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Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:39 am

Hey guys,
Just wondering if any Toronto guys here enjoy Pride, or make a trek downtown for the parade.. straight or not, makes no difference.. after all, it's a festival of love! lol

Anyway, it's become huge, almost 2 million people last year. Huge money maker for the city of Toronto. It can be a little invasive for me, as I live on the strip of "the village", but fun non the less. Going to make my annual pilgrimate to the Sunday night for Peter Rohaufer.

At any rate, if you do attend pride in Toronto, or anywhere else this summer, play safe, and have a Blast!

Billy  Smile
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:16 pm

It is a problem with "Pride". We have a "Pride" week here also. And that do not make homosexuals more accepted at all. It makes them just as different as most of us see them. Or not normal as i call it.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:24 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):
not make homosexuals more accepted at all. It makes them just as different as most of us see them. Or not normal as i call it.

I shouldn't laugh at that! Big grin
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting KLMA330 (Thread starter):
It can be a little invasive for me, as I live on the strip of "the village"

You too, at least i know im not alone! 1 week getting to work though that morrass of people is going to be fun to say the least. I also live in "the village", right at the Statue, and only for reasons of commuting (to the "ugliest office building in Toronto" some people just don't like green trim i guess!).
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:50 am

Definetly not going to a gay pride parade if I'm straight. I don't see any point whatsoever in that. It's like going to an AA meeting when you haven't drank in 20 years.

Personally I don't like the idea. Even though I don't care if you are gay/lesbian its bad for them because it propetuates the stereotype the gays are feminine and wear revealing clothes.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:03 am

I will definatly not be attending any of the festivities. I do however hate this week for the traffic that it causes, getting a big 'ol work dump truck from Richmond Hill down to the Lakeshore during pride week is always a treat. Oh well, I'll avoid the busy areas as best I can.
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):
It is a problem with "Pride". We have a "Pride" week here also. And that do not make homosexuals more accepted at all. It makes them just as different as most of us see them. Or not normal as i call it.

"Not normal"? Thanks, mate.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 4):
Definetly not going to a gay pride parade if I'm straight. I don't see any point whatsoever in that. It's like going to an AA meeting when you haven't drank in 20 years.

Do you even know how many straight people go to Pride?

Even though I've never been, I know *tons* of people, who are straight, who go to pride. From what people tell me, it's one of the best parties Toronto has yearly.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 4):
Personally I don't like the idea. Even though I don't care if you are gay/lesbian its bad for them because it propetuates the stereotype the gays are feminine and wear revealing clothes.

Ohhh my young friend, you have a lot to learn.

The media FOCUSES on that portion of the Pride Week fesitivites simply because it's the most news-worthy part of the week.

Quoting Doona (Reply 6):
"Not normal"? Thanks, mate.

Cheers
Apparently not so normal Mats.

Ignore their ignorance. LOL

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 5):
I do however hate this week for the traffic that it causes, getting a big 'ol work dump truck from Richmond Hill down to the Lakeshore during pride week is always a treat.

Every parade has it's drawbacks, for sure.... the traffic mess is just a nightmare..

What *I* find ludicrous, is the 'seasonally' shut-down of the Don Valley Parkway for all those charity runs..

can't they do all the runs in one day? Versus shutting it down multiple days?

The thing is, every group has it's parade.. The St. Patricks Day parade really sticks out...

If people are 'against' the parade simply because it causes traffic woes, etc.. then we need to ban ALL parade's, and all major public gatherings in Toronto, such as the big mass that the Pope gave a few years ago..

Gotta be fair to all.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 7):

Every parade has it's drawbacks, for sure.... the traffic mess is just a nightmare..

What *I* find ludicrous, is the 'seasonally' shut-down of the Don Valley Parkway for all those charity runs..

can't they do all the runs in one day? Versus shutting it down multiple days?

The thing is, every group has it's parade.. The St. Patricks Day parade really sticks out...

If people are 'against' the parade simply because it causes traffic woes, etc.. then we need to ban ALL parade's, and all major public gatherings in Toronto, such as the big mass that the Pope gave a few years ago..

Gotta be fair to all.

I agree, I'm not a fan of the DVP shutdowns either, that's the main route from Richmond Hill down to the lake, Yonge takes forever, same with Bathurst, Bayview, Leslie, Dufferin and the rest. I would ban any parade that shuts down a major artery into and out of the city, it's not just the Gay Pride parade/week, it's all of those runs, although I do support the Cancer and Heart and Stroke runs, but they could maybe find a better place for them.

