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Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 2:55 pm

I've suffered from depression since I was 12/13 years old. I'm 19 now, and still suffer from it. Sometimes things are okay, and a lot of times they're not. I've taken medications, gone to therapy, the works, yet nothing has worked for more than a few months. I just wanted to discuss what it's like for others who have/have had depression or those who haven't at all, and what they think about it, and what has worked and hasn't worked for you.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:07 pm

I'm a far-left liberal living in Texas. You'd better believe I've been depressed. Big grin

Yeah, it gets better. Then it gets worse again. That's how life is. If nothing works, try something else. Try something you never thought you'd do. Go visit the world, see how other people think and get another perspective on life. Try to overcome your fears. Try to let things roll off your back and don't assume that the only way to beat depression is to become some sort of 24/7 happy-go-lucky type. There are events in life that are not supposed to be happy or fun. They can be terrible and depressing and sometimes that's perfectly normal. Just don't let yourself get caught up too much in any one event. Learn to let go of bad memories. Learn to accept that you're not perfect and that you never will be. Just focus on issues and traits that you have control over and don't spend too much time worrying about events and situations beyond your sphere of influence.

Okay, that's about all I can add with what you've posted so far.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:22 pm

Clinical depression is difficult, as I'm sure you are aware. I guess a blessing for you is that you were diagnosed early, as opposed to people just assuming you were a wierd kid that would eventually grow out of it.

I have never suffered from it but seem to be close to a lot of people who do, (not sure if I'm some sort of carrier??). There really seems to be no pattern to what treatments they have and how well they do. I guess if I were to be pressed for an answer, I would say that drugs seem to have a levelling effect, and eliminate most of the extreme lows, but it's still a restrictive way to live. Medication lpays a big part though.

Quoting SATX (Reply 1):

Are you referring to clinical depression, or just occasionally being down or getting stuck in a rut? The two are quite different, although I agree with you, seizing life by the horns and trying something different can help. Unfortunately a lot of clinically depressed people are not really in a position to make such decisions.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:29 pm

I'm not a physician but maybe your diet/eating habits are contributing to your depression.

Speaking for myself, whenever my blood sugar is low or if I'm not eating properly, I tend to feel down. Also, sleep habits may contribute to depression. Not enough or too much sleep may be a cause. Not getting enough REM sleep may cause depression.

There could be a combination of things which contribute to your depression; diet, eating habits, sleep, environment, chemical imbalance in the brain, repressed memory, ...Check into at least some of these things and see if changing some of them will help a little bit, anyway.

Lastly, SESGDL, try to have a good day  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:30 pm

I've had it, nothing works for me either, except speed. Lots and lots of speed. They discovered I really did have ADD when I didn't respond to any SSRI's and stuff, and they added speed to the mix as a last hope. I took to it like a fish to water, so that's all I take now.

If you're not able to stabilize on anything, it might be you're cycling, which is a whole different beast, and needs to be treated separately.

The whole process of getting treated for depression is depressing itself. I never went through a worse period than the initial treatment, which lasted a few years.

Do you know why you're depressed? Has anyone figured out your triggers? Also what lifts you out?

The internet isn't really the place to get treated, of course, but ask away if you have any questions.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:37 pm

Admittedly, I am not school in depression, or psychology, much, for that matter. This may sound obvious, but to me, depression is a state of mind, and no one controls your mind but you. It's up to you how you feel. Take time to make yourself happy.

That being said, I understand chemical imbalances and such, but I still believe that we can consciously control our own biologies. Mind over matter.

Also, age and experience helps a great deal. You are young. You've yet to experience many things that will show you new ways of coping with emotions and situations.

Hope that helps and good luck, Jeremy!

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 2):
Are you referring to clinical depression, or just occasionally being down or getting stuck in a rut?

Both. If the drugs and therapy aren't working, maybe it's time for a change. Maybe it's time to get away from the people and places that are remind you how depressed you've been for all these years. Even if you end up unable to kick the depression, at least you'll get to see and do things that just sitting on your ass at home won't provide you.

