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Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 5:28 am

Two months ago, I decided I needed a new laptop. To my utter dismay, IBM/Lenovo didn't offer any kind of financing option. Begrudgingly, I had to settle for Dell. I picked something out, and ordered it with low expectations.

What I got was the XPS M140, and what a machine! After a fresh install of XP to clear the bloatware, it was just as fast as my desktop. I found it to be surprisingly sturdy, and the widescreen works a treat for movie viewing. Not to mention that with my two batteries, combined battery life is over 10 hours. Rock!



The only complaints I have are the weight and the general ugliness of the thing. But hey, I'd gladly trade a little visual appeal for a computer that doesn't overheat every time you want to use it for extended periods.

So has anyone else had a good Dell experience? How about a bad one? Please do share.  Smile

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Mon May 29, 2006 5:44 am

We've been a Dell family for the last few years... I think they provide the best combination of price-to-performance out there. Sure you can get a cheaper machine, but it won't work as well, and sure you can get a better machine, but it will cost you a lot more.

I'm currently using an Inspiron 6000 that I bought from the Dell Outlet for around $600... A neat thing about Dell is when someone orders a personalized system and cancels their order, Dell puts it up for sale on their outlet site for cheap.

The only problems I've had with Dell in the past are AC adapters burning out and batteries not willing to charge. Every time Dell has replaced/repaired the problem at no cost and they usually have a turnaround time under a week... Outsourced tech support is a pain in the ass though...
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 1):
Outsourced tech support is a pain in the ass though...

Ditto I called them once and just hanged up because I didn't have a clue what they were talking about.......One more thing is that the more newbish dell owners tend to thing that they have the best computer in the world even though they have the cheapest configurartion.....Nice company though I have a laptop and two desktops from Dell and it only fessed up twice....
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Mon May 29, 2006 5:59 am

My work laptop is a Dell and I haven't had any problems yet (over the last six months).

My personal laptop, the Pornshiba....err I mean Toshiba has crashed several times over the last year.
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Mon May 29, 2006 6:20 am

I bought an Dimension 9150 from their outlet. It was v cheap, and work incredibly well. V quiet, v fast and plenty of space. Dell were fantastic, though some of their phone operators can be hard to understand. Would definitely recommend them if you need a good machine on a fairly tight budget!
 
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Mon May 29, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
But hey, I'd gladly trade a little visual appeal for a computer that doesn't overheat every time you want to use it for extended periods.

As far as I'm aware the latest firmware update for the MacBook Pro has resolved the issue.

Being much thinner than the Dell and much more powerful, the MacBook Pro is of course a bit more challenging to keep cool, but apparently they've managed it.

By the way: Even the smallest MacBook (not "Pro") is more powerful, more completely equipped and comparatively priced to the Dell - the MacBook is clearly the better deal: MacBook

(All MacBooks run MacOS X, Windows, Linux and other systems if desired - even concurrently.)

[Edited 2006-05-28 23:40:19]
 
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Mon May 29, 2006 6:23 am

I've got a dell desktop and they are very good to be honest, never had a problem.
I've got two G5's and a mac book laptop too, obviously the quality is crap compared, but I've never had a problem, and certainly won't hesitate to purcahse more.
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Mon May 29, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
By the way: Even the smallest MacBook (not "Pro") is more powerful, more completely equipped and comparatively priced to the Dell - the MacBook is clearly the better deal: MacBook

I considered that, but there were a few deal-breakers:

  • The keyboard was uncomfortable
  • Everybody has/wants one; makes user look like they have no imagination
  • It's a toasty little brute!
  • I hate Mag-Safe. I've used it; found it to be really annoying
  • Screen gloss doesn't float my boat
  • Pitiful standard warranty; expensive to extend it
  • I've had countless bad experiences with Apple hardware. Not again, I say.

Besides all these, I basically needed something simple to run office, firefox, and photoshop CS2 on the road. After wiping the hard drive, this does a great job of it and offers stellar battery life. To boot, I bought this intending to chuck it in a year or so in favor of dual core. It's not a long commitment.

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Mon May 29, 2006 6:47 am

I've had very good experiences with 4 different Macs so far - plus there's not even a competition between Windows and MacOS X; Even the announced Windows "Vista" struggles to keep up with the then already obsolete current MacOS "Tiger" (to be supplanted by "Leopard" even before Vista will(?) come out at last).

But no problem if you're happy with your purchase, especially if it's only a temporary solution...!
 
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Mon May 29, 2006 6:50 am

My Dell 8600c performs well.

