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Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:11 am

Here is the video:


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Ok so basically, what would you do in this situation? What is legal? Since he is beating the shit out of the car, could you run him over? Could you shoot him? Wow...


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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting JetsGo (Thread starter):
could you run him over?

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:28 am

Seriously though, what would your options be? Mostly looking for ANCFlyer's insight on this... Because your life isn't really in danger, or is it? That would be just such a shit situation i cant imagine...


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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:32 am

I would offer him a mentos.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:32 am

Uh...I'd call the cops know what i'm sayin?
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:34 am

I'd leave him to it. If you stop him, it's clear it's your car - think of the shame of people realising you owned a PT Cruiser.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:34 am

Run the asshole down...it's self defense...either run him down, or he starts reaching into one of those broken windows and starts injuring the occupants... One less idiot crackhead to worry about.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:34 am

If I was armed, I would have shot him dead on the spot. If not, I would have made every attempt to run over him.

Right to protect your own property here in TX.

Besides, a crazy asshole swinging a weapon like that around me - I would consider that to be a threat to my life/safety, and that is also grounds for defensive action.




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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
I'd leave him to it. If you stop him, it's clear it's your car - think of the shame of people realising you owned a PT Cruiser.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:35 am

I'd probably attempt to run the asshole over! Failing that I'd just drive off quickly. People like that are not needed in society, they give nothing. A lot like Chavs. Shoot them.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
I'd leave him to it. If you stop him, it's clear it's your car - think of the shame of people realising you owned a PT Cruiser.

hmmmm, on the other hand...

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:41 am

He's got a deadly weapon. He's threatening people with it by destroying their property with them it in it. And there's no easy means of escape. Hmmm...running him down would be a coin toss whether it's justifiable self defense. A car (which itself is a deadly weapon) may not be considered on par with his weapon. It would make an interesting jury trial.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:49 am

I guess if the car's driver is white and he runs over the black guy, his lawyers will make it look like an act of racism. Sad but true.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 12):
I guess if the car's driver is white and he runs over the black guy, his lawyers will make it look like an act of racism.

What makes you say that?
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:57 am

Too bad it wasn't this PT Cruiser...

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:01 am

You know, I've only just watched the video. And really, it's quite funny.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting JetsGo (Thread starter):
could you run him over?

Without any hesitation.
I've always wanted to know what it feels like to run over someone.
That homeless is probably stupid enough to turn his back when he's done and that's when I'll pick up some speed and wham him. Oh yeah.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:07 am

Videoed at the corner of Sahara and Las Vegas Blvd. in Las Vegas. It's scripted.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:07 am

In all seriousness, I would literally just call the cops. In the US I wouldn't dare get out of the car but if I was somewhere more civilised I might just get out and try to mitigate the situation, as I am sure other observers would do.

By the way, that video was taken in Las Vegas. Look at the casino thing underneath the general store and if you look carefully you can make out the Stratosphere in the background. But that clip really reminded me of LA.

Incidentally - how would the owner of the car claim insurance damage for that? Surely he'd need eyewitnesses?
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:13 am

As a civilian, I can guarantee he would have been struck by my vehicle as I was trying to get away from him. As a police officer, he would have found himself bringing a metal pipe to a gun fight.

The driver of the vehicle did exactly the right thing. Stay in your vehicle and drive away. Bashed in cars can be repaired. Bashed in heads....maybe not.
 
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 18):
I might just get out and try to mitigate the situation, as I am sure other observers would do.

You want to "mitigate" the situation with an obviously crazy mf with a bat? Good luck.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting JetsGo (Thread starter):
Ok so basically, what would you do in this situation? What is legal? Since he is beating the shit out of the car, could you run him over? Could you shoot him? Wow...

I'd run the bastard over without thinking twice. He's breaking windows, smashing the car up, etc, and I see that as a threat to me - what if he tries to reach in through a window?
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 20):
Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 18):
I might just get out and try to mitigate the situation, as I am sure other observers would do.

