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The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:10 am

This article from the Baltimore Sun highlights internet rule changes being pushed by the Telecoms that could ruin the internet for users. Serious shit.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:20 am

I would not overreact. The law (as I understand it) allows ISPs to sell priviledged access rights to certain websites. It also might allow them to divert users to websites who pay them extra to do it.

But this is where the free market will come in. There are dozens of ISPs available to anyone in the US, and most people in the world also have similar choice. An ISP which does this too much will quickly lose customers. Certain ISPs will advertise the fact that they do not play such games, and can charge more for that service as a result. Other ISPs will effectively subsidize their service with company payments, allowing you to get cheaper internet if you don't mind the shinanigans.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:25 am

And also remember that the majority of the world does not get ISP service from a USA company.....

The fact that USA ISP's want to control what you guys see is hardly ruining the internet.


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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
It also might allow them to divert users to websites who pay them extra to do it.

A browser heist at the ISP level. How entertaining.

The SPY-ACT makes it illegal to place spyware on your computer to deliver advertising, but the Cope Act would make it legal for your ISP to place it on their computers.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
The SPY-ACT makes it illegal to place spyware on your computer to deliver advertising, but the Cope Act would make it legal for your ISP to place it on their computers.

Then make your displeasure known by changing ISPs.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Then make your displeasure known by changing ISPs.

Since the Cope Act isn't law yet, there are other ways of making my displeasure known.  Smile
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Then make your displeasure known by changing ISPs.

That's an odd thing to say. There are two broadband ISP's where I live, at&t (SBC) and Time Warner. My guess is they will eventually decide to screw their customers in equal portion. The great American call of "let the market decide" is really just another way of saying "Let's choose the path of least resistance and simply hope for the best." Not all of us are naive Pollyanna consumers. Some of us actually take these issues seriously.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
That's an odd thing to say. There are two broadband ISP's where I live, at&t (SBC) and Time Warner.

I was just in Lexington, Kentucky, and they had at least 20 or 30 ISPs. How small a place do you live in?

And if there is seriously that few, and they start abusing customers, why don't you get a few friends together and start a new ISP?
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
I would not overreact. The law (as I understand it) allows ISPs to sell priviledged access rights to certain websites.

Part of this in response to the explosion of VoIP services like Vonage. The telcos (*Disclaimer: I work for the consulting arm of AT&T) being their normal slow selves have taken their sweet time rolling out these same services. Lobbying at its finest methinks saying that Vonage and innovators like them are screwing it up for everyone else and hogging bandwidth which is just bunk given the initiatives we have going on with fiber to the curb and such. Just another way to try and squelch competition from a quick thinking company.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
I was just in Lexington, Kentucky, and they had at least 20 or 30 ISPs. How small a place do you live in?

20-30 perhaps but I would bet that many of them use the same backbone and just lease bandwidth and are dialup. Broadband providers are fewer and farther between because of the initial startup costs in laying the fiber or cable to support things.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
I was just in Lexington, Kentucky, and they had at least 20 or 30 ISPs. How small a place do you live in?

And if there is seriously that few, and they start abusing customers, why don't you get a few friends together and start a new ISP?

I live in the 8th largest city in America. Everybody who's offering citywide residential broadband connections under a name other than at&t or Time Warner is just piggybacking off their lines. There is no point in explaining this any further and getting together a few friends to start a new broadband ISP is perhaps the most ridiculous suggestion I've heard all week.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 9):
I live in the 8th largest city in America. Everybody who's offering citywide residential broadband connections under a name other than at&t or Time Warner is just piggybacking off their lines.

I know all about piggybacking. But the ISPs who rent the lines control all the content, don't they.

Quoting SATX (Reply 9):
getting together a few friends to start a new broadband ISP is perhaps the most ridiculous suggestion I've heard all week.

Well, why don't we just throw away the whole capitalist system and go back to government monopolies and state enterprises then. WTF do you think is the origin of all these companies we have around us, from GE to Microsoft to Vonage and Dunkin' Donuts??? Someone had an idea, got a few friends together, hammered it out and went with it!

If you are to interested in bitching about it and not interested in doing anything about it, I have no pity for you, mate.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 2:08 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):

Well, why don't we just throw away the whole capitalist system and go back to government monopolies and state enterprises then.

Completely irrational comments like this just blow your credibility ever further.
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RE: The Cope Act, Poised To Destroy The Internet?

Mon May 15, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 11):
Completely irrational comments like this just blow your credibility ever further.

Your apparent belief in Marxism does the same for you. Look around you. Capitalism works.
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