Keep in mind that I don't subscribe to the premise that every life is a blessing from God. I think some lives are just plain terrible and barely worth living. If that's the kind of life you have then there are two main choices you can make. You can simply end it, or you can try to get as much out of it as possible while you're still here. Either way, more power to you. The only wrong answer is to just keep doing exactly what you've been doing the whole time you were depressed. Either get it over with or go make a name for yourself. Just don't sit there withering away in a permanent funk and expect anything to get better on it's own.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 5):
You've yet to experience many things that will show you new ways of coping with emotions and situations.

That's very true. There's the whole cognitive awareness aspect. I truly believe that one can teach themselves to act in depressive ways, and therefore must be able to teach themselves opposing actions/thoughts.

(See? Once BAB gave himself a new motto, he said something brill!)
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):

The internet isn't really the place to get treated, of course, but ask away if you have any questions.

I'm not sure why, but the internet seems to be something of a magnet for depressed folks. They've been on every forum I've ever joined over the last decade, no matter what the subject matter was.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
They've been on every forum I've ever joined over the last decade, no matter what the subject matter was.

Perhaps, you are the one that's depressing the masses  Wink

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
(See? Once BAB gave himself a new motto, he said something brill!)

I don't know whether to be flattered or offended.  scratchchin  Flattered it will be!

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 9):
Flattered it will be!

Good choice!  thumbsup 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 4:19 pm

Whilst I'm sure that what you eat etc will contribute to your state of mind, in fact, the real causes will be somewhere in the dim and distant past, maybe something which you're not even immediately aware of but is stored in your sub-concious.

Please bear in mind I'm no psychologist. I don't mean to be personal, nor would I expect you to answer these questions publicly in this forum, but you should consider these and many more;

  • were you ever mistreated as a child by anyone?
  • were you ever bullied at school?
  • were you second favourite to a brother or sister?
  • were you in any way made to feel inadequate/a failure?
  • are you comfortable with your sexuality?
  • are you bored? - 85% of stress is apparently caused by boredom!
  • etc etc etc .........

This list is not in any way exhaustive but it's an idea of some of the things you might explore. As I said, you might not even be aware of these things but you should at least explore these possibilities and many others.

There may be things you discover which you don't like but putting them back to the back of your mind instead of dealing with them is the worst thing you can do - confront people, confront yourself, get answers, find out why things were the way they were, are the way they are, etc etc.

I always knew I was gay but got married because it seemed like the right thing to do, I was scared of coming out. My god, when my wife left me for other reasons and I decided to face up to it and come out, my psychological state improved ten fold over a number of months - it was like lifting a huge weight from my mind!

I have a friend who was always made to feel a failure by his parents and believe me this has impacted massively on his currently state of mind (he couldn't work for 6 years!). Years of talking to people about it, therapy and confronting his parents to get answers have moved him to being a much happier, more balanced, person.

Remember, drugs will not cure depression, they will merely mask the emotions by increasing the levels of serotonin in the brain ('the happy chemical'), making you feel better. Stop the drugs and the underlying cause of the depression will probably win over and drag your serotonin levels back down and you'll hit rock bottom again.

My advice to you, explore the possible causes and confront them head on - there might be some painful times ahead in the short term but it will pay dividends in the long run!

I wish you all the very best - you have my thoughts.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 4:53 pm

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 11):
Remember, drugs will not cure depression, they will merely mask the emotions by increasing the levels of serotonin in the brain ('the happy chemical'), making you feel better. Stop the drugs and the underlying cause of the depression will probably win over and drag your serotonin levels back down and you'll hit rock bottom again.

My advice to you, explore the possible causes and confront them head on - there might be some painful times ahead in the short term but it will pay dividends in the long run!

I would agree with the above. Having suffered from depression for quite a while I tend to just fight the feelings rather than take drugs etc for a happy fix. Perhaps councelling might also help, but its not something ive ever tried.

I know the main things that cause my depression, so its just a case of fighting it when it happens, and trying to improve things and achieve my aims when its not. Its not easy but nothing ever is.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:05 pm

I was very depressed last year, after my ex-girlfriend that I had been together with for 2 years broke up with me. For me it was like the end of the world, and very hard to understand that everyone around me continued their lives as usual. I really loved her and still do, but I don't think my chances with her are that great anymore.