However the Hitachi HDD 80GB had to be replaced as there were far too many errors on the drive leading to four months poor HDD performance.

My internal bluetooth card doesn't work and they want to collect it and repair it and return it after four days. I want to find out why they won't send me an engineer.

I have found their technical support useful (most likely because they tell me what to do and they always seem to rever to a drastic solution relatively quickly (replacing the HDD / arranging an unwanted collection).

To note, their India call center holds Christmas parties with food I was told.
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
But hey, I'd gladly trade a little visual appeal for a computer that doesn't overheat every time you want to use it for extended periods.

As far as I'm aware the latest firmware update for the MacBook Pro has resolved the issue.

Being much thinner than the Dell and much more powerful, the MacBook Pro is of course a bit more challenging to keep cool, but apparently they've managed it.

By the way: Even the smallest MacBook (not "Pro") is more powerful, more completely equipped and comparatively priced to the Dell - the MacBook is clearly the better deal: MacBook

This is a pretty good place to start asking about EGT on laptops. I've always thought the exhaust air temp on the Dragon Lady's Toshiba was kinda high, I measured it yesterday and it showed 118 degrees f, I figure i may check it with a bench type digital thermometer to see what's up rather than the Weston bimetal thermometer I checked it with....

any thoughts on checking your 'puter's rectal temperature?
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Mon May 29, 2006 8:35 am

Modern computers normally have internal temperature sensors which are used to regulate the fan speed(s). You just need the respective software (built in or separate) to read from those sensors.

The exhaust temperature is not as significant as the temperatures of the cooled components themselves...
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
Outsourced tech support is a pain in the ass though...

I haven't dealt with Dell's consumer technical support, but my experience with their corporate technical support has always been excellent. This goes for the Scottish, Irish, Canadian and Indian offices - the experience is very consistent across all of them. Parts have always been replaced next business days without exception, with very friendly service. The Indian staff still provide a personal email address and manager's email for you to follow up on a service call.

I've considered a Dell laptop for personal use, but I'm put off by the cheap looking plastics that they persist in using.
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 11:35 am

Hello all

I have have no problems with my Dell 9300. Had it for 6 months now. If anyone is interested I want to sell it. It is not very handy to lug around.

Cheers

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Mon May 29, 2006 4:07 pm

I love dell! I accidentily killed my Dell Dimension 4300s! I now have a Dimension E310 with windows media center edition and 17" flat pannel monitor! With the printer it came up to $968! I love this computer! When I get a laptop Im going straight for Dell
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Mon May 29, 2006 4:18 pm

I bought a Fujitsu Siemens computer 6 months ago which I am also quity happy with. Not too expensive either, and it is USUALLY silent, but when I start FS, the graphicscard starts to make an awful lot of noise (ATI Radeon X600) Anyway, I am still quite happy with my computer, and it is very fast as well.
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 5:15 pm

I got a XPS M140 also mate. Had it since February and it is a fine machine!

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Being much thinner than the Dell and much more powerful, the MacBook Pro is of course a bit more challenging to keep cool, but apparently they've managed it.

How is it more powerful? The Dell XPS M170 you can opt out for a 512mb GeForce 7900 Go dedicated, isnt it the ATI X1600 256mb the only one for the Mac? They both come with Core Duo 2.16ghz and you can get a 120GB SATA on both. The top end Mac Book Pro comes with 1GB of RAM 667 @ DDR2...hell the Dell you can ship it for with 4GB of the same ram.
 
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Mon May 29, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 16):
How is it more powerful?

Because the XPS M140 mentioned above apparently has the older single-core CPU and the older integrated graphics chipset.

Sure you can have additional features over the current MacBook Pros in a Dell the size and style of a bathroom scale (while the XPS M140 merely looks like a smaller bathroom scale). But you'll pay handily for it in dimensions, weight and finally with being forced to run only Windows on it regardless how much you spend on a Dell.
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Mon May 29, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
Because the XPS M140 mentioned above apparently has the older single-core CPU and the older integrated graphics chipset.

Well, let's compare apples to apples here. The MacBook (McBook) also has integrated graphics. And until the time comes when most Windows programs I use become multithreaded, I'm not interested in dual core. I have a 7200rpm hard drive in mine BTW, which is something that I know Apple doesn't offer.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
Sure you can have additional features over the current MacBook Pros in a Dell the size and style of a bathroom scale (while the XPS M140 merely looks like a smaller bathroom scale). But you'll pay handily for it in dimensions, weight

I'll be the first to admit that the M140 is heavy and ugly. Frankly though, there are many things that are more important to me. Cooling, for one...  duck 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
and finally with being forced to run only Windows on it regardless how much you spend on a Dell.

