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Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 9:08 am

Back in the days of the Cold War, when the spectre of World War III hung over our heads in the 1980s, there were quite a lot of movies produced (mainly for TV), especially in the mid-1980s, about what it might have been like.

I have seen several myself:

1) "World War III"--(year unknown)--basically a straight WWIII war movie based on a European theatre war, and which ended with nuclear-armed Soviet bombers invading Alaskan airspace.

2) "The Day After"--(1983, ABC-TV movie)--this very controversial movie depicted a nuclear attack on a midwestern US city (Kansas City, MO, and its suburbs and surrounding ICBM fields). Very graphic, shows people vaporizing as their skeletons flouresce like neon tubes! Also shows the horrific aftermath, with deadly fallout and the disintegration of social order. As I watched this movie, I thought: Could this have been my hometown, Fort Wayne, IN? I have this one on VHS.

3) "Red Dawn"--(1984)--Starts out as a normal school day in the western USA, and all of a sudden, Soviet paratroopers start coming out of the sky; a Soviet invasion of the USA! A band of high schoolers, calling themselves the Wolverines (after their school sports mascot), wage guerilla warfare against the occupying Soviet forces in their area. Would a Soviet invasion of the USA really have been a possibility?

There is another Cold War-era (1980s) TV miniseries I just read about on Wikipedia: "Amerika". It describes a Soviet occupation of the United States; the movie takes place 10 years after the sudden, bloodless takeover of the USA (after Soviet nukes exploded in the high atmosphere, blanketing the US with EMP); it describes a largely demoralised, apathetic American population under the Soviet occupation heel, and the former USA divided up into occupation zones (eg. Indiana is part of "Ameritekh", one of several zones), and a holiday, Lincoln's Day, replaces the 4th of July, and Communist propaganda is taught daily in former American schools.

Does the premise of "Amerika" sound like it would have been a realistic possibility? I can just imagine my local airport, FWA, having both Russian and English signage, and Soviet "Aeroflot-Amerika" aircraft! ("Aeroflot-Amerika" being the only airline service available, for those permitted to travel, in a Soviet-occupied America).

What Cold War/WWIII movies did you see when you were living back then? Please share what you saw, and what you thought of it!

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 9:11 am

I really enjoyed Last of the Mohicans. It used to baffle me why this film hasn't been held in greater esteem. I was blown away by this film when I first saw it, and knew quite a few people who snuck back to the theater several times for more. The beautiful and harsh scenery, dreamlike photography, sudden explosions of bloody violence, and raging, over-the-top passion amid a collapsing world create a pure emotional rush. This is melodrama at its best, which means that it can really stir your emotions if you let it.
 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 9:39 am

Dude. One word: Threads. Here's what http://www.allmovie.com has to say: "Immeasurably more terrifying than any fictional horror film ever produced, Threads is arguably the most emotionally shattering piece of speculative fiction ever committed to celluloid." Got that? Not a reviewer, this is an objectively compiled database of film. Immeasurably more terrifying than any fictional horror film ever produced. This is not an exaggeration. Let's see what else Allmovie have to say. "Produced for the BBC in the wake of mounting Cold War tensions, this thoroughly detailed portrayal of the violent destruction of the delicate and fragile threads of society through nuclear devastation is unrelentingly bleak, and much like the graphic depiction of the effects of radiation and nuclear fallout, slowly eats away at its audience as it relentlessly and unflinchingly details the horrifying demise of humankind for an agonizing 13 years following World War III. As each horrifying act unfolds, viewers are jarringly reminded of the casual indifference to which people approach war as they go about their day-to-day activities, constantly taking for granted not only their loved ones, but such simple things as food, electricity, and basic human interaction. In the face of the darkest hour in human history, Threads suggests that humans must approach nature and science with reverence and a certain amount of fear lest it unexpectedly blow up in our faces after it's already too late. Definitely not for the squeamish or faint of heart (though it could be said that it should be required viewing, especially to political leaders, as a reminder of the horrors that humans could have and still can inflict upon themselves), Threads offers none of the hopeful and comforting sentiments of its popular literary counterpart (Pat Frank's Alas, Babylon) and ends on a note that will be ringing in viewers' consciences for weeks to come." That it does folks, that it does. That final frame will haunt you for months, and really, forever.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 9:48 am

for cold war:

Dr Strangelove... yup... nothing more to be said

Failsafe... good idea, bad script

By the Dawn's Early Light... ok script, good story

Slim Pickins... always came off as a serious Strangelove

Wargames... not really cold war but it did occur in that era, 1st computer hacker movie really :P

War to lose... weird made for TV movie about a soviet invasion of a US island in the Pacific from submarines

The Russians Are Coming! good for a laugh, good story too

The Typhoon Experiment, another made for TV thing, nothing to do with subs, basically Russian pilot defects and brings story that Soviet 1st strike is planned, big pre-emptive strike planned by US, defector is a spy trying to start war, blahblahblah



Also: Hunt for Red October, meh, Clancy, needed a different Ryan
K-19, not bad...
Hostile Waters... true based version of Red October and fairly good

probably more, but those will do  Smile
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting SmithAir747 (Thread starter):
Does the premise of "Amerika" sound like it would have been a realistic possibility?

