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Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:28 pm

A nationwide crackdown on illegal aliens has led to apprehension in some areas of San Diego.

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Day laborer Fredy Calleja said his uncle was arrested about two weeks ago while watering plants outside his home. An agent asked him about someone suspected of selling drugs in the area. When the uncle said he didn't know the drug dealer, the agent asked if he was in the country illegally and arrested him when he said he was.

Calleja said his uncle was deported but then sneaked across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. He was back in San Diego a little more than a week later.

It looks like the pendulum is swinging back toward enforcement, but how long can this last?

See:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060618/..._re_us/immigration_arrests_fallout
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:56 pm

About time. Illegals have had a free ride long enough. Hopefully, with Gilchrist's backing and the various other high-profile, high-visibility supporters of The Minutemen and other lobbying groups, we'll see a bill passed that will protect AMERICA and it's LEGAL residents, instead of those that have invaded.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
A nationwide crackdown on illegal aliens has led to apprehension in some areas of San Diego.

Is there a downside here?

The free ride is OVER.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:07 am

I see this as a positive change. They are scared, as criminals should be.

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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Calleja said his uncle was deported but then sneaked across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. He was back in San Diego a little more than a week later

Thats sad. Really is. Also shows how well those 600 dollar oneway tickets for the illegals go.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):

well said sir. well said

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Is there a downside here?

 no 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
The free ride is OVER.

 yes 
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
I see this as a positive change. They are scared, as criminals should be.

Harry

Are they going after the people who employ them as well?

They should put undercover officers pretending to be illegal immigrants to ask for work at Home Depot. When Suzy Homemaker comes looking for someone to clean her pipes (no pun intended) Bam! send her to jail!

Would that ever happen? Anyone fails to see the double standard?
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):

Are they going after the people who employ them as well?

If they aren't, they should.

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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 4):
Also shows how well those 600 dollar oneway tickets for the illegals go.

As I said before, to blazes with buying a nice plane ride home for the illegals . . .

Solution #1: Surely, AZ or CA or TX or NM Air Guard has a C-130 sitting around doing little to nothing - or in need of a training flight. Those damn things will hold a hundred people at least. Load 'em up, fly to MEX, drop 'em off. Here ya go Vicente Fox . . . . present for you and your government that doesn't officially condone the illegal immigration into the US and whose countries primary source of income is the US$ from these people. . .

Solution #2: Give them AR385's "Illegal Immigration Guide to Safe Desert Crossing" and tell them to read it backward and move out.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Solution #1:

Actually sir, they hold between 90-128 troops sitting on benches along the walls. I mean, its not the comfortable ride, but its only a few hours home  Smile

That being said, here in CEF land we have an idel C5 and that hold about 200 or so troopers, plus a pax cabin of 70, we could start a PHX-MEX shuttle  Smile

But reading the rest of your post, if you were not on my RU list, you are now. Thats brilliant shit sir.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):
That being said, here in CEF land we have an idel C5 and that hold about 200 or so troopers, plus a pax cabin of 70, we could start a PHX-MEX shuttle  Smile

I'd opt for the Herc . . . it's a tactical aircraft, doesn't need ground support, and can land anywhere - really - there's flat, hard, reasonably level ground. Damn thing can back itself up, blah, blah, blah . . . drop the ramp, out they go. Close the ramp, and adios . . . .

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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
If they aren't, they should.

Harry

They are not. What does that tell you? I think that this will have a greater impact.

Make some white people examples and see how most others will not risk getting caught and be sent to jail. If you send illegals 100 back - they will try again.

The recourrence will be lower if you target the right group. Which - i contend - are the users of illegal labor
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
It looks like the pendulum is swinging back toward enforcement, but how long can this last?

Until after November and their respective seats in Congress/Senate are secured.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 4):
Thats sad. Really is. Also shows how well those 600 dollar oneway tickets for the illegals go

Just like everything else the government does, pay too much and it doesn't help in the long run.

Even though I am here legally, and it was a dream of mine to move here, I didn't have the guts to try to do it illegally, but all credit to those who have made it here. If the government had done something over the years to secure the borders instead of pumping millions of dollars into weapons and propping up other countries then there might not be a problem.

How many American citizens do you see lining up on the street corner to find work every day like these immigrants do. Until the government ensure every citizen is working that is able to work then no-one should bitch about immigrants earning money. The employers should pay them a decent wage and deduct tax and some kind of healthcare expense until the government can get them on the social security system.

