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NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:04 am

Starting tomorrow, Vancouver will host the 2006 NHL Entry Draft and since soon after that the NHL Seasonal Awards will be handed out, I thought there might be room for discussion. This is all in addition to the various player, coaching, and staffing changes that'll invariably occur throughout the summer months. No matter what happens, it's *always* interesting!

So, who's gonna win what award? Who'll be picked first overall? Which picks will we see on the ice in October? Has your team done anything notable yet (player trades, front office changes) this offseason? And has there been any juicy gossip? Lol.

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Just as a refresher for many and a primer for the rest, the awards are as follows:

Hart Memorial Trophy, Most Valuable Player during the regular season
James Morris Memorial Trophy, best defenseman
Vezina Trophy, best goaltender
Frank J. Selke Tropy, best defensive forward
Calder Memorial Trophy, Rookie of the Year
Jack Adams Award, Coach of the Year
Art Ross Trophy, regular season scoring title
Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy, leading goal scorer during the regular season
William M. Jennings Trophy, lowest team goals-against average
Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy, Perserverance, Sportsmanship & Dedication to hockey
King Clancy Memorial Trophy, Leadership Qualities On & Off the Ice, Humanitarian
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy, Best Sportsmanship & Gentlemanly Conduct
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We've already seen one award, the Conn Smythe Memorial Trophy for the Most Valuable Player of the playoffs, go to Cam Ward, who I'm sure no one will deny earned and deserved it. But will that hold for all the other awards?  scratchchin 


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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:13 am

Hart:
SHOULD be Thornton, but Jagr will win it just because of the media saturation in New York.

Norris:
Lidstrom sill beat out Neidermayer for the same reason as above.

Vezina:
Kipprusoff is a clear-cut favorite.

Selke:
Zubov will win it after being cheated out of it so many times before, although Brind'Amour will give him a run for his money.

Calder:
Ovechkin. Enough said.

Jack Adams:
Laviollete (Carolina). Brought them out of the ashes to the top of their division.

Art Ross:
I believe Thornton already has a place for this in his trophy cabinet.

Rocket Richard:
Make room for the Cheechoo train!

Jennings:
Kipprusoff and Co. took hold of this one.

Masterton:
Honestly, I never know who is going to win this, as I don't know what "criteria" is required, but if I had to take a guess, I would say Brodeur (??)

King Clancy:
Once again, no idea...

Lady Byng:
Apparently, Brad Richards is the front-runner for this one.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Airwave (Thread starter):
since soon after that the NHL Seasonal Awards will be handed out

Well, I was a bit off in my time frame. Turns out the awards ceremony is tonight.

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 1):

Iamcanadian, rather than quote ever single pick just to put a  checkmark  next to it, I'll just say, yah, I agree with all the picks, lol. As for the King Clancy and Masterton--I have no idea what the criteria are, but I'm sure charity work is a *big* portion of the Clancy.

Hopefully TSN will have an article up tonight so we can see who the winners were.


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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 2):
As for the King Clancy and Masterton--I have no idea what the criteria are, but I'm sure charity work is a *big* portion of the Clancy.

Yes, charity work is huge for the Clancy Trophy. The Masterton award goes to the "player most demonstrating dedication to the game," or in layman's terms, comeback player of the year. Lemieux won in '93 after beating Hodgkin's and so did Koivu in 2001. Haven't the slightest clue who's in the running, really.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
Yes, charity work is huge for the Clancy Trophy.

Ahh, okay. Thanks!

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
The Masterton award goes to the "player most demonstrating dedication to the game," or in layman's terms, comeback player of the year.

Ohhh!! Okay, cool! That makes sense. Thanks again.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
Haven't the slightest clue who's in the running, really.

According to the TSN article I linked to, Teemu Selanne won the Masterton, but the Clancy has yet to be handed out (tonight).


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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:08 am

Okay, so apparently, the NHL Awards program was broadcast on TSN--my brothers were downstairs watching it, too. Nice of 'em to let me know about it  banghead 

Also, saw this item on IMDb today. Link here.

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Socialite Paris Hilton's (...) been spotted romancing a Canadian ice hockey player. The hotel heiress, 25, was photographed holding hands with Colorado Avalanche goalkeeper Jose Theodore, 29, at the post-MuchMusic Video Awards party in Toronto, Canada on Sunday night. An eyewitness tells website Canada.com the couple partied at the Ultra nightspot until the early hours of the morning and "were clearly into each other." Earlier this week, Hilton claimed she was staying single so she can spend time pampering herself. Since Hilton's split from Stavros Niarchos last month, she has been romantically linked to American football player Matt Leinart and model Lucas Babin.