That together with that my dad from time to time has talked down to me since I was little, has probably contributed to a major depression I had last year. I felt that I could not speak with anyone about it, and going to a psychoatrist for me was embarrasing, which was stupid to think that way, because I realise now that it would have been the best solution to talk to a professional about my problems.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:14 pm

Yeah, I'll put my hand up too.

I've been mildly to severely depressed in the past. I've been on medication and fully control my life. The first sign of it I make a move to get things fixed. A proactive approach works best for me. Ironically, the surge of energy I get when I'm trying to combat depression has a habit of lifting me out of it.

I find (in consultation with a doctor) lots of exercise, good food, and as much sleep as you need help exponentially.

I place very high standards on myself professionally, and a career in politics can be extremely stressful. But I firmly believe that being open about this and other mental illnesses is a firm step in the right direction.

I have great respect for those above who are prepared to admit they sometimes struggle (or are struggling) with depression. This forum can be a little cut-throat at times, but I'm confident all who read this thread will be mature about what has been written.

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 3):
I'm not a physician but maybe your diet/eating habits are contributing to your depression.

Don't eat wheat/gluten! I have wheat occasionally now after about 5 years with none of it, but if I overdo it I don't feel too good. At least I know the cause/effect. Not necessarily clinical depression but feeling down, listless, aimless, not interested in aircraft.... (and that's the real bind)
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:50 pm

Depression is an awful thing. I suffered badly after I split with my first wife, to point of attempting suicide. "Normal" people don't understand it, they are in the main very dismissive of it and, unless you actually suffer from it, you can understand why.

I also suffered a nervous breakdown a few years ago, triggered by some trivial action which lasted around 3-4 months. For the first few weeks I couldn't even go outside without someone being with me.

I'd like to say I am better now, but it still lurks and some days I feel like jacking everything in and jumping off a cliff. Fortunately, the councelling I recieved has given me the strength and understanding to cope with it and now I just shrug and get on with life. Such as it is!

My sympathies go out to anyone suffering from this heinous affliction.

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 16):
"Normal" people don't understand it, they are in the main very dismissive of it and, unless you actually suffer from it, you can understand why.

A bit like our Prime Minister, telling people with mental illness to "get over it" and "get on with life".

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 16):
"Normal" people don't understand it, they are in the main very dismissive of it and, unless you actually suffer from it, you can understand why.

Mmm. I remember a friend of mine going through full-blown depression after he split with his girlfriend - and he only went out with her for a month or two. The difficulty is in trying to remain sympathetic (in the true sense of the word) month after month after month without any apparent sign of improvement. I did find it very hard to be that friend over so long a period when he was such appalling company throughout.

Could I have done better? I'm sure I could. The only thing I could say was that I lasted a lot longer than almost everyone else who shunned him reasonably quickly, which of course hardly helps. But what I would say, is that very often the person going through the depression doesn't realise the ruinous effect they are having on the people who care about them. They can be a nightmare to be around. Given that he was "just" a friend, I was never in the position that families go through.

Difficult for all involved.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 6:17 pm

Clinical Depression runs in my family, along with all sorts of Anxiety's... I don't get the anxieties... (My father has panic attacks when he goes to strange places and I believe my grandfather had Agoraphobia and I believe my aunt gets it sometimes too)

The depression, I believe I get but I don't know how to deal with it, I had ADHD when I was younger and all the drugs that I was on kinda put me into a position of hating drugs...

I know I should see a doctor about it but I think the fear of knowing I actually have it is greater than just thinking I may have depression
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 17):
A bit like our Prime Minister, telling people with mental illness to "get over it" and "get on with life".

QFF

Alas, that happens everywhere. When the boxer Frank Bruno was briefly sectioned, the Sun plastered the appalling headline "Bonkers Bruno Locked Up", for which they were rightly castigated.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 7:35 pm

Been there, done that and threw the pills away, unpalatable as the Aussie PM's remarks were, there is a grain of truth in as much as thinking is the worst enemy of a depressed person, if you're prone to depression you have to fill your life with activity or stuff (like reading) that keeps you from dwelling on things.