There are bigger problems in this country including the lack of socialized medicine for those who need it the most. Why should unisured people pay double what a company making billions of dollars a year pay for the same service? Oh wait - those people don't provide free vacations and cash to the politicians!
 
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
How many American citizens do you see lining up on the street corner to find work every day like these immigrants do

Not many, but im here in the Northeast

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
Why should unisured people pay double what a company making billions of dollars a year pay for the same service?

Because they are uninsured and more then likely not working and living off my taxes.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
Until the government ensure every citizen is working

You forgot a key word. Until every legal citizen is working

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
If the government had done something over the years to secure the borders instead of pumping millions of dollars into weapons and propping up other countries then there might not be a problem.

Oh please. Im not going to humor this except to say that I find it hard to beleive that you think that the government hasnt been trying to rid the country of the socal catalyst.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
You forgot a key word. Until every legal citizen is working

He didn't forget a key word. How can you be an illegal citizen...?
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
He didn't forget a key word. How can you be an illegal citizen...?

Seems to me as he is throwing everyone who lives in american as a citizen.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
You forgot a key word. Until every legal citizen is working

No I didn't forget a word!

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):

He didn't forget a key word. How can you be an illegal citizen...?

Exactly!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 15):

Seems to me as he is throwing everyone who lives in american as a citizen.

Not at all! A citizen is someone who is born here or has become naturalized.
 
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):

Not many, but im here in the Northeast

So am I, and I see immigrants every day lining up to work, or are you telling me that there is no unemployment in the Northeast affecting Caucasians?

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):

Because they are uninsured and more then likely not working and living off my taxes.

Not necessarily. When I moved here, neither myself or my wife had a job. We weren't living off anyone's taxes, we lived off our savings, but had to pay double what my insurance now pays for the same things. (I have very good insurance now which picks up the majority of my medical expenses)
 
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:29 am

I'm curious as to how the police officer got from asking about a drug dealer to questioning someone's legal status in the country. That seems like a pretty big leap. Does this officer go around and ask everyone with an accent if they are legal?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Is there a downside here?

 yes 

Without those illegal immigrants, the average home would cost at least another $10,000 to build. Illegal immigrants have become an important part of our economy, like it or not. Prices would skyrocket without them, and booting millions of people would do incredible harm to the economy. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent, hardworking people, just trying to scrape by and help their family. No point in punishing them for doing jobs Americans don't want to do.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
No point in punishing them

The fact it, they are criminals. And they do much harm to the American economy as well, not just help. Every time they go to the hospital, and don't pay, etc, etc, hurts the economy.

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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:40 am

I am somewhat mixed on this subject. I agree that entering ones country should be done legally.

Question: What would happen if I ran across the border to Mexico? Would I face stiff consequences?

Perhaps Mexico should increase security on the borders too.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
The vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent ...people

That's an interesting comment, seeing as we're talking about criminals who have no regard for the law.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 20):
Question: What would happen if I ran across the border to Mexico? Would I face stiff consequences?

You bet you would. There are horror stories of the way some people have been treated when they've crossed Mexico's southern border illegally. Unfortunately Vicente Fox seems to believe in double standards. He patrols his southern border the way we would like the American southern border to be patrolled, yet he throws his toys out of the pram every time someone mentions bulding a big fence or rounding up and deporting the illegal masses. Unfortunately, he's also in bed with Bush.

And therein lies the current, immediate problem. Georgy-boy doesn't want to offend Vince.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
Georgy-boy doesn't want to offend Vince.

Exactly. I hope our next POTUS will have the balls to stand up against Fox and the rest of the Mexican politicians. He just panders to these fools.

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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
You bet you would. There are horror stories of the way some people have been treated when they've crossed Mexico's southern border illegally. Unfortunately Vicente Fox seems to believe in double standards. He patrols his southern border the way we would like the American southern border to be patrolled, yet he throws his toys out of the pram every time someone mentions bulding a big fence or rounding up and deporting the illegal masses. Unfortunately, he's also in bed with Bush.

And therein lies the current, immediate problem. Georgy-boy doesn't want to offend Vince.

