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Wed May 31, 2006 9:09 am

I'm quoting Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez who has just said:

"The American Empire existance threatens the survival of the human race, it must be destroyed or else we'll die".

I just heard him on national TV, he's broadcasting live from the Venezuelan Embassy in Quito, Ecuador.

Yet another lunatic rant directed at the United States.

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Wed May 31, 2006 9:13 am

Ummm ok...

Hugo Chavez wouldn't happen to be drunk would he?
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:13 am

Just outta curiosity, what exactly about the so-called "American Empire" is threatening the human race? Culture? Hmm...if Venezuelans are immersing themselves in American culture (and it happens to have a negative affect), then I'd say that's a local problem...blame the citizens for absorbing it, so to speak. Definitely sounds like a nonsensical rant to me.
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:27 am

At this stage its nothing more than rhetoric to divert attention and keep the masses riled up.
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:32 am

Ya know what I think ... I think hes jealous of the US just like his buddy Castro is. He should worry about his country. Its not like Venezuela is a global power ...
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Yet another lunatic rant directed at the United States.

What do you care? Chavez seems like a wacka-doo, but what is it to you?

/M
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:42 am

I get the Economist magazine every week. I used to just skip over the Latin American section; not in recent times.  rotfl 
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 5):

What do you care? Chavez seems like a wacka-doo, but what is it to you?

Didn't we have another wack job - Osama somebody that apparently someone didn't take to seriously?
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
I just heard him on national TV, he's broadcasting live from the Venezuelan Embassy in Quito, Ecuador.

As a Ecuadorian, I am ashamed to hear that Ecuador has invited him. Then again, Ecuador

Quoting Migfan (Reply 5):
What do you care? Chavez seems like a wacka-doo, but what is it to you?

A lot of people care when their leaders say something they disagree with.
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):
A lot of people care when their leaders say something they disagree with.

Sorry, but it does not answer the question. What kind of friend is the US to Venezula? Why would their people care about us? Most of Latin America hates us, loves our money.

/M
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:54 am

That's all you had to say. Now, your premise makes more sense. I never take anything at face value.

Can the people of Venezuela impeach or over-throw Chavez. I apologize for my lack of knowledge in Venezuelan policy.

/M
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):
As a Ecuadorian, I am ashamed to hear that Ecuador has invited him. Then again, Ecuador

Remember that Chavez uses his Petrodollars to buy support around the globe. The reason he was invited is because he offered refinary capacity to Ecuador free or charge. Under the deal signed today, Ecuador will send 100,000 daily barrels of crude to be refined in Venezuelan refinieries. The refined products will then be shipped back to Ecuador so that it can consume it and export it. ALL OF THIS FREE OF CHARGE.

This spare refinery capacity is thanks to the wrecked State-run oil company PDVSA (owner of CITGO), which is in hands of pro-Chavez unqualified workers after Chavez fired 20,000 workers because they didn't support his goverment. PDVSA produces half of what it did before the massive lay-off of employees in 2003.

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Wed May 31, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
This spare refinery capacity is thanks to the wrecked State-run oil company PDVSA (owner of CITGO), which is in hands of pro-Chavez unqualified workers after Chavez fired 20,000 workers because they didn't support his goverment. PDVSA produces half of what it did before the massive lay-off of employees in 2003.

Right, not surprised. BTW, I read a report not long ago that Chavez had oversold oil and had to import oil from Russia to cover his shortfalls. What is the deal with this?
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Why does Europe love this mental pygmie so much?

It varies from country to country. Countries which are socialist (or very socialists) like France and Spain do love him. But in the Czech Republic he is regarded as a crazy man. Also, the Czechs are the second main Cuban enemy after the US because we are implementing policies against this country. The Czech Rep really does not like people like Chavez, Castro or Kim Chong-Il.
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Wed May 31, 2006 10:36 am

Besides the whole communism thing. What does everyone have against Cuba?

/M
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Wed May 31, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 21):
Besides the whole communism thing. What does everyone have against Cuba?

I think they only are against the communism thing. Cubans (ordinary people, not gov.) are known (at least in Czech Rep) to be VERY nice people. But everybody hates Castro and his regime and the human rights supressings.
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Wed May 31, 2006 11:09 am

With the liberal open border policy I'll give the Empire another 100 years.
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 11:16 am

Consider the source and ignore the other BS . . .

He's a screwball.

Sooner or later his own people will take him out.

Or someone will.
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Wed May 31, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
"The American Empire existance threatens the survival of the human race, it must be destroyed or else we'll die".