If you treat the condition as an unwelcome enemy, one that you must do combat with, it becomes a detached thing and not a part of you, if you feel it is part of you, or something you "deserve" it will get you. Give it a name, Winston Churchill called his "The Black Dog"...call yours Neville, so you can just give it an identity, then, when Neville comes back, you will see it as an incursion by a third party rather than a mental state and you can fight it, as QFF rightly states, the energy put into fighting it can get you out of it.

There is a sound basis for this as clinical depression is all about the chemical mix in your brain, if you can manufacture the chemicals yourself (you can, we all can) it is far safer than taking pills.

Give it a go, its free and can't hurt you, unlike some of the pills the Doc will give you. I don't think modern medicine really treats depression in the right way, taking pills and talking to barking mad psychiatrists is no help at all.

You have the power to beat it, you just need to define "it", the rest is easy.

Go for it and good luck, IM me anytime you wish, everything good in my life occured AFTER my breakdown...funny that.


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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 7:49 pm

hello my name is matthias and im in college atm
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 7:53 pm

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 22):
hello my name is matthias and im in college atm

And..........?
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 22):
hello my name is matthias and im in college atm

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Are you lost, there, buddy?
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Thu May 25, 2006 8:44 pm

Yes I have it. I've been able to get through it by changes in lifestyle such as exercise, eating properly and trying to maintain an active lifestyle.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 3:49 am

Thanks for responding guys. And I was referring to clinical depression, not feeling down sometimes, in case anyone was wondering.

I'm going to go back to therapy and change meds to see if anything helps, and I'm gonna start exercising more. Thanks for what everyone has said.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 3:51 am

you have to make a distinction between having Major Clinical Depression or simply feeling "blue" for a few days. It is important to understan that a person who has an attack of Major Clinical Depression, has a 50% chance of having another one, and once they've had two, they have a 75% chance of a third.

Antidepressants do not help everybody. About 65% of people on anti-depressants will not react at all to them. Also, anti-depressants without therapy is kind of useless. You need therapy to find out what is in you, in your relationships with other peole, in your daily conduct, that you can change to reduce the risk of another attack. Taking anti-depressants on their own might make you feel better, but if nothing changes in your life, it's a losing proposition.

Keep in mind that it's also a fatal disease. 15% of the people with Major Clinical Depression (Clinical Depression without the "Major" is the same) committ suicide.

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 2):
seizing life by the horns and trying something different can help

This is a major misconception. Clinical depression will not be cured by this. And it's counter productive to suggest anything of the sort, because it prevents the person to look for the help he needs.

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 3):
I'm not a physician but maybe your diet/eating habits are contributing to your depression.

Absolutely not. Those have nothing to do with depression

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
The whole process of getting treated for depression is depressing itself

That depends on each person. Some might find it depressing. Others will find it a relief.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Do you know why you're depressed? Has anyone figured out your triggers?

While this is sound advice, and you do need to find your triggers, you need to do this with professional help. I have found the best professional help is a Psychiatrist. However, some Clinical Depression cases do not have any triggers.

Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 5):
depression is a state of mind, and no one controls your mind but you. It's up to you how you feel. Take time to make yourself happy.

Crap. If you have Clinical Depression you can try to control your mind. It's simply not possible. It's a physical issue, not a state of mind.

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 11):
Remember, drugs will not cure depression, they will merely mask the emotions by increasing the levels of serotonin in the brain ('the happy chemical'), making you feel better. Stop the drugs and the underlying cause of the depression will probably win over and drag your serotonin levels back down and you'll hit rock bottom again.

Right. That is why along with the meds, you need counseling at the same time. As I mentioned before, a psychiatrist is the best, if you find one specialized in depression, all the better.

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 11):
explore the possible causes and confront them head on

Agreed. But you need to do this over time, and with a professional in sessions.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
I find (in consultation with a doctor) lots of exercise, good food, and as much sleep as you need help exponentially.

