ThaiboynMexico
Topic Author
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:36 am

Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:03 am

Hello folks,

For non-Latin Americans and for Latin Americans who have travelled a little. What are some unmistakable hints and signs which tell you that you are in Latin America.

Here are some of mine:

1. 9 times out of 10, toilet seats never stand still in their upright position. You know how you have to lift up the toilet seat before you pee? (Well, you should, at least, if you're not doing it already). Well I gave that up long time ago since I arrived in Latin America. Them toilet seats never stay up straignt! It always falls and make a big bang. I don't know why it's so hard to make toilet seats that stay up straight and still. So I said to myself...you know what? Just forget it.
By the way, I owe this idea to Latinplane, my good friend on a.net.

2. People automatically assume that your money is fake. Whether you're paying for something or receiving change, it's almost an instinct that one verify one's change, espcially with large bills. Most recently, here in Argenitna, I learned that there are even FAKE COINS! Like coins of petty amount like 25, 50 Argentine cents? Even those things can be fake. I had this merchant testing my coins with a magnet. He told me "If it sticks to the magnet, then it's fake." What the f-? That really shows that however European Argentina is, it's still an inescapable part of Latin America.

Now that I look back, discerning counterfeit money has become my SECOND instinct! Not that there isn't counterfeit money in other countries; but it's just so prevalent in Latin America. In the U.S., no one worries too much to check if one's bills are fake. I mean it happens but very rarely. Even less developed Asian countries in Asia like Thailand (whose crime rate and drug rings are no less notorious than in Latin America), you don't spend your energy verifying your change in every transaction.

3. Everywhere you go, you are assumed guilty before proven innocent. You are assumed villain before proven before proven a protagonist. They always think you're a thief first. Houses and stores are locked with maximum security. When you have to go into a store or a restaurant, you have to ring and then wait for them to see if you're not a thief. If they see that you're not a thief, they let you in. If you wear less than decent clothes, they kinda have to probe to see what it is that you want to buy or to get, and if you would have enough money to pay. It just sucks. Nobody trusts anybody in this continent. Everybody is everybody else's enemy. There is no solidarity. This has got to change, really.

Anything else anyone could relate to and would like to add to this list? And please don't get me wrong...the purpose of this thread is not to provoke but to elucidate. Trust me, I love Latin America with all my heart. If I'm critical, it's out of love. And trust me, "the opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference." (Quoting Brie from Desperate Housewives)

 banghead 
 
BMIFlyer
Posts: 8065
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 7:11 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
Anything else anyone could relate to and would like to add to this list?

There are alot of beautiful women  Wink




Lee
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
 
Derico
Posts: 4209
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 9:14 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
3. Everywhere you go, you are assumed guilty before proven innocent. You are assumed villain before proven before proven a protagonist. They always think you're a thief first. Houses and stores are locked with maximum security. When you have to go into a store or a restaurant, you have to ring and then wait for them to see if you're not a thief. If they see that you're not a thief, they let you in. If you wear less than decent clothes, they kinda have to probe to see what it is that you want to buy or to get, and if you would have enough money to pay. It just sucks. Nobody trusts anybody in this continent. Everybody is everybody else's enemy. There is no solidarity. This has got to change, really.

I have, in 15 years pluse or there abouts living in Argentina, ever encountered one restaurant that was locked or in which customers had to 'ring or knock' to get in.... In fact it is the fist time in my entire life I hear something like this, anywhere.

As for #1, I don't use the toilet seat to pee...
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
 
aloges
Posts: 14842
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:38 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 2):
I have, in 15 years pluse or there abouts living in Argentina, ever encountered one restaurant that was locked or in which customers had to 'ring or knock' to get in....

I've lived in Brazil for one year, one of the poorer parts too, and didn't run into this either.

And how on Mother Earth did a freakin' toilet seat become a number one seat for being in Latin America?!?
Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.
 
Derico
Posts: 4209
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 9:14 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
And how on Mother Earth did a freakin' toilet seat become a number one seat for being in Latin America?!?

Not sure what you mean...

