BradWray
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Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Wed May 31, 2006 9:34 pm

Police in Wirrel, Hampshire are planing on banning the England flags placed on cars as they scare horses in the local countryside.  rotfl 

'I am not trying to be a kill joy and I understand that people need to get behind the international team but horses do get scared by these flags and this could cause injury to the horse, the rider or passers by' Said PC Derek Grist.

I think this is completely daft! Horse's have cars fly past their field 24/7 but get scared of a tiny flag on a car.....

What do you think about this? I think it is ridiculous  boggled 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Wed May 31, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting BradWray (Thread starter):
What do you think about this? I think it is ridiculous

Well its Hampshire, what do you expect  duck   wink 

But seriously, thats just daft... I agree with you, if they are not afraid of cars, why be afraid of the flag?
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Wed May 31, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting BradWray (Thread starter):
England flags

Does this mean my orange flag will be okay?  Wink
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:11 am

Sussex Police are apparently running a book on who can find (and provide photographic evidence ) the car with the most flags on it. Anything above 4 is supposedly worthy of being stopped and laughed at.

What possesses people to put these flags on their cars anyway?  banghead 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:27 am

I came home today to find that my 8 year old daughter had persuded my wife to buy one for me.

So what do I do. Look like a Chav or upset the daughter?
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 4):
So what do I do. Look like a Chav or upset the daughter?

I always had you down as a chav anyway.  Wink
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 4):
So what do I do. Look like a Chav or upset the daughter?

You're from the south, You will fit in perfectly Big grin

Thanks, Bradley!  Smile
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
I always had you down as a chav anyway.

And I had you down as a rather witty person



Funny how you can get the wrong impression over the net Big grin
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 7):
Funny how you can get the wrong impression over the net

Indeed, but then along comes Kirkie to re-affirm your faith in first impressions...  Wink
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
why be afraid of the flag?

Horses are afraid of anything that flutters in the wind- they considers anything that moves like that predatory. A car, they can hear. A fluttering flag or tarp, they can't. And even though the flag is stuck to the car, it still doesn't move like a car, and it scares them. I completely understand- you ever been on a horse that got scared? Or attempted to calm one down? I have and it's not fun...

A mare on the livery yard my horse is stabled at once killed her own foal when a tarp flew across the paddock they were in. She literally ran over it.
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Jap (Reply 9):
Horses are afraid of anything that flutters in the wind- they considers anything that moves like that predatory. A car, they can hear. A fluttering flag or tarp, they can't. And even though the flag is stuck to the car, it still doesn't move like a car, and it scares them. I completely understand- you ever been on a horse that got scared? Or attempted to calm one down? I have and it's not fun...

Well, I'd like them banned on the grounds of taste alone. But as far as horses are concerned, tough. Since when have we decided policy on the basis that it might upset them, for heaven's sake. What next? Ban tarpaulin covered lorries? Remove the flag from Buck House because the Horseguards get jumpy? All kite-flying to be made illegal in case Dobbin has a seizure? For Christ's sake...  Yeah sure
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:46 am

Are we talking actual flags or just stickers that one puts on their car?

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
Are we talking actual flags or just stickers that one puts on their car?

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Well its Hampshire, what do you expect

Well as a Hampshire hog, I applaud the decision. Stop every car brandishing that most appalling displays of so called patriotism and they will no doubt find numerous motoring offences being committed
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:26 am

A better idea would be to get the horses off the roads.

Then they wouldn't be such a safety issue for drivers and you wouldn't have to spend time cleaning horse manure off your cars wheels and sides.  Wink

Seriously though, I find it a silly idea. I doubt horses are getting scared by some fabric attached to a piece of plastic.
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting BradWray (Thread starter):
PC Derek Grist

I wonder if he's Scottish and trying to undermine our patriotiism?  wink 

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 14):
Seriously though, I find it a silly idea. I doubt horses are getting scared by some fabric attached to a piece of plastic.

They are. They can't tell the difference between a piece of plastic and a predator that might hurt them. They'd rather run and ask question afterwards. It's pure instinct  Wink
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:46 pm

Where is Wirrel ? - am Hampshire born & breed and have never heard of it.

