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Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:08 pm

Here's is a new CNN poll on how we view eachother. Really, all they had to do was view a couple of threads here, and they could have saved a lot of money!






"Muslims and the West haven't always seen eye to eye, but a study released Thursday suggests the situation is more severe than mere disagreement and that the two groups generally harbor cynicism and adverse opinions of each other.

The Pew Global Attitudes Project conducted the study among 14,000 people in Indonesia, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, India, Spain, Germany, Russia, France, Great Britain and the United States, with "special oversamples" taken in the four European Union nations.

The interviews for "The Great Divide: How Westerners and Muslims View Each Other" were conducted from March 31 to May 14.

"The state of relations is not very good," said Richard Wike, senior project director. "Many in the West see Muslims as fanatical, violent and as lacking tolerance. "Meanwhile, Muslims in the Middle East and Asia generally see Westerners as selfish, immoral and greedy -- as well as violent and fanatical."

The study showed that Westerners are "broadly skeptical of Muslim values" and that they often believe, especially in Germany and Spain, that there is a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in modern society.

Muslims, on the other hand, are more embittered toward Westerners, and predominantly Muslim nations "are much more likely than Americans or Western Europeans to blame Western policies for their own lack of prosperity," the project reported."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/06/23/muslims.west/index.html
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:27 pm

"Majorities in Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and Indonesia don't believe groups of Arabs perpetrated the September 11, 2001, attacks."

I wonder whom they think did it then.

"Only 29 percent of Jordanians view suicide attacks as often or sometimes justified, down almost 50 percent from a poll taken in May 2005. The decline is "likely in response to the devastating terrorist attack in Amman last year," the study states. Suicide bombers killed nearly 60 people in November 2005 at three hotels in the Jordanian capital."

I guess NIMBY translates the world over.
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
"Meanwhile, Muslims in the Middle East and Asia generally see Westerners as selfish, immoral and greedy -- as well as violent and fanatical."

whiskey tango foxtrot???  Confused
 
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 2):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
"Meanwhile, Muslims in the Middle East and Asia generally see Westerners as selfish, immoral and greedy -- as well as violent and fanatical."

whiskey tango foxtrot???

To people outside of the US, our war in Iraq and the tens-of-thousands of Iraqi civilians who were slaughtered as a result is probably considered an act of violence. Only Americans and Polish folks seem to think the war was the right thing to do according to another far-reaching study. The rest of the world was convinced we took the wrong course of action.

If you study American foreign policy you'll see that we've played roles in coups and assassinations and supported all sorts of repressive and destructive regimes. Taken together, it could be seen as rather violent and fanatical. Giving radical and repressive Christians like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell lots of unedited airtime and neutral press coverage probably adds to our fanatical image in the rest of the world.

Apparently you didn't even bother to question the "selfish, immoral, and greedy" accusations. Why not?
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:29 am

Maybe you struggle with reading comprehension, but I believe the topic of the poll was perception of the "West", which I don't think is just the US and huge part of the West heavily opposed Iraq war. And the stupid Iraqi adventure itself? How long has it been since the situation is that the US invasion did nothing but open Pandora's box of de facto civil war, Shia going after the Sunni and viceversa, with your troops being stuck in the middle of it all because someone at Pentagon did not bother to think up plans for post-war Iraq? How many of these huge casualties are result of one Iraqi going after fellow ones rather than being killed by the US troops?

Quoting SATX (Reply 3):
Apparently you didn't even bother to question the "selfish, immoral, and greedy" accusations. Why not?

I actually agree with the first and last one. So what? Apparently this selfishness and greediness brought the West much further than the rest of the world. And as far as being "immoral" according to Muslim standards... well, still better than being "moral" and e.g. treat women like cattle according to this "morality".
 
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:40 am

Did you read the poll, dont know from wich institute, interwieving about 18000 people from Europe, Asia and South America saying that US and Bush was the biggest threat to the world peace today.

I´ll try ty find the source of this.

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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 4):
Maybe you struggle with reading comprehension, but I believe the topic of the poll was perception of the "West", which I don't think is just the US and huge part of the West heavily opposed Iraq war.

First of all, yes, I can read just fine kiddo. Second, you're just mincing words now. The US is the sole remaining superpower (until China in a couple decades) and we are a lightning rod for world sentiment. Ever notice how US actions and non-actions dominate the news coverage in other countries? Well, so we have come to represent the West in Muslim countries. Besides, nobody really tried to hold us back from attacking Iraq; they simply didn't agree to join-in. Thus, I doubt there was much sympathy from the Muslim side for the rest of the West simply because they didn't join in the bloodshed.
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 4):
And as far as being "immoral" according to Muslim standards... well, still better than being "moral" and e.g. treat women like cattle according to this "morality".

The reason American women have many of the rights they do now is largely because they were willing to fight for them and not because Christian men simply allowed it from the beginning.

Thanks to pro-life Christians, we'll soon be turning the clock back a few decades on women's rights. I wonder what freedom they'll attack next in the name of "god".
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RE: Muslims, West Eye Each Other Through Bias

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:14 am

Most of the world population is stupid and cannot see but through cliches, preconceived ideas, myths and propaganda.
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