That's an option I neither need nor want. Had I bought a McBook, OSX would have been freed from my hard drive in short order.

Take it easy Klaus, and try not to take anything too personally!  bigthumbsup 

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Tue May 30, 2006 12:56 am

I've never needed Dell's product support in the 2 years, 3 months that we've owned the Dimension 4600 desktop. Its performance has been flawless, and the sum total of maintenance is unplugging it and taking it outside and blowing out the cat fur with compressed air. It's so quiet that I have to look at the lights to see whether it's running.

Of course it's microsoft.......... it's quite helpful to have gone through W98 bootcamp to manage the quirks that it occasionally shows. There's a good knowledge base for common snags.
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Tue May 30, 2006 1:14 am

For those reading the praises and interested in the best deals on Dell computers, I suggest you monitor www.slickdeals.net. Be ready to move fast as they advertise limited use coupons that only last a few hours. The deals are GREAT!!

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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Tue May 30, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
Well, let's compare apples to apples here. The MacBook (McBook) also has integrated graphics.

Sure; Albeit a faster one.
Plus:
- analog and digital video output
- analog and digital audio input
- analog and digital audio output
- 10/100 and gigabit ethernet
- built-in camera
- major software package (full versions)
(The Dell lacks all that, but has an analog modem and card slots.)

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
And until the time comes when most Windows programs I use become multithreaded, I'm not interested in dual core.

Modern systems run so many processes in parallel that it almost always makes a difference in practice even with individual applications being single-threaded. Especially so under Windows with all the anti-virus crap running in the background and also if more than one application is working at the same time.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
I have a 7200rpm hard drive in mine BTW, which is something that I know Apple doesn't offer.

I doubt I'd get one in a laptop (noise, power consumption, heat). And if you really want, the MacBook lets you easily replace it in a few minutes (it's less simple in the MacBook Pro).

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
I'll be the first to admit that the M140 is heavy and ugly. Frankly though, there are many things that are more important to me. Cooling, for one...

Dell XPS M140 and Inspiron 630m Review (pics, specs):

Quote:
While the XPS M140 is quiet, it does get rather warm on the bottom and on the palm rests.  It's not a terrible amount of heat, but more than I'd like and worse than average.  It becomes uncomfortable to use on the lap after some time, especially if you're running more demanding applications that push the processor. 

Sounds pretty much the same.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
That's an option I neither need nor want. Had I bought a McBook, OSX would have been freed from my hard drive in short order.

To everyone his own - but I'd say that would be a mistake in almost every case.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
Take it easy Klaus, and try not to take anything too personally!

I just detest second-rate products getting force-fed to the market and thus ultimately convincing people to even stop looking for quality. Even though that goes more against Microsoft than against the unfortunate box assemblers like Dell who are at their mercy.

And as for the lemming-factor: You'll still be in a larger herd with the Dell than with the MacBook...!
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Tue May 30, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
So has anyone else had a good Dell experience?

Yeah, my laptop works fine (when it works). Their techical support is great once you get a dispatch number from the trained monkeys.

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
How about a bad one?

Contacting Dell is a PITA. My motherboard burned up on Wednesday, leaving my laptop useless. This is the second time it's happened, so I knew right away what the problem was. Yet the idiot at Dell had to take me through step by step troubleshooting before he finally said it was my motherboard. I just replied "really? Just like I told you 20 minutes ago?". Then he said he was going to send a tech rep to my house to change it, but I said I'd rather send it in to Dell (the tech rep around here is useless). He then kept telling me that I didn't need to because I had in-home support. After telling him several times I don't want the rep, I asked to talk to a supervisor, and then suddenly it could be sent in.

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 1):
Every time Dell has replaced/repaired the problem at no cost and they usually have a turnaround time under a week...

Same here. I sent my laptop in on Wednesday at 5PM, had it back Friday at noon. If only their tech support was run by the same people as their repair shop, Dell would be great.

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 4):
v cheap



Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 4):
V quiet, v fast

Do you have a problem with the word "very"?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
forced to run only Windows on it

Ever heard of a thing called Linux?
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Tue May 30, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 22):
Ever heard of a thing called Linux?

Sure. But many hardware component manufacturers apparently haven't - especially of those for laptops. And despite a few cosmetic improvements - Linux is still far from being usable for "normal people".
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Tue May 30, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Linux is still far from being usable for "normal people".

