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Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 5:55 am

Hi folks.....

I´m planning my first trip to Germany next summer, but i´ll like to know witch cities in Germany do you recommend, between FRA, MUC, BER or any other nearby these cities that i can reach easily by train.

I´m planing to visit 2 cities and stay 4 full days in Germany.

I´m looking for a little of everything....sightseing, culture, nightlive.

Thanks for your suggestions.

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 6:02 am

For a good combination of all I recommend you go to Berlin, but due to the size of the city you better pre-plan what you want to see as even four days might be too short... FRA has a great skyline, which you can see already on approach, but nothing too special, so think of going on a direct connex to Berlin if you only have that few days... also partying in Berlin is lots of fun, between Wednesday and Saturday lots of things going on... check www.berlin.de (also in english) and enjoy your plannings already  Smile
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 6:20 am

As you are american you have to see Heidelberg! Hamburg is a great city too and Berlin the best !!! Have fun
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 6:45 am

Why not try the Bavarian Alps. It's very peaceful and the scenery is spectacular. Also you don't have to worry about the hustle and busel of a large city.

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 7:05 am

Berlin and Munich - although Frankfurt is the financial center of Germany, its not that interesting from a touristical point of view. Berlin has gone though a major renaissance in recent years and Munich is a very interesting city. Have a good trip.
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 7:24 am

Try Leipzig... this is a city thats had a lot of investment ! Unusual Airport too.

Definitely Munich and Berlin though... dont forget Oktober fest.. in september.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 3):
Why not try the Bavarian Alps. It's very peaceful and the scenery is spectacular. Also you don't have to worry about the hustle and busel of a large city.

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< http://www.neuschwanstein.de/index.htm >

Definitely not to be missed !!

I also like the Harz Mountains... close to Hanover.

There is one of the best Air Musuems in the world near to Karlsruhe... at Sinsheim.

There you can see the Concorde and the Tu144 as well as Tu134 and more !
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 7:51 am

I've travelled all over Germany, and my favorite place is Berlin, without a doubt. Focusing there, Hamburg and Dresden are good places, as well as Prague if you're willing to jump the border south.

In addition, I am a big fan of Munich, and focusing there, Stuttgart and Freiburg are nice, and a trip to Dachau is solemn and sad but worth a trip.

Finally, in the west, Aachen and than by train visiting Luxembourg and Amsterdam would be a nice trip too.

In the end, I would choose Berlin, it's one of my favorite cities.
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 8:25 am

Good Cuban food in Berlin.

From someone who has been from one end of Deutschland to another.
The answer is simple: Berlin.
For the entire 4 days.
Split it up, and you'll wind of seeing nothing.
Berlin would take a MINIMUM of 4 days....After just 2, you'd be just getting a feel for the place.

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 8:48 am

BERLIN!!!!! WOW!!!

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 12:14 pm

If you're going to do all of your traveling by train, and you'll only
be there for 4 days....then I suggest:

Berlin, Leipzig, and Dresden.

These cities are very inexpensive, the people are friendly, and you
won't be spending most of your time on the train.

The time distance between Berlin and Munich is 7.5 hours, and
that's with the ICE trains!

The nicer parts in the western section are pretty much in remote areas.
The only cities there I would recommend seeing would be Cologne.

The southern section has beautiful areas, but they are the least easy
to get to if you don't have much time.

The same would apply to the northern/Baltic regions.
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 12:41 pm

PSA727,

Dude! When was the last time you were in Berlin. I love the city but wouldn't exactly qualify it as "unexpensive". I find it quite pricy actually, but I believe it to be worth every Euro... There is something for everyone in that city - the clubs if you're a party animal, the culture, the architecture, the history, the science and technology,... besides it is becoming social and party central for Europe, so you'll meet people from every country in Europe (if not the world) during your short stop... The girls are beautiful!!!

Also, in summer they have this mega street party - sorry don't know when or the exact name of the party ... I feel like saying the "Love Party" or something like that, but not too sure of the name... Someone else out there knows what I'm talking about?
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 4:47 pm

Depends what you want to see, I honestly dont like Berlin. Munich offers a nice city and the countryside around the city is beautiful. Especially the area between the Austrian border and Munich is as already indicated stunning.

Since Berlin is more or less bancrupt, they can not afford proper celaning of the city any more. My recommendation goes for Munich!

