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The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:00 pm

Having been through all the versions of Windows since, oh '98 (there WAS a Windows 98, wasn't there?) I'm amazed by some of the irritating little bugs that haven't been ironed out.

Two come to mind: I often transfer pics from my desktop or one folder to another. When selecting them I hold down "Control" while clicking on the pics to copy. If there are a lot, I get careless and sometimes slide the mouse from one pic to another, with the result that all the pics I've selected suddenly being duplicated. These, of course, then have to be selected, again using the Control key. Then the same happens again, with the result that I get "Copy of copy of XXXX". I've even been known to get "Copy of copy of copy of . . ". Drives me mad!

Also, when transferring pics from one folder to another, they never appear in the order that they appeared in the first folder. I know I can right click and simply select "Arrange icons by picutre taken on", but this can upset the pics already in the folder.

Maybe there are simple solutions to these irritating features, and if anyone out there knows them, do tell. Mr Gates doesn't seem to have thought of them. And DON'T anyone out there tell me to get a Mac. I'd love to, but I know nothing about computers and my best mate works with PCs and fixes all my hardware problems and upgrades. He says if I get a Mac I'm on my own . ..

Anyone else got bugs in Windows that bug them?

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:17 pm

Windows itself is the bug. Mac's are the windowless and don't allow bugs in.

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:17 pm

The price. (i.e. Does Windows and Office deserve to make Bill and his buddies the richest people on the planet?)
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:36 pm

Since Windows 98?

You have some catching up to do! The first Windows I suffered from was "Windows 3.11 for Workgroups". It came in 3.5" floppy form! Big grin

The one bug they have never sorted out is Window's rebootitis. In most cases, you have to reboot when something doesn't work (or spontaneously stops working) and then it's back to normal... hello? I'd like a description of the error so I can at least try and fix it! Oh, yes... it's easier to reboot, I see.  banghead 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Latches that stick and faded curtains.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Having been through all the versions of Windows since, oh '98 (there WAS a Windows 98, wasn't there?) I'm amazed by some of the irritating little bugs that haven't been ironed out.

You n00b! I still remember Windows 3.11......

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Two come to mind: I often transfer pics from my desktop or one folder to another. When selecting them I hold down "Control" while clicking on the pics to copy. If there are a lot, I get careless and sometimes slide the mouse from one pic to another, with the result that all the pics I've selected suddenly being duplicated. These, of course, then have to be selected, again using the Control key. Then the same happens again, with the result that I get "Copy of copy of XXXX". I've even been known to get "Copy of copy of copy of . . ". Drives me mad!

Ease up on the masturbation. After a few weeks of rest the shakes should go away...

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Also, when transferring pics from one folder to another, they never appear in the order that they appeared in the first folder. I know I can right click and simply select "Arrange icons by picutre taken on", but this can upset the pics already in the folder.

The image you click on when you drag them across will go to the top of the list, with all other images assuming their original order. Click the first image in the list when dragging across to avoid muddling them up.

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Maybe there are simple solutions to these irritating features, and if anyone out there knows them, do tell. Mr Gates doesn't seem to have thought of them. And DON'T anyone out there tell me to get a Mac. I'd love to, but I know nothing about computers and my best mate works with PCs and fixes all my hardware problems and upgrades. He says if I get a Mac I'm on my own . ..

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
And DON'T anyone out there tell me to get a Mac. I'd love to, but I know nothing about computers and my best mate works with PCs and fixes all my hardware problems and upgrades. He says if I get a Mac I'm on my own . ..

That should not hold you back at all. Any PC technician can do the same things on a Mac as well (or you can even do it yourself in many cases). It's pretty much the same technology, just usually with better construction. And as you may have noticed, Mac users stick together and help each other out...!
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:57 pm

The multitasking in mac is soo much better, when you're on osx, the window that has focus automatically has superior CPU priority over applications, so that the window you're working on always stays smooth and responsive.
Nothing complicated, really very simple idea.

Yet MS Windows didnt implement that yet... any program running on your computer can bring the whole system to its knees, no matter whether it has the focus or if it even exists as a window. Of course, you can set the priority manually through the task manager, but that's not very useful, aint it? and by the time you bring up the task manager in such a situation, you could have a made yourself a cup of tea.

That's another thing I dont understand. Why doesnt the task manager launch with superior priority? That improvement would probably involve changing no more that one line of code... !
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
Since Windows 98?

You have some catching up to do!

Read the post again Aloges. This time with your glasses on!

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 4):
Latches that stick and faded curtains.

LOL! I asked for that.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 5):
Ease up on the masturbation. After a few weeks of rest the shakes should go away...

Oh I couldn't possibly do that. Deleting duplicate pics is a small price to pay for the five-knuckle shuffle.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 5):
The image you click on when you drag them across will go to the top of the list, with all other images assuming their original order. Click the first image in the list when dragging across to avoid muddling them up.

Interesting. I'll try that.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
Install Linux instead and embrace the power of the penguin!

Ditto.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
That should not hold you back at all. Any PC technician can do the same things on a Mac as well

Sorry, not an option. My mates insists I'm on my own if I do. I annoy him enough as it is and he's not a person I want to get on the bad side of!
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
And DON'T anyone out there tell me to get a Mac.

