerge in the 1980s.

My Mosin Nagant is still my favorite choice for hunting with. It's a captured Tsarist Guard weapon that managed to sit out WWII.

90 years old, perfectly serviceable and accurate as a laser.

Although... also not good for making rabbit dishes with
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:46 am

I have a similar rifle, 1919 Swedish in 6.5mm. The only easily noticeable difference being that mine has micrometer sights and a different mount for the bayonet. Every part with matching serial numbers and never fired although I'm often tempted.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:54 am

Great, now get a .45 automatic and you can have something more practical for shooting inside. Watch your wrist , though.
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 7:03 am

I will never understand this interest in guns.

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 7:47 am

Of course, some would never understand this interest in aviation...
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):

Can you verify that is a 7mm not an 8mm.

Originally 7mm Mauser, but was rebarrelled in 1939 for 8mm. Ammo's less than 10 cents a round ($1.30 for a 15 round box), and I ordered a case (900 rounds) for $78. It does have corrosive primers, recommended cleaning with 4 to 1 water and ammonia after shooting. I think I bought them out of the Yugoslavian, now they only have Romanian http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of_8mm.html

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
1893, did you even have to go through a dealer for that one?

I'm not sure if he is a dealer, since he calls himself the Pre-1899 Specialist and deals in nothing but pre-1899 arms, but no FFL or anything required except a copy of my driver's license to prove that I'm at least 21. It is a pre-1899 rifle.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
The cut-off date before a weapon is considered an antique was 1897 if I remember correctly from that piece of nazi gun control regulation the 1964 gun control act.

1898 and the Nazi-inspired piece of garbage known as the 1968 Gun Control Act. The awesome group Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership shows how the text was partly copied directly from Third Reich government law: http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
Great, now get a .45 automatic and you can have something more practical for shooting inside.

I have access to a .38 S&W revolver, but I don't really have a need for a home defense gun at the moment. Starkville is a very safe town. I'm more concerned that my back door doesn't have a deadbolt on it.


I'm not sure how the rear sight is numbered, though. How many meters does each click represent? 100? 50? 25?

http://www.antiquefirearms.org/Turk-6.jpg

[Edited 2006-05-08 01:17:05]
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 5):
Ha ha, what a primitive and archaic weapon.

http://www.mauserwaffen.de/index.php?id=37&lang=en

I'm not into guns, but the new Mausers more or less look exactly like MD-90's.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 15):
I'm not sure how the rear sight is numbered, though. How many meters does each click represent?

I can't see the picture now, so I'm going from memory.

The rear sight has twenty clicks, right? If so, then each click should account for 10 meters in distance, but don't hold me to that Big grin I love an old piece with a solid action.

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 8:39 am

Just give me a Winchester and I'm okay.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 11:55 am

The Swedish Mausers are the nicest, but too expensive for me right now.

And I'm not sure it's 10m per click, because at 20 clicks that sight is way up there. Seems way too far for just 200m.

And QANTASforever, I'm really not being ugly, but it just makes me smile when you're a lobbyist fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic, but you say that you just don't understand people enjoying shooting guns.

[Edited 2006-05-08 05:01:55]
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 15):
I'm not sure if he is a dealer, since he calls himself the Pre-1899 Specialist and deals in nothing but pre-1899 arms, but no FFL or anything required except a copy of my driver's license to prove that I'm at least 21

Ok, so you didn't need to fill out the BATF ppwk for that one.

Nice the less the government knows the better we all are.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
The Swedish Mausers are the nicest, but too expensive for me right now.

Yeah I wish I had gotten in on them in the 1990's when they where released from the Swedish Arsonals....Ditto for those Finnish Mosins.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 3:15 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
And QANTASforever, I'm really not being ugly, but it just makes me smile when you're a lobbyist fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic, but you say that you just don't understand people enjoying shooting guns.

I'm pretty sure the republican movement, likewise the pro-monarchy movement, would find stiff opposition from the nation on the whole if guns became involved. I fail to see the similarities.
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 14):
Of course, some would never understand this interest in aviation...

I think comparing aircraft with firearms is a little like apples and oranges.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
And QANTASforever, I'm really not being ugly, but it just makes me smile when you're a lobbyist fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic, but you say that you just don't understand people enjoying shooting guns.

I'll shoot a political bullet, but never a real one.

I fail to see the point you're trying to make.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 21):
I fail to see the similarities.

Glad to see I'm not the only one.

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 22):
I think comparing aircraft with firearms is a little like apples and oranges.

Many people (myself included) simply have an appreciation for well built machines and well executed designs. Many guns, aircraft, etc could be lumped together in this regard.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 5:59 pm

WOw !!


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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 22):

I'll shoot a political bullet, but never a real one.
I fail to see the point you're trying to make.

Two points:

1. "fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic" sounds like pro-military, pro-"support the troops" propaganda, but you're a lobbyist.

2. You "fight" for laws and regulations, which are enforced at the point of a gun, since the state IS force. At least I'm honest about it, and I mind my own business and don't try to force others to change their behavior via force from other people's guns (aka the police, regulators, soldiers). The threat of prison for disobeying the state is equivalent force.