But since I don't use toilets pretty much anywhere outside my house (unless it is a high end anchor store at a shopping mall, no matter what continent, they are clean and good to go! LOL), I would have to say Thayboy might be right about #1, ha!
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
 
senorcarnival
Posts: 1732
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:05 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
3. Everywhere you go, you are assumed guilty before proven innocent. You are assumed villain before proven before proven a protagonist. They always think you're a thief first. Houses and stores are locked with maximum security. When you have to go into a store or a restaurant, you have to ring and then wait for them to see if you're not a thief.

You do? I lived in Sao Paulo for most of my life and the only place I ever had to ring to get in was the rare occasion that I went into an H. Stern jewelry store with my mom. Never heard of this for restaurants...

As for toilet seats, WTF? To be honest, I'm not going to waste my time trying to remember every toilet I went to when I lived there but even if you don't need the seat you can still pee with it in the down position, what's the problem with that? This is a non-issue anywhere in the world.
Oh no, she's getting impatient! Take a stab at it!
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
9 times out of 10, toilet seats never stand still in their upright position.

Well, then you are going to the better parts of LatAm! I spent parts of my childhood peeing outdoors, even though our beach house had a working toilet. Took me years to learn to use bathrooms in other places rather than our house, on account that other restrooms can be so filthy, or a hole in the ground.

You know you are in LatAm, when you dont see people wearing jewelry while out on the streets, unless they want them stolen.
 
Marambio
Posts: 1145
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:41 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):

3. Everywhere you go, you are assumed guilty before proven innocent. You are assumed villain before proven before proven a protagonist. They always think you're a thief first. Houses and stores are locked with maximum security. When you have to go into a store or a restaurant, you have to ring and then wait for them to see if you're not a thief. If they see that you're not a thief, they let you in. If you wear less than decent clothes, they kinda have to probe to see what it is that you want to buy or to get, and if you would have enough money to pay. It just sucks. Nobody trusts anybody in this continent. Everybody is everybody else's enemy. There is no solidarity. This has got to change, really.

Where does that happen? I have never encountered such a thing anywhere in Argentina. Same as Derico, it's the first time I heard about it.

Saludos,
Marambio
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo
 
Boeinglover24
Posts: 293
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:35 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin Ameri

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:39 am

The toilet water spins the other way when you flush... Smile
Uhhh What?
 
EWRCabincrew
Posts: 4306
Joined: Mon May 08, 2006 2:37 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 8):
The toilet water spins the other way when you flush...

As long as you're south of the equator Latin America.  stirthepot 

I would also add food sold by vendors on street corners, great customer service, waste baskets next to the toilets, (onboard to Latin America) mothers asking for coke (with extra packets of sugar sometimes) or coffee with milk and 5+ packets of sugar for their child's bottle. The list could go on.
You can't cure stupid
 
WellHung
Posts: 3299
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:50 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:47 am

You can order a cheesesteak in Spanish.
 
bhmbaglock
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:51 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:47 am

I haven't found any of the original three to be true personally, but here's a few:

1. Applause from all on board the a/c when the wheels touch down.
2. Rent a cops who are more heavily armed than the real cops. Of course they may not know how to use the weapon or even have it loaded.
3. As has been noted, great street food.
4. Multiple classes of travel for buses as well as aircraft.
Where are all of my respected members going?
 
ThaiboynMexico
Topic Author
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:36 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:01 am

Quote:
I have, in 15 years pluse or there abouts living in Argentina, ever encountered one restaurant that was locked or in which customers had to 'ring or knock' to get in.... In fact it is the fist time in my entire life I hear something like this, anywhere.



Quote:
Where does that happen? I have never encountered such a thing anywhere in Argentina. Same as Derico, it's the first time I heard about it.

Sorry I wasn't clear folks. I didn't say that this was specific to Argentina. But I experienced most of these security concerns in Mexico. And, in Buenos Aires, there are many restaurants in San Telmo and some in Palermo Viejo that operate on "buzzed-in" basis as well. And at some upscale restaurants or boutiques, when there are no secured doors, there are security guards surveying standing in front of the premises, telling you not to bring in your bags or handbags or whatever. And it's just really annoying.