Exercise, good sleep an a doctor, are great aids in fighting depression. Food, does not play a big role in this case.

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 16):
Depression is an awful thing. I suffered badly after I split with my first wife, to point of attempting suicide.

Remember, 15% of people immersed in depression will committ suicide. I am glad for you, Skidmarks, that you did not.

Quoting Banco (Reply 18):
I did find it very hard to be that friend over so long a period when he was such appalling company throughout.

Yes, but what are friends for? Now, if that person is not doing anything to help him/herself it can become very frustrating. But you are still the friend.

About me. My first clinical depression episode was 10 years ago. It was a major one. Lasted for 8 months. Meds and a psychiatrist helped me and I got out of that black hole.

Five years ago, I had my second episode. The problem if you don't look for help, is that you will usually fall into a cycle of substance abuse and alienation of everyone else. In my case, that happened. But, again, meds and a psychiatrist got me out.

I had a third episode three years ago. This was minor, but still, an ugly black hole. Again, meds, and the good doctor helped me and I'm ok now.

But I know this is something I will have to live with the rest of my life. You should be aware of that too. Fortunately, long term anti-depressant use have shown to diminish the intensity and frequency of the attacks. Today, the anti-depressants in the market are higly effective, and their side effects are minimal. You can have a normal, productive life on anti-depressants and therapy for the long term. I have ten years with anti-depressants and I can tell you nobody would notice any difference.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 27):
While this is sound advice, and you do need to find your triggers, you need to do this with professional help.

I believe I said that here:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
The internet isn't really the place to get treated, of course



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 26):
I'm going to go back to therapy and change meds to see if anything helps, and I'm gonna start exercising more.

Glad to hear you're continuing on. Good luck!
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 4:14 am

Depression truly is awful, I know this from experience  Sad

It hit me badly a couple of years ago when my engagement ended, as many of you will remember.

I hope not to go down that path again, I was lucky to get thru it the last time.



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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 1):
I'm a far-left liberal living in Texas. You'd better believe I've been depressed.

Amen, brother!  Silly

On a serious note, yes I have. It was a tough 5 or 6 years. Finally got over it a few years back. If you need to talk, send me a message over this here doohickey.

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:11 am

Yeah, I’ve experienced depression.
Some 9 years ago I was successful in my particular field and even started my own business.
Things started to change for me. Nothing in particular but few things that, all coming together, built up over a period and I felt myself going down hill. I remember clearly the day I “brokedown”.
I lost my home and many so called friends through it.
I ended up living for a few weeks in a half-way house. Which I thought at the time was the worst thing that could happen.
I was lucky to have the support of my family, although only now do I realise what I put them through. I nearly lost them too.
I was under the care of a consultant psychiatrist for 3 years and the CPN visited weekly. Eventually I was re-housed into a bed-sit bungalow, which then became my prison cell for 3 years. I went through a stage, lasting almost a year, when I didn’t leave home except to visit the post office and off-licence once a fortnight.
At one stage I was admitted to the local psychiatric hospital, where their solution was to keep people drugged up and therefore suppress any problems that may arise.
With the support and help of the local mental health team I was eventually re-housed to where I am now, which I’m glad to say is a great little house in a pleasant area.
Shortly having moved in here (6 years ago) I had to have my dog put down. He had been my companion all the way through the depression. The day he was put down I went on a bender. A big bender. As far as I remember the hangover lasted 3 days.
Once the hangover had gone and my head had cleared I realised I was at a crossroads in my life. I was 41 and could go one of 2 ways.
I chose to try and get my life back in order rather than go down the road I was travelling.
I started work again 7 months after I moved in here and feel life is good.
I still have times when the depression is around. I call it a visit from my black dog.
When it happens, I now know how to deal with it and it goes away after a couple of days.
Let’s hope the stigma of mental illness will soon be banished.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:24 am

Clinical Depression can happen to anyone of any age at any time. Depression is also found in the animal world.