Not really. As we know now the "Evil Empire" was a house of cards. While immensely powerful with nukes and even a strong military I see no way that they could have occupied America.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Thread starter):
Indiana is part of "Ameritekh",

A Soviet bastardization of Ameritech, the old Baby Bell, I would imagine.

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 1):
I really enjoyed Last of the Mohicans.

The Daniel Day Lewis movie set in colonial American times based on the old James Fennimore Cooper novel?

Personally I have seen...

Amerika
The Day After
Red Dawn
Dr. Strangelove
War Games
Hunt for Red October (though I read and am now re-reading all his novels which were mainly Cold War novels)

I'm sure there were more but I can't think of them right now.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
The Daniel Day Lewis movie set in colonial American times based on the old James Fennimore Cooper novel?

Ya, that one - where that guy jumped off a cliff at the end.
 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 11:01 am

John le Carré's The Spy Who Came In from the Cold (1965)

Starring:
Richard Burton
Claire Bloom
Sam Wanamaker

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059749/
 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 11:24 am

Perhaps one of my favourite cold war films is "The Bedford Incident".

This cold war thriller is set on a destroyer off Greenland shadowing a Soviet submarine. Stars Richard Widmark and Sidney Poitier and really sets a scary tone of cold war conflict, on a personal level. The Destroyer commander vs the sub commander.

Highly recommended.

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 11:38 am

Forgot this one earlier...The Russia House with Sean Connery and Kim Bassinger

I'm having a brain fart on Bond movies right now but other than Goldfinger, SPECTRE, and Octopussy there must have been an appearance by Ivan at some point.

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 5):
Ya, that one - where that guy jumped off a cliff at the end.

Not so much a Cold War era movie.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 11:54 am

Thirteen Days....great movie about the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 12:06 pm

Well lets see here.

Dr Strangelove-argueable one of the best
Wargames
Red Dawn-doesn't anybody remember the lessons of that movie and how they apply to todays terror enviorment?
Red Zone Cuba-The MST3K version
K-19
I would Argue Crimson Tide could also be considered a cold war movie.
The Hunt for Red October-Part of that was filmed in Alaska
The Day After
Torn Curtian-Hitchcock-nuff said
And I would argue that Canadian Bacon is also a cold war movie.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Not so much a Cold War era movie.

Well that's what world war III could look like. Shame on you.
 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 11):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Not so much a Cold War era movie.

Well that's what world war III could look like. Shame on you.

You have completely lost me here. How in the world are you comparing the Revolutionary War to what could have been WWIII? Enlighten me please as you stopped making sense a while ago.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 12:44 pm

Oh, definitely The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming! It's funny because it's true--that paranoia is exactly what would happen in a situation like that. I love that movie.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):

I'm having a brain fart on Bond movies right now but other than Goldfinger, SPECTRE, and Octopussy there must have been an appearance by Ivan at some point.

Let's see: A View to a Kill, From Russia With Love, You Only Live Twice, The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, The Living Daylights...Does GoldenEye count?

Okay, that's the list I come up with, but some of those might have a Soviet character limited to the pre-titles sequence or a relatively minor role in the story. So, yeah...

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9):
Thirteen Days....great movie about the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 checkmark  The best cold war film.Very scary realism of how close
we came to Armageddon.Very well done.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
How in the world are you comparing the Revolutionary War to what could have been WWIII?

Because they first used nukes during the Revolutionary War.
 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 3:08 pm

I agree that Threads is one depressive movie. Those

Quoting SmithAir747 (Thread starter):
people vaporizing as their skeletons flouresce like neon tubes!

are actually the most lucky ones.
Threads has been put on a DVD not too long ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...05?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd&v=glance
 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Fri May 12, 2006 3:15 pm

Good call on the Bond movies Airwave. My mind is elsewhere tonight with TCO and ROI numbers. (Dammit! I'm not an accountant, how did I get this task?)

GoldenEye counts since it was Russia vs. the USSR it still had leftover bad guys and KGB or GRU officers gone mercenary plus the Russian mob.

And damn you for putting in "The Spy Who Loved Me" because now I have that darn Carly Simon song in my head. Looks like I need to go post that in a different thread running right now.

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
How in the world are you comparing the Revolutionary War to what could have been WWIII?

