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This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 4:59 am

I am sorry but this is just freakin' hilarious!
I know it is supposed to be political "appropriate", but they sure have a long ways to go

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769.html

FIRST GRADE

" Every religion other than Islam is false."

"Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words (Islam, hellfire): Every religion other than ______________ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____________."

FOURTH GRADE

"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."

FIFTH GRADE

"Whoever obeys the Prophet and accepts the oneness of God cannot maintain a loyal friendship with those who oppose God and His Prophet, even if they are his closest relatives."

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to be a loyal friend to someone who does not believe in God and His Prophet, or someone who fights the religion of Islam."

"A Muslim, even if he lives far away, is your brother in religion. Someone who opposes God, even if he is your brother by family tie, is your enemy in religion."

SIXTH GRADE

"Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere endeavor to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will the Arabs and Muslims emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God, for this is within God's power."

EIGHTH GRADE

"As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus."
"God told His Prophet, Muhammad, about the Jews, who learned from parts of God's book [the Torah and the Gospels] that God alone is worthy of worship. Despite this, they espouse falsehood through idol-worship, soothsaying, and sorcery. In doing so, they obey the devil. They prefer the people of falsehood to the people of the truth out of envy and hostility. This earns them condemnation and is a warning to us not to do as they did."

"They are the Jews, whom God has cursed and with whom He is so angry that He will never again be satisfied [with them]."

"Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship the devil, and not God."

"Activity: The student writes a composition on the danger of imitating the infidels."

NINTH GRADE

"The clash between this [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills."

"It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour [of judgment]."

"Muslims will triumph because they are right. He who is right is always victorious, even if most people are against him."

TENTH GRADE

The 10th-grade text on jurisprudence teaches that life for non-Muslims (as well as women, and, by implication, slaves) is worth a fraction of that of a "free Muslim male." Blood money is retribution paid to the victim or the victim's heirs for murder or injury:

"Blood money for a free infidel. [Its quantity] is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, whether or not he is 'of the book' or not 'of the book' (such as a pagan, Zoroastrian, etc.).

"Blood money for a woman: Half of the blood money for a man, in accordance with his religion. The blood money for a Muslim woman is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, and the blood money for an infidel woman is half of the blood money for a male infidel."

ELEVENTH GRADE

"The greeting 'Peace be upon you' is specifically for believers. It cannot be said to others."

"If one comes to a place where there is a mixture of Muslims and infidels, one should offer a greeting intended for the Muslims."

"Do not yield to them [Christians and Jews] on a narrow road out of honor and respect."

TWELFTH GRADE

"Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God."


They crack me up!

Just remember that these here are Wahabists, and Saudi Arabian only! Cannot stretch this enough.

Boaz.

[Edited 2006-05-23 21:59:48]
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 5:19 am

So much for "love thy neighbor."

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
"As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus."

So that nobody gets confused, this is not the Quran.
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Wed May 24, 2006 5:24 am

Makes Scientology look downright grounded  Silly
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 5:25 am

Oh well, let's look on the bright side, the "fourth grade" doesn't look menacing for us polytheists and infidels. One has to be grateful for small mercies. The rest makes for riveting bedtime reading  yawn 

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 5:26 am

hmm I saw an english schoolbook from communist China where students had to write that Mao is the greatest leader everywhere lol.
 
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 2):
So that nobody gets confused, this is not the Quran.

Exactly my friend!
This is a pure pirateted copy of Islam!

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 6:32 am

This seems to only be a small piece of the puzzle on why we are still friends and ever were with the Saudis. I dont care how much oil they have, thier human rights record is so poor it makes Pol Pot not look so bad. I call for trade embargos on them, open up ANWR to drilling and let the chips fall where they may. Why is it the US foreign policy is so hypocritical?
 
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 6:49 am

So that nobody gets confused, this is not the Quran

Ok so it's a hadeeth. I can pull out a verse from the Quran that is just as disturbing. In fact, so that people do not say I'm attacking Islam, I could do that with almost any holy book. The problem with the Islam is that it is more political than other religions - there's an Islamic "umma", the shariah, etc ... it's not just a religion, it's also politics. Furthermore you have moderate clerics who are fine, they teach religion in the way it should be taught (hygiene, morals, etc) while others issue a fatwa everytime someone farts ... so there needs to be more conscensus in the Islamic world. Also, I grew up in the Islamic world and remember when my friends went to religion class they would constantly be taught about wars, how other religions are false, etc ... even my Muslim friends would complain - the curiculum needs to be modified, stop the glorification of war and destruction and concentrate on the good aspects of Islam - hygiene, honesty, etc...and we should stop defining each other by religion in the Middle East - I am Iraqi first then Assyrian Christian, etc (I have more in common with a Palestinian Muslim than an American Christian for example) ... and this is in fact what we had in Iraq until the USA brought in the ayatollahs from Iran ...
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 7:51 am