Next thing you know he will be sending Darth Vader after us.
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Wed May 31, 2006 11:41 am

Back in the late 1950's then USA Vice-President Nixon visited Venezula, he had his cars hit with stuff, people were carrying signs saying 'Yanquie go home' and near-riot conditions that endangered him and so on, so the anti-American rants there are nothing new. I agree that Chavez needs something to distract his countries' citizens from the many problems and so attacks the USA, but not without some historical cause. Consider that the USA has often supported mean, cruel and often despotic leaders in South and Central America, the Middle East and elsewhere, so long as not Commies and would allow our trade, access to oil and so on. So it is no wonder about the beheavor of Chavez and even some terrorists.
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 26):
Back in the late 1950's then USA Vice-President Nixon visited Venezula, he had his cars hit with stuff, people were carrying signs saying 'Yanquie go home' and near-riot conditions that endangered him and so on, so the anti-American rants there are nothing new.

I'm sorry but your conclusion is completely wrong. Anti-American rants here in Venezuela are very new, they started when Chavez won the presidency in 1998. The fact that Nixon was hit with stuff and people saying "Yankee Go Home" in the late 50s were acts coordinated by the Marxist Guerrilla groups operating in Venezuela at that time. The Guerrillas were financed by the Soviet Communist Party and Fidel Castro. Cuban forces alongside guerrillas invaded the Venezuelan coast a couple of times. Pro-Communist army officers tried to overthrow the democratic govt. twice and failed.

By the early 70s, all guerrillas were exterminated and communism erradicated from Venezuela. The Venezuelan communist party disbanded and many started a Centre-Left-wing party called MAS (Currently oppose Chavez).

There were no Anti-US riots or protests when President Clinton visited Venezuela in 1996. I remember the C-5's parked in CCS unloading the BlackHawk choppers which were used to take Clinton from CCS to the city.
No Venezuelan govt had ever ranted at the US before Chavez. I think that gives you an idea of why Venezuela was the first country to get F16s in the Americas outside of the US. We got 23 F16s from the US in 1983.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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Wed May 31, 2006 1:26 pm

Whoa Hugo, homie! Take the joint out of your mouth, put down the rum, and think about what you just said. Toolio here needs to calm it down, or he might get himself iced. Just exactly who was he appealing to when he mentioned the destruction of the "American Empire?"

[Edited 2006-05-31 06:27:42]
 
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Why does Europe love this mental pygmie so much?

Definitely not in the country where I live. He's seen as a sick person, to be jailed UFN.

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Wed May 31, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
I'm quoting Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez who has just said:

"The American Empire existance threatens the survival of the human race, it must be destroyed or else we'll die".

I just heard him on national TV, he's broadcasting live from the Venezuelan Embassy in Quito, Ecuador.

Something of this line of reasoning reminds me that, talented though he is as a filmmaker, George Lucas should never been seen as a political philosopher of great note, and particularly not by literalists who may also believe that Luke Skywalker and the Rebel Alliance would support the causes of the left. Luke, after all, was royalty -- hardly the type to support socialism, I would think.

Which is just a long way of saying that the moment that President Bush dissolves the Galactic Senate, I will be instantly convinced of the truth of Chavez's comments... but not before.

Until today, I had never believed Chavez to have been part of the tinfoil hat brigade, but now I'm not so sure.

[Edited 2006-05-31 08:16:00]
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Wed May 31, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 31):
Which is just a long way of saying that the moment that President Bush dissolves the Galactic Senate, I will be instantly convinced of the truth of Chavez's comments... but not before.

Well, he did say that the UN was useless....  stirthepot 

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Wed May 31, 2006 6:08 pm

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 2):
Just outta curiosity, what exactly about the so-called "American Empire" is threatening the human race? Culture?

Well, he has a point there... some of you culture is repulsive, I'm thinking white-trash pop stars, country music, your export of MTV, etc. Enough to make any quasi-dictator blow his load...

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Wed May 31, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 33):
Well, he has a point there... some of you culture is repulsive, I'm thinking white-trash pop stars, country music, your export of MTV, etc. Enough to make any quasi-dictator blow his load...

It's always the case with the pre-eminent power. Britain exported its culture around the world a couple of hundred years ago, the Spanish before that, the Romans, the Greeks..... Some of it is good, some of it is bad, but railing against reality is pretty pointless.
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Wed May 31, 2006 7:55 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):

"The American Empire existance threatens the survival of the human race, it must be destroyed or else we'll die".

HAHA
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Wed May 31, 2006 10:40 pm

There are rumors abound of Hugo needing psychological supervision in his earlier days, and today, the rumor is that the guy is so loaded up on anti-psychotics. When he says stuff like this, which is actually quite funny, I really tend to believe it. Actually, a couple days ago, he announced that America was planning an invasion of Bolivia... You better watch it, Bolivia!
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:19 am

Hey Luis: I don't like to change the subject away from "Our Hero Hugo", but have you - or anyone heard how things are going in Chile ?