So I guess Jose's trying to score a few goals of his own, eh?  wink 


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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 1):
Calder:
Ovechkin. Enough said.

Although he won, the rules behind who gets the Calder plainly show him to be ineligible. Disgusting, IMO.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting Airwave (Reply 5):

Some are saying there's a radio DJ in Toronto that looks like him and this is who Hilton was with IMO that just sounds like some people want to give JT the benefit of a doubt. Now the word out is that his girlfriend/baby's mama broke up with him:
http://www.canada.com/topics/enterta...737c-4c66-b0c8-7df10e6c9fff&k=3105

Enough celebrity hoopla, here are the winners:

CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY: Alexander Ovechkin, Washington Capitals

FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY: Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes

HART MEMORIAL TROPHY: Joe Thornton, San Jose Sharks.

JACK ADAMS AWARD : Lindy Ruff, Buffalo Sabres

JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY: Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings

LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY: Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings

LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD: Jaromir Jagr, New York Rangers

VEZINA TROPHY: Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames

ART ROSS TROPHY: Joe Thornton, San Jose Sharks

WILLIAM M. JENNINGS TROPHY: Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames

BILL MASTERTON MEMORIAL TROPHY: Teemu Selanne, Anaheim Ducks

KING CLANCY MEMORIAL TROPHY: Olaf Kolzig, Washington Capitals

MAURICE RICHARD TROPHY: Jonathan Cheechoo, San Jose Sharks
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:06 pm

The NHL sure does have alot of end of the season awards.

I don't really follow the NHL so I don't know how the scoring goes, but isn't the Art Ross Trophy (regular season scoring title) the same as Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy (leading goal scorer during the regular season)?
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 8):
The NHL sure does have alot of end of the season awards.

I don't really follow the NHL so I don't know how the scoring goes, but isn't the Art Ross Trophy (regular season scoring title) the same as Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy (leading goal scorer during the regular season)?

No. The Rocket Richard trophy goes to the player that scores the most goals.

The Art Ross Trophy goes to the leading scorer (most points). A point is scored when a person scores a goal, or assists on one (last two people to touch the puck before it goes in the net). The record for most points in one year is 215, set in 1985-86 by Wayne Gretzky. The record for most goals is 92, set in 1981-82, also by Wayne Gretzky.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 1):
Lidstrom sill beat out Neidermayer for the same reason as above.

Um...Hardly. Lidstrom had the more points then all other defensemen... +21 rating, and about half the PIM that Neidermayer had. Nick deserved to win his 4th trophy....
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 9):
No. The Rocket Richard trophy goes to the player that scores the most goals.

The Art Ross Trophy goes to the leading scorer (most points). A point is scored when a person scores a goal, or assists on one (last two people to touch the puck before it goes in the net). The record for most points in one year is 215, set in 1985-86 by Wayne Gretzky. The record for most goals is 92, set in 1981-82, also by Wayne Gretzky.

Thanks for explaining that. To me leading goal scorer during the regular season and regular season scoring title sound like it's the same thing.  Smile
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
Although he won, the rules behind who gets the Calder plainly show him to be ineligible. Disgusting, IMO.

In any other year (no lockout) Crosby would've won the Calder walking away, but because this year had two seasons-worth of rookies, Oveckhkin won it. The rules say you have to be under 26 to be eligible. Alex is 19, correct?
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):

In any other year (no lockout) Crosby would've won the Calder walking away, but because this year had two seasons-worth of rookies, Oveckhkin won it. The rules say you have to be under 26 to be eligible. Alex is 19, correct?

There's another twist to it other than age, to be eligible for the Calder a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league.
At the tender age of 20, Ovechkin has logged over 150 games in 4 seasons at Dynamo Moscow. Not quite sure why the NHL simply omitted this rule for Ovechkin. Do they not consider Russia's top league a major professional league??
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:48 am

Just a side note, the goal Ovechkin scored against the Coyotes on Martin Luther King Day just has to be the goal of the year!
 
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Just a side note, the goal Ovechkin scored against the Coyotes on Martin Luther King Day just has to be the goal of the year!

That was a freaking amazing goal.

Johnson, Staal, Kessel, Toews, and Brassard should all go in the top 10, possibly the top 5. Draft will be top heavy with centers, which benefits Pittsburgh and Washington a ton. They both need playmaking centers to complement their amazing wingers in Crosby and Ovechkin. Should be a fun one!

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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Just a side note, the goal Ovechkin scored against the Coyotes on Martin Luther King Day just has to be the goal of the year!

Just a side note to the side note, that "amazing goal" wasn't exactly "meant" to be a goal. I believe in an interview, Ovechkin explained that as he was falling, he was attempting to dish it off to the other Washington forward in the slot, but it just so happened to go in.

Amazing, yes. Fluky? Most likely.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 13):
There's another twist to it other than age, to be eligible for the Calder a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league.
At the tender age of 20, Ovechkin has logged over 150 games in 4 seasons at Dynamo Moscow. Not quite sure why the NHL simply omitted this rule for Ovechkin. Do they not consider Russia's top league a major professional league??

No they do not. If you have not played in the National Hockey League and are under the age of 25, you are technically considered a rookie. I love Alex to death and think Ovechkin will be an impact player for a decade, but I've also seen what Crosby can do on a game-by-game basis. He plays a two-way style. Ovechkin is more offensive-minded. I've seen Sid kill penalties, backcheck, even get a little rough, none of which in the limited time I've seen Alex play have I seen him do.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
I love Alex to death and think Ovechkin will be an impact player for a decade, but I've also seen what Crosby can do on a game-by-game basis. He plays a two-way style. Ovechkin is more offensive-minded. I've seen Sid kill penalties, backcheck, even get a little rough, none of which in the limited time I've seen Alex play have I seen him do.

Funny you should compare the two as my experience in seeing the two play is opposite. I've actually seen Ovechkin check some people and kill penalties while all I've seen Crosby do is dive and occasionally get some calls his way. Oh yeah, he tends to score and assist here and there too but not 50 goals in his rookie year.  Wink

Anyway, as it's been expected, Bertuzzi got his ticket out of YVR via a trade that sent him, Alex Auld and Bryan Allen to the Panthers while the Canucks got Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek and a 6th round pick in the draft this weekend. Why do the Canucks have such a boner for goalies?
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 18):
Why do the Canucks have such a boner for goalies?

Goalies win Stanley Cups...and if they don't win them, they can get an overachieving team pretty damn close. See: Mikka Kiprusoff in Calgary and Dwayne Roloson in Edmonton, although Rollie had better scoring in front of him this year that Kipper did in '04 for Calgary.

Good trade for both teams, particularly if the Canucks can sign Luongo long term. I like Bertuzzi a lot, and I kind of hate to see him leave Vancouver, but he needed a change of scenery in the worst way. I think he'll do well in Miami where there's not the media scrutiny on hockey that there is in Canada.

I think the wild card for Vancouver right now is how Markus Naslund deals with his best friend being traded. If Naslund can brush this off and have a good year next year, the Canucks could come back as a force now that they have more reliable goaltending and have distanced themselves from the Bertuzzi/Moore incident.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 18):
Why do the Canucks have such a boner for goalies?

Because Dan Cloutier's a damned sieve. Still, this does nothing to address the logjam the Canucks have at the goalie position. Cloutier, Luongo, Miikka Noronen, Wade Flaherty, Maxime Ouellette, Rob McVicar, Julian Ellis-Plante, Corey Schneider - a few of those have to give. Figure Cloutier to be trade bait, Flats to retire, and perhaps Ouellette trade bait as well.

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 18):
while all I've seen Crosby do is dive

Oh yes, Crosby's SUCH a diver. In fact, he dives so often he's only been called on it once this entire season.  Yeah sure Considering that Ovechkin has four years of pro experience to Crosby's 0, I think giving Ovechkin the Calder is a sham.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
. I like Bertuzzi a lot, and I kind of hate to see him leave Vancouver, but he needed a change of scenery in the worst way. I think he'll do well in Miami where there's not the media scrutiny on hockey that there is in Canada.

I'm sad to see him leave as he is one of my favourite players in the N. Hopefully the media stays the way it is in miami with hockey, which obviously is quiet, and Bertuzzi can come out the way he did in 2001-2002 and rip it up.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:33 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 20):
Oh yes, Crosby's SUCH a diver. In fact, he dives so often he's only been called on it once this entire season.

First of all, I suppose I should have added a disclaimer that I was only able to watch one Penguins game this past season while I happened to watch more Caps game just because OLN was showing them more towards the end of the season when I finally got cable again. Secondly, just because he only got caught once doesn't mean it didn't happen more often, unless you wanna watch every Penguins game this past season and get back to me. Nah, don't torture yourself.  Smile
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 20):
Oh yes, Crosby's SUCH a diver. In fact, he dives so often he's only been called on it once this entire season. Considering that Ovechkin has four years of pro experience to Crosby's 0, I think giving Ovechkin the Calder is a sham.

Are you SURE you're not a Flyers fan?  Wink

If the NHL doesn't regard the SuperLeague as a viable pro league, there's nothing that can be done. Besides, do you really think Erik Johnson will win the Calder this year? I think Malkin's got him beat already based on I've seen of him, and don't forget Kessel either.

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 22):
First of all, I suppose I should have added a disclaimer that I was only able to watch one Penguins game this past season while I happened to watch more Caps game just because OLN was showing them more towards the end of the season when I finally got cable again. Secondly, just because he only got caught once doesn't mean it didn't happen more often, unless you wanna watch every Penguins game this past season and get back to me. Nah, don't torture yourself.
Referees miss calls sometimes, y'know.

Well, I did see just about every game the Pens played last year, and while I didn't like seeing Sid complain about calls early in the year (before they put the "A" on his jersey), I appreciate that the refs kept up the calls through the playoffs into the finals, for once. I remember Lemieux's quote about officiating from 1992: "It's a garage league." I think the new rules are terrific, when applied constantly, which is what should've been done in the first place. As for diving, 95% of those go uncalled. That's just the way it is. Lemieux used to do it to keep the cheap shots from coming, but he had the size to fight off most of the hits. Sid's too small for that, and needs an enforcer somewhere down the line. Hitchcock's comments in November were WAY out of line, but not that surprising knowing his history. Look at the Stars' Cup run in 1999--nothing but clutching and grabbing. No wonder Philly lost in the first round (like they always do).
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
I think he'll do well in Miami where there's not the media scrutiny on hockey that there is in Canada.

Doesn't there have to be a media in Miami (or the USA for that matter) that CARES about hockey to be able to scrutinize it in the first place?
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:45 pm

Definitely some interesting trades on draft day, nothing as blockbuster as the trade between the Canucks and Panthers, but still some big trades.

Atlanta trades C Patrik Stefan (The Thrashers #1 pick in 1999 [their very first pick]) and D Jaroslav Modry to Dallas for C Niki Kapanen and a 7th Round pick in this year's draft.

Colorado trades LW Alex Tanguay to Calgary for D Jordan Leopold and two draft picks (2nd round in this year's draft [C Codey Burki from Brandon of the WHL] and a conditional pick in either the 2007 or 2008 Draft)

Boston trades G Andrew Raycroft to Toronto for the rights to prospect G Tuukka Rask.

Minnesota acquires FW Pavol Demitra from L.A. for prospect C Patrick O'Sullivan and Minnesota's first round pick (C Trevor Lewis from Des Moines of the USHL).

As a Thrashers fan, it is a bit bittersweet to see the team's very first pick get traded away; however, it really wasn't a surprise as his name was mentioned around the trade deadline. And many fans are happy to see Modry (AKA Slowdry) traded away. Picking up Kapanen means that more than likely the Thrashers know they won't be able to afford to resign Marc Savard. Some names rumored to be potential free agent targets for the Thrashers include Jason Arnott, and Michael Peca; at least that was the scuttlebutt at the draft party.
 
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 25):
Atlanta trades C Patrik Stefan (The Thrashers #1 pick in 1999 [their very first pick]) and D Jaroslav Modry to Dallas for C Niki Kapanen and a 7th Round pick in this year's draft.

Stefan was a bust from the beginning, but you live and learn.

I'm thrilled about getting Staal with the #2 pick, now the big question is where are we going to put all our centers in the lineup. Forget what I said about Kessel, that's who I thought was in the Pens' plans.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 24):

Doesn't there have to be a media in Miami (or the USA for that matter) that CARES about hockey to be able to scrutinize it in the first place?

My point exactly.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:59 am

With open, I mean, free agency season starting tomorrow, some deals are starting to surface:

The Lightning shipped off Fredrik Modin and G Fredrik Norrena to Columbus for Marc Denis. I've never seen Denis deliver on all the poise and talent he allegedly has. Considering he rode the bench under Roy for all those years in Denver and then went to a new franchise, could being a starter with a set of more proven core of players be what Denis needs to deliver that talent?

Maple Leafs buy out Domi and release Belfour.

The Canucks re-sign the Sedins to matching 3-year, US$3.575mil deals.

Wings seal a 2-year deal with Lidstrom.

Bruins buy out McEachern and Green.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 28):
Maple Leafs buy out Domi and release Belfour.

It's about time. I was wondering when the Leafs would realize that the way Domi contributed (or in this case, DIDN'T contribute) to the game far outweighed the popularity factor. Belfour is WAY past his prime...I wouldn't be surprised to see him play his last season this year.
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RE: NHL Entry Draft, Awards & Off-Season Thread

Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:22 am

Boston is making a lot of noise on the first day, inking Marc Savard and Zdeno Chara to deals.

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