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 5:14 pm

I was just in Munich and absolutely loved it. You can spend plenty of time in the city amongst the historical buildings and bars, but it's also a great jumping off point for trains to places like Nurnberg and Innsbruck. Spending a day or two seeing other cities is well worth it. Feel free to send me a message if you want, I was just there to visit friends so if I can be of help let me know!
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 6:05 pm

My favorite place is no doubt Berlin. It's pretty cool during summer time! Frankfurt is absolutely boring. Don't now Hamburg but heard great stuff of this city as well. Munich isn't that bad as well.

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 6:55 pm

hi,

you should definitely come to berlin AND leipzig if you like culture, nightlife, entertainment, fine dining and all that stuff. I live in leipzig myself and I just love it! as someone mentioned before, even the airport is kind of nice and "different".

if you are interested in stunning history - then dresden is your place to go. they also offer boat-tours (so called: schauffelraddampfer (try to translate that ;o) on the river elbe. it´s just a fantastic view and a very very nice atmosphere.

have fun and if you have any further questions, just ask ;o)

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 9):
The time distance between Berlin and Munich is 7.5 hours, and
that's with the ICE trains

Rent a car, and get a high speed experience of another kind instead  Wink

If you are an aviation fan (rather likely when you are an Anetter), you should try the Luftwaffenmuseum in Berlin Gatow, where lots of German combat planes can be found. In Munich, you should try the Deutsches Museum, a big technology museum.

Altogether, Germany has a lot to offer, but sometimes you simply have to look closer... Many cities, including Berlin, might look ugly on the first view, because they have been wiped out in the war. Berlin offers a lot, but you have to look for what you want actively. I recommend you to buy a Lonely Planet guide for Germany, one of the best guides I know.

If you get to Hamburg, check out the "Miniatur Wunderland", one of the miggest model train installations in the world, absolutely awesome.

If you are in Berlin, you could try to check out http://www.air-service-berlin.de/

They offer sightseeing trips over Berlin in a DC3 from THF, a great experience.

So there are lots of things to do, you will certainly enjoy the time.
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 8:11 pm

I'm going to be different and recommend Cologne (Köln).

http://www.koeln.de/tourismus/en/

Some superb architecture - most notably the Cathedral - great food and drink, some interesting museums, classy shopping, great markets and a vibrant nightlife. The locals are also extremely welcoming.  Smile
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 8:34 pm

Is there a distinct difference between Eastern and Western Germany still, so that Berlin is still a Westernized spot in a Cold War land or has the Eastern part of Germany become fully integrated now in terms of infrastructure (ICE-trains, hotels, shopping, tourist-oriented cultural sites etc) and everyday issues of modern lives?
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 17):
Is there a distinct difference between Eastern and Western Germany still, so that Berlin is still a Westernized spot in a Cold War land or has the Eastern part of Germany become fully integrated now in terms of infrastructure (ICE-trains, hotels, shopping, tourist-oriented cultural sites etc) and everyday issues of modern lives?

That's a difficult question. The shortest answer would be yes.
Concerning Berlin, it never was a "westernized spot in a Cold War land" - don't forget the town itself was devided into two parts, one of it was the capital of the GDR, while the other part could be described as you did.
16 years after unification you can find a lot of places in the eastern part of Berlin which you would regard as western. While there are also run down areas in West-Berlin.

As for Eastern Germany as a whole - the infrastructure (when we talk about train-tracks, Autobahns, telecommunication and so on) in Eastern Germany is nowadays often on equal terms with Western Germany, sometimes even better (because it's brand new). There are other huge differences between east and west. The biggest are social economic. There are huge areas in the ex-GDR which have to cope with high unemployment which leads to other problems like migration (mostly towards southern and western parts of Germany). So you can see many cities in Eastern Germany with lots of deserted houses. The rural North of Eastern Germany is the most sparsely populated region of Germany and it's getting even worse (or when you like nature - better). Consequentially the infrastructure isn't the best there.
In general you can say Eastern Germany is relative poor with a weak economy, Of course there a regions in Eastern which are better of (like Dresden, Jena or the area bordering Berlin) while there are also poor areas in Western Germany.
So there are trends, but of course we have to differentiate.
BTW what do you mean by "issues of modern lives"?

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 11:05 pm

Let me say this slowly...

In Munich, the beer costs less than the soft drinks.

It is amazing German beer.

I think your destination speaks for itself.
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sat May 20, 2006 11:13 pm

DBA serve MUC and BER, and you'll probably spend around 50 Euro for one leg, so I guess it is "doable". The combination would be ideal if you are interested in bigger cities, since both cities are completely different.