I don't care if they shut down Gay Pride, Cancer runs, Heart & Stroke runs, just shut them all down, people give money to the cause, no one gives money to people because they're going to walk for a few hours. Although I do admit that I was on hand when the Pope came.

But still, navagating this city is bad enough, and nothing against the Gay Pride week, but could we maybe just make it a day so that traffic is a little easier, same with Carabana.
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 4):
Personally I don't like the idea. Even though I don't care if you are gay/lesbian its bad for them because it propetuates the stereotype the gays are feminine and wear revealing clothes.

You should think about going to one -- your stereotype is horribly out of date. You need some educating. And BTW, lots of straight people go.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:08 pm

Is this just like the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras?
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:39 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):

Man, what is with you. You normally seem like such an open minded, accepting person, yet you are a complete and total homophobe

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Is this just like the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras?

Probably, just not at Mardi Gras time

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 9):
And BTW, lots of straight people go.

Including my girlfriend and me who will be out there this weekend.
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Man, what is with you. You normally seem like such an open minded, accepting person, yet you are a complete and total homophobe

It is strange. You think it is something wrong with me because i do not think homosexuality is normal. This is one of the questions that only have one PC answer. ACCEPT! But no no no, i will never accept it.  Angry
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 12):
It is strange. You think it is something wrong with me because i do not think homosexuality is normal. This is one of the questions that only have one PC answer. ACCEPT! But no no no, i will never accept it.

I think there is something wrong with you, and a whole lot of other people too. It is wrong not to "accept" human beings, just because they happen to be gay.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 8):
I agree, I'm not a fan of the DVP shutdowns either, that's the main route from Richmond Hill down to the lake, Yonge takes forever, same with Bathurst, Bayview, Leslie, Dufferin and the rest. I would ban any parade that shuts down a major artery into and out of the city, it's not just the Gay Pride parade/week, it's all of those runs, although I do support the Cancer and Heart and Stroke runs, but they could maybe find a better place for them.

You live in Richmond Hill for part of the year, and Windsor for another part, how often are you so badly affected by these woes? Pride Week does NOT shut down traffic for a week. It's just a day, possibly two....same with Caribana (or whatever they're calling it this year).

What about the Santa Claus parade? Should we cancel that?

Toronto has TONS of alternate routes in and out of the city, and any time roads are going to be closed for an event like the Molson Indy, Pride Week, etc., the City gives folks LOTS of notice.

I'm no tree hugger by any stretch of the imagination, but there are also several very effective ways of getting anywhere in Toronto without using your car....subway, GO Bus/Train, bike paths etc.

That being said, Neil, as a proud 416er who once spent some time in Richmond Hill himself (where driving in traffic is FAR more annoying than in 416), I'll let you in a little secret:

Bayview south to Lawrence.
West on Lawrence to Mount Pleasant (2 lights).
South on Mount Pleasant which becomes Jarvis and goes to the lake.

If you ever get stuck on MP, there are plenty of side streets to get you where you want to go toute-suite. MP has never failed me in either direction.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 14):

Toronto has TONS of alternate routes in and out of the city, and any time roads are going to be closed for an event like the Molson Indy, Pride Week, etc., the City gives folks LOTS of notice.

I'm no tree hugger by any stretch of the imagination, but there are also several very effective ways of getting anywhere in Toronto without using your car....subway, GO Bus/Train, bike paths etc.

While it is true Toronto has lots of alternate routes, there are some events that should use these alternate routes! the DVP and Gardiner are not athletics facilities. Have the "run for (insert name here)" on other routes like Bayview or Lakeshore. Routes where they don't cut the only (yes ONLY) major high capacity links into the city core!

Pride week, on the other hand, besides the people living in the area of Chruch, has almost no effect on traffic for most of it. Yonge, like it or not, is NOT a commuter route that anyone with a brain uses. Lights every 30' and on street parking, tons of entrances and exits, more pedestrians... Bayview, Jarvis/Mt Pleasant, University/Avenue and Bathurst are all much better routes, at least up to the 401.
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 15):
Pride week, on the other hand, besides the people living in the area of Chruch, has almost no effect on traffic for most of it. Yonge, like it or not, is NOT a commuter route that anyone with a brain uses. Lights every 30' and on street parking, tons of entrances and exits, more pedestrians... Bayview, Jarvis/Mt Pleasant, University/Avenue and Bathurst are all much better routes, at least up to the 401.