You hit the nail right on. Maybe if Fox would create a better life for mexicans, then we would not have such a problem. If Bush would create a better life for Americans, I would not think about running to Mexico! LOL! Darn, wonder what Canada has to offer?
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:15 am

Many of those people who came here illegally or planning to come here are doing what they think is in the best interest of them and their family.....They work hard for very little wage and are often mistreated by their employees.....Believe it or not those people who hang out outside your local 7-11 only represent a small percentage of the illegal population....
BUT this is the United States of America and its' government should do what's in the best interest of the American people.....They are dragging our wages down, altering our culture, and I don't feel safe walking around with millions of people who are virtually unknown to my government. I support the guest worker program but I am against amnesty. Amnesty will only encourage more people to hop across the border not mentioning rewarding criminal behavior....The Mexican government should really get their act together about their economy they have a lot of natural resources and given their proximity to largest consumer in the world plus a population that doesn't demand a lot in return they should just be more than a third world country...Furthermore they also don't pay taxes and taxpayers pay for their hospital bills, education, housing among others.....
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
wonder what Canada has to offer?

I think I'd go to Winnipeg. It was full of cute chicks who were suckers for an English accent when I was there...
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
The vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent, hardworking people, just trying to scrape by and help their family.

They are also, without question, criminals. They have broken the law.

I know they work hard, I know they're decent folk generally, I know they want to earn a living for their family. I don't begrudge them for that . . .

They have broken the law; usually over and over as their first attempt to enter may not be successful, and are therefore criminals. Our tax $$$ support them in every manner - border security tax $$$, medical care tax $$$, food/housing subsidy tax $$$.

Damage the economy? Naaa, we can shift from paying the taxes we pay to get them all the FREE SHIT, to paying $5 for a pint of Strawberries (which, in season at the moment, are already $9.95 a pint in Anchorage - so what).

I consider that the winning proposition. I'd rather pay the extra $1.00 per avocado than have this flood of illegal immigration - obviously blessed in Mexican immigrants case by their government.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
Maybe if Fox would create a better life for mexicans

Why go to all that trouble . . . just tacitly endorse illegal immigration into the US and you've got no problem. Hell, we have our very own former (maybe current) Mexican Gov't Official - AR385 - right here on A-Net that hands out maps with instructions on how to beat the border . . . "safely". Can't forget that part - it's a "Safety" manual . . .  sarcastic .
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:44 am

This is what's wrong with the whole system:

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/p...60607/NEWS03/606070371/1026/NEWS10

A village in New York State was required to halt construction of a shelter for day laborers, not because it would be possibly encouraging the hiring of illegal aliens, but because it was on state land and in a flood plain.

Okay, I get that the result was the same, but sometimes I just have to shake my head.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 19):
The fact it, they are criminals.



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
That's an interesting comment, seeing as we're talking about criminals who have no regard for the law.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
They are also, without question, criminals. They have broken the law.

Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)? Did you ever shoplift anything while growing up? How about jaywalking? Every adult has broken one law or another.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
Damage the economy? Naaa, we can shift from paying the taxes we pay to get them all the FREE SHIT, to paying $5 for a pint of Strawberries (which, in season at the moment, are already $9.95 a pint in Anchorage - so what).

I consider that the winning proposition. I'd rather pay the extra $1.00 per avocado than have this flood of illegal immigration - obviously blessed in Mexican immigrants case by their government.

It isn't that simple. Many areas along the US-Mexico border would be in huge trouble if all the illegal immigrants were magically transported to the other side of the border. There simply would not be enough people to work the jobs that exist, and businesses would falter.

Plus, what would happen when millions of consumers suddenly vanish. Sure, they aren't big spenders, but they have to eat, have to have a roof over their head, have to be clothed, etc.... Immigrants aren't just a black hole, sucking in money and sending it across the border.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):

Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)? Did you ever shoplift anything while growing up? How about jaywalking? Every adult has broken one law or another.

No, I have never shoplifted, and you are comparing two very different things. You are basically saying you can't criticize felons if you have ever committed a parked illegally.  Yeah sure

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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 29):
You are basically saying you can't criticize felons if you have ever committed a parked illegally

Have you ever knowingly broken the law?
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)? Did you ever shoplift anything while growing up? How about jaywalking? Every adult has broken one law or another.

If I drive above the speed limit or jaywalk, I would expect to pay the price if an officer of the law deemed my infraction serious enough to write me a ticket. There's no difference.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):

Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)? Did you ever shoplift anything while growing up? How about jaywalking? Every adult has broken one law or another.