Everyone has the blues. Depression cannot even be compared to that. Depression transforms your thought patterns. It provides it’s own logic and it’s own rationale. It prevents people from understanding themselves and it prevents others from understanding those who are depressed. There is no greater loneliness in this world than being in depression. When you are in depression others will notice it and some will be affected by it, but nobody will share it with you. Ask anyone who has ever suffered from prolonged depression and they will tell you that intense physical pain is preferable to the emotional pain they have experienced.

True depression is about a chemical imbalance that is triggered by events, environment, physical ailments, food, allergies, and even memory. For some people the triggers of depression are quite specific, while for others, it can run a gamut of causes.

Ignorance is probably the greatest factor in sustaining and amplifying depression. I know many people who suffer from depression and they themselves don’t even realize it. Quite often personal pride and acceptance are the culprits. Even the most sympathetic individuals towards the mental illness of others will often refuse to accept the fact that they too have been thrown in to the deep, dark pit. They see depression as a weakness or a character flaw and proclaim proudly and defiantly that they will, “deal with it myself.” They will start intensive self analysis or worse, they will simply ignore the situation and pretend that life is just wonderful.

Good for them. How many people who are diagnosed as diabetic or paralyzed in some accident state that they will deal with it themselves?

Why do people seek treatment and support when they have cancer, but refuse any assistance when they are diagnosed with depression? Is having cancer a weakness or a mark against their character?

Refusing to accept any major health problem merely postpones the inevitable crash and makes recovery more difficult and much longer to accomplish. The downward spiral of depression can seldom be stopped, but it can be slowed and the landing made less harsh, IF people can learn to admit they are ill. However, most people will not.

It takes a great deal of courage to acknowledge that one is afflicted with depression. It takes courage to admit one needs help to recover. It takes courage to face a world where those nearest and dearest to you might think differently of you, treat you differently, scorn you, disbelieve you, and quite often abandon you. And some friends and family WILL behave just as I’ve described. It will be of little comfort to know that that makes THEM more screwed up than you are, but it is so.

People in depression don’t want to be protected, or coddled, or cheered up. They want their loved ones to understand that depression is a rough road and that they are still loved, and when the depression is over, they need to know they will still have people to share their lives with and not be judged for having been sick.

Never tell a person in depression to “snap out of it”. It’s about as compassionate as telling a person with leukemia to just “snap out of it.”

Don’t try to tell a depressive how he or she should feel. Instead, ASK them how they feel. Give them a hug and tell them the truth whether it be, “I don’t understand, but I’m still here for you.” Or “I wish you didn’t have to go through this.” Or even try, “I know you feel like crap, but never give up hope.”

It is horrible to see someone you love suffering and it can be frustrating. Keep in mind that the depression is NOT about you…it’s about them. For your own piece of mind, accept the fact that you cannot completely cheer them, or change them, or make their depression go away. Sometimes the ONLY thing you can do for someone in depression is to sit silently with them. That may not seem like much, but once that person begins to recover, you will have no idea how valuable your presence alone during that nightmare will mean to a recovering depressive. Unless you’ve been through depression yourself, you can never totally realize the basic act of getting out of bed in the morning and facing another day of misery as being a worthy accomplishment.

There is a history of depression in my family. My mother was manic depressive and so is my brother. There were no signs of depression in me until shortly after my parents died. I may have been able to handle the grieving without long lasting effects. However, my role within the immediate family and in branches of the family tree was of the “fixer”. It was I who always kept the paths smooth for others. I dealt with the less pleasant aspects of life on behalf of family members. Unfortunately, and through no intentions of their own, family members brought great pressure on me to make things better for them after my parents died. I could not handle the grief of my own loss combined with the enormous demands made on me by others at the time. And I crashed.

Through talk therapy and minimal daily doses of an anti-depressant, I live a life that is nearly depression free. I say nearly because a couple of times a year, for a couple of weeks each time, I find myself in a dark place. Thankfully, it is nothing like it once was. And I have learned how to keep that from happening ever again. My way of dealing with the odd depressed state is quite simple. I ride out the storm. I’ve learned that tomorrow may or may not be better. And if it is not, then perhaps the next day. I know eventually that I will come out of it and each time it is much easier to get back on my feet again.

Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of. The fear of it can be overcome. Attitudes can be changed through education and information. Depression is like most tragic things in life….ignoring it won’t make it go away. Not all treatments work the same for everybody. If one way isn’t working for you, then try another. Keep going and yes, one day you will once again find yourself free from that dark pit.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:28 am

Yup, But I will not go into detail.
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:31 am

Suffer from it as well, my situation has been very similar to what others have posted so far. And would gladly knock Tom Cruise into next year for his lack of knowledge on the subject!
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:50 am

I was bullied since kindergarten up until I was 17 and left school. On top of that, I have Asperger syndrome, which also makes it easier for me to get depressions. I was suicidal, hallucinating and even did attempt to kill myself. So, yes, I've certainly had a depression.

I was treated with medicine and a new type of light treatment... they basically shine a special type of light in your face... it actually works, as stupid as it sounds.  Wink

I can still get depressed today, and I may go down again at some point- even though it isn't likely. So i guess I'm doing pretty well.

It was the worst time of my life though and I would never wish it to happen to my worst enemy..
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Jap (Reply 35):
It was the worst time of my life

I have to agree with that  Sad





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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Jap (Reply 35):
I was bullied since kindergarten up until I was 17 and left school. On top of that, I have Asperger syndrome, which also makes it easier for me to get depressions. I was suicidal, hallucinating and even did attempt to kill myself. So, yes, I've certainly had a depression.

Yeah I have to admit that I was bullied in elementary school as well. One of the things I was bullied for was my love for aviation lol. The other boys found it weird that I didn't like soccer and so on.

Quoting Jap (Reply 35):
I can still get depressed today, and I may go down again at some point- even though it isn't likely. So i guess I'm doing pretty well.

Yeah, same situation I am in. I do get depressions from time to time, but not nearly as serious as the one I had last year where I also was suicidal. I never tried to commit suicide, but I thought about it several times though.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 36):
Quoting Jap (Reply 35):
It was the worst time of my life

I have to agree with that

Check. After my mother's death, I'm still not OK yet.

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 27):
Crap. If you have Clinical Depression you can try to control your mind. It's simply not possible. It's a physical issue, not a state of mind.



Quoting AR385 (Reply 27):
Absolutely not. Those have nothing to do with depression



Quoting AR385 (Reply 27):
This is a major misconception. Clinical depression will not be cured by this. And it's counter productive to suggest anything of the sort, because it prevents the person to look for the help he needs.

This kind of nihilistic approach won't help much either, the key to depression is not make any avenue seem closed or not worth it, we all respond differently but a depressed person needs to see the positives and potential in life, not be told that things are bleak......

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 34):
And would gladly knock Tom Cruise into next year for his lack of knowledge on the subject!

I'll help you there bro!!
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting LO231 (Reply 38):
Check. After my mother's death, I'm still not OK yet.

Sorry to hear  Sad


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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 39):
This kind of nihilistic approach won't help much either, the key to depression is not make any avenue seem closed or not worth it, we all respond differently but a depressed person needs to see the positives and potential in life, not be told that things are bleak......

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you, and my approach is not at all nihilistic. It's rather realistic.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:54 am

Hi Jeremy,

I suffered from dysthymia - a persistent depression - for more than fifteen years, starting as yours did when I was about 12 years old. My first major depressive episode was triggered by the stress of a move and social ostracization by kids in my new school. Part of my depression was severe anhedonia, meaning that I couldn't have fun or take pleasure in almost anything. You could give me the best gift in the world and I would have "put on" a smile and said thank you, then gone to hide and cry. I once stood at the edge of the Grand Canyon, thinking "I think this is beautiful, but why don't I feel it?" Luckily I never had suicidal thoughts, but death was always on my mind and I worried that if I died prematurely, people would think I did kill myself, because of my mood. I had at least five major depressive episodes during the course of my illness.

I didn't get my depression under control until my psychiatrist and I looked at the overall trend of problems. Eventually my parents and I zoned in on obsessive-compulsive behaviors and I asked my psychiatrist to investigate that as a cause of my depression. Once we began treating the OCD symptoms, my depression improved greatly.

