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What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:44 am

I'll be going to St Louis in a few weeks for a job interview and was told I would have a day and a half to myself to explore the city and maybe even take a look at some places where I could live initially.

So what's the city like? Is there lot's to do (concerts, parks, etc)?

What about living? There seem to me lots of old buildings being renovated into lofts, which sounds enticing.

Any input from the locals would be appreciated. Thanks!

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:02 am

Saint Louis has experienced the typical Midwestern rust-belt city life cycle... mass exodus out of the core city to the suburbs in the 50s-70s, loss of manufacturing jobs and headquarters, inter-city decline. However, like other cities in a similar situation, the city is enjoying a renaissance of sorts. Downtown is becoming attractive again... residential development is exploding and retail is slowly following. The must-see sights for a short visit are the Mississippi Riverfront and Gateway Arch, the Central West End w/its gaslights and cobblestone streets (very European), Forest Park... site of 1904 World's Fair and Olympics. If you had longer, you could explore the University City and Soulard neighborhoods, take a tour of Anheuser-Busch, and catch a baseball game at the new Busch Stadium. The Metrolink light rail system is very convenient to get from the aiport, through the Central West End, and into downtown. The Zoo and Science Center are also very well-regarded.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:21 am

I thoroughly enjoyed St. Louis while living there. Forest Park is beautiful, plenty to do in the Central West End, Soulard, and the Delmar Loop. Dogtown has some nice restaurants. The museums are fun and free. Lots of sports teams which have very rabid fans. Casinos (Ameristar...damn them! Silly ), a very mediocre ski area, nice hills, beautiful scenery out in West County and toward Defiance on Highway 94. Union Station is nice for hanging out with your buddies, as is Laclede's Landing on the river. Arcelia's on Park is the only decent Mexican food restaurant, though  Wink If you are looking at hip areas to live, Central West End and Soulard were it two years ago.

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:27 am

Ok, thanks for the info. I'll try and see as much as possible during my stay. Thanks also for the residential info, much appreciated.

What's the cost of living like, ie. avg 1b/1b apt or loft rent?

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:29 am

Be careful not to get lost down in E. St. Louis or Washington Park if you venture across the river.  Wink
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
The Metrolink light rail system is very convenient to get from the aiport

Very, very easy to use. Can't get lost at all.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
Science Center are also very well-regarded.

SEA has a better one than STL.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Be careful not to get lost down in E. St. Louis or Washington Park if you venture across the river.

 checkmark  GHETTOVILLE!!!!!!!

It gets very, very humid around this time of year....expecially during the July-Aug months.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:38 am

I lived there for 6 years....besides the horrific weather (hot, humid, muggy) it is a great place to visit and possibly live. Texan is right on the mark with all of his suggestions too. Check out the Zoo. It is free and they have done a lot of work to expand it.

http://www.stlzoo.org
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:36 am

I believe there is a Six Flags also...
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:45 am

If you are into plants the best Botanical Garden in North America is in St. Louis, forgot the name but it is a part of Washington University.

Also it is worth a drive to E. St. Louis to see Cahokia mounds, (Ancient AMerican Indian ruins) but don't get lost as others have already said.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:20 am

As far as places not to live, North City is a very poor, high crime area. East of Skinker, north of Delmar, north of the Central West End, down toward Lindell Avenue all the way toward downtown. East St. Louis and Cahokia also are not good areas to live.

University City is nice, as is Clayton, but both are on the more expensive end. Some nice new lofts are being built down by Union Station as well.

Oh, and try Fitz's on Delmar for food, as well as Blueberry Hill, Chuck Berry's restaurant Wink

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:40 pm

And don't forget.... TED DREWES!!! (Frozen Custard)
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:45 pm

After you check out the Zoo, the Brewery, and possibly a game at the new Busch Stadium...jump on I-70 West and go see Kansas City. You'll like it better.  duck 
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:05 pm

Saint Louis, the Scranton-Wilkes-Barre of the midwest.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 11):
After you check out the Zoo, the Brewery, and possibly a game at the new Busch Stadium...jump on I-70 West and go see Kansas City. You'll like it better

Of course... what's not to like? There's nothing there.

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 12):
Saint Louis, the Scranton-Wilkes-Barre of the midwest.

 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:04 am

It's a bit like Houston minus the fun/nice parts and ocean breeze. BTW I made the mistake of "checking out" downtown Saint Louis once and let me save you the time....there's nothing there.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:11 am

Thanks for all the comments. Well, I guess comparing to where I've lived before it doesn't sound so bad. I lived 2.5 yrs in South Florida and the weather is terrible and then I lived 3.5 yrs in Tallahassee so any place with over a quarter million people living in it is much, much better.

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:47 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 11):
After you check out the Zoo, the Brewery, and possibly a game at the new Busch Stadium...jump on I-70 West and go see Kansas City. You'll like it better.

Agreed! I live just west of Kansas City...it's a great place. However, St. Louis...not so much. The Arch is nice...and few other things are neat...but mostly, it is a crappy, crappy city in an even crappier state!
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:30 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
but mostly, it is a crappy, crappy city in an even crappier state!

Thanks for the very informative travel tidbit, Mr. Frommer..  sarcastic 
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 18):
Thanks for the very informative travel tidbit, Mr. Frommer..

You're welcome...shame we can state our own personal opinions, isn't it?
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:43 am

A friend of mine goes to SLU (Saint Louis University) and absolutely loves the city...could never figure out why!

If you're Catholic, check out the university (Jesuit Institution) and go to mass there or something.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 20):
A friend of mine goes to SLU (Saint Louis University) and absolutely loves the city...could never figure out why!

If you're Catholic, check out the university (Jesuit Institution) and go to mass there or something.

Graduated from SLU. First year was horrible because I didn't have a car nor did I know where anything was. But there is so much culture there and there is truly a lot to do. You just have to explore a little  Smile

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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting Texan (Reply 21):
Graduated from SLU. First year was horrible because I didn't have a car nor did I know where anything was. But there is so much culture there and there is truly a lot to do. You just have to explore a little

when did you graduate? A friend of mine (who graduated in '05) also had a shitty freshman year, but then ended up really enjoying his time there. He was a WN intern with me in the fall of '04...
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting Csavel (Reply 8):
Also it is worth a drive to E. St. Louis to see Cahokia mounds

Please....tell me you are KIDDING!!! E. St. Louis is a national disaster area!!! And should be declared as such!

Quoting Texan (Reply 9):
East St. Louis and Cahokia also are not good areas to live.

I second that!  checkmark  Anywhere in Madison County isnt a good place at all! High HIGH crime area...lack of law enforcement too!

Quoting Csavel (Reply 8):
but don't get lost as others have already said.

Some people have no idea how EASY it is to get lost once you cross the bi-state bridges that connect to Madison County. Its a nightmare! Not to mention: the lack of street signs.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
I second that! Anywhere in Madison County isnt a good place at all! High HIGH crime area...lack of law enforcement too!

E. St. Louis and Cahokia are in St. Clair county, not Madison. Madison County has some VERY nice suburbs (including Edwardsville, Glen Carbon, Collinsville, etc.).
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 19):
You're welcome...shame we can state our own personal opinions, isn't it?

and coming from someone living in the middle of a cornfield and has the Nambia flag displayed, we'll take that into high consideration let me tell you....

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 20):
A friend of mine goes to SLU (Saint Louis University) and absolutely loves the city...could never figure out why!

probably because he has lived here. neat concept. don't you think?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
I second that! checkmark Anywhere in Madison County isnt a good place at all! High HIGH crime area...lack of law enforcement too!

so much untruth to that.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 24):
Madison County has some VERY nice suburbs (including Edwardsville, Glen Carbon, Collinsville

Glen Carbon's costs of housing and land are higher than that of Chesterfield.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 12):
Saint Louis, the Scranton-Wilkes-Barre of the midwest.

that's just a retarded statement. St. Louis has much more recreational and entertainment opportunities than Minneapolis, St. Paul, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Nashville, Louisville, Little Rock, Omaha, Oklahoma City, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Detroit.

the only cities that perhaps even come close would be Cleveland and Indianapolis.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 25):
St. Louis has much more recreational and entertainment opportunities than Minneapolis, St. Paul

More than the other cities you list, yes..... more than the Twin Cities... definitely not. Minneapolis/St. Paul has more theaters per capita than NYC, including 3 Broadway stages, and arguably the best regional theatre with The Guthrie (new $125 million 3-stage facility on the Mississippi). Plus, it's the land of (over) 10,000 lakes, so lots of water sports (pun intended). Minneapolis Institute of the Arts is also very well-regarded, as are the Minnesota Science Center, Children's Museum, History Museum and of course, the Walker Art Museum and Sculpture Garden, etc. Plus, the Twin Cities are spotless compared to St. Louis... the Twin Cities weren't a major rust-belt manufacturing center like STL... the economy was always more white collar, transportation and agricultural-based (flour milling).
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:39 am

A majority of the Minneapolis theaters have gone the wayside and haven't played a legit Broadway series in years...i.e. the State. Plus if you generally look at the national touring schedules, unless a show opens in Minneapolis before heading to New York, the act and artist typically plays St. Louis first and often times the St. Louis engagements are longer than those in the Twin Cities.