But may be this is because I am not white. And it really assaults my self-esteem to tell you the truth.  Sad
 
AM744
Posts: 1435
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2001 11:05 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 11):
1. Applause from all on board the a/c when the wheels touch down.

This has been quoted often, but I have yet to be in such a flight. Maybe it happens in planes full of ethnical travelers

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
3. Everywhere you go, you are assumed guilty before proven innocent. You are assumed villain before proven before proven a protagonist. They always think you're a thief first. Houses and stores are locked with maximum security.

And for good reason. Thank good ol' Carlos Salinas for screwing the economy and peaceful environment we enjoyed prior to 1995... Yes, Mexico City(and most of Mexico) was WAAAAAAY more peaceful back then, car thefth was unusual and secuestro(can't remember the English word) and Narco vendettas were almost unheard of.
 
Falcon84
Posts: 13775
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:52 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:45 am

"Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos"  Big grin
Work Right, Fly Hard
 
bhmbaglock
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:51 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 13):
This has been quoted often, but I have yet to be in such a flight. Maybe it happens in planes full of ethnical travelers

It definitely happens in South America. Freaked me out a bit the first time as nobody had bothered to give me a heads up. After 30-40 flights you take it in stride and even join in.  Smile
Where are all of my respected members going?
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 15265
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:22 am

Can't say I can relate to anything on the list...but a good sign you're in Latin America is that when you leave the airport, you have to show your passport to at least 6 different people before you can even get to the gate.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 11):
2. Rent a cops who are more heavily armed than the real cops.

Ahhh...los watchimanes Smile
E pur si muove -Galileo
 
carmenlu15
Posts: 4517
Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:24 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin Ameri

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:34 am

You know you're in LatAm when you send your party invitations for 7:00, expecting everyone to start arriving at 9:00.

And you know you're in LatAm when the party starts at lunch, and all your guests leave after dinner.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):

There are alot of beautiful women

But of course  Silly

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 11):
2. Rent a cops who are more heavily armed than the real cops.

Ahhh...los watchimanes

 yes  And I see them on a daily basis (I work in a security company).

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 6):
You know you are in LatAm, when you dont see people wearing jewelry while out on the streets, unless they want them stolen.

A lesson learned the hard way, I must say.
Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
 
Curtisman
Posts: 938
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:31 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 15):
Quoting AM744 (Reply 13):
This has been quoted often, but I have yet to be in such a flight. Maybe it happens in planes full of ethnical travelers

It definitely happens in South America. Freaked me out a bit the first time as nobody had bothered to give me a heads up. After 30-40 flights you take it in stride and even join in.

I've experienced this several times on domestic flights in South America and Central America. I've also experience here at home in Canada a few times.

Last month I was on a charter flight from Cuba to Toronto and I would say 99.9% Canadians on board. I don't think there were any Cubans. Everyone clapped when we landed in Cuba on the outbound and everyone clapped when we landed in Toronto on the inbound.

It's a great custom and I'm glad it's done in Latin America!

Saludos!

Leonardo
Citizen of the World
 
SlamClick
Posts: 9576
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:09 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:06 pm

Well, the signs used to be "Venceremos" or "Hasta La Victoria" spray-painted on overpasses etc.

Another is 200 identical political posters on a single wall.
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
 
m180up
Posts: 348
Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 12:42 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting AM744 (Reply 13):
secuestro(can't remember the English word)

kidnapping
Werner from SAL
 
bhmbaglock
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:51 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin Ameri

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:24 pm

Oh yeah, here's another. Lots of streets named after important dates. Other than often referring to Independence Day as the 4th of July, you really don't see that at home but it's everywhere in SA.

Statues and memorials to Simon Bolivar also work, not all of LA but a large chunk of it.
Where are all of my respected members going?
 
Zen100
Posts: 131
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:35 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:08 pm

Thaiboy, can i ask you a question?Are you dark skinned?. Because you know how funny people can get.

ProudQatari
World's Richest Country
ProudQatari. Small Country with 5* Airline
 
MD11junkie
Posts: 2499
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 4:59 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 21):
Statues and memorials to Simon Bolivar

That's the northern half. The southern half to General José Francisco de San Martín.  Smile

Quoting CurtisMan (Reply 18):
It's a great custom and I'm glad it's done in Latin America!

