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VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Thu May 25, 2006 11:41 pm



Has anyone here had much experience with the DSG? I was out looking at the new GTI the other day, and it seems like an interesting option, but I'd be a bit concerned about long-term reliability. I understand there are two clutches inside, and wonder what a common replacement interval and cost would be.

Then again, I keep hearing that clutches on standard manual GTIs only seem to last ~40,000 miles, so I suppose it wouldn't take much to improve upon that...

Anyone with DSG thoughts and/or experience?




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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Thu May 25, 2006 11:48 pm

Well if it makes you feel any better the DSG was not designed by VWAG or built by them, but rather by BorgWarner which is know for a quality durable product.


Know clue how durable they are, or what their longevity is. They've only been in use since 2003 or so, the Audi TT 3.2 was the first major application IIRC. Transmissions in general aren't cheap to fix. Most modern electronically controlled 4-speed autos will be around $2k to replace if they go bad. As things go in a car, they are pretty complex items. But it isn't exactly like you have to replace a transmission every 50k miles. That would be unacceptable in a mass production car. As with most things as long as you don't abuse them, and follow the proper servicing schedule you should be fine.
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Thu May 25, 2006 11:49 pm

I don't know anything about the DSG or whatever that is, but I imagine they mean 2 clutch disks. That is going to give you more grab. Depending on abuse, or lack thereof, it should last longer as slippage is covered with 2 not just the one. It is also good in high power applications. Getting 40,000 out of a clutch would assume a lot of abuse going on. But some cars are ment to be driven that way Big grin.
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Thu May 25, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Thread starter):
I keep hearing that clutches on standard manual GTIs only seem to last ~40,000 miles,

What do people do with their cars?!?  Wow!
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Thu May 25, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
What do people do with their cars?!?

I'd suspect this is largely related to abuse, rather than design. Go check out the forums @ vwvortex.com. Should be more than enough info on the DSG there.
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 12:33 am

I currently own a VW Golf GTI with DSG transmission and it is absolutely fabulous to drive. There's absolutely no power loss when changing gears, either "manually" (by clicking the buttons on the steering wheels) or in automatic mode. The 0-100 km/h acceleration with DSG is better than the manual equivalent.

Before this one I had the Audi A3 3.2 with DSG, and it was just as brilliant. No trouble whatsoever. But I can't comment on long-life durability because I sold the car after 30,000 km (not because I didn't like it  Smile)

I have read comments on Volkswagen forums about people getting 150,000 km on a DSG transmission with no problems, so I guess it must be reliable. The price of a new transmission, should it break for some reason, is about $3,500.

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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 12:50 am

As far as I read, the DSG is reliable.

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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 12:59 am

I've heard nothing but positive (very positive) things about the DSG transmission. It all comes down to whether or not you want a transmission that is more or less automatic. I've never driven DSG, but I drive two cars that have SMG, and my own car has a manual transmission. They both have pros and cons. I really dont think you'll be making a mistake either way.

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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 3:20 am

I was driving a diesel Skoda Octavia 2.0L today with DSG. It runs very well except at very low speeds - up to say 5mph. It doesn't seem to like going that slow, and it seems to need a bit more foot pressure. It's OK once you get used to it, but you need to be aware of it in very slow moving traffic. My Audi diesel auto is exactly the same, so I think it's a combo of the diesel and auto together.
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 3:40 am

I work at a VW/Audi dealer, and we have not had a single DSG transmission with problems yet. I wouldn't worry about buying a car with DSG.
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 3:52 am



Thanks for the input, everyone.

DYflyer, is the DSG intended to be a more or less maintenance-free transmission, like typical automatics, or will it require eventual replacement of the internal clutch(es) at some point, like typical manuals?

Welcome to the forums, by the way.  Smile




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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Fri May 26, 2006 4:59 am

ignore - turns out the model I tested wasn't DSG

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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sat May 27, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
DYflyer, is the DSG intended to be a more or less maintenance-free transmission, like typical automatics, or will it require eventual replacement of the internal clutch(es) at some point, like typical manuals?

Welcome to the forums, by the way.

Thanks!

Consider it like a normal automatic. The clutches are not exactly like the ones in manuals, and in the DSG they will not be abused by the drivers either  Wink
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sat May 27, 2006 10:48 am

The DSG transmission is the best thing Audi and VW has, simply lightning fast and smooth, get th eones with the controls on the steering wheel....
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sat May 27, 2006 12:19 pm



So, for those of you who have driven it......in your opinion, is the DSG as satisfying and as fun to drive as a traditional manual?




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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sat May 27, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
What do people do with their cars?!?

The GTI is the sport trim in North America. The typical demographic will work the clutch a bit more aggresivly on the way to work versus someone aiming for fuel economy.  Wink
 
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sat May 27, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 5):
There's absolutely no power loss when changing gears, either "manually" (by clicking the buttons on the steering wheels) or in automatic mode. The 0-100 km/h acceleration with DSG is better than the manual equivalent

They shift faster because the next gear is already "in the box" so to speak. Thats what the double clutch is for.
 
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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sat May 27, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
So, for those of you who have driven it......in your opinion, is the DSG as satisfying and as fun to drive as a traditional manual?

Definitely yes, if not even more fun. I have converted "I will only drive a manual ever"-people to DSG, which is quite an accomplishment  Smile

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RE: VW/Audi's DSG Transmission

Sun May 28, 2006 1:15 am

Personally i think i would buy an manual. This has nothing to do with mechanics, reliability, performance or money, but i guess i'm just hard to convert.  Smile You should just go with your gut-feeling. I don't think you can go wrong with either of them.
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