garnetpalmetto
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Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:57 am

Alright, for all of you out there who, like me, prefer to homebuild, I came across two issues yesterday when I installed a new motherboard into my system. First of all, the pins on the 'board that control the case's front panel operations (power switch, reset switch, HD LED, and power LED) reserve just two pins for the connector for the power LED wires. The connector itself though, has two wires and three pinholes. The manual says to move one wire into that middle pinhole, but how, precisely do I do that?

So going withotu a power light, I went ahead and booted the system only to find that after the BIOS posts and Windows attempts to load, the system completely reboots. It occurs to me that this may be related to the motherboard drivers, so the question is how can I install the drivers for the new motherboard without Windows? Don't quite know if I can boot it into a DOS mode.

The board is an ASRock 939 Dual ATA board, so any help would be appreciated
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KROC
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:00 am

Deal with it.

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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
Deal with it.

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We are not talking about hp here...

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RichardPrice
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:14 am

There is no standard for front panel connections unfortuantely, so my best recommendation is to be prepared to move the connections around on the blocks  Sad

When Windows is booting, hit F8 to boot it into safemode. From there, remove all custom drivers and reboot - this will force Windows to redetect all hardware and load drivers.
 
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):
remove all custom drivers and reboot

I would say remove ALL drivers (delete the whole device manager tree). The thing that kind of scares me though is it APPEARS like you are tyring to use a copy of XP that was loaded on another box. While this can work.. things just go weird. I'd do a CLEAN install of XP.
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
I would say remove ALL drivers (delete the whole device manager tree)

No, if you do this and remove the 'ACPI Uniprocessor PC' driver then (depending on certain circumstances) it can remove the uniprocessor HAL dlls, which renders your system unbootable.

Remove as little as required to get it to boot properly to detect the new hardware.
 
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
The thing that kind of scares me though is it APPEARS like you are tyring to use a copy of XP that was loaded on another box

No, Ted, not at all. The OLD motherboard in my desktop died, nothing more. The box is the same, the copy of XP is the same, everything's the same except the parts I swapped out (motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply). I'd rather NOT do a clean install of XP, as (as ashamed as I am to admit) I got slack about backing up files and I'd rather not reformat my entire hard disk.

Richard - how do I remove custom drivers through safe mode?
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
The manual says to move one wire into that middle pinhole, but how, precisely do I do that?

Hey Justin,
To fix the case connector, do the following.
Look closely at the connector. There are little locks on it that hold the wire inside. Use a pin or something small to lift the lock on the wire you want to remove. With the lock lifted, slide the wire out of the hole. then just move it to another hole, and push it back in. it will lock into the connector just by pushing it in.

As far as the booting issue, it would seem that XP is still trying to detect the old mobo drivers.
While, you can get things to work, you don't want to remove any drivers that you might need. Like TedAce said, it is really best to reinstall XP. That will give you a more stable place to start.

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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
Richard - how do I remove custom drivers through safe mode?

http://helpdesk.wisc.edu/page.php?id=502
 
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
I'd rather NOT do a clean install of XP, as (as ashamed as I am to admit) I got slack about backing up files and I'd rather not reformat my entire hard disk.

I always thought that when changing a motherboard, a format and reinstall of Windows was necessary? No...?

 Confused

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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
No, Ted, not at all. The OLD motherboard in my desktop died, nothing more. The box is the same, the copy of XP is the same, everything's the same except the parts I swapped out (motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply). I'd rather NOT do a clean install of XP, as (as ashamed as I am to admit) I got slack about backing up files and I'd rather not reformat my entire hard disk.

 Yeah sure
As far as the OS is concerned you are moving the OS to a diferent system.
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 9):
I always thought that when changing a motherboard, a format and reinstall of Windows was necessary? No...?

Its recommended because you are changing such fundamentals as the IDE drivers, PC bridge drivers etc but it can be avoided in most cases if you are willing to work at it.
 
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Its recommended because you are changing such fundamentals as the IDE drivers, PC bridge drivers etc but it can be avoided in most cases if you are willing to work at it.

Thanks for the info. Which would be easier?

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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 12):
Thanks for the info. Which would be easier?

Reinstalling of course  Smile
 
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:14 am

Does the power supply have enough power? I had a problem once where the mobo would pass the BIOS checks OK but then reboot when the hard drives got active. It was a power problem. It could also be inadequate heat sink cooling of the CPU. As soon as the CPU gets busy it overheats.
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:29 am

You can do what is called a "repair" install of XP, and you wont lose settings, files, etc. There is a good summary here: http://www.windowsreinstall.com/winxphome/installxpcdrepair/part1.htm

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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:06 am

I have twice changed my harddrive into a similar machine w/o having to re-authorize XP. It went thru a cycle of installing the new drivers but after that the machine worked fine, and is the one I am using right now.

For the rebooting thing, you might check to see if the new motherboard ground is OK. Wiggle it around while the machine is rebooting to see if you can make a better connection and stop this problem.
 
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
The connector itself though, has two wires and three pinholes. The manual says to move one wire into that middle pinhole, but how, precisely do I do that?

The way i do it is cut the connector in the middle, where there is the unused pinhole, then rotate the 2 bits so that they become side-to-side and plug them on the board.

easy and fast.
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
Yeah sure
As far as the OS is concerned you are moving the OS to a diferent system.

Bingo.

Replacing the MoBo might have changed your nVidia USB hub root to an Intel 68866 hub root (making up chipsets, but the idea is the same). Then Windows pukes because it wasn't what it was the last time it booted.

When you replace your MoBo with another, sometimes *even if it's the same model*, yet different production series, your chipset is completely different.

Ted is absolutely right. "Windows" just moved into a house on the other side of town. It doesn't know where the kitchen is, let alone the bathroom (where it's likely to go take a shit).

If you can get it into "Safe Mode" and whatnot per the instructions above, deletion of the entire device tree through Device Manager *might* get you back up and running once you nuke everything and reboot.

Sometimes it works by making Windows think that it's retarded and doesn't have anything and goes and tries to plug-and-play everything after you've told it that it has nothing; other times, unfortunately, it's a re-install.

Regardless, make sure that you have a network driver handy for the new board, otherwise you're not going to be able to go download all of the new drivers that you're probably going to need.

Successful MoBo swaps can turn into a form of surgery.

Best of luck!
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RE: Computer Help (Motherboard Issues)

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:13 pm

Hey all - thanks for all the pieces of advice. I decided to go with the least drastic method for starters and try to boot into safe mode, which did not work. I then did the repair install and that did the trick and it's up and running. I also figured out the deal with the power LED - just had to use a box cutter to "break" into the plastic casing and move the wire over to the next pinhole. Thanks once again to all who helped out.
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