Len,
At least in Argentina, during my flights to and from Buenos Aires, I didn't hear any clapping, fortunately!

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 12):
Sorry I wasn't clear folks. I didn't say that this was specific to Argentina. But I experienced most of these security concerns in Mexico. And, in Buenos Aires, there are many restaurants in San Telmo and some in Palermo Viejo that operate on "buzzed-in" basis as well. And at some upscale restaurants or boutiques, when there are no secured doors, there are security guards surveying standing in front of the premises, telling you not to bring in your bags or handbags or whatever. And it's just really annoying.

That's because wealthy or powerful people or even TV jetset go there. That poses a huge amount of risk. Or maybe, the owners are just 'fantasticos', but really, Rye, you've seen it once or twice. You KNOW it's not the way it is here.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 12):
But may be this is because I am not white. And it really assaults my self-esteem to tell you the truth.

Have you ever read Apollo's comments on his visit to Buenos Aires? He was always asked for Directions as if he was a local. Now, there's a much larger Asian community. There shouldn't be a racial problem.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11junkie
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
 
Derico
Posts: 4209
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 9:14 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 12):
But may be this is because I am not white. And it really assaults my self-esteem to tell you the truth.

I really hope not, as in Argentina the 'white-non white' thing was never such a divisive issue as in other countries. Specially since the line is not as clear (some very light mestizos could pass for white, and many whites in Argentina are very mediterranean as supposed to blond nordic, though there are quite a few blonds, and redheads too).

But if you go to really upscale restaurants, you will find security guards. It is a combination of a sense of increased crime (which is true, but it's not as bad as in many other countries), but also when it comes to entertainment and leisure in Argentina are not as segregated still as in Brazil, Mexico, or the United States where the rich attend restaurants, boutiques, etc in mostly segregated very upscale enclaves.

If you think it was racism, you should report it to the Tourism Authority in BA. They are taking racism and taking advantage of tourists very seriously now.
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
 
ThaiboynMexico
Topic Author
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:36 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:21 am

Huh, what a passionate discussion. This was supposed to be a light-hearted discussion. I guess I should tone down my drama-queen language in the future  ...my apology really for those who took this badly   

Please guyz. Don't take this as my personal attack against Argentina. If the Argentine government were to give me an Argentine passport and a little house in the countryside? I would totally renounce everything that I have and take that offer. I would totally want to die and have my ash scattered here in Latin America. I am attached to Latin America because, when i see the indigenous people of Latin America, I see myself (a Southeast Asian). We are basically the SAME PEOPLE, genetically speaking. And yes, politically, I side with them too. But that's another story.

But it's true that my thread could have been interpreted negatively because I only mentioned unfavorable things. But somehow, we all use A.net as our sounding board to deal with our problems, don't we? So please...please...please...be generous and don't attack me as a person but attack the ideas (tactfully) instead if you really don't agree

To make up for this, I also have to mention one CUTE sign that makes you know you are in Latin America:

4. In Latin America, we HAVE NO SNEEZEGUARDS at bakery shops. I used to think that that was gross because North Americans would scream and call health service if their local bakeries did that. But then I grew to like it. It's so cool to be able to grab what you want with those thongs. I think it's so cool. Everybody shares everybody's sneeze and love.   

[Edited 2006-06-12 17:24:20]
 
Derico
Posts: 4209
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 9:14 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 25):

I don't think the discussion was remotely passionate! Well, at least for me. I don't think it's heated at all, just an exchange of views...
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
 
carmenlu15
Posts: 4517
Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:24 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 26):
I don't think it's heated at all, just an exchange of views...

Indeed... I find it interesting to see the different points of view in a subject like this, to which we can relate in a way or other...
Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
 
CastleIsland
Posts: 3212
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:40 pm

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 25):
It's so cool to be able to grab what you want with those thongs.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

If you're using a thong to select your baked goods, perhaps the Board of Health should be involved.  Wink
"People don't do what they believe in, they just do what's most convenient, then they repent." - Dylan
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:08 am

You know you are in LatAm when:

The government OFFICIALLY declares 1/2 day so people can go home and watch Ecuador defeat Poland!