Very true, and as the major money maker of the year for the city, basically suck it up and deal with it. Already a walk up Church earlier on, and the foreign liscence plates are here... let the games begin!  Wink
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:12 pm

Yup I'll be there, flying to YYZ for the weekend to meet up with some friends. Hit me up if anyone wants to hang out!
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 12):
You think it is something wrong with me because i do not think homosexuality is normal. This is one of the questions that only have one PC answer. ACCEPT! But no no no, i will never accept it.

Why? What do gay people do to you? Further, homosexuality is not only normal for humans, it is normal in the entire animal kingdom
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
it is normal in the entire animal kingdom

Tell me about it... When I was living in Israel (Kibbutz Palmahim) I had to go on Lesbian Cow Watch everyday @ 16:00h... to see which cows were humping each other so they would get inseminated next morning...

I went to the YYZ pride in 1993 whilst studying in Montreal.. That was a great party. I would recommend to anyone, whichever gender or species  Smile

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 19):
Further, homosexuality is not only normal for humans, it is normal in the entire animal kingdom

It is around 1-2 % of the population who is REAL GAY. And animals would not be more than that. So if 98-99 % is NOT REAL GAY, so is it easy to find out that it is more normal to be hetrosexual. It is Ok for you or others to be gay but do not force me to accept it, pls! biting 
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
It is around 1-2 % of the population who is REAL GAY. And animals would not be more than that. So if 98-99 % is NOT REAL GAY, so is it easy to find out that it is more normal to be hetrosexual. It is Ok for you or others to be gay but do not force me to accept it, pls!

Hey Bo. Nobody is "forcing it" on you. Maybe you are just taking such an angry stand because you are trying to cover up some feelings? Maybe you want to be the main guy on the lead float of the parade?  scratchchin 
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
It is Ok for you or others to be gay but do not force me to accept it, pls!

Please don't quote me wrong here. I am not gay, as you can clearly see in my profile... however, many friends of ours are, and I see absolutely no problem in them being gay - they are always fun to be around and you can always trust their good taste!

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
It is around 1-2 % of the population who is REAL GAY. And animals would not be more than that. So if 98-99 % is NOT REAL GAY, so is it easy to find out that it is more normal to be hetrosexual. It is Ok for you or others to be gay but do not force me to accept it, pls!

First off, where do you get your statistics?? That's the first time I've *ever* heard about that..

The old statistics is around 10-12% of the population classify themselves as homosexual, and I'd be willing to bet that that # is higher today -- those statistics were taken back in the days when homosexuality was classified as a sin by 'most' of the population, and admitting it in public would be paramount to public suicide...

There is nothing wrong with you believing that being gay is wrong. What is wrong, is treating people differently because of it..

I've got 2 gay cousins, and I've never thought any differently of them. You would never know that 1 of them is gay, apart from the fact that he admits it openly..

You seem to have a lot of anger towards homosexuals, and that is what I tihnk most people here are arguing with you about.... Again, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but it's how you deal with your beliefs..

As for your comments about animals being even 'less' gay than humans, I'd bet if you went to your local veterinarian, and asked them, they'll tell you that MOST animals play around with both sexes when it comes to sexual activity.

Your statements are truly wrong and I will at some point, attempt to prove it with numbers before this thread is done.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 22):
many friends of ours are, and I see absolutely no problem in them being gay - they are always fun to be around and you can always trust their good taste!

My good! It is like saying that black people is so and so, jews are so and so etc. A gay person can be good or bad, like the rest of us. Even gays can have bad taste. And some of them even do not like Judy Garland...!!!

[Edited 2006-06-20 16:47:00]
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 23):
First off, where do you get your statistics?? That's the first time I've *ever* heard about that..

I am talking about people who is ONLY homosexual and NOT bisexual in any way.

Statistics, yes...

If you go to a gay & lesbian pro organisation will you get high numbers and if you go to a religious anti gay organisation will you get low numbers.

