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Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 7:38 am

John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition. Interesting events to follow.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 7:39 am

Why. On. Earth.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 7:44 am

And the US has control over the World Cup?

Oh yeah.... the US Government. I forgot, they control EVERYTHING.

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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 2):
And the US has control over the World Cup?

No, they wouldn't even have control over the WC when they would be the host country. The FIFA is the organisation who is deciding about the participating teams, nobody else!

I had suported a ban against Iran (because of their completely insane president), but now it is too late I think, the WC is already beginning in 14 days and I highly doubt that the FIFA will kick Iran out!

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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:12 am

No nation can 'ban' another country from participating in the world cup, and frankly, why should they? Only FIFA has that authority. And why do people insist on politicising everything? Iran might have a dickhead leader, but why should Iranian footballers, their fans and their people miss out on participating in the world cup (or any sporting event) because of their leader? Keep politics out of football.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition.

Pointless and irrelevant, only FIFA has that jurisdiction.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:21 am

It's simply a resolution urging FIFA to ban Iran....

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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition. Interesting events to follow.

Why is Mr. McCain sticking his nose into an event not being held in the United States, and it doesn't pertain to a U.S. team?

And hasn't he learned, you don't take the policies of a government out on the athletes, who, for the most part, simply want to compete for their nation?

Mr. McCain, stick to REAL U.S. government business, instead of pandering to the ultra-conservatives, 2 years before the Presidential campaign.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:22 am

In my opinion, they should, although its not like McCain's bill could do anything other than make a statement. The opitimal situation, IMO, for Iran at this point would be something along an apartheid-era South Africa thread. In addition to economic embargos, a ban on sports teams participating in international competitions, and strict restrictions on government travel.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Why. On. Earth.

2008?!?

Here's a press release from McCain's website.
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?f...r.ViewPressRelease&Content_id=1692
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 4):
And why do people insist on politicising everything?

I will not politicising this but I have to say that the Iranian team can cause a lot of problems when they are playing here in Germany. They are (or better: their president made them to a) security risk for themself and for people around, thus they should be kicked out.

There are Neo-Nazi groups who have already announced to protest for Ahmadinejad in front of the stadiums where the Iranian team is playing, they like him because he denies the Holocaust and because he announced to destroy Israel (which is by the way a crime here in Germany).

On the other hand have several 100000th of normal people announced to protest against him because they think he is a fuckwith.

Imagine now what can happen infront of a stadium where the Iranian team is playing against whoever...

The team is a security risk and should be banned from the WC because of that. Nobody would blame the Iranian team itself or the Iranian people in general, Mr. Ahmadinejad is to blame in such a case because of his incredible small brain.

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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:29 am

I see. This is from April 6th. Shades of ClipperHawaii.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
In my opinion, they should

Of course you do. Becaue you don't remember the idiocy of the Olympic boycotts back in the '80's. It doesn't change government policy; it doesn't do a damn thing but hurt the athletes.

But knowing your stripe, Jcs, I'm utterly not surprised.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
Why is Mr. McCain sticking his nose into an event not being held in the United States, and it doesn't pertain to a U.S. team?

In the realm of CW, Iran is so insane about Euro-football, (to the point they called a national celebration after Iran qualified) that banning hem from competition might put pressure on the Iranian Gov't to back off from uranium enrichment. A far-fetched idea, and I believe that FIFA rejected the resolution.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
And hasn't he learned, you don't take the policies of a government out on the athletes, who, for the most part, simply want to compete for their nation?

That's FIFA's stance. As JCS pointed out, my birth nation of South Africa was barred from competing in international sports during the years of Aparthied.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:47 am

The only team that may get kicked out of the world cup would be England due to rioting fans  duck .
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
now it is too late I think

Not necessarily. Back in Euro 1992, Yugoslavia was banned in a matter of days prior to the beginning of the tournament.

Personally, I'm against such measures, but....

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
Iran is so insane about Euro-football, (to the point they called a national celebration after Iran qualified) that banning hem from competition might put pressure on the Iranian Gov't to back off from uranium enrichment.