(This is true!)
 
LatinPlane
Posts: 2471
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:05 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:57 pm

You did? What the hell...


Oh, yeah! I forgot that you're a writer! And I forgot that I need to watch out what I say when I'm around you because you pay close attention to the words that come out of my mouth and then use them for your journalism pieces.

Here's my list of things, since you already took one of them:


1. You know you're in Latin America when: crossing the street means running for your life, as cars will not give you the right of way! (Reminds me of a time when You, Gaston, and I were crossing a street in Buenos Aires and two Buses came literally 5 feet away from us and yet we managed to cross the street safely, and like it was the most normal thing to almost be hit by a bus.)


2. You know you're in Latin America when: the young people are really hot and good looking (both guys and girls), but the people hitting their 40s are all overweight and ugly. (because for some reason we don't age well - hmmm...could it be the drinking perhaps!)


3. You know you're in Latin America when: you see graffiti on the wall that reads en español "Afuera con los Yankees"


4. You know you're in Latin America when: the most important thing on TV is either: a.) A Mexican soap opera b.) A Venezuelan soap opera c.) A Brazilian soap opera. d.) A soap opera produced in any other Latin American country that on a very rare occasion gets seen worldwide.


5. You know you're in Latin America when everyone knows "el chavo del ocho!"


6. You know you're in a Latin American country when: the natives just believe they are the ultimately best at doing something better then any other country. Example: An Argentine will swear to god that only Argentina can produce the BEST wines in the world and that if Mexico can produce the same quality wine that is produced in Argentina then he will turn gay!


7. Oh yeah, you know you're in Latin America when people just can't get over their rivalries between their next door LATIN AMERICAN neighbors and the people of such country just say "You just can't trust those _________! Venezuela - Colombia/Peru - Ecuador/Bolivia - Chile etc. etc.


8. You know you're in Latin America when: people don't drink water; they drink Coca-Cola!


9. You know you're in Latin America when: the last president of the country is living in exile. (And he's for sure planning his comeback as the new president for the next election.)


10. You know you're in Latin America when: people are friendly and nice just because. Not like in the U.S., where people are only friendly when they're selling something to you!


11. You know you're in Latin America: when the normal bank hours are typically from 9:00 to 2:00! (In the U.S., this would mean bankruptcy).


12. You know you're in Latin America when: you have a big complex about the U.S., yet most of the people would emigrate to the U.S. given the opportunity. (<---Some people are not going to like this, but what the heck!)


13. You know you're in Latin America when: people just don't consider breakfast too important, but dinner is a big feast. (No wonder we gain weight as we get older!)


  LatinPlane

[Edited 2006-06-14 10:11:53]

[Edited 2006-06-14 10:13:20]
Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
 
LatinPlane
Posts: 2471
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:05 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:42 pm

Please allow me to answer these two post, specifically answering them, and dedicating them accordingly:


Almost every place in Latin America that I've been to, the freaking toilet seats never stay up! Why? Number One) The landlords usually pay the handymans or peons as little as possible, usually hiring the cheapest labor by hiring folks from the countryside with little or no preparation in construction! Number two) The landlords or home builders usually do as little as possible they can get away with, overlooking minute details that will turn into extra expenditures later in life. Because in Latin American, the general rule is: Do the job in the shortest time possible (no matter the quality); get the money and go! Screw it! Numero Tres.) Corrupt city inspectors who will okay all constructions and give their word that everything is running fine with just a few bucks that are paid under the table.

In the U.S., you bet they need to stay up!

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
And how on Mother Earth did a freakin' toilet seat become a number one seat for being in Latin America?!?

I don't believe for one minute that Germans are not going to care about the toilet seats not staying up. Not when you guys are well-known to be so picky about little details!

I can just hear my German professor yelling the hell out of us for not turning our assignment just as he had given instructions!

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 5):
As for toilet seats, WTF? To be honest, I'm not going to waste my time trying to remember every toilet I went to when I lived there but even if you don't need the seat you can still pee with it in the down position, what's the problem with that? This is a non-issue anywhere in the world.