A neighbor's kid is going there-to the Andes I guess-to work at a ski resort.

Any major political problems there of late ?
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
What kind of friend is the US to Venezula? Why would their people care about us? Most of Latin America hates us, loves our money.

*cough, CITGO, cough*

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Consider the source and ignore the other BS . . .

He's a screwball.

Sooner or later his own people will take him out.

Or someone will.

Yeah- it would be a real shame if he had an "accident" or something. Just sayin.
 
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Chavez has obviously read Mein Kampf. Provide the people someone to blame for all their woes, someone to hate, and you can not only stay in power but tighten your grip on it. The masses are feminine, quick to become emotional. The trick is not to give them the opportunity to think things through.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
The masses are feminine, quick to become emotional.

Cue females losing their temper right across the world upon reading that...  Wink
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
Well, he did say that the UN was useless....

Now all we need is Jar-Jar.

 Wink

Seriously, though -- I meant the Galactic Senate itself, not the UN. (As you would agree, since the Galactic Senate is fictional, then it's an impossibility for the President to dissolve it.  Wink )
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 33):
Now all we need is Jar-Jar.

For this episode of "World Wars", the part of Jar-Jar Binks will be played by Hugo Chavez:



Nothing he says ever makes sense and he's a pain in the ass.  Smile

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 33):
As you would agree, since the Galactic Senate is fictional, then it's an impossibility for the President to dissolve it.

No, I do not agree! The Galactic Senate is NOT fictional. It just existed a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

And Bush could not dissolve the Galactic Senate, since he's too incompetent to be a Sith. We'd need Cheney for that....  Smile

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Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 34):
No, I do not agree! The Galactic Senate is NOT fictional. It just existed a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

All right. So at any rate, it doesn't exist today.

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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:08 am

The guy is talking out his backside. What "Empire" is he talking about?  Confused
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 35):
So at any rate, it doesn't exist today.

Obviously not, since it got dissolved. Jeez.  Yeah sure

It's the New Republic Senate now.  Smile

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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:32 am

Watch out for world leaders that wear berets...
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
Back in the late 1950's then USA Vice-President Nixon visited Venezula, he had his cars hit with stuff, people were carrying signs saying 'Yanquie go home' and near-riot conditions that endangered him and so on, so the anti-American rants there are nothing new.

Actually when I was there about 6 months ago, I found the people very pleasant and freindly, even when they knew my friends and I were American. Thats what makes it more sad that they average Venezuelan has to live under the rule of this moron.

Quoting Doona (Reply 25):
Well, he has a point there... some of you culture is repulsive, I'm thinking white-trash pop stars, country music, your export of MTV, etc. Enough to make any quasi-dictator blow his load...

And your point? There are many Americans that are sick of our own pop culture because we know it's so far from reality. If you don't like it, don't consume it.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting MigFan (Reply 38):
Watch out for world leaders that wear berets...

[Off topic]And interns that wear them, too. Especially if they're named Monica.[/Off topic]

Seriously, though -- berets and sunglasses: It seems that they hand them out during graduation at dictator school.   Not that Hugo Chavez is a dictator, or wears sunglasses, but still....

[Edited 2006-05-31 22:02:27]
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 32):
Cue females losing their temper right across the world upon reading that...

Don't get your panties in a knot. The guy who said it has been dead 60 years.

"The people in their overwhelming majority are so feminine by nature and attitude that sober reasoning determines their thoughts and actions far less than emotion and feeling."

That said, even a madman like hitler will actually make an interesting (and true) observation.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:37 am

Firstly Chavez is a quack job, this is nothing new, but just a new chapter of mindless rhetoric, but I will reply to a few things that were written.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
Consider that the USA has often supported mean, cruel and often despotic leaders in South and Central America, the Middle East and elsewhere, so long as not Commies and would allow our trade, access to oil and so on. So it is no wonder about the beheavor of Chavez and even some terrorists.

This is one thing that gets me worked up about our foreign policy, it is quite hypocritical, we can preach all we want about human rights etc, but as long as you are not a communist and not blatantly supporting terrorism, and have oil, and are willing to sell it to the US market, you are made in the shade, and if you have a vast manufacturing capability, you can even be Communist. This is a failing of both parties and all of our leaders well since WWII because I am going to give a slide for FDR and Stalin.

Quoting Doona (Reply 25):
Well, he has a point there... some of you culture is repulsive, I'm thinking white-trash pop stars, country music, your export of MTV, etc. Enough to make any quasi-dictator blow his load...

I think I watched more American sitcoms in Australia than I do here at home. American culture is prevelant around the world, and some of it is godawful. I apologize to any person overseas who are subjects to the likes of American Idol and reruns of Roseann.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
Chavez has obviously read Mein Kampf. Provide the people someone to blame for all their woes, someone to hate, and you can not only stay in power but tighten your grip on it.

Boy this is straight out of the GWB book of fear over terrorism.
 
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 42):
Boy this is straight out of the GWB book of fear over terrorism.

Give me some examples. These facile statements get on my nerves. I keep hearing stuff like Bush scaring people into supporting him, but I have not seen any of this myself.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 14):
Besides the whole communism thing. What does everyone have against Cuba?

Being willing to allow a sworn enemy of the US to install nuclear missiles aimed at US soil so close we could not respond was not something time will erase. Only a dead Castro will bring that chapter to an end.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
So it is no wonder about the beheavor of Chavez and even some terrorists.

Please! Why dont you stop looking at history thru 2006 goggles and try to understand what was going on at the time without the benefit of knowing what would happen next. If you did that, it would make a hell of a lot more sense.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 43):
I keep hearing stuff like Bush scaring people into supporting him, but I have not seen any of this myself.

That's because it is a total lie that makes liberals feel better during their out of power phase. Bottom line, Gore and Kerry were weaker candidates. Its as simple as that, and it drives the hard core liberals crazy apparently because they dont understand why so many democrats stayed home on election day.

They didn't stay home because they were scared, they stayed home because they didn't have a candidate that they believed in. Partly Clinton's fault, how do you follow up on that act? When you are used to steak, hot dogs just dont fill you up.

Also, a little resentment that Americans trust Republicans in times of war more than Democrats. Not even FDR changed that, which confuses me.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Hugo Chavez who has just said:

"The American Empire existance threatens the survival of the human race, it must be destroyed or else we'll die".

November 06 ,2001 president Bush said :"There was no room for neutrality,you are either with us or against us"
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 45):

So you complain when Bush says it and then justify Chavez because Bush said something similar? Did I get that right?  sarcastic 
 
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 43):
Give me some examples.

Well how about putting bird flu prevention under the guise of DHS instead of the CDC. Terror warning levels, keeping Americans safe by invading Iraq, the Axis of Evil,
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 41):
Don't get your panties in a knot. The guy who said it has been dead 60 years.

'Twas irony, old boy. I'm well aware of who said it.

Still, I shouldn't be surprised that irony goes right over your head as an American, should I?  Wink
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RE: "American Empire Must Be Destroyed Or We'll Die"

Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 47):
Well how about putting bird flu prevention under the guise of DHS instead of the CDC.

How is that fearmongering? If this makes more afraid of bird flu, I suggest therapy. Maybe, just maybe, DHS was given leadership of the project because DHS has control over the avenues whereby bird flu might enter the country, and controls the means whereby an eventual outbreak might be contained, such as quarantine zones. CDC is in a support mode to DHS.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 47):
Terror warning levels

If you have ever worked in the corporate world, you will be familiar with the manager who comes up with a (to his mind) brilliant, simplified performance measure or KPI that will give "the answer" on how well the company is doing. The color codes are but an oversimplied version of the National Security Threat Board, which has been around for the better part of a century, and is sexy and simple enough (ooh, colors... wow!) to be picked up by the general public.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 47):
keeping Americans safe by invading Iraq

Assuming that Saddam had indeed had WMD's (which made perfect sense at the time, considering his behaviour), the decision was a correct one. Oops.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 47):
the Axis of Evil

He was simply stating the way things were. Did that speech somehow make people more afraid of those countries? No. It just called a spade a spade.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 47):
Less than a week before the third anniversary of 9/11, The Vice President said, "it's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on November 2nd, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again." Not only would be hit again, but we will "be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mind-set, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we are not really at war."

Factually true. There is no question that the USA have enemies, and always will have enemies. There is also no question that they read our newspapers and watch our TV. Seeing internal strife and anti-war demonstrations in the backyard of their enemy encourages them to step up their attacks, which fuels more protests which fuel more attacks, a cycle building to the point that leaders have no choice but to back down and hand victory over to the enemy on a silver platter. But the ideal situation (for the enemy) is to have a leader who is already predisposed to giving up more easily. That makes their job much easier, as they don't need to fuel the protest movement as much to get a desired response.

There is no question that had Howard Dean become president in 2004, Al Qaeda supporters would have been dancing in the streets. Had Kerry won, they would have been happy, but not extatic. Since Bush won, they were more like "well, let's keep after the protestors".
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