Because they first used nukes during the Revolutionary War.

Are you wearing your tinfoil hat a little tight tonight?  biggrin 
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Good call on the Bond movies Airwave. My mind is elsewhere tonight with TCO and ROI numbers. (Dammit! I'm not an accountant, how did I get this task?)

Lol, thanks. It's alright, though--you can't be a Bond fan every waking minute. Double-Oh or TCO? Hmmm...  scratchchin   Wink

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
GoldenEye counts since it was Russia vs. the USSR it still had leftover bad guys and KGB or GRU officers gone mercenary plus the Russian mob.

Good! I love that movie! (And the N64 videogame, lol.) And don't forget all that left-over USSR military hardware...actually, by that logic, the pre-titles sequence in Tomorrow Never Dies might count, but that's a bit of a stretch, lol.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
And damn you for putting in "The Spy Who Loved Me" because now I have that darn Carly Simon song in my head. Looks like I need to go post that in a different thread running right now.

Hahaha! Actually, as I was typing up that list, I got Sheena Easton stuck in my head with her ethereal FYEO song...maybe I should head over to the same thread and retroactively plunk 'er down, lol.

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 18):
Hahaha! Actually, as I was typing up that list, I got Sheena Easton stuck in my head with her ethereal FYEO song

Damn you again! Well it appears my play list on the iPod has been decided for the flight home tonight. Thanks a lot!  Wink
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:05 am

I really liked The Hunt For Fred October. Good script, good action. Good special effects.

Crimson Tide was good as well. Kind of showed you that the wrong guy in command of a sub with enough nukes to blow Russia off the map could do if he snapped. WW3 would be the end result.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting SmithAir747 (Thread starter):
) "Red Dawn"--(1984)--Starts out as a normal school day in the western USA, and all of a sudden, Soviet paratroopers start coming out of the sky; a Soviet invasion of the USA! A band of high schoolers, calling themselves the Wolverines (after their school sports mascot), wage guerilla warfare against the occupying Soviet forces in their area. Would a Soviet invasion of the USA really have been a possibility?

I have been trying to get the name of this film for ages.
I love this movie
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
I really liked The Hunt For Fred October.

Fred October? Is that Ivan's evil twin? Or a salute to Fred Thompson's quote in the movie "Son, a Russian doesn't take a dump without a plan."?

Excellent adaptation of the book with the minor changes from the book not affecting the outcome or drastically changing the story like Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, and the horrible Sum of All Fears.

Quoting Trekster (Reply 21):
I have been trying to get the name of this film for ages.
I love this movie

Small tidbit of trivia. Red Dawn was the first movie to be rated PG-13.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
Fred October? Is that Ivan's evil twin?

How about a typo? That ok?
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 23):
How about a typo? That ok?

I was just playing with you! I couldn't pass up a chance to use Fred's quote from the movie.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
Damn you again! Well it appears my play list on the iPod has been decided for the flight home tonight. Thanks a lot!

Lol, glad to help out. I guess I shouldn't mention any Shirley Bassey songs then, huh?  Wink

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
Sum of All Fears.

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 25):
I guess I shouldn't mention any Shirley Bassey songs then, huh

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 26):
Headphones on and Diamonds Are Forever playing right now!

Lol, very nice. Somehow I figured someone on these boards would be listening to one of the songs, lol. Incidentally, ever listen to Kanye West's Diamonds from Sierra Leone? Good sampling of DAF there, I think.

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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 25):
Lol, glad to help out. I guess I shouldn't mention any Shirley Bassey songs then, huh?

Good thing I read this when I got home. But yes, I have quite a few James Bond songs on my iPod and listened to them on the way home tonight.

Diamonds are Forever
You Only Live Twice
For Your Eyes Only
The Living Daylights
Casino Royale
Thunderball
Living Daylights
A View to a Kill
All Time High
The Spy Who Loved Me
Live and Let Die

By the time those were done I was back home in ATL.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 2):
Dude. One word: Threads

That's one terrifying movie! It was shown to us back in high school (English class!) & it still sticks in my mind, 15 years later. The day after doesn't even come close.

The worst thing was that it wasn't some flight of fantasy, this could have actually happened. Made us feel lucky that we lived in Australia..........

Red Dawn was/is a great film, though, if a few of us got together for a video/pizza/beers night, we'd usually try to rent a copy from the local video shop.
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RE: Which Cold War/WWIII Movies Have You Seen?

Sat May 13, 2006 4:57 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
I really liked The Hunt For Fred October.

Fred October? Is that Ivan's evil twin? Or a salute to Fred Thompson's quote in the movie "Son, a Russian doesn't take a dump without a plan."?

Sounds like a pretty good name for a porno.....warming up the cold war on both continents.
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