YES! It's an issue here in the U.S? What the hell are toilet seats for then people??? That a parent didn't do a proper job in showing you as a kid what is right and what is not right, is a different issue not being discussed here.

Here in California., if one is not working, you just call the landlord to send the plumber to fix it. If they don't fix it, then you call the city and report the landlord. This will cause a city inspector to stop by who is looking for things to write up the landlord and for which the city will fine the landlord and make him/her pay a hefty fine to the city for creating "unsanitary living conditions." The landloard will choose to fix the problem, before having the city inspector knock on its doors.

Nobody use the restroom after Look above has used the toilet, because he'll have pee'd all over the seat! If you have to do "NUMBERO DOS" Do you wanna sit down on it after somebody just peeed all over it!

MAN!!!! Get out of here!!! I suppose that you're going to tell me that it is not necessary to wash you hands either after you've use the restroom. Let's not EVER meet in person because I'd just hate to shake your hand.


 Smile LatinPlane
Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
 
LatinPlane
Posts: 2471
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:05 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:02 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 24):
I really hope not, as in Argentina the 'white-non white' thing was never such a divisive issue as in other countries. Specially since the line is not as clear (some very light mestizos could pass for white, and many whites in Argentina are very mediterranean as supposed to blond nordic, though there are quite a few blonds, and redheads too).

Right. And, as much as Argentines used to think that they were more European than Latin American, recent genetic studies have concluded that in fact, Argentines are more Mestizo than they like to think and less pure European than they believed. Here, an article from Clarin:


Clarin (Buenos Aires), 16 de enero de 2005.
EL MAPA GENETICO DE ARGENTINA: ESTUDIO DE EXPERTOS DE LA UBA
Silvina Heguy
El 56% de los argentinos tiene antepasados indígenas
Lo determinaron mediante análisis genéticos. El resto de la población es de origen mayoritariamente europeo. Entre las personas que poseen huellas aborígenes en su ADN, sólo el 10% es indígena puro.



 Smile LatinPlane
Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
 
Derico
Posts: 4209
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 9:14 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 32):

That is the case all over the new world. North Americans are not pure European either as many of them have some native american ancestor, and quite a few african ancestry. Some of them look blonde and all, but then you find out their great-grandparent was non-white.

In the Western Hemisphere, racism based on racial purity is absolute nonsense.
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
 
LatinPlane
Posts: 2471
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:05 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 33):
That is the case all over the new world. North Americans are not pure European either as many of them have some native american ancestor, and quite a few african ancestry. Some of them look blonde and all, but then you find out their great-grandparent was non-white.

That is something that is widely accepted. I have never heard a Caucasian- American deny his Native American background. As a matter of fact, Caucasian-Americans tend to be very proud to state that they have native indigenous blood, if they do. With the African-Americans it also the case. African Americans aren't pure African as people may think. You just have to compare the phenotypes of African-American with Africans from West Africa for example, to figure it out. The genetic background of African Americans is composed not only of European genes, but a very large percentage of Native American genes. All African-Americans, if you ask them, will tell you that they have at least one ancestor who is Native American, and they can also tell you what tribe they were from.

But in most Latin American countries, it is very in style to believe you are a little better when you say that you are the descendant of Europeans immigrants and forget about your native indigenous past. A very Spanish-colonial complex.

Oh yes! You know you're in Latin American, when someone will brag that their great-great-grandparents came from Spain.

With that said, I really am with you that Argentina suffers much less from this complex as opposed to other countries in Latin America, from my point of view. Argentines are very open-minded and welcoming if you ask me!


  LatinPlane

[Edited 2006-06-15 00:52:10]
Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
 
Marcus
Posts: 1666
Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2001 5:08 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 8):
The toilet water spins the other way when you flush...

As long as you're south of the equator Latin America.
**************************

Hmmmmmmm to what side does the toilet water spin in Ecuador?
Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
 
ThaiboynMexico
Topic Author
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:36 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:03 am

Latinplane,

It took me three years and half living here to come up with 3-4 stupid criteria that make Latin America Latin America, most of which I could not even explain and many of which were slipshod byproducts of my drama-queenesque.