R I D I C U L O U S comparison.

The answer to your questions is no. I have never knowingly broken the law.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)?

Yes, on and off duty . . .

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
id you ever shoplift anything while growing up?

No

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
How about jaywalking?

Depends on where I am, if I want to survive crossing the street in some places it's smarter to wait for the little "Walk" light.

And none of this is relevent - and none of this compares to illegally entering a country. It's chickenshit examples, you know it, I know it, and anyone with any sense knows it.
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Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
Plus, what would happen when millions of consumers suddenly vanish.

It costs us more to support them than it they spend . . . what would be the loss here?

Get a legal working migrant worker program in place . . . I'd be happy with that.

Bottom line - if you're not here legally, take your ass outta here - back to where ever . . .
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
Darn, wonder what Canada has to offer?

Hmmm...where should I begin?  Wink
 
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
And none of this is relevent - and none of this compares to illegally entering a country.

I'm just trying to make a point. Everyone calls for them to be tossed out for intentionally disobeying the law. However, everyone intentionally breaks the law once in a while. It's just a little hypocritical. Perhaps the issue is that I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. These people put their life on the line crossing the desert, to try and get a better life. They aren't harming anyone. Why don't they get the same slap on the wrist as someone who jaywalks or speeds?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
It costs us more to support them than it they spend . . . what would be the loss here?

Huh??? I doubt that very much. Plus, you can't just factor in their direct spending. There are a lot of indirect benefits as well. How about the business that employs them? That business makes money and pays taxes, and spends to buy things from other businesses.

Anyone who feels that the illegal immigrants could disappear without serious economic harm, has either never lived in a border state, or wasn't paying attention to their surrounding while they were there.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
Get a legal working migrant worker program in place . . . I'd be happy with that.

I would have no problem with a guest worker program, but it isn't going to work if the idea is to throw everyone out and make them apply. They will simply choose to stay illegally instead of facing that uncertain future. The program won't work unless illegals in this country could apply without being tossed out.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):
Suzy Homemaker

Rather than targeting Suzy Homemaker who has no way to check on a person's legal status, why not go after Home Depot who does?

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
How many American citizens do you see lining up on the street corner to find work every day like these immigrants do.

Well actually in the Four Corners I saw more American's (Native and European) than immigrants. Actually come to think of it I saw no immigrants on street corners, only Americans. Nice try though.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 20):
Question: What would happen if I ran across the border to Mexico? Would I face stiff consequences?

You'd be running southbound into a northbound stampede.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
Damage the economy? Naaa, we can shift from paying the taxes we pay to get them all the FREE SHIT, to paying $5 for a pint of Strawberries (which, in season at the moment, are already $9.95 a pint in Anchorage - so what).

In an ideal world, yes. In America, that wouldn't happen, you'd simply see an added "profit" (re: pork) margin in the government.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):

Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)? Did you ever shoplift anything while growing up? How about jaywalking? Every adult has broken one law or another.

Where ANC is, the only danger in Jaywalking is getting run over by a moose.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
And none of this is relevent - and none of this compares to illegally entering a country.

I'm just trying to make a point.

Very weak, almost non-existent. . .

Now, were you to use a felony as an example, then you'd at least be in the ballpark. As me something like: "Have you ever killed anyone", no wait - I'd have to answer yes to that, but then it was in the line of duty, and then it gets complicated. . .

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
Everyone calls for them to be tossed out for intentionally disobeying the law.

 checkmark  Forthwith.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
They aren't harming anyone

BS, they harm me and every single tax paying American . . . to the tune of several $BILLION a year in support . . . . oh, and lets not stop there . . . how about the unlicensed, uninsured motorist that crashes into the neighbors car, and the neighbor pays; how about the unpaid medical bills that drive up the costs of medical care for everyone else? Shall I continue?

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
Why don't they get the same slap on the wrist as someone who jaywalks or speeds?

Another ridiculous comparison. One is a felony, the others are not. Why not give the murderer the same penalty as the jaywalker. Sounds pretty frackin' stupid doesn't it? Same difference . . . .

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
Huh??? I doubt that very much. Plus, you can't just factor in their direct spending. There are a lot of indirect benefits as well.