A big swedish study gave this figures in 1998 (and is accepted by RFSL - a Swedish gay rights organisation)

Male / Female
Only hetrosexual 95 % / 89 %
Bisexual 4 % / 10 %
Only homosexual 1 % / 1 %
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 24):
My good! It is like saying that black people is so and so, jews are so and so etc. A gay person can be good or bad, like the rest of us. Even gays can have bad taste. And some of them even do not like Judy Garland...!!!

Hey Bo. What was the guys name that turned you down and caused you to be so bitter against gays?
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 26):
Hey Bo. What was the guys name that turned you down and caused you to be so bitter against gays?

I was raped by a old homosexual man when i was a young boy.
Do you think that is funny?
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
I was raped by a old homosexual man when i was a young boy.
Do you think that is funny?

No, I don't think thats funny. However, I think its completely wacked that you are basing your view of gay people off of one who did you wrong? Do you think all the straight women that are raped by men should take a stance like you do? Do you think that all men who get raped by women (and it happens more than one would think it does) should go off on hate filled rants towards all women because one woman did them wrong? Just because a gay man raped you when you were young doesn't mean all gay men would do it to you or are bad people. Watch some more American T.V. and lighten up.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
I was raped by a old homosexual man when i was a young boy.
Do you think that is funny?

No one would think that's funny.

So you base your opinions upon the fact that one HUMAN BEING was screwed in the head?

Your analogy is almost like saying that all homosexuals are violent pedophiles..

What that PERSON did to you was absolutely horrific, and totally uncalled for (if it did indeed happen, unless you're just being a sarcastic homophobe).

But to base your views on homosexuality around the fact that one guy was totally screwed in the head is just wrong.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:33 am

Those statistics are wrong. The correct number is around 10% and there are new studies on the way to suggest it goes as high as 12%. If you don't believe those numbers, that is fine but stop and consider this:

It was mentioned that over 2 million people are expected to attend pride in Toronto. Considering Toronto has a population of 4.5 million, that 2 is roughly 50%. Not that all 2 are gay, it just goes to show you how many people know someone is, are supportive or even are. Every year in WEst Hollywood over 500,000 people come out for its big parade and pride weekend. Again there are 3 million in LA, thats about 20%.

EVERY situation I have been in, whether work, on a plane, in a public place, its become evident that there is always consistently about 1 or 2 out of 10 that are.

Its also funny when guys in their late 20s on discuss fraternities if they were in them and who was outed or suspected as being gay. I always ask, how many guys were in the frat total, and how many guys were known to be gay or suspected. It always falls to about 9-11%. I.E. if there 60 guys in the house about 5 or 6 were later found to be gay. My fraternity had over 120 members and indeed we know about 12 (incuding myself) that were.

I always think about it when I fly....i.e. if I'm on a flight that holds 180 people at least 18 of them are.......that seems high! I always look around to see if Mr. Right could be there.  Smile

So yeah, the ten percent holds strong and true. Thats fine if the religous right wants to quote 1% or whatever. But OBJECTIVELY speaking, in normal day to day life, I've always seen the 10 hold up rather well.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 29):
So you base your opinions upon the fact that one HUMAN BEING was screwed in the head?

Ofcourse not. I just gave a answer to a question.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 30):
The correct number is around 10%

You can not find ANY serious study that tell us that 10 % of the population is 100 % gay, and will never in their life have sex with other than the same sex.
10 % can be OK if you talk about homo- and bisexual active people. But we are then talking about western countries ofcourse.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:08 am

Ten Percent is the standard # issued by the Kinsey study and since replicated by universities around the world. Yes this number can be a theoretical one. However based on real life experience, I have found this number to be extremely accurate. 99% of all gay people stick with having sex with the same sex over their lifetimes and are unlikely to consistently stray to the opposite on a regular basis as you suggest.

This is not reflective of the western world but of the human population in general.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:53 am

USA Today, in its April 15, 1993 issue published the following statistics from a Planned Parenthood/Alan Guttmacher Institute study:
- Only 2.3% of males ages 20 to 39 said they had experienced a same-sex relationship in the past decade. Only 1.1% said they were exclusively gay.