True enough, but it is an option, if you want to learn something. I tried using a Mac and decided that five minutes was more than enough and went back to a normal computer.
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Tue May 30, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 24):
I tried using a Mac and decided that five minutes was more than enough and went back to a normal computer

It usually takes more than five minutes to get people hooked (at that point everything still just looks alien) - but the fact that only very few of them want to go back after that does say something, don't you think?
 
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Tue May 30, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
It usually takes more than five minutes to get people hooked (at that point everything still just looks alien) - but the fact that only very few of them want to go back after that does say something, don't you think?

Maybe I'll give it another shot, if nothing else than to say I can use both Windows and Apple. My school has plenty of both.
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Tue May 30, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
IBM/Lenovo

I shuddered when i read this..

we use IBM/Lenovo machines here where I work, and they're crap.

Mine's been okay, but other people have major issues... keyboards that stop working, floating cursors (mouse servo's dying) stuff like that..

I've owned 3 Dell's in my life, and I love them. My only problem is the cost. If you want a system that will last you 3-5 years, you need to spend 5 grand.

I built a 3,600$ computer (priced at dell) for just a little over 1400$ recently..

Good call on the Laptop tho!

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Tue May 30, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 3):
My work laptop is a Dell and I haven't had any problems yet (over the last six months).

My personal laptop, the Pornshiba....err I mean Toshiba has crashed several times over the last year.

Exact same situation. I've gone through 2 Toshiba notebooks in 4 years before determining that they were crap and switched to Dell and have had no issues with their product.

Calling India to get Tech support and shipping information is another story though.

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Tue May 30, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Sure; Albeit a faster one.

Whatever. It's still integrated, you can call it what you like.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
- analog and digital video output
- analog and digital audio input
- analog and digital audio output

I don't think I'll need any of that, thanks.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
- 10/100 and gigabit ethernet

w/o a gigabit router it offers no benefit.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
- built-in camera

Good for MySpace pr0n I guess, but I have no need for it.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Modern systems run so many processes in parallel that it almost always makes a difference in practice even with individual applications being single-threaded.

I bought it as a quick mobile secondary computer with good battery life. I have my desktop for more serious stuff.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Especially so under Windows with all the anti-virus crap running in the background and also if more than one application is working at the same time.

I use a hardware firewall and some common sense for protection. You should think about doing the same. OSX isn't immune from viruses, and we've already seen some test cases. Arrogance is lethal.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
I doubt I'd get one in a laptop (noise, power consumption, heat). And if you really want, the MacBook lets you easily replace it in a few minutes (it's less simple in the MacBook Pro).

Trust me when I say that unless you live in an anechoic chamber, you won't be able to tell a difference in noise. At least in mine, battery life has been unaffected and heat isn't an issue. You may find it novel that hardware swapouts are that easy, but Windows laptops have been enjoying it for years.

Now, allow me to present this

Quote:
The heat quickly started building up after 10 minutes of spinning a CD and using the web. The fans kicked in (they're at the back) but weren't terribly noisy, and to be honest, probably kicked in too late. After about 30 minutes of usage the back left side got extremely hot...(computer crashes) I couldn't do anything to recover the web based email I'd just written. My legs were sweating from the heat on the bottom of the MacBook and now what I thought Mac's were immune from (that being crashing) had happened within the first 3 hours of usage.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
I just detest second-rate products getting force-fed to the market and thus ultimately convincing people to even stop looking for quality. Even though that goes more against Microsoft than against the unfortunate box assemblers like Dell who are at their mercy.

Comments like this really annoy me. What makes you think that Apple's product is so superior? Do you have anything at all to back up that claim?

Now I remember why you're on my RU list; you really are relentless! Seriously though, we can't keep on having these 12-page exchanges.

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Tue May 30, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
I just detest second-rate products getting force-fed to the market and thus ultimately convincing people to even stop looking for quality. Even though that goes more against Microsoft than against the unfortunate box assemblers like Dell who are at their mercy.

And as for the lemming-factor: You'll still be in a larger herd with the Dell than with the MacBook...!

Hey....I resemble that remark. All we got to say to you Klaus is

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Tue May 30, 2006 3:25 pm

I chose to switch to a Mac after finding out that they dominate the campus I'll be going to so my main concern about switching (compatibility issues) was no longer a problem. I received my MacBook last week and I've been impressed with the machine and OS X so far. I expecting switching to be a real pain in the ass, but after a day or two, I got used to working with OS X...I've found it to be pretty straightforward and intuitive. Sorry for being off topic but the whole thread's gone that way.
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Wed May 31, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 29):
I use a hardware firewall and some common sense for protection. You should think about doing the same. OSX isn't immune from viruses, and we've already seen some test cases. Arrogance is lethal.