Agree that the flags do look ridiculous.
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting BradWray (Thread starter):
England Flags On Cars

Tell me you're kidding, do people really do this??
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 14):
A better idea would be to get the horses off the roads.

Bloody fantastic idea.
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting BradWray (Thread starter):
Police in Wirrel, Hampshire are planing on banning the England flags placed on cars as they scare horses in the local countryside.

Strangely, English flags have the same effect on me too.  Wink

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 18):
Tell me you're kidding, do people really do this??

Come now Andy, I've seen New Zealanders doing this with their own flag too.

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 20):
Strangely, English flags have the same effect on me too.

Do they now? Aha! I have found a gap in QFF's defences. Prepare to meet thy doom.......
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Ho

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:22 pm

Why do the flags have to have "England" written on them? Is it so the dimwits who bought them can be sure they haven't got a Polish flag by mistake? What's more, I doubt the average chav would recognise that spelling anyway, as surely it is "Ingerlund" Big grin
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:24 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
Do they now? Aha! I have found a gap in QFF's defences.

It's a serious issue. I saw a commercial for the red cross the other day and I nearly went into cardiac arrest.

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 20):
Come now Andy, I've seen New Zealanders doing this with their own flag too.

Only after thrashing your lot at Rugby or Netball or Cricket or invading Tasmania!!  Wink

You will never see people driving to work or the pub with a flag waving on top of the car (except me in the company limo!!)  Wink
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:34 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 24):
Only after thrashing your lot at Rugby or Netball or Cricket or invading Tasmania!!

Thems fightin' words (except for the netball, cricket, and tasmania parts -they're aaalll yours).

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 24):
You will never see people driving to work or the pub with a flag waving on top of the car (except me in the company limo!!)

I don't blame them really, poor bastards have that horrible tea towel in the upper canton.  Wink

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:37 pm

What is the world coming too.  eyepopping 

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 23):
I saw a commercial for the red cross the other day and I nearly went into cardiac arrest.

That'd be just your luck, wouldn't it? Have a heart attack, and instead of a load of sexy nurses coming to your aid, you get 6 blokes with huge guts offering you beer as a restorative...
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:28 am

Who cares. It's a friggin' horse.
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 19):
female drivers

 Yeah sure because males are sooo much better? Sure...  Silly

I'm all for the rule though, even though the only outdoor place I take my horse is the forest... I would hate to be on a horse that went crazy because some chav had to drive past with a flag out of his window  Yeah sure

If horseriders can't ride in the countryside, where the hell are we supposed to be?
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting Jap (Reply 29):
where the hell are we supposed to be?

In a field.  Wink  Silly

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 30):
In a field. Wink Silly

And cars should stay in the garages- makes about as much sense actually  Wink
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:40 am

I have been on a freaked-out horse, not fun, I am very careful when driving near horses, I much prefer horse-riders to militant cyclists who ride two abreast a 3 mph and don't let you past.
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:44 am

I think someone's just horsing around...
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 33):
I think someone's just horsing around...

That was a 'mare of a joke.

It winds me up no end that people ride horses on busy roads and expect people to slow down from 40-50 to a walking pace to pass them. I always do, but it's really irresponsible to be taking a horse on a fast road.

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 32):
militant cyclists who ride two abreast a 3 mph and don't let you past.

A nudge on the back wheel usually suffices in order to get the lycra clad mafia to move  Wink
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 27):
Have a heart attack, and instead of a load of sexy nurses coming to your aid, you get 6 blokes with huge guts offering you beer as a restorative...

Sounds like an a.net meet.

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Ho

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 34):
It winds me up no end that people ride horses on busy roads and expect people to slow down from 40-50 to a walking pace to pass them. I always do, but it's really irresponsible to be taking a horse on a fast road.

No more irresposible than drivers who go down narrow country lanes at breakneck speed frightening the sh*t out of riders, cyclist and pedestrians who are trying to do the decent thing and stay away from fast, busy roads.
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:39 am




Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 18):
Quoting BradWray (Thread starter):
England Flags On Cars

Tell me you're kidding, do people really do this??