But your list is so insightful and comprehensive, causes and explanations included!!! Thank you for getting me out of this. I thought I knew, but I had no clue. You're a better observer and writer than I am. Bravo Maestro.   

Quote:
If you're using a thong to select your baked goods, perhaps the Board of Health should be involved.


You bet CastleIsland....but seriously folks...if you could choose between thongs vs. tongs to pick your morning croissants, which would you choose?

A. Thong


B. Tongs


I'd go with A...with leopard motif please!

  
ThaiboynMexico

[Edited 2006-06-15 22:04:09]
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Marcus (Reply 35):


Hmmmmmmm to what side does the toilet water spin in Ecuador?

Well, I do have video taken from the middle of the world showing that the water does indeed spin in different ways according to the hemisphere you are at. All you do is go to the 'Mitad del Mundo' and do your test.
 
bhmbaglock
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:51 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Marcus (Reply 35):
Hmmmmmmm to what side does the toilet water spin in Ecuador?

Silly, it just goes straight down, no spinning.
Where are all of my respected members going?
 
LatinPlane
Posts: 2471
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:05 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 36):
I'd go with A...with leopard motif please!

(the M word in spanish!) Big grin


I love everything Latin American! My goal is to travel through each country of the region and: see, feel, smell, eat, and absorb as much of its culture as possible. I daunting task because each country in the region varies significantly from one region to the other. For example, a country as big as Argentina has so many differences that what you believe to be truly Argentine in one place, has nothing to do with what is truly Argentine in a different part of the country like Tucuman! Latin America will surprise even the most expert of experts and one should never generalize because the more you think you know, the more you realize that you just don't know enough!

 Smile LatinPlane <--and that is why one I day, I named myself with this username, not because I think I'm a goody-two shoes expert, but because I'm passionate about my people.
Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 38):
Silly, it just goes straight down, no spinning.

And that is what happens when you place the tub of water right in the Equator!
 
AR385
Posts: 6742
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:25 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:49 pm

You are making generalizations that are both fallacious and insulting. You should know by now that as similar as Latam as a region is, it is also as diverse between countries. And then, between regions in the same country. Your thread starter has a lot of nonsense and most of your "experiences" can happen all over the world. If you meant this thread in jest, I fail to find it funny in the least.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
9 times out of 10, toilet seats never stand still in their upright position. You know how you have to lift up the toilet seat before you pee?

I have lived in Mexico (four cities), Bolivia (La Paz and Santa Cruz) Brasil (RIo, Sao Paulo, Bahia, Recife, Victoria, Natal and Fortaleza) Argentina (Cordoba, Buenos Aires and Mendoza) Colombia (Bogota and Barranquilla) Nicaragua, Chile, Peru, and Venezuela.

I have only encountered that issue with the toilets 2 or 3 times maybe and I've also encountered it in France and the US.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
People automatically assume that your money is fake.

That is not true. And it is only in some countries where people are a bit more wary about counterfeit money. Yes, in Argentina it happens. In Mexico, it does not.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
In the U.S., no one worries too much to check if one's bills are fake.

WTHF!... in the US? Where have you been? Most of the new bills coming out have technology inside for stores to scan them with special machines. Just as an example, you may not have noticed when your 100 USD bill is scanned or checked against the light for a special watermark.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
Everywhere you go, you are assumed guilty before proven innocent. You are assumed villain before proven before proven a protagonist. They always think you're a thief first. Houses and stores are locked with maximum security. When you have to go into a store or a restaurant, you have to ring and then wait for them to see if you're not a thief. If they see that you're not a thief, they let you in. If you wear less than decent clothes, they kinda have to probe to see what it is that you want to buy or to get,

At court level, since most laws in Latam are based in the Napoleonic Code, yes, you are assumed guilty until proven innocent. I do not know if this is the case "everywhere you go". But I know it it is the same and worst in France, for example.

I have yet to see a restaurant where this happens. I'm sure there are a very few in Mexico City. And yes, Mexico City has terrible problems with security, about the only logical thing you posted in your thread. But in Monterrey, Santiago, Mendoza, etc ? this is, again, complete nonsense. Also I've never heard about anyone being probed and I sure as hell would not let anybody touch me, unless it was a disco. If anything, in Latam they are less strict with "dress codes" In the US if you forgot to dress accordingly, the restaurant will lend you a coat and a tie. If they don't fit, you're screwed.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
Anything else anyone could relate to and would like to add to this list? And please don't get me wrong...the purpose of this thread is not to provoke but to elucidate.

Elucidate? start by travelling more throughout the region, watch less TV, and inform yourself if you wish to elucidate. You've just made huge generalizations that can practically be applied anywhere in the world. At least LatinPlane has humor in his post.

This thread should be deleted, It is shameful and derogatory in its generalizations.

[Edited 2006-06-16 11:08:53]
 
RCS763AV
Posts: 3650
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:22 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
Everybody is everybody else's enemy. There is no solidarity.

Maybe where you go....

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 11):
1. Applause from all on board the a/c when the wheels touch down.

Very rare in Colombia...but it does happen

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 17):
You know you're in LatAm when you send your party invitations for 7:00, expecting everyone to start arriving at 9:00

Indeed!

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 21):
Lots of streets named after important dates. Other than often referring to Independence Day as the 4th of July, you really don't see that at home but it's everywhere in SA.

Not in Bogota, here we give a number to the street and maybe a name if its an important avenue, but with a number besides.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 30):
2. You know you're in Latin America when: the young people are really hot and good looking (both guys and girls), but the people hitting their 40s are all overweight and ugly. (because for some reason we don't age well - hmmm...could it be the drinking perhaps!)

Well, not in Colombia, here people start looking old maybe at 55-60

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 30):
d.) A soap opera produced in any other Latin American country that on a very rare occasion gets seen worldwide.

You forgot Colombian soap operas, such as Betty la fea, Amor a la plancha, Paquita Gallego, Café....

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 30):
5. You know you're in Latin America when everyone knows "el chavo del ocho!"

Indeed!

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 30):
9. You know you're in Latin America when: the last president of the country is living in exile. (And he's for sure planning his comeback as the new president for the next election.)

Wow! Not in my country, well maybe the a***ole of Samper, but very rare.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 30):
10. You know you're in Latin America when: people are friendly and nice just because. Not like in the U.S., where people are only friendly when they're selling something to you!

Yes. Not like in the US.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 30):
11. You know you're in Latin America: when the normal bank hours are typically from 9:00 to 2:00! (In the U.S., this would mean bankruptcy).

Here in Colombia its 8:00 to 4:00, but its still a bad time! it should be 7 to 6!

You know you are in Latin America when your city´s streets just seem unable to handle the volume of cars they carry!!!!!! (at least in Bogota, Barranquilla and cartagena)
 
ThaiboynMexico
Topic Author
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:36 am

RE: Signs That Let You Know You Are In Latin America

Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:29 am

To everybody who’s reading this thread,

Please let me make a public apology for those who really felt offended by my post. I started this post, thinking that it was a light-hearted subject that pokes fun at some harsh realities we live in. Just like security lines at airports, tourist scams, etc. But perhaps it was clumsiness. Perhaps it was uncalled for. I’m awfully sorry if you felt insulted. I really do apologize. I had no intention to be hurtful none whatsoever. And I’m sorry I pulled other people, especially Latinplane, into this.

Yet you can not speak for me or make me disown what I think. I have been a legal and long time resident of Latin America. I contribute and pay taxes (to which I am subject). I respect the law. And I’ve probably done things to help people here more than some Latin Americans who spend half their lives outside their own countries. This is my land too even though I am not a native. I am entitled to have my own political opinion. It is fair that you disagree with me. May be you think and see things differently because you look at the subject from one lens and I from another. There may have been things I exaggerated and generalized but I still don't think it qualifies as an "insult." I honestly think that in Latin America, race is everything. You’re either light-skinned and successful or dark-skinned and marginalized. And I'm going to speak and think this way until proven otherwise with my own eyes.

That being said, I don’t think I have the right to hurt other people's feelings. For that I am truly very sorry. If at least one person wishes that I delete this thread, I will write to A.net administrators to have it deleted.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Gemuser and 24 guests