No, we have seen no viruses so far. Only a few (two? three?) trojans which require explicit cooperation by the user (such as entering the administrator password after starting the trojan before) to get anywhere, and none of them has actually spread "in the wild".

At this point any "anti-virus" product installed on a Mac actually increases the danger as we've seen. (That's apparently the case even under Windows with the massive vulnerability discovered recently in one of the packages.)

Yes, I am careful. But since MacOS X is much less vulnerable by design than Windows is, it's more akin to navigating a bit carefully instead of constantly having to run the pumps at full tilt...

Quoting AC773 (Reply 29):
Now, allow me to present this

He has updated his page in the meantime. His MacBook apparently had a hardware defect and was replaced. Kernel-level crashes are very difficult to get on a Mac otherwise.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 29):
Comments like this really annoy me. What makes you think that Apple's product is so superior? Do you have anything at all to back up that claim?

Oh, they've got their own (much smaller) share of screwups alright. But they a) actually try to create the best possible user experience and b) have a development and design team that's up to the task.

In the "Windows world" (Microsoft and its dependent box assemblers) the most pervasive impression is that of everybody just muddling through somehow, with no clear idea of where to go next. Small wonder that even Microsoft engineers apparently consider Apple their somehow "outsourced" invention- and development department, they even dubbed Apple Redmond south in jest...

Quoting AC773 (Reply 29):
Now I remember why you're on my RU list; you really are relentless! Seriously though, we can't keep on having these 12-page exchanges.

We'll have to come to some kind of understanding, then...! Big grin

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 30):
Hey....I resemble that remark.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry to hear that!  mischievous 

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 30):
All we got to say to you Klaus is Cliffs? What stinkin' cliffs?

Watch out! The Vista ahead may be looking nice, but you're in for a rude awakening if you're not careful...!
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Wed May 31, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Oh, they've got their own (much smaller) share of screwups alright. But they a) actually try to create the best possible user experience and b) have a development and design team that's up to the task.

I have to agree with you on that bit, remarkably. The big problem with the MS model is that many things are left up to individual companies, each with their own agendas. They each play their part in the final outcome of the finished computer. There are some situations in which this system works beautifully, but I agree that all too often it goes to the dogs. The key advantage with Apple is that everything is in-house, so there's a system of checks and balances.

The only outstanding beef I have with Apple at the moment is their seeming inability to admit mistakes. Sure, they correct them through recalls and patches, but I've never seen anyone come out and own up to it. It's especially important in times like these, when the pressure is on for them to roll out their Intel rigs ASAP.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
We'll have to come to some kind of understanding, then...!

I think that's do-able. In the interest of full disclosure, I should note that I'm thinking seriously about getting an Intel PowerMac when they finally come out. I only hope they won't mess up the name too much...  biggrin 

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Quoting AC773 (Reply 33):
The only outstanding beef I have with Apple at the moment is their seeming inability to admit mistakes. Sure, they correct them through recalls and patches, but I've never seen anyone come out and own up to it.

Seeing that Apple has never had anything even remotely comparable to the hundreds if not housands of security fiascos Microsoft had so far, the low-key approach does seem more plausible than the sack-and-ashes-with-self-flagellation MS was forced to do in order to (halfway) placate the angry mob marching up to Redmond castle carrying torches and pitchforks...  mischievous 

It is relevant in this respect that the hundreds of individual security fixes Apple has published in their vast majority are concerned with vulnerabilities in server software components which are disabled by default and which no average user ever activates; None of those vulnerabilities has to date actually been exploited to harm a user.

Opposed to tens of thousands of actual active exploits with Windows which already have caused damages in the range of multiple billion $ worldwide over the years.

This may change one day (in either direction), but so far it's a very one-sided affair.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 33):
I should note that I'm thinking seriously about getting an Intel PowerMac when they finally come out. I only hope they won't mess up the name too much...

I see.

Apple has already requested protection for the name Mac Pro in several countries, apparently... Consistent, if anything.

Let's hope for the best, and continued good luck with your Dell for now...! Big grin
 
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RE: Pleasantly Surprised By A Dell? I Am...

Wed May 31, 2006 7:42 am

I just got a Sony Vaio FJ-270/B laptop and couldn't be any happier with it. Its fashionable, sleek, and very fast. Great machine.
I've never owned a Dell, but many of my friends have, and I can't say that I'm very fond of them.

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