You should come to the US. I'm convinced we, as a country, could increase our average fuel economy by a few percent if only people stopped driving around with flags representing the US and sports teams strapped to their cars...

Quoting Willo (Reply 37):
No more irresposible than drivers who go down narrow country lanes at breakneck speed frightening the sh*t out of riders, cyclist and pedestrians who are trying to do the decent thing and stay away from fast, busy roads.

 checkmark  If only the idiots grew up, used common sense, and realized this. Cyclists, pedestrians, equestrians, etc have as much right to use the roads as motorists. Unfortunately, certain motorists have small penis syndrome and feel the need to "stake their claim" by acting like reckless assholes on public roads.

I'll be the first to admit that it's not entirely one-sided, but it's certainly weighed very heavily in the direction of stupid drivers.




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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting Willo (Reply 37):
No more irresposible than drivers who go down narrow country lanes at breakneck speed frightening the sh*t out of riders, cyclist and pedestrians who are trying to do the decent thing and stay away from fast, busy roads.

I agree!

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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 38):
You should come to the US. I'm convinced we, as a country, could increase our average fuel economy by a few percent if only people stopped driving around with flags representing the US and sports teams strapped to their cars...

I have no problems with flags on cars. I find the OP's topic absolutely rediculous.
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Ho

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:17 am




Quoting Basas (Reply 40):
I have no problems with flags on cars.

My comment about flags was in jest, of course...I simply think they're in poor taste.

Quoting Basas (Reply 40):
I find the OP's topic absolutely rediculous.

The topic itself, or his opinion that the idea of spooking horses is ridiculous? I can see how it would appear ridiculous to someone unfamiliar with horses. To the rest of us, it is perfectly logical.




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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
The topic itself, or his opinion that the idea of spooking horses is ridiculous? I can see how it would appear ridiculous to someone unfamiliar with horses. To the rest of us, it is perfectly logical.

The whole thing. I mean...whats next? Banning cars with flags on certain stretches of Interstate because you pass a few horses?
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:47 pm




Quoting Basas (Reply 42):
The whole thing.

Think about it, Basas. Those flags spook horses. Fact. If a spooked horse has the potential to cause injury to passer-bys (as indicated in the original post), that indicates cars and horses are sharing the same roads. Now, I don't know about you, but if I'm driving in such proximity to a horse, I generally prefer to prevent an accident from occuring. Removing a small flag to greatly reduce your chances of causing an accident seems pretty logical to me.

Quoting Basas (Reply 42):
whats next? Banning cars with flags on certain stretches of Interstate because you pass a few horses?

No, because horseback riders tend to avoid interstate travel.  Wink




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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
The topic itself, or his opinion that the idea of spooking horses is ridiculous? I can see how it would appear ridiculous to someone unfamiliar with horses. To the rest of us, it is perfectly logical.

 thumbsup  Exactly what I wanted to say  Smile
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:15 am

Horsey types think they own the road. They stick their noses in the air, trot their smelly old four legged dung dispensers down the middle of any coumntry road and get in the way.

Melt the horses down for glue and keep flying yer flags folks.
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:47 am




Quoting Scotty (Reply 45):
Melt the horses down for glue and keep flying yer flags folks.

No, no...you've got it all wrong, Scotty. It's us Americans who are supposed to act like intolerant jackasses. Not you.  Wink




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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
But as far as horses are concerned, tough. Since when have we decided policy on the basis that it might upset them, for heaven's sake.

Would you have the same opinion if a horse was frightened by a flag, reared up, and galloped through a group of your relatives or friends and maimed or killed one or two? Or would that just be tough too?
 
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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:49 am

Today, I had first hand experience what happens when a horse is spooked...

The result? I was thrown off.... (twice!)  crazy 


I laughed it off because I wasnt hurt, but still, not nice.


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RE: Hampshire Banning England Flags On Cars For Horses

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Since when have we decided policy on the basis that it might upset them, for heaven's sake

Read your highway code lately??? Its a health and safety issue as much as anything else, a mate of mine once hit a cow with a motorbike...messy!

Horses have been road users for 1,000's of years longer than cars and if spooked can do untold damage, so we try not to upset them as, unlike cyclists, they don't deliberately try to piss off car drivers.
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