The key that the Saudis need to learn is that it is hypocracy and lies to condemn acts on violence on the one hand, while condoning, promoting and encouraging them with such "education" on the other..
"True" Islam or not(Or any religion or teaching for that matter) What they are flogging off to their masses as the "right" way is unacceptable for anyone else in the world and plain arrogant should it be comitted by another religion or peoples?
The reason you teach a kid maths is so that he can apply those skills, the same go's for if you teach him hate theres a good chance he will practice it in some form or another, as you are certainly not teaching him it to waste space in a text book.


At the end of the day such messeges of hate only make those who are conned into believing them have a certain type of "Inferiority" and "Self esteem" issue/ complex which causes them to go into overdrive of "Im right, Im better, Im bigger...now I need to proove it to myself by hating even more [and Ironically making the initial insecurity even bigger demanding an even greater need for arrogance and on and on]" and must have some serious flow on effects on those aflicted.
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."

Gee, THAT'S a relief  Yeah sure

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
The greeting 'Peace be upon you' is specifically for believers. It cannot be said to others."

Seeing as how President Ahmadi-Najad of Iran specifically used this phrase in reference to Jesus (The Ultimate Infidel) in his letter to Bush, he should be hanged, quartered, and shot for breaking Islamic teachings.


(PS- No, Alireza, I don't consider that to be cruel and unusual by today's Islamic standards  Wink )
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
"free Muslim male."

There's a conflict of terms if ever I heard one.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Makes Scientology look downright grounded

Where do I sign up?  Big grin
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 10):

Gee, THAT'S a relief

Yeah I thought "unjustly" was kinda... Open for suggestions?!

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 10):

Seeing as how President Ahmadi-Najad of Iran specifically used this phrase in reference to Jesus (The Ultimate Infidel) in his letter to Bush, he should be hanged, quartered, and shot for breaking Islamic teachings.

Yeah. In Islam (correct me if I am wrong) you are actually obliged to say Sall Allahu, Aleyhi Wa' salam after the mentioning of all prophets, including Moshe and Jesus Big grin

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 10):
PS- No, Alireza, I don't consider that to be cruel and unusual by today's Islamic standards

 Big grin

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Wed May 24, 2006 8:47 am

Saudi woman: Allah has cursed me, Omar, for your dick is but one inch long.

Saudi man: Damn you, you woman. For it has been taught to me in the 10th grade that you are but a fraction of me, and I am many times you. You shall now recite, "Omar, my husband, the man I must worship has a 10 inch dick."
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:47 am

I'm disturbed.

OK, it's not Quran, but these kids will get to read it!

No wonder there's so much confusion....

Islam is a religion without a hatred spreading ting, right?

Please explain it to me, even via IM, because I strongly start to believe that it IS, and Im a leek, but after reading this sort of crap I start to be anti-Islam. And I don't want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When will this stop?

Please help, because I'm very interested in this subject, I'd like to hear from our Moslim friends what do they think about it.

Thank you.
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Saudi woman: Allah has cursed me, Omar, for your dick is but one inch long.

LMAO!!  rotfl 
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:54 am

Not funny



The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed.
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Saudi woman: Allah has cursed me, Omar, for your dick is but one inch long.

Saudi man: Damn you, you woman. For it has been taught to me in the 10th grade that you are but a fraction of me, and I am many times you. You shall now recite, "Omar, my husband, the man I must worship has a 10 inch dick."

Blasphemy, you Infidel!  bigthumbsup 
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:07 am

OK, it might be funny for us, cosy and safe, for us it sounds strange and middle ages, but you think it's funny that kids in such countries are being brought up this way,

Remember 9/11?

Somebody puts this crap into their heads!

School text books? Now there's something to laugh about... Until they grow up. Then it's: oh well, another bomb in { fill in the place in Middle East/ Europe/US}

I'm sick of it.
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 2):
So that nobody gets confused, this is not the Quran.



Quoting Windshear (Reply 6):
Exactly my friend!
This is a pure pirateted copy of Islam!