Or it can push them to be more radical. Now, imagine Iran qualifies for the second round and what horror would it be for security forces in Iran to control all those who would celebrate in the streets.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
In the realm of CW, Iran is so insane about Euro-football, (to the point they called a national celebration after Iran qualified) that banning hem from competition might put pressure on the Iranian Gov't to back off from uranium enrichment.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

It didn't sway the Russians to get out of Afghanistan in 1980, did it, when we boycotted? They don't work, and they only hurt the athletes. Iran will go on with it's program no matter what McCain is arguing.

That's just stupid. It's stupid and silly.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
That's FIFA's stance. As JCS pointed out, my birth nation of South Africa was barred from competing in international sports during the years of Aparthied.

And that government lasted for years despite, didn't it?
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
Of course you do. Becaue you don't remember the idiocy of the Olympic boycotts back in the '80's. It doesn't change government policy; it doesn't do a damn thing but hurt the athletes.

But knowing your stripe, Jcs, I'm utterly not surprised.

Just think of those poor, poor Iranian soccer players  crying  . You're so compassionate. When is your candlelight vigil for Uday and Qusay Hussein, again?
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:45 am

Hey, maybe we can have a vote to ban Republicans from the Human Race!

Oh, wait a minute. They already are!!!!
 
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
That's just stupid. It's stupid and silly

Did I say I support it? I was pointing out the conventional wisdom behind the thought. It's not my idea. I agree it would probably be pointless.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
And that government lasted for years despite, didn't it?

It was a shame. They arguably had the best rugby back in the 60's. One of the only South Africans to compete in international sport during the ban was the great tennis player Kevin Curren(the reason was because of his affiliation with the University of Texas, where he was an alumn) who played 17 year-old Boris Becker and lost in 4 sets.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 16):
Just think of those poor, poor Iranian soccer players . You're so compassionate. When is your candlelight vigil for Uday and Qusay Hussein, again?

That was so funny I forgot to laugh, Jcs.

Last time I checked, those soccer players hadn't harmed you and your precious CEO-wannabe, dominate-the-employees future, have they? Last time I checked, they didn't do one thing to cause any of this political crap, did they?

The thing with you, if you had your way, anyone who didn't agree with you would be banned from just about anything, because of your holier-than-thou ego, Jcs.

The U.S. Congress has no business even asking FIFA to boot out a nation in an event not even being held in the United States. I WOULD support a Sense of The Senate Resolution asking Germany not to let that screwball running Iraq in, but to take it out on the players, well, shows again that there's no such thing as "compassionate conservatism".
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
I WOULD support a Sense of The Senate Resolution asking Germany not to let that screwball running Iraq in

Screwball in Iraq?
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 10:43 am

If I am not mistaken Mexico´s first game is against Iran....

Yeah kick em out, we win by default, and please fill the missing game with a good movie...
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition.

I am sorry, but has Mr McCain given up as US politician and been elected into the German Bundestag ?  confused   scratchchin  or is he now in FIFA trying to introduce "bills" into this organisation ???
 
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 20):
Screwball in Iraq?

Haha. Sorry about that. Iran. Iran. Iran.

Jeez, one letter, and he goes nuts.  Big grin
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Jeez, one letter, and he goes nuts.

Of course. We can't have a civil end to a debate. That's like Seattle without rain.  Wink
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 20):
Screwball in Iraq?

Haha. Sorry about that. Iran. Iran. Iran.

Jeez, one letter, and he goes nuts.

Actually it looks like you had it right the first time.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.iran/index.html
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 24):
Of course. We can't have a civil end to a debate. That's like Seattle without rain.

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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 2:23 pm

If the WC was in the U.S., you can bet that the INS & the state department might revoke the visas of the Iranian players. I'm surprised no one thought of that.
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 3:27 pm

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 4):
No nation can 'ban' another country from participating in the world cup

They can if all nationals from that country aren't permitted to enter.
 
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RE: Could Iran Be Barred From The World Cup?

Sat May 27, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 28):
They can if all nationals from that country aren't permitted to enter.

in other words GERMANY could do so, at least in principle, but is a country respecting international law and decent behaviours --- THEY learnt from history

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