You want to "mitigate" the situation with an obviously crazy mf with a bat? Good luck.

Well you're right, I wouldn't actually. Perhaps what I meant to say is that if something was going on and it didn't look like I would sustain an injury and it was the sort of thing that other people were around for I would then try to mitigate.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:39 am

Okay, most of you seem to be willing to run him down, but is it legal?
It can be considered self defense, I guess, but the thing is that when this guy is destroying you car you wont be able to run him over as he's too close to you to pick up enough speed to hurt him.
So what if he walks away and you follow him and run him over? I'd like to know what will happen in court after that.
BTW I have heard that homeless people in the US somehow have less "rights" then regular people, I have even heard that you can get away with killing one of them.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7):
Right to protect your own property here in TX.

To protect your property from theft/arson/burglary

The use of lethal force in the face of vandalism is only permitted for criminal mischief at night... and then is very thin defense as the use of lethal force in the protection of property is only valid for unrecoverable losses.

It's the law in TX that your vehicle be ensured. The loss is recoverable.

Now, instead of saying it's a property loss issue, say that you were afraid for your life.

The law is mostly about learning how to properly articulate. Saying the right phrases at the right time can be the difference between not being charged and a life sentence.

reference Tx Penal Code Section 9.42 Deadly force to protect property.

Anywho, just drive off. And unlike the driver in this video, remember that the curb is an excellent escape option when traffic blocks the way. And no, don't worry about running over your assailant.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 23):
Okay, most of you seem to be willing to run him down, but is it legal?

If you can express yourself that you believed your life was in danger, you couldn't find an escape route (only in some states is an attempt to retreat neccessary), and that you conducted the act to end the threat to your life, then yes it is legal.

If you did it because he was jacking up your paint job, then no it is not legal.

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 23):
you wont be able to run him over as he's too close to you to pick up enough speed to hurt him.

Parking a tire on his chest will work and can be accomplished at very low speed.  Smile

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 23):
So what if he walks away and you follow him and run him over? I'd like to know what will happen in court after that.

Murder charge. He's no longer a threat, therefore you no longer have the right to use deadly force in self defense.

A smart defense attorney might argue that you acted with the belief that he was intending to assault another person. Which is a valid argument IF he still has the weapon... but the jury will have to decide on that.

No a good choice. If he walks away, let him go.

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 23):
BTW I have heard that homeless people in the US somehow have less "rights" then regular people, I have even heard that you can get away with killing one of them.

umm... no.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 25):

Thanks  Smile
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 23):
So what if he walks away and you follow him and run him over?

Once the threat no longer exists, any additional actions on your part would be treated as separate from the original incident. Following this asshole and running him over would be like chasing someone who has broken into your home outside and then shooting him. What happens during the incident is one thing...what you do after the incident could result in you being the one hauled off to jail.
 
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:01 am

Gotta love cell phones.
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Yes you have a right to protect yourself and your property. These rights are pretty specific and somewhat limited. You also have a duty to retreat, if possible. I'd certainly feel threatened by his actions and his general demeanor and I don't think talking to him is going to accomplish much.

I'd drive away if I could. If not, perhaps call for my friends, Smith & Wesson.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 17):
Videoed at the corner of Sahara and Las Vegas Blvd. in Las Vegas. It's scripted.

Out of interest how do you know it was scripted? I don't speak ebonic or jive so couldn't understand a word he was uttering and why he chose to smash that car up.

Presuming it isn't scripted I'm not quite sure what the hell I'd do if that happened to me. Horrible and frightening situation.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:09 am

Also, what was the camera man doing there in the first place?

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:34 am

My instinct would be to get the hell away from the crazy S.O.B. I would even have driven into the back of that other car that was blocking in the p/t cruiser if I had to. If I couldn't get away, I would run him over .... twice if necessary.

I wouldn't react so badly after the first hit, but when he started going crazy, then it's a fight for your life....and my life is more important to me than his.

What if your kids were in the car? ...or your mother?

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 30):
Also, what was the camera man doing there in the first place?

I have to believe the person operating the camera was in on what was about to happen. Sort of like these brain dead kids who videotape themselves destroying property or pummeling some unsuspecting person. The driver of the PT Cruiser just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Anyone know if this asshole was ever caught and prosecuted?
 
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:20 pm

A guy in the UK has been arrested for attempted murder for running down 3 teenagers who vandalised his car whilst it was parked on his drive. They smashed his windows with a baseball bat and slashed 3 tyres, then ran off.

He then got into a van and chased them, and then ran them all down. One kid only has a 20% chance of survival.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 33):

He then got into a van and chased them, and then ran them all down.

I wouldnt do that unless I felt my life threatened. If I was sitting in the car at that time my adrenaline would be flowing pretty high and I might do such a thing.

[Edited 2006-06-26 15:59:34]
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 31):
What if your kids were in the car? ...or your mother?

It sounds as if there is children in the car on the video. Hope that asshole gets a taste of his own medicine!
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7):
I would have shot him dead on the spot. If not, I would have made every attempt to run over him.

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Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:04 am

First I'd attempt to run him over without a second thought. And if that failed, I'd open the trunk and run to get a shovel  fight 
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:09 am

I'd get outta tha car and twat him depending on his size and failing that I'd run his ass over and over

And PT Cruisers are ace Best car to come out of America anyways

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:49 am

Was that a lady driving the PT Cruiser? And he was calling her a nigga and trying to fight her? What a worthless piece of shit that guy is. Too bad no cop was around.


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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 37):
And if that failed, I'd open the trunk and run to get a shovel fight

That is why it is imperitive to get the trunk monkey option on your car when you buy it. Let the monkey do the work.
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 15):
And really, it's quite funny.

Are you sick? A womans life could have been in danger.... I bet your of person that finds plane crashes funny too...  sarcastic 

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 17):
It's scripted.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:20 am

Simple, take the weapon off the punk and beat him with it, see if he can beat on something more than an inanimate object.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 24):

It's the law in TX that your vehicle be ensured. The loss is recoverable.

Only liability is required in Texas, and that wouldn't help in this instance. I know when my stereo was stolen, I was able to claim it on my home owner's insurance. Maybe that would've been an option for the party concerned.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 43):
Only liability is required in Texas,

.... wow... it's a sad day for me when I can't even properly remember the laws of my own state. You are correct. Texas is a liability only state.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 39):
What a worthless piece of shit that guy is.

Careful, you'll get the bleeding heart criminal guardians all over you for that one.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 15):
I've only just watched the video. And really, it's quite funny.

Yeah, hilarious.  dopey 




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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:44 am

As soon as that worthless piece of shit started hitting my car, I'd get the hell out of there. I don't own anything that can do blunt force damage like that, except my car, and an idiot like that would not be given a second thought if he were in my path of escape. Plus going so slowly, I doubt he'd actually end up under the tires if he were hit... probably end up on the hood screaming unintelligably till you reached about 60. At that speed, all you'd need is an abrupt turn and problem solved  Silly
 
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 29):
I don't speak ebonic or jive so couldn't understand a word

Ironically the only words I picked up on (other than m%ther f*cker and n#gga) were 'do you understand?'!

It looks fake to me. Anyway if it wasn't and I was the one being attacked (and couldn't get by the other stationary traffic) I would run the car into him. Not necessarily to try and kill him, but to incapacitate him.

A knock on the knees by the car's bumper moving at about 5 mph would probably be enough to break his legs and send the idiot to the ground.

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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 17):
Videoed at the corner of Sahara and Las Vegas Blvd. in Las Vegas. It's scripted.

Mark

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I assume people did not help as they thought it was stagged also? If not it is sad no one helped those people.
 
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RE: Video: What Would You Do To This Guy?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 48):
it is sad no one helped those people

This is America! They'd need to get out of their air conditioned cars to do that.

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