I have recently converted ( 18 months ago) and am impressed so far. No rebooting yet.

The only problem is sharing files with windows based people - its a ballache.

If you use Excell a lot then you'd better stay with windows as the Mac spreadsheet program aint great although you can get Microsoft office for Mac its expensive and you may have to sell your body on the weekend to pay for it.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:04 pm

Many of the most irritating bugs have been there since DOS....but in the last 26 years I have grown to accept them as the nature of the beast. At least the "blue-screen of death" has, for the most part, gone away....leaving you with the option of terminating just one process only (hopefully).

Some of the rebooting problems stem from having 10000 competing companies writing software for the same OS....not all are friendly to each other and rarely cooperate fully on coding standards. When people are running 2 dozen applications at once there will invariably be resourse sharing/memory overwriting issues involved leading to chaos. Still windows could do a little better in this area no doubt (as Linux does).

I understand your pain. I get frustrated just trying to get a damn directory listing from a Mac. Is there a thing like a "command prompt" window on a Mac?Sometimes I don't want a huge multi-page frame of icons to look at, when a simple sorted list of names would do.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Two come to mind: I often transfer pics from my desktop or one folder to another. When selecting them I hold down "Control" while clicking on the pics to copy. If there are a lot, I get careless and sometimes slide the mouse from one pic to another, with the result that all the pics I've selected suddenly being duplicated. These, of course, then have to be selected, again using the Control key. Then the same happens again, with the result that I get "Copy of copy of XXXX". I've even been known to get "Copy of copy of copy of . . ". Drives me mad

Couldn't agree more. An incredibly annoying "feature".

I have a question for the Mac fans. While my SO was shopping yesterday, I spent time in the Apple store at Tysons. I was playing around on an IMac, which I really liked, except for one thing. When I started MS Word, the screen was tiny - it filled only half the screen. Is there any way to make the screen larger, or is that a casualty of using a MS product on an Apple?
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
"Copy of copy of XXXX".

You have a lot of porn then.  Wink

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
I'd love to, but I know nothing about computers and my best mate works with PCs and fixes all my hardware problems and upgrades. He says if I get a Mac I'm on my own . ..

If you had a Mac, you wouldn't have nearly as many hardware issues. Upgrades are dead easy, and software updates are a relatively brainless task....
Plus.....so far, not a major virus target.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 8):
Sorry, not an option. My mates insists I'm on my own if I do. I annoy him enough as it is and he's not a person I want to get on the bad side of!

Get a Mac, leave him alone with the problems you no longer have and buy him a beer at the pub while talking about things other than Windows worries!  bigthumbsup 

Even little old ladies can deal with their Macs, even without having their grandchildren spending most of their visits swearing and toiling at getting the PC up and running again.

Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 9):
If you use Excell a lot then you'd better stay with windows as the Mac spreadsheet program aint great although you can get Microsoft office for Mac its expensive and you may have to sell your body on the weekend to pay for it.

You mean as opposed to just stealing the Windows version...?  mischievous 

Office for Mac works pretty much the same as under Windows, according to people who've used both a lot it's actually better under MacOS X...

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 10):
Some of the rebooting problems stem from having 10000 competing companies writing software for the same OS....

No. It's a question of system design to 90%. Windows is a conceptual nightmare, and it shows at every turn.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 10):
I get frustrated just trying to get a damn directory listing from a Mac. Is there a thing like a "command prompt" window on a Mac?Sometimes I don't want a huge multi-page frame of icons to look at, when a simple sorted list of names would do.

I don't think I understand your problem.

If you want the list view in a Finder window, simply press <CMD>-2 or select As List in the Finder's View menu.

The column view is also very practical, primarily for navigation.

There is a standard Unix command line interface (usually a bash shell by default) with full scripting capability as well (run the Terminal application to access), but most people will never need it.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
There is a standard Unix command line interface (usually a bash shell by default) with full scripting capability as well (run the Terminal application to access), but most people will never need it.

@ MD80fanatic
If you want a directory using the osx "terminal", change to the directory using the cd command:
example
cd /Users/myuser/Desktop

then you can have a listing by using the ls command
example:
ls -l
the -l switch is for the "long" list format. to see other available switches, formats, etc... type "man ls" to read the manual of the ls command (type q to exit the manual when done  Smile )

another command you might need is "pwd" : type pwd it will tell you which directory you're at

and if you want to look for a particular command, can use "apropos"
for example
apropos list
will give you a list commands (and system calls and manual pages) that have something to do with listing. of course the list is pretty long, so if you're looking for directory listing, you mignt want to filter that list, so try:
apropos list |grep directory

voila. That will filter the output of apropos and only display the lines containind the the directory word, which should give you a list of commands pertaining to directory listing
For more info about any of these commands type "man" followed by the command name.

Note that the grep thing works on any command, it can filter the ouput of any command, for example you can use it on the ls command like this:

ls |grep .html

[Edited 2006-06-26 16:01:44]
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
When selecting them I hold down "Control" while clicking on the pics to copy. If there are a lot, I get careless and sometimes slide the mouse from one pic to another, with the result that all the pics I've selected suddenly being duplicated. These, of course, then have to be selected, again using the Control key.



Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Maybe there are simple solutions to these irritating features, and if anyone out there knows them, do tell.

First, you don't necessarily need the Ctrl-key to select images. Just list the items in your folder, maybe sort them (file type) and select those you want to copy with your mouse by holding the left mouse button pressed.

Try moving your pictures with the right mouse button pressed. After you release the button, a context menue will open with all the options to choose from.

Even if you create unwanted duplicates, the duplicates should still be selected. Hence a hit on Del will remove them.

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
And DON'T anyone out there tell me to get a Mac. I'd love to, but I know nothing about computers and my best mate works with PCs and fixes all my hardware problems and upgrades.

That shouldn't be an issue. Copying or moving files from one folder or drive to another on a Mac, is, however, certainly no less irritating than on a PC.

[Edited 2006-06-26 16:15:45]
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
When I started MS Word, the screen was tiny - it filled only half the screen. Is there any way to make the screen larger, or is that a casualty of using a MS product on an Apple?

You probably meant the window was too small?

Mac applications behave a bit differently from Windows ones; Window sizes and positions are usually just remembered from the last time you've run that application.

You could just resize it manually (drag the lower right corner) or select Windows - arrange all from the menu.

The next time you start it up that will be the default window size and position.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:45 pm

yes, thanks fellas for the hints. I knew MacOS was very Unix like but never could figure out how to make it command line. I thought Finder was a file search tool but apparently it is more than that. According to Klaus is must have a similar interface to Window explorer (no offense).
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 18):
According to Klaus is must have a similar interface to Window explorer (no offense).

None taken.

The Windows Explorer has indeed been modeled after the MacOS Finder and fills basically the same role.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting LO231 (Reply 12):
You have a lot of porn then.

No, certainly not. Definitely not. Absolutely not. (Not enough actually!).

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
First, you don't necessarily need the Ctrl-key to select images. Just list the items in your folder, maybe sort them (file type) and select those you want to copy with your mouse by holding the left mouse button pressed.

Try moving your pictures with the right mouse button pressed. After you release the button, a context menue will open with all the options to choose from.

Even if you create unwanted duplicates, the duplicates should still be selected. Hence a hit on Del will remove them.

Thanks NoUFO. I'll try that.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Even little old ladies can deal with their Macs, even without having their grandchildren spending most of their visits swearing and toiling at getting the PC up and running again.

Try telling that to my mother. She insists on sticking with Windows because that's "What she knows." It really isn't an issue for me though. I built her a computer two years ago for $300, and it's never gone wrong once.  crossfingers 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
ou mean as opposed to just stealing the Windows version...?

Hey man, you can steal the Mac version too. Not that I'm speaking from personal experience or anything.  Wink

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
Copying or moving files from one folder or drive to another on a Mac, is, however, certainly no less irritating than on a PC.

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:58 pm

Don't get a MAC. There are only two possibilities if you do.

1. Mac will become as popular as PCs so cyberterrorists will start writing virii for them too. or

2. They will not become popular and PCs will eventually drive them from the market like VHS did to the superior Beta.

Your mouse-twitching might be fixed by adjusting the mouse settings a little coarser.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 5):
You n00b! I still remember Windows 3.11......

Don't even remember my first Windows version.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
You probably meant the window was too small?

Mac applications behave a bit differently from Windows ones; Window sizes and positions are usually just remembered from the last time you've run that application.

You could just resize it manually (drag the lower right corner) or select Windows - arrange all from the menu.

The next time you start it up that will be the default window size and position

Yes, I meant the window.

Thanks for the tip.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 21):
Try telling that to my mother.

No, that's still your job!

Quoting AC773 (Reply 21):
Hey man, you can steal the Mac version too.

Tell us more - and speak clearly into the flower vase, please...!  mischievous 

Quoting AC773 (Reply 21):
Not that I'm speaking from personal experience or anything.

Of course not...

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
That shouldn't be an issue. Copying or moving files from one folder or drive to another on a Mac, is, however, certainly no less irritating than on a PC.

I can't really see where the problem would be...

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 22):
Don't get a MAC. There are only two possibilities if you do.

Actually you missed

3. Apple will die any minute now anyway!
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 22):
Don't even remember my first Windows version.
My first operating system was DOS 1.2

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
The first Windows I suffered from was "Windows 3.11 for Workgroups". It came in 3.5" floppy form!

My first computer had MS-DOS 6.0 on it. Remember when I upgraded to 6.22, had a whole 3 floppy discs. I also had Windows 3.1.

As one of my experiments I also tried DR-DOS, but I went back to good ol' (MS-)DOS right away.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
I can't really see where the problem would be...

Not really a problem, but basics such as copying or moving files from one drive or folder to another isn't a problem on a Windows PC either. As you said, Windows' desktop and Explorer are basically copies of MacOS.

When I first worked on a Mac, I was irritated by the Mac's behaviour when I dragged a file from an external drive or from a CD-ROM on the desktop. Rather than copying or perