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Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:00 pm

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=60367

Bashir had some stupid things to say after he was released from prison like the Australian and American press had altered stories about him and his beliefs.

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FIREBRAND cleric Abu Bakar Bashir has been greeted by a sea of supporters punching fists in the air and screaming "Allah hu Akbar", or God is Great, as he arrived home to his Java boarding school.

After a brief stop to bathe his feet and pray, Bashir immediately launched into a brief sermon, telling thousands of students and onlookers seated in a dusty courtyard before him that Australian Prime Minister John Howard should "convert to Islam".

I haven't heard any media reports about what John Howard has to say to this but it will be intresting if does say anything to it.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:30 pm

Whoever that cleric is, he should convert to Christianity. That would be even better.
 
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):
Christianity.

Nah, make him a venture capitalist. Then he could preach the church of the mighty dollar like the rest of them pretend not to.
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:33 pm



Another damned idiot. He needs to spend less time blowing sh*t up and more time at the dentist.
 
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Aircraft (Reply 3):
Another damned idiot. He needs to spend less time blowing sh*t up and more time at the dentist

you can make similar comparisons between him and a monkey
 
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:01 pm

bearing in mind John Howards homophobia perhaps he already has converted
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:15 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
you can make similar comparisons between him and a monkey

Amen brother, Amen..
 
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:38 pm

He said the families of the dead should understand that they were killed by bombs, not bombers, and that it was "God's will".

That's nice. So the bombs created themselves and placed themselves all the way...

My question is why in the hell did Indonesia release this guy? Should we be considering Indonesia as a terrorist sponsor nation?
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:52 pm

Australia should behave, or it will be shut out of Asia by Malaysia.

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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:56 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 8):
Australia should behave, or it will be shut out of Asia by Malaysia.

Australia behave? wtf? when Indonesia had the Tsunami, who came to their aid? Australia.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:01 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 9):
Australia behave? wtf? when Indonesia had the Tsunami, who came to their aid? Australia.

Zk, meet Zed, our neighborhood Al Qaeda sympathizer.
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 8):
Australia should behave, or it will be shut out of Asia by Malaysia.

Australia behave? for what? trying to protect our citizens? get a life.
 
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
Al Qaeda sympathizer.

That's a serious charge. but based on your persistently anti arab tirades, you do have a trackrecord. Concentrate on Switzerland. A country that benefits from other people's misery.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 9):
Australia behave? wtf? when Indonesia had the Tsunami, who came to their aid? Australia.

Indonesia is not a bankrupt country; it doesn't depend on your benevolence.
Kuwait gave the American's $500mn for Katrina. It doesn't tell it who it should free or lock up.

Australia should behave in Asia. If it doesn't then Malaysia will likely put it in its place and the effect for Australia in the region would be embarrassing.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
Australia should behave in Asia

Define "behave".
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:21 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
If it doesn't then Malaysia will likely put it in its place and the effect for Australia in the region would be embarrassing.

What are they going to Zen??
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
Australia should behave in Asia. If it doesn't then Malaysia will likely put it in its place and the effect for Australia in the region would be embarrassing.

What does Malaysia have to do with this anyway?

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
That's a serious charge. but based on your persistently anti arab tirades, you do have a trackrecord.

I have a track record for been anti-idiot. I can't help it if an awful lot of Arabs fit that description (not that they are alone, by any means).
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
Indonesia is not a bankrupt country; it doesn't depend on your benevolence.
Kuwait gave the American's $500mn for Katrina. It doesn't tell it who it should free or lock up.

yes well it wasn't prepared to assist its own citizens because they had previously wanted independance. It has a bad track record of human rights abuse and extreme corruption..hence why Australia said where the money was to go. Indonesia requested aid... the only group in Indonesia that didn't want aid to go to Indonesia was the local supporters of Al Qaeda. Perhaps you really are an Al Qaeda supporter...or at the very least an Al Qaeda sympathiser..

wow!!! a whole $500mil from kuwait? thats what... 1-2 days worth of oil exports?? a drop in the bucket really... not to mention that the US spends billions in kuwait thru its military etc or that the US liberated Kuwait from Iraq in the 1st gulf war.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:47 pm

It's great to have someone like Zen post his crap, it's almost as much fun as it was with Tasha and that Libturd*** kid.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
bad track record of human rights abuse

Yes a bit like your treatment of the Aboringines. Like the pot calling the kettle black.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
Perhaps you really are an Al Qaeda supporter...or at the very least an Al Qaeda sympathiser..

A canny and effective avenue to silence dissenting opinion. It won't work with me sorry.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
prepared to assist its own citizens because they had previously wanted independance

Australia, was in every way behind the East Timor violent movement against Indonesia. Now that East Timor is a basket case, you will have to deal with it yourselves.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
US liberated Kuwait

A realist would say, there is oil in Kuwait.
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
Yes a bit like your treatment of the Aboringines. Like the pot calling the kettle black.

Would you care to be a bit more specific
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
Yes a bit like your treatment of the Aboringines. Like the pot calling the kettle black.

The old story. How about this? Humanity has evolved over the past few hundred years. What was acceptable hundreds of years ago, like slavery, forced religious conversion etc. is no longer acceptable.

Can the Arab world say the same? Last I heard, much of the Arab world is not exactly tolerant of other religions (even other forms of their own religion), and slavery is still a problem.

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
A canny and effective avenue to silence dissenting opinion. It won't work with me sorry.

We're not silencing you. Nobody I know of has clicked "Suggest Deletion" on you.

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
Australia, was in every way behind the East Timor violent movement against Indonesia. Now that East Timor is a basket case, you will have to deal with it yourselves.

As if the Indonesians never used violence on the Timorese... Check your history on what happened to the independent nation of East Timor in October 1975.

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A realist would say, there is oil in Kuwait.

Are you telling us that the people of Kuwait are worthless?
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 17):
It's great to have someone like Zen post his crap,

You're right. Its rather funny to watch someone post something while completely ignoring facts which disprove his point.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 8):
Australia should behave, or it will be shut out of Asia by Malaysia.

Really shows how sick you are
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:59 pm

not to fussed about those comments from Bashir, i'm more annoyed that he got out of jail early for his crimes and our govt is now pandering to Indonesia by changing our immigration laws. it's the first time i've smelt cracks in the govt for a while, hope the opposition can capitilise on the disunity instead of having it turned around on them.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
Yes a bit like your treatment of the Aboringines. Like the pot calling the kettle black.

Well if you had bothered to notice insted of being ignorant the flag on my profile is that of New Zealand...not Australia. The indigenous people in New Zealand (The Maori's) have in all likelyhood the best treatment that an indigenous race of people have (in fact they get paid out billions of dollars worth some as compensation for some past wrongs but mostly to improve their quality of life which they didn't have previously and were heading for extinction).

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
A canny and effective avenue to silence dissenting opinion. It won't work with me sorry.

Well we have yet to hear you say that you don't support them or at least sympathise with them....

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
Australia, was in every way behind the East Timor violent movement against Indonesia. Now that East Timor is a basket case, you will have to deal with it yourselves.

East Timor was it's on country until Indonesia invaded it in the 1970's and all they have ever wanted was independance. The violence against Indonesia occured as a result of Indonesia renegging on its promise to leave East Timor alone if they voted for independance, after which the UN mandated that Australia and other countries secure East Timor.
What I was referring to in regards to the Tsunami was Aceh Province in Indonesia where about 100,000 people died (half of which most likely due to the slow response of the Indonesian Government!).

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
A realist would say, there is oil in Kuwait.

Yes there is oil in Kuwait... and you point is? Kuwaiti's would not get to do anything with their oil if the US hadn't liberated them from Iraq... Iraq would have stolen all the oil for itself and left Iraqis with nothing.

any further rebuttles?
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 24):
indigenous people in New Zealand

I'm pretty disgusted at the level of western arrogrance and hypocrisry that is consistent in these threads. Link. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0508/S00422.htm
Deal with it.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 24):
Well we have yet to hear you say that you don't support them or at least sympathise with them....

I have nothing to prove to you.
It's bit like saying all Western men are child molesters.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 24):
East Timor was it's on country until Indonesia invaded it in the 1970's and all they have ever wanted was independance.

Fine. Last time I checked Indonesia has well and truly washed it's hands of East Timor. Now they have self destructed. You can deal with it.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 24):
Yes there is oil in Kuwait.

Thank you.
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
It doesn't tell it who it should free or lock up.

So we are not allowed to tell the Indonesians to lock up a known terrorist, but they are allowed to tell us that we should not have set free 40 West Papuans from the toture the Indonesians were giving them.

Our government is getting bullied by the Indonesians, into doing what they want for them. Indonesia is such a corrupt country its not funny and we are unfortuanately making unfair deals with them to get their favour, its disgraceful.

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 18):
Yes a bit like your treatment of the Aboringines

For the last 39 years the Australian governments have been doing everything they possibly can to get the segregation between the Aborigines and the white people (because thats what we are). I see your beloved Middle East is just perfect when it comes to treating people fairly no matter what religion race or even gender they are. Give me a break.

Back on topic Bashir is a real shit head. If anyone has seen people who survived the bombings but got burnt to a crisp, you will see that that monkey like disgraceful human being is just not being treated the way he should be. He should have to go through all the pain some of the people around it had to endure. And he gets treated like a hero.

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:32 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 8):
Australia should behave, or it will be shut out of Asia by Malaysia.

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Quoting Zen100 (Reply 12):
Australia should behave in Asia. If it doesn't then Malaysia will likely put it in its place and the effect for Australia in the region would be embarrassing.
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Zen, is Xanax available in Qatar? Please look into it, Lithium Carbonate may also be an option as well.

No one is being anti-Arab or anti-Muslim in your threads or posts, just anti-Zen, cause you come off like a spoiled nouveu riche little brat.


When you write such odd statements, of course you're going to get a flame fest!
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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 27):
No one is being anti-Arab or anti-Muslim in your threads or posts, just anti-Zen, cause you come off like a spoiled nouveu riche little brat.

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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 26):
For the last 25 years the Australian governments have been doing everything they possibly can to get the segregation between the Aborigines and the white people (because thats what we are

Proabably a bit longer than that QFA380.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 26):
Back on topic Bashir is a real shit head. If anyone has seen people who survived the bombings but got burnt to a crisp, you will see that that monkey like disgraceful human being is just not being treated the way he should be

I totally agree. Yet you have here Zen saying that it is Australias fault for interfering in Asia.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 26):
Our government is getting bullied by the Indonesians

Maybe if you stopped acting like a outpost of George Bush. Carrying out his goals in Asia. You might get respected by Malaysia or Indonesia. Because right now, you're taken seriously by no one in Asia or that they feel to include you in their group. I mentioned, Malaysia, because you have a history of getting in bad relations with them. It's not a good move for you, if you get into it's bad books. Even little Singapore totally ignored your pleas and cry's to save your citizen last year, before they hanged him. Malaysia is a highly respected country in Asia.

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:50 pm

Maybe Zen is looking to recreate a Greater East Asia Coprosperity Sphere, but with a different agenda*



* For those who don't know the term: The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was an attempt by Japan to create a self-sufficient "bloc of Asian nations led by the Japanese and free of Western powers.


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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:53 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 30):

Oh, if so we gave up everything we worked hard for and became a muslim nation and utterly decimated our country's culture, we would be respected in Asia. I'd rather be an outpost for George W. Bush any day.

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 30):
Even little Singapore totally ignored your pleas and cry's to save your citizen last year

Singapore wanted to send a message, that drugs in Singapore was not on and that no matter how hard your country tries they will kill you. I happen to believe that Van Nguyen is currently in a better place all thanks to the Singaporean government.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 30):

Maybe if you stopped acting like an "expert", we could have a civilized discussion. You clearly do not know what you're talking about at all. Tell me where you got your info from. Al-Jazeera?


Would a Qatari smuggling drugs through Singapore be released? What do you really think? Oh so now "little" Singapore does not respect Qatar anymore?

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 30):
Because right now, you're taken seriously by no one in Asia or that they feel to include you in their group.

what absolute drivel. the last time I was in OZ there were thousands of Asians there - I doubt they would have emigrated to a country they didn't take seriously. A lot of them are there because they dont take their own asian countries seriously and aprreciate the freedom and opportunites Australia offers them. Australia is a vital part of the Pacific rim and those Asian countries know it and whether Australia behaves or not they will always be included in their group as you put it.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 34):
the last time I was in OZ there were thousands of Asians there

Not a very patriotism lifting experience.
 
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Quoting QFA380 (Reply 32):
Oh, if so we gave up everything we worked hard for and became a muslim nation and utterly decimated our country's culture, we would be respected in Asia. I'd rather be an outpost for George W. Bush any day.

if we become a muslim nation or anymore of an outpost of the USA i'll gladly file my application for Greek citizenship. I don't mind multiculturalism but i'd not live here if this country turned into another Saudi Arabia. I'm also a little annoyed that we follow the US all the way on certain hot topics. I'd like to see Howard stop asskissing Bush and realise that Asia is where our future lies. Not a fan of him, i think he is a bigot and a lying piece of shit, hopefully the govt will keep cracking and it can be exploited.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 33):
Qatari smuggling drugs through Singapore be released?

In all likelihood at this moment in time, I think they would cover up the issue.
Ensure it never get's to the media and then yes release him. Knowing something about Singapore as i do, with plenty of strings attached. Ie: Business. They are up our ass pretty much everyday here in the Gulf trying to curry favour, so in all likelihood yes.

I think with that poor man, being Australian, the Singaporeans, being in the strong position they are in now, were in someways trying to show, they could stand on their feet now, vis a vis a western power, and would never have released him. Thats my take on it. And i spend 3 months in the region last year so i know it quite well.

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 35):
Not a very patriotism lifting experience.

I didn't mean that in a bad way - apologies if it sounded that way. just trying to demonstrate that the Asians seem to hold Australia in a higher regard than Zen seems to indicate they do.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 32):
Oh, if so we gave up everything we worked hard for and became a muslim nation and utterly decimated our country's culture, we would be respected in Asia. I'd rather be an outpost for George W. Bush any day.

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In my experiences it is best to ignore fools like Zen. He is probably sitting there getting off at the fact that he has ruffled some feathers of infidels

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:10 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 37):
Knowing something about Singapore as i do

Is there anything you are not an expert on?
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Quoting VHOJC (Reply 39):
In my experiences it is best to ignore fools like Zen. He is probably sitting there getting off at the fact that he has ruffled some feathers of infidels

I totally agree! Nothing he says is trust worthy. He must really hate his own life.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 25):
'm pretty disgusted at the level of western arrogrance and hypocrisry

Where's ANC with his pot, kettle, black; or his  redflag  when you need him? Western arrogance and hypocrisy? Sounds an awful lot like arrogance hypocrisy don't make themselves exlcusive to just western nations.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 38):
just trying to demonstrate that the Asians seem to hold Australia in a higher regard than Zen seems to indicate they do

Zen doesn't really know anything about Australia judging from what he says in his posts
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 30):
Even little Singapore totally ignored your pleas and cry's to save your citizen last year, before they hanged him.

Oh please, do continue posting irrelevant facts, it is hilarious to watch.

Singapore would have done *gasp* the same with a Malaysian prisoner, and I doubt that country - respected or not - would even have tried saving a life in this case. Being arrested with drugs in Singapore means pretty certain death.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting VHOJC (Reply 39):
In my experiences it is best to ignore fools like Zen. He is probably sitting there getting off at the fact that he has ruffled some feathers of infidels

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:23 pm

Zen is soo full of BS, its almost unbelieveable.
The scariest part of this, though, is that he's not even aware of it himself
 
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Quoting VHVXB (Reply 43):
Zen doesn't really know anything

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RE: Australian Pm Told To Convert To Islam

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 43):
Zen doesn't really know anything about Australia judging from what he says in his posts

Or a hell of a lot about Asia either...

Quoting Zen100 (Reply 30):
Malaysia is a highly respected country in Asia.

WTF????
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 46):
Zen is soo full of BS, its almost unbelieveable.

Its nothing new AirPacific he likes to pull things out thin air and turn into fact which he knows nothing about especially Australia. its beginning to annoy me the way he is carrying on especially when he thinks everything is Australias fault.

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