Bruce Voeller, a gay activist has admitted in his book, "Some Uses and Abuses of the Kinsey Scale" that the 10% figure was a myth used to promote the homosexual agenda. According To Voeller: ...after years of our educating those who inform the public and make its laws, that concept that 10 percent of the population is gay has become generally accepted as “fact.” ... As with so many pieces of knowledge and myth, repeated telling it made it so…

In short, the 10% was used by homosexual activists to promote their political and social agenda. They knew it to be false but used it anyway.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 32):
You can not find ANY serious study that tell us that 10 % of the population is 100 % gay, and will never in their life have sex with other than the same sex.
10 % can be OK if you talk about homo- and bisexual active people. But we are then talking about western countries ofcourse.

Oh my.. You live in a sheltered world.

The Western World has absolutely ZERO bearing on numbers of gay people!!!!

Your thinking is completely flawed, and way-off-base.. you're talking like you come from Mars.

I'm not even going to continue this discussion with you, because your unobjectivity to the situation and your unability to see past the tip of your nose is truly disturbing and absolutely annoying.

Happy Pride Week to all my gay friends.

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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:50 am

Who's to say Planned Parenthood or Bruce Voeller are experts? They have no more credibility if more than Kinsey. But for the sake of your argument. Fine. Lets say only 1 -2 % of the world is gay. That still doesn't explain the 10-50% of the population turning out for pride weekends in Toronto, Amsterdam, NY, San Francisco, LA need I go on?

Also look at the whole gay economy. Based on sales for such things as Gay DVDs, magazines (out, Genre, Instinct) viewers on gay.com, gay360, HereTV, LOGO, the number of editorials, request for gay stories to newspapers across country, active involvment of gay clubs (Softball leagues, soccer leagues, golf, business associations) NOT to mention my own personal experiences mentioned above-its 10-12%. If it were 1 or 2, there is no way this kind of media would exist, ever. Also there have been consumer studies as well to identify gay consumers vs. Latino, Asian, white etc. Those studies yield 10 as well
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 32):
You can not find ANY serious study that tell

I think Kinsey's study was pretty serious
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
I think Kinsey's study was pretty serious

Approximately 25% of the 5300 individuals Kinsey used were prison inmates, who by the nature of their confinement, couldn't have heterosexual intercourse. This is never admitted directly, of course, but it is known that 37% of the sample were non-college educated, and that 75% of this group were prisoners. This translates into 1471 inmates out of a total group of 5300, a sample which is supposed to be representative of the American population. Further skewing the results is the fact that 44% of these inmates many of whom were jailed for sex offenses, had "homosexual experiences" while in prison.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 35):
I'm not even going to continue this discussion with you, because your unobjectivity to the situation and your unability to see past the tip of your nose is truly disturbing and absolutely annoying.

OK, it is up to you.  wave 

Ps. Kinsey also admitted using "several hundred male prostitutes" in his sample. If all were included, this alone could throw off his ten percent figure by half, or more. Ds.
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:00 am

Geez, you like statistics don't you?

Who cares if its 10% or 0.1%? I don't particularly care whether someone has sex with males or females. Its up to them... there business.
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting JER757 (Reply 40):
Who cares if its 10% or 0.1%? I don't particularly care whether someone has sex with males or females. Its up to them... there business.

Pride etc is a typical example that gay people keep it for themself... Big grin
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 41):
Pride etc is a typical example that gay people keep it for themself... Big grin

Ahh I see, well I'll let all them World Cup supporters marching and singing through the streets at night to keep it to themselves.

Ooh, good luck against Germany! You may need it!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting JER757 (Reply 42):
Ahh I see, well I'll let all them World Cup supporters marching and singing through the streets at night to keep it to themselves.

If the whole World Cup thing isn't a way for the machismos of the world to show their Pride, I don't know what is... To each their own, just don't spoil our fun please  Smile
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting JER757 (Reply 42):
Ooh, good luck against Germany! You may need it!

Do not be to sure. We have 11 real men... alert 
 
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 41):
Pride etc is a typical example that gay people keep it for themself...

Oh do they? Having attended Toronto Pride this past weekend I will tell you that it wasn't just gay people in the parade. The Mayor of Toronto along with the likely future head of the Federal Liberal Party and the head of the NDP were all marching.
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RE: Pride In YYZ Next Week

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:58 pm

I thought about going to EuroPride in London, I think that's July 1st, then I realised I had no-one to go with  Sad. Personally, I've always believed the 1 in 30 men rule, its certainly true of my year at school. Out of 146 pupils in my year, 3 are exclusively gay (including myself), and 2 are bisexual. I however suspect there are more gay people in my school. I go to an all boys school.

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