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 24):
You're a real man now MD90.

Yup. I'm almost 22. It's about damn time.

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 7:32 pm

You have access to weapons in the US?  Wow!

I got my first trifle last week incidently...


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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 7:40 pm

The rifle is under the category of "Curio and/or Relic" and thust doesn't require all the ATF paperwork.

Very nice rifle, enjoy it.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 7:52 pm

A questions if I may;

Why do the US use 'mm' for describing the diametre of a bullet, yet every other measurement they have is inches, feet and miles?
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 8:34 pm

Mostly, because the cartridge is created in a country utilizing the metric system. Notice I wrote "mostly." There are several cartidges that are created in the US that have metric designations such as the 10mm, 7mm Rem Mag, etc.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Mon May 08, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 23):
Many people (myself included) simply have an appreciation for well built machines and well executed designs

Fair enough.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 25):
1. "fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic" sounds like pro-military, pro-"support the troops" propaganda, but you're a lobbyist.

Yes, it's called academic conflict. To draw a link between actually shooting someone and having a political argument with them is quite odd, and indicative of someone who is so obsessed with guns that they'll argue until they're blue in the face.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 25):
You "fight" for laws and regulations, which are enforced at the point of a gun, since the state IS force.

Most laws are certainly not enforced at the point of a gun. You think if you have a backlog of parking tickets some cop is going to turn up at your house and point a gun at you?

Then again, do you live in Los Angeles?

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 26):
I got my first trifle last week incidently...

LOL - Brilliant!!

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Yeah I wish I had gotten in on them in the 1990's when they where released from the Swedish Arsonals....Ditto for those Finnish Mosins.

When i got my Moisin Nagants a whole bunch had come on the market from Finland. At one point I had an 1893 Chatellerault, a 1913 Westinghouse and a 1915 Remington in addition. Apparently the Russians carried them to Finland and dropped them in the snow.

I sold the ones described above but I kept the 26/38 and the M38 (I think) models. The 26/38 has a heavy VKT barrel dated 1941 and the other is from 1944. They cost me fifty bucks a copy back in the eighties.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 2:12 am

Let's see... I know at least three reasons why people own a firearm and they aren't always commonly shared ideals.

Some people own firearms because it's part of their job to do so, or for self defense. These are the people that intend to use their firearm against another person. There are very legitimate objections here

The second group are hunters. Enough explained, and also legitimate objections.

The third, most populous, and most commonly ignored group are target shooters. These firearms are almost never used to do harm to anything but paper. Like any other competitive sport, target shooting, especially at longer ranges, requires a huge amount of skill and concentration. Nothing but absolute mastery of ones self, equipment, and environment will put a round in the black at one thousand yards.

Before people start crapping all over firearm owners they should take a day trip to a range with a decent three hundred yard rifle range and try putting some lead downrange themselves. I don't care how good you are at SOCOM or Battlefield 1942, you'll probably be in for a surprise.

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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 32):
I don't care how good you are at SOCOM or Battlefield 1942,

I'd be interested in seeing the numbers of people who shit on guns, but enjoy FPS games.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 27):
The rifle is under the category of "Curio and/or Relic" and thust doesn't require all the ATF paperwork

C&R guns are a different catagory. You can get a license from the BATF to go directly through the wholesaler. But if you don't have the license (Class 7 I think) you have to go through a dealer and fill out the yellow form to get one.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 10:24 am

Wow, nice gun. Take good care of it!
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Yeah I wish I had gotten in on them in the 1990's when they where released from the Swedish Arsonals

I lucked into mine through an ex-SF buddy. A number of us pitched in together to buy a couple of cases and ended up paying only $225 per rifle.

Quoting Oli80 (Reply 28):
Why do the US use 'mm' for describing the diametre of a bullet, yet every other measurement they have is inches, feet and miles?

Like .22, .25, .30, .38, .45, .50, etc. The truth is that these have been around a long time and people are used to them and will most likely continue to buy and use them for a long time. We do see quite a bit of 9mm here particularly for handguns. Do the math on 7.62mm and you'll see where this odd number came from.

The really bizarre measurement to me when it comes to firearms is the "gauge" of shotguns - i.e. a 12 gauge has a barrel sized such that 12 balls of diameter equal to that of the barrel would weigh a pound.... unless of course it's a .410. I never have understood that one but they are useful for shooting mistletoe.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 11:40 am

37 replies and no ANCFlyer???  Confused
 
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 11:46 am

It depends on who designed the bullet and when it was designed.

For example take the 7.64 nato. When Winchester civilianized the round back in the 1950's they chose to call it a .308. Then they decided to neck it down to take a 6mm bullet....and voila the .243 was invented.

Also there are cases where shell makers will give a bullet a name different from it's caliber to differentiate it from another makers shell. Weatherby did that with the .240. and Reminton did with both the 6mm Remington and .244 Remington which also use the 6 mm bulletas the .243.
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RE: I Got My First Rifle Last Week

Tue May 09, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 38):
For example take the 7.64 nato

You mean 7.62, don't ya?

(7.62 X 51)
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