We can agree on that, but do the people being taught this crap know it is not in the Quran?

Quoting LO231 (Reply 18):
Somebody puts this crap into their heads!

The worse thing is, if these kids believe this crap, then some of their violent actions make sense from the standpoint of what they are being taught.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting LO231 (Reply 18):
I'm sick of it.

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If there's any evidence to make the claim that they bring the ever-increasing worldwide intolerance of the Islamic community upon themselves, this is it.
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:26 am

Look, this is a country run by a bunch of moral police (the muttawa or mutts as many expats call them) who let 20 young girls die in a burning school rather than open the doors and let them out without being chaperoned by their male guardians or let male firemen in to rescue them.

The muttawa are ugly, dirty and stupid.

Yet, according to GWB, Saudi Arabia is a valuable friend.
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 2):
So that nobody gets confused, this is not the Quran.

No, but sadly it's becoming more popular to think this way in certain parts of the world.

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Wed May 24, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 19):
We can agree on that, but do the people being taught this crap know it is not in the Quran?

Verbatim its not. But I can quote very similar wording as well as intent in the quran.

Then moslems can quote the compassionate quotes to me yet islamists will continue to teach the negative. Then we complain about islam. Then moslems cry bigotry.

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Wed May 24, 2006 11:29 am

In Catholic school I was taught that every one who wasn't Roman Catholic and in a state of grace went to hell when they died. Except for the babies who went to limbo and apparently danced under poles. There were also many stories about people who were necking and run over by busses on their way to confession the next day. (There was a lot of stuff I wasn't real clear on in second grade.) Those of you who went to Catholic school know what I'm talking about. I guess it is scary that this seems so extreme, but there are similarities in many religions.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 24):
Those of you who went to Catholic school know what I'm talking about.

Maybe a while ago. These days, no.

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Wed May 24, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 24):
In Catholic school I was taught that every one who wasn't Roman Catholic and in a state of grace went to hell when they died.

Not True where I learnt. May be it's just applicable to US  Wink
As per my understanding it is Catholics that would go to hell, if they don't believe in whatever..... Being a Catholic myself, I don't rule out that possibility LOL.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 2:06 pm

Problem with these alleged school texts is that it encourages a very narrow view of the world, something not very good for anybody. With slightly different wording, it probably isn't different from the language of Nazi era or Japanese pre- and during WWII school texts as to their message of hate upon others.
Such a narrow educational view will make it impossible for those learning such views from ever being able to get a modern 'liberal' education and become educated in what they need to run their country and oil business. Such a narrow education means Saudi Arabia has to hire non-Saudi's as are the only people educated in western style and technical needs to run their economy.
 
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
I am sorry but this is just freakin' hilarious!

It's not funny. Many of the people who are reading this stuff in school, one day, we will have to kill them.

Quoting Nancy (Reply 24):
In Catholic school I was taught that every one who wasn't Roman Catholic and in a state of grace went to hell when they died. Except for the babies who went to limbo and apparently danced under poles. There were also many stories about people who were necking and run over by busses on their way to confession the next day. (There was a lot of stuff I wasn't real clear on in second grade.) Those of you who went to Catholic school know what I'm talking about. I guess it is scary that this seems so extreme, but there are similarities in many religions.

I look at your age profile, and question what kind of school you went to. As I recall, the concept of Limbo went away after Vatican II, over 40 years ago.

Secondly, I was educated by the Jesuits (also known as "the Pope's Commandos"), and the absolututism you speak of was not there. We were taught that God, for His own reasons, decides to reveal himself to different people in different ways, and that we should not judge other faiths, so long as they are not actually hurtful (like into ritual sacrifice and such).
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Wed May 24, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Saudi woman: Allah has cursed me, Omar, for your dick is but one inch long.

Saudi man: Damn you, you woman. For it has been taught to me in the 10th grade that you are but a fraction of me, and I am many times you. You shall now recite, "Omar, my husband, the man I must worship has a 10 inch dick."

Absolute genius, love it! Big grin
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Wed May 24, 2006 7:56 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 28):
Secondly, I was educated by the Jesuits (also known as "the Pope's Commandos"), and the absolututism you speak of was not there. We were taught that God, for His own reasons, decides to reveal himself to different people in different ways, and that we should not judge other faiths, so long as they are not actually hurtful (like into ritual sacrifice and such).