Two days for each city may be not enpugh, though. Three days are ok, four are ideal. In case of Berlin, I'd say one day in the former West (Ku'damm + Tauenzienstr, old town of Charlotteburg, Schloss Charlottenburg), one day in the former East (Governmental quarter, Friedrichstrasse, Scheunenviertel [Hackeche Hoefe, New Synagogue, Heckmann Hoefe], Potsdamer Platz and Prenzlauer Berg of course: Helmholzplatz, Kollwitzplatz, Kulturbrauerei ... one day in Potsdam (Schloss Sanssouci, Hollaendisches Viertel) and one day for Museums, such as Jewish Museum, Checkpoint Charlie, Deutsches Technikmuseum, Filmmuseum at Potsdamer Platz).
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If you'd rather like to drive on an ICE, I'd choose Hamburg over Leipzig. Sure, Leipzig is nice, but Hamburg is more different from Berlin than Leipzig is. You could spend a day downtown including Lake Alster and another day at river Elbe, be it the pitoreque buildings in Blankenese (ask for direction to the "Treppengebiet", which is very close to the s-Bahn railway station), then up river Elbe. You'll see Airbus' Finkenwerde plant on the right and eventually - after a 3-hour walk - reach Oevelgoenne Musuem Harbour. The S-Bahn station of Altona is not too far away then. Then there is Landungsbruecken and of course Reeperbahn / Grosse Freiheit, Hamburg's red light district.
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sun May 21, 2006 1:38 am

If you really want to see la-la blah-blah tourist traps, I should be able to show you around Heidelberg and its Kitsch. Admittedly, we have a few nice places but you kind of focus on the ugly ones if you've grown up in a picturesque medieval town anyway, like I have.
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sun May 21, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Qazar (Reply 10):
Someone else out there knows what I'm talking about?

Sure do! You were close its the love parade its on in berlin on the 15th july, which is a shame as i am leaving on the 14th
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 17):
there a distinct difference between Eastern and Western Germany still, so that Berlin is still a Westernized spot in a Cold War land or has the Eastern part of Germany become fully integrated now in terms of infrastructure (ICE-trains, hotels, shopping, tourist-oriented cultural sites etc) and everyday issues of modern lives?

In fact, Berlin is the most visible example of the cold war... The city was almost completely destroyed in WW2, and after the war it was rebuilt as a western front city in the west, while the same was done in the east to show how great the east is... So Berlin is now a unique and great mixture of Communist architecture in the East (the Karl-Marx-Allee is a great example), now rotting away western architecture in the west, modern architecture in places like the Potsdamer Platz and old traditional architecture of restored buildings that survived the war.

These contrasts are what I found most impressive about Berlin. Whether this still is the case, I think we must distinguish three kinds of people who live in Berlin. Old, tradional people from West Berlin, traditional people from East Berlin, and young students from all of Germany. There are still traditional cold war people from the west who hardly ever go to East Berlin, and vice versa, while young people are a symbol of the new Berlin.

I know students who came to study in Berlin and people who grew up in Berlin, and the differences are incredible. You will find no other German city which has so many open, cool young people, yet you will also find narrow minded people that only know their neighbourhood...

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RE: Where In Germany?

Sun May 21, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 17):
Is there a distinct difference between Eastern and Western Germany still, so that Berlin is still a Westernized spot in a Cold War land or has the Eastern part of Germany become fully integrated now in terms of infrastructure (ICE-trains, hotels, shopping, tourist-oriented cultural sites etc) and everyday issues of modern lives?

There's definitely a difference in feeling, at least that I have felt in my times in both western and eastern Germany. I personally prefer eastern Germany - I feel like it has more history behind it, more of a down home feeling, and maybe a tad bit edgy (but not dangerous), which I have always enjoyed (come on, I'm from a 16 year old country, I have to like it!  Wink)
 
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sun May 21, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting Qazar (Reply 10):
PSA727,

Dude! When was the last time you were in Berlin. I love the city but wouldn't exactly qualify it as "unexpensive". I find it quite pricy actually, but I believe it to be worth every Euro...

I have no idea what you are countering Berlin with, but in regards to
Frankfurt or Munich, Berlin is less expensive. The only area I found less expensive in the former West Germany is in the southern area of
Bavaria near the Austrian border.

As for the last time I was in Berlin: I used to live there and go back at
least 5 or 6 times each year. I'll be there this upcoming weekend as well.
The last time I saw any price increases of significance in Berlin was back
in January 2002 when they converted from the D-Mark to the Euro.
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RE: Where In Germany?

Sun May 21, 2006 7:45 pm

Regardless of where you go *cough*Hamburg, the most beautiful city in the world*cough*, get yourself a rental car with some nice power, and enjoy the Autobahn Big grin . Pedal to the metal.

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