I don't doubt it - the cost of harboring these illegals is extraordinary. Law Enforcement costs, medical costs, education costs, lost income tax revenue, on and on . . . all well publicised.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
has either never lived in a border state,

Yes I have.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
or wasn't paying attention to their surrounding while they were there.

Yes, I did - which is exactly WHY I think they need to go - ASAP. Quicker the better.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 35):
They will simply choose to stay illegally instead of facing that uncertain future.

Then continue to round 'em up and ship 'em home . . . by the train load if necessary. And to hell with these $600 plane tickets . . . pack 'em into a C-130 like I said above . . . no need for them to get a first class airplane ride outta town . . .

Send every illegal immigrant home - NOW. Get a Guest Worker/Migrant Worker program in place and operating ASAP. And make it a viable one, one that works, not the usual shoddy US Gov't debacle . . . get it done, and get it done right.

Over 85% of American's want them out. Get them out. If the American's are serious about wanting them out, and I think they are, most have probaby taken the time to study the ramifications - as I have - and would prefer the consequences to the status quo.

Get 'em out - NOW!
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:00 pm

ANCFlyer, will you please run for president? You've got my vote...
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 38):
ANCFlyer, will you please run for president? You've got my vote...

Ha Ha Ha . . . that would be two I'd get . . . mine and yours . . .

Inquiry: Would I be able to keep my cap???  rotfl 
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
Ha Ha Ha . . . that would be two I'd get . . . mine and yours . . .

Mine too

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
Inquiry: Would I be able to keep my cap???

Yes, Furthermore, it will become a federal mandate for all citizens to wear a "US Army, Retired" cap in support of our leader.  Wink
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:04 pm

Heck ANC, here's a third vote, and yes, you can keep the cap. Just keep this stance on immigration.
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Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 36):
Rather than targeting Suzy Homemaker who has no way to check on a person's legal status, why not go after Home Depot who does?

Why dont they? Evryone here seems to ignore this...

How about a National ID given only to those who are here legally?
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Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 42):
How about a National ID given only to those who are here legally?

Because the ACLU would have a  hissyfit  about how this would infringe Americans' civil liberties?

The story mentions that an agent deported this guy. I'm assuming this was a Federal agent. If my assumption is correct, can any agent of a federal law enforcement agency deport someone if the suspect fails to produce evidence they're legal? I was always under the impression that only INS/Border Patrol does that.

Not sure if the law has changed or not, but a few years back in Austin, the local PD started a campaign to try to get illegals' to stop thinking they would get deported if they came forward with information in regards to any investigation because the PD's claim was that they couldn't do anything about the person's residency status anyway.
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Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:56 am

Reading the story, it surprised me as well that the gentleman was summarily deported. However, it seems to me that such legally constituted authorities do have the right to enforce federal as well as state and local law.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Calleja said his uncle was deported but then sneaked across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. He was back in San Diego a little more than a week later.

That's the problem and why the border wall needs to be built, and the border needs to be fully militarized. I don't let someone breaking into my home do it twice, I'd shoot them. Why should these criminals be allowed back in?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Solution #2: Give them AR385's "Illegal Immigration Guide to Safe Desert Crossing" and tell them to read it backward and move out.

 rotfl 

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 22):
Exactly. I hope our next POTUS will have the balls to stand up against Fox and the rest of the Mexican politicians. He just panders to these fools.

Jorge Bush is in cahoots with the whole thing, under the guise of "compassionate conservatism." His position is intellectually indefensible. I hear ya 100%!

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
Every adult has broken one law or another.

Stupid comparison. Being 5 mph over the speed limit is nothing like invading my nation, stealing my birthright, bankrupting my resources and demanding rights that are not theirs to have.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
Ha Ha Ha . . . that would be two I'd get . . . mine and yours . . .

You got mine. ANC, ANC, ANC....I can hear the grassroots campaign building now!  Wink
 
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:27 am

Another lookback in history.

Proverbs 28:1 I think

The wicked flee when no man pursueth; But the righteous are bold as a lion.

and numerous other observations of a similar nature.
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 46):
The wicked flee when no man pursueth; But the righteous are bold as a lion.

I've always liked Proverbs.

[Edited 2006-06-22 17:30:01]
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Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 38):
ANCFlyer, will you please run for president? You've got my vote...

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! We cannot afford a nuke war at this time! LOL! I don't want to die!!!!!  Smile
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