Also, St. Louis has everything else you listed and then some. The 10,000 lakes in Minnesota are nice but since a majority of them are the size of a swimming pool, Lake of the Ozarks is just as satisfactory.

And Valleyfair pales in comparison to Six Flags.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 24):
E. St. Louis and Cahokia are in St. Clair county, not Madison. Madison County has some VERY nice suburbs (including Edwardsville, Glen Carbon, Collinsville, etc.).

My mistake, apologies... I thought it was in the same county.

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 25):
so much untruth to that.

See above. But E. STL is a DUMP, no question.
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 25):
and coming from someone living in the middle of a cornfield and has the Nambia flag displayed, we'll take that into high consideration let me tell you....

First, I live in the middle of a cornfield? Interesting, I didn't know suburban Kansas City was a cornfield, good to know.

Second, what does my being from Namibia have anything to do with it? Yes, I was born in Namibia (well, South Africa at that time). Yes I was raised in Namibia to American parents. Yes, when I was 18 (4 years ago) I moved to the USA to go to college at the University of Kansas, but I've travelled to Missouri about 10 times, and I really dislike it.

The point of my comment was to say what I personally thought about St. Louis and Missouri...I stated my opinion, fair and square, and I don't really care if you take it into high, low, or no consideration at all. However, attacking me on the basis of living in a suburban "cornfield" and being from Namibia is quite ridiculous.
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 25):
the only cities that perhaps even come close would be Cleveland and Indianapolis

Not Chicago?
 
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 27):
A majority of the Minneapolis theaters have gone the wayside and haven't played a legit Broadway series in years...i.e. the State. Plus if you generally look at the national touring schedules, unless a show opens in Minneapolis before heading to New York, the act and artist typically plays St. Louis first and often times the St. Louis engagements are longer than those in the Twin Cities.

 Big grin Big grin Big grin

What crack are you on? AS IF you track what broadway shows play STL before MSP. You need to stick to what you know... weed and toated ravioli. Comparing the theatre and arts scene in the Twin Cities to the meager offerings in St. Louis is like comparing New York to Allentown. Specifically what Twin Cities theatres have "gone by the wayside"?? On the contrary, all are thriving.

Ordway's upcoming touring season includes (not all inclusive):
RENT
On Gold Pond
Chicago
Camelot
Spamelot
Edward Scissorhands
Love Janis

Besides numerous concerts, the State/Orpheum/Pantages theatres' upcoming season includes:

La Cage Aux Folles
Awesome 80's Prom (currently off Broadway in NYC)
25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee
Twelve Angry Men
Altar Boyz
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
Doubt
The Light in the Piazza
Hairspray
All Shook Up

Not to even start on the Guthrie's incredible season... or Park Square, Penumbra, Theatre de la Jeune Lune or the numerous other theatre and dance companies. Speaking of dance, Minneapolis will be restoring the Schubert downtown (in the theatre district) specifically for dance. Does STL have a restored early 19th century stage devoted to dance? Does it have 2 world-renowned orchestras?

Does STL have 10 universities and colleges within the city, including the largest Big 10 university, with all of their cultural spaces and offerings? Are St. Louis' Science, History and Children's museums state-of-the-art and built within the last 10 years?

Last time I checked, Lake of the Ozarks isn't anywhere near St. Louis. Lakes Calhoun, Lake of the Isles, Harriet, and Nokomis are all within Minneapolis, and Lake Minnetonka, with an area of 14,000 acres, is 15 minutes from downtown. All have stunning homes and neighborhoods around them. Lake Mille Lacs is 132,500 acres and 2 hours north of the Cities. The St. Croix river is 20 minutes from downtown STP.

What else... OH... ever heard of a little organization called MPR? What about PRI? TCPT?

And most importantly, you didn't even touch the quality of life comparison... because there is none. Try finding North or E. St. Louis in Minnesota.... doesn't exist. The Twin Cities metro unemployment rate is 3.1%. What's St. Louis'?? What's St. Louis' crime rate? What's St. Louis' median home price? Twin Cities is $239,000.

Does St. Louis have 19 Fortune 500 businesses headquartered there?

Does it have 4 professional sports teams?

And we're not even gonna think about comparing airports or air service.

Shall I go on?
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RE: What Is St Louis, MO Like?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:47 pm

OH... one more thing... you win on the amusement park.. Six Flags is better than Valleyfair... of course Valleyfair has a waterpark, and the country's largest indoor waterpark just opened up near the Mall of America...and 2 others of comparable size are opening or getting ready to open. Oh yes, Mall of America... amazing little thing, isn't it? Just getting ready to double it's size too... indoor amusement park WITHIN it isn't bad either.

I also forgot to mention downtown MSP nightlife, vs. downtown STL nightlife... oh well, some other time.
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