I want to encourage you to keep taking your meds, keep seeing the psychiatrist, and keep investigating your own illness. Consider joining a therapy group so that you don't feel as alone in your depression. Be honest with yourself about what makes your mood worse and what makes it better. Consider what you are eating, how you are sleeping, and what activities you enjoy. Think about whether you have repetitive habits that make no sense, whether there are certain things that trigger sadness or anger, and the intensity of your emotions. All of those things, if you can admit them to yourself and share the information with your psychiatrist, can help with your diagnosis and treatment.

There is hope. I have been in remission for almost a full year now, after years of depression and at least twenty years of untreated OCD. I learned to accept the medication sand think of them as brain vitamins of sorts. According to my psychiatrist, I'm on a very low dose considering how severe my symptoms were when I first met him.


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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 40):
Quoting LO231 (Reply 38):
Check. After my mother's death, I'm still not OK yet.

Sorry to hear

Small steps, little pills. I'm from 5 a day 2 months ago to a 1 a day treatment...

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:05 am

I have/had depression. I was diagnosed about 3 years ago although I suspect I suffered from it for probably at least 10 years before that. I used to go to kiddy therapy since I was 6 years old til I was about 10, right after my parents got divorced. FWIW I was also bullied, mostly because I was foreigner in a very red state (South Carolina.)

I had some happier times but in hindsight, I remember having a lot more saddening moments in my teen years than happy moments. I tried filling that void with alcohol and drugs in my late teens/early 20s but I realized that was going to be an even deeper hole to dig myself out and it just wasn't "me." I finally went back to therapy for a year when I was 22 and they put me on meds. Therapy helped me realize that a big part of my depression was self-inflicted, I started adopting BaylorAirBear's example that this was something I had the mind power to overcome but some days it's overwhelming.

These days, I do have some "funks," not just a day where everything sucks, but weeks where everything sucks and I don't want anything to do with the world, not even go spotting!  Wow!
I don't take the meds anymore, instead I stop to think what has been bothering and that usually helps, finding what got me there and the little therapy I got helped me in identifying what helps me getting out of those holes.

Thanks for starting this thread, it has really been therapeutic for me to air this out.

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 44):
Thanks for starting this thread, it has really been therapeutic for me to air this out.

Ditto, I know how you feel....

Air that out whenever you want, that's what our "commune" is for...

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 27):
This is a major misconception. Clinical depression will not be cured by this. And it's counter productive to suggest anything of the sort, because it prevents the person to look for the help he needs.

If you read the rest of my post, and the post that I quote, (and query), I think you'll find that I am in agreement with you.

To re-iterate though, what I was trying to say was that along with treatment, people suffering from clinical depression can also benefit from positive lifestyle changes, however it's different for everybody.

One of the great things about clinical depression in modern times is that there is a big upsurge in the understanding of this disease. There is still a long way to go.

People who suffer from the disease not only have the disease itself to deal with, but also the public perception that the outward signs are a reflection of that person's character. It's an easy thing to do with mental illness, as ultimately it does affect behaviour.

Thank god that the public perception is changing. I think people are beginning to understand the nature of it all, and this thread is a good indicator of that.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 27):
Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 5):
depression is a state of mind, and no one controls your mind but you. It's up to you how you feel. Take time to make yourself happy.

Crap. If you have Clinical Depression you can try to control your mind. It's simply not possible. It's a physical issue, not a state of mind.

Making quotes out of context = crap.

Also, ignoring any degree of tact when responding to someone's opinion = crap.

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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 46):
If you read the rest of my post, and the post that I quote, (and query), I think you'll find that I am in agreement with you.

You are right. I apologize. It's just that it's a bit difficult to find the meaning in your post, but, my faul.
 
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RE: Depression. Anyone Experienced It?

Fri May 26, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 17):
A bit like our Prime Minister, telling people with mental illness to "get over it" and "get on with life".

I missed that one. Was it in reference to any of the recent high profile Aussie people acknowledging their own struggle with the disease? Or a general comment? He can be a bit of a foot in mouth nob sometimes.

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hello my name is matthias and im in college atm

I want to hear more from this bloke.

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