True. I don't think these posts are worthwhile. We shouldn't go round mocking other cultures and religions, even if they are like the above.
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 28):
It's not funny. Many of the people who are reading this stuff in school, one day, we will have to kill them.

That is the irony, but most of all this attempt to correct their past text books is tragically amusing, and I laugh at it with a tear in my eye.

Saudi Arabia are looked upon with a frown, by all moderate Muslims, it is no coinsidence that Ossama and the guys are marching to this crazed Wahabist tune, they just took it to another level, that is all.

Just to answer the questions from the Qur'an... Jews and christians are mentioned as people who has a place in every Islamic society!
It does not say that their creed is correct, but that there should be respect and tolerance towards these religions and their followers, thus this Saudi textbook clearly is a kind of defense against other religions, maybe to ensure that Saudi Arabia will not become Christian in a 100 years  Smile

Another thing which Mohammed said was the following:

"Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded."-Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 38

So you see these jihadists, don't really understand the essense of religion, they are violent and insecure fools, killing for a cause they barely grasp the meaning of.

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 23):
I'm gonna get a beer.

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Wed May 24, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Windshear (Reply 31):
So you see these jihadists, don't really understand the essense of religion, they are violent and insecure fools, killing for a cause they barely grasp the meaning of

Beacuse they are programmed at the earliest age to hate. Who is doing the programming? Their parents or the schools their parents put them in. This is what happens in some places in Pakistan where Wahabii schools are lavish operations compared to what the government can offer. Where would you put your child? In a room built with wood, tin roofs, mud floors - or an airconditioned, sturdy establishment? That is why there is a factory of smart bombs being built every day that we will see at some point in our future.
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting Windshear (Reply 31):
So you see these jihadists, don't really understand the essense of religion, they are violent and insecure fools, killing for a cause they barely grasp the meaning of.

it was the same in the 11th/12th centuries and the Crusaders - they marched in the name of Christ and their actions were very un-Christ like.

Religious extremists do untold damage to the religions they represent.

Quoting Raffik (Reply 30):
I don't think these posts are worthwhile. We shouldn't go round mocking other cultures and religions, even if they are like the above.

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Wed May 24, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting Raffik (Reply 30):
True. I don't think these posts are worthwhile. We shouldn't go round mocking other cultures and religions, even if they are like the above.

Well put habibi!  Smile

Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 34):
it was the same in the 11th/12th centuries and the Crusaders - they marched in the name of Christ and their actions were very un-Christ like.

Religious extremists do untold damage to the religions they represent.

I agree. Yet I don't wanna excuse anything fanatic, you have a point. Islam is not Wahabism, and Muslim culture is far from being just one thing.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 33):
This is what happens in some places in Pakistan where Wahabii schools are lavish operations compared to what the government can offer.

Yes it seems as if Afghanistan has spilled over into Pakistan. There are some quite concerning elements in Pakistan, and those elements are also against Musharraf.

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Thu May 25, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 24):
In Catholic school I was taught that every one who wasn't Roman Catholic and in a state of grace went to hell when they died. Except for the babies who went to limbo

I don't remember the first bit being taught to me, and I'm only a few years removed from that schooling. However, I do recall the whole idea of unbaptised babies going to Limbo, but maybe they enjoy it...



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Quoting Cfalk (Reply 28):
As I recall, the concept of Limbo went away after Vatican II, over 40 years ago.

Yes, this is true...but let's not forget that people born before Vatican II are still teaching today, so they add their own flavor to the mix, lol.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 28):
I was educated by the Jesuits (also known as "the Pope's Commandos")

 rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 28):
We were taught that God, for His own reasons, decides to reveal himself to different people in different ways, and that we should not judge other faiths, so long as they are not actually hurtful

 checkmark That about sums it up for me.

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 24):
In Catholic school I was taught that every one who wasn't Roman Catholic and in a state of grace went to hell when they died. Those of you who went to Catholic school know what I'm talking about.

I went to Catholic school for many years and wasn't taught that. Sounds like you're alone on this one....






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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 2:52 am

In related news, American textbooks report that evolution is a hoax and the earth is flat.

The Saudi Minister of Education, Sheikh Wassim bin Abdullah II, said that he was delighted that the infidel and morally corrupt United States had seen the light and had decided to follow the teachings of the Old Testament.

"My third wife, Samira, may look like a camel, but I know that she was not born from one," said the Minister. "In fact, I've seen her parents and they are quite human - so this evolution thing is a lie."

"And everyone knows the earth is flat. Just looking out of my window I can see sand stretching for miles to the ends of the earth. And its all flat."
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 10):
The Ultimate Infidel

Jesus is not an infidel under Islam as you seem to think. You might want to do a little more reading up before you go mouthing off about stuff you know little about.

Back on topic Japanese students are taught a very watered down version of WWII and of Japan's colonial past. That's not too much better in my opinion.

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 39):
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 10):
The Ultimate Infidel

Jesus is not an infidel under Islam as you seem to think. You might want to do a little more reading up before you go mouthing off about stuff you know little about.

Indeed. From everything I've ever seen on Islam, Jesus is considered one of the great Prophet's, maybe the second greatest to Mohammed. So, if Jesus is a great Prophet, how are Christians infidels? And how are Jews infidels, since Jesus was a Jew, and since all three religions are all branched or anchored in one way or another in what Christians call the "Old Testeament"? Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, and many others, are all mentioned in all three faiths.

So why do some Muslims say that Jew and Christian are infidel, when they all worship the same God, and have the same roots? It makes no sense.
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 39):
Back on topic Japanese students are taught a very watered down version of WWII and of Japan's colonial past. That's not too much better in my opinion.

Apples and Oranges. Japanese kids are not going out and killing people by the thousands.
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
So why do some Muslims say that Jew and Christian are infidel, when they all worship the same God, and have the same roots? It makes no sense.

Religion in general does not make sense, nor is it supposed to.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 41):

Apples and Oranges. Japanese kids are not going out and killing people by the thousands.

So if German history textbooks started claiming that the holocaust never happend you'd be ok with that?


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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 42):
So if German history textbooks started claiming that the holocaust never happend you'd be ok with that?

Of course not. But German kids are not going out and killing anyone either.

Face it. Muslims are the only group in the world who are putting out such propaganda and acting on it.
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 42):
So if German history textbooks started claiming that the holocaust never happend you'd be ok with that?

Why is it you bring in holocaust? Can't you show us the respect and not mention it like you do?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
So why do some Muslims say that Jew and Christian are infidel, when they all worship the same God, and have the same roots? It makes no sense.

They are not infidels!
Infidels are those who have no faith or is practicing a non-monotheistic faith I.E multiple G-ds or no G-d.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 38):
In related news, American textbooks report that evolution is a hoax and the earth is flat.

definately a problem!

Quoting YOWza (Reply 39):
Back on topic Japanese students are taught a very watered down version of WWII and of Japan's colonial past. That's not too much better in my opinion.

Good point, I think it is disgusting to ignore the past like this.

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Windshear (Reply 44):
Why is it you bring in holocaust?



Quoting Windshear (Reply 44):
Good point, I think it is disgusting to ignore the past like this.
 
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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 45):

I stil think it is a cheap shot!

Even if the past is being distorted, which I find disgusting, this is the future of Saudi Arabia, not the US or Japan or Germany for that matter.

Children down to the first grade is being brainwashed with hatred and descrimination, don't forget or ignore the slight difference between the examples given, and the relevant issue raised in the topic.

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:38 am

As YOWza has been saying, even if people are not acting on it, believing in a false history taught to you is dangerous on many levels. We should learn from our own history, but if we don't know the proper history, how will we?

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 47):
As YOWza has been saying, even if people are not acting on it, believing in a false history taught to you is dangerous on many levels. We should learn from our own history, but if we don't know the proper history, how will we?

I agree with you very strongly on this, as I have made clear before.
I just don't see the need for us to pull Germany and the Holocaust into all of this.

The examples given are very good, and are of great concern for me as well, but given Saudi Arabia's current situation I think there is a big difference.
Having said that, I do not mean that the other two deserves to be ignored in any way.

Did I make my self clear on this??

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RE: This Is A Saudi Textbook!

Thu May 25, 2006 4:59 am

But its good that by the 10th grade, Saudi kids learn Math

Math Lesson 1: Short division

"Blood money for a woman: Half of the blood money for a man, in accordance with his religion. The blood money for a Muslim woman is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, and the blood money for an infidel woman is half of the blood money for a male infidel."

By the time they're in the 12th grade and ready for the Saudi SATs, they can answer questions like these:

Q1: If a Saudi woman marries a man who himself was the offspring of an infidel and a believer, how much is she worth on market day?

(a) Nothing. She should be stoned.
(b) Less than a camel, but more than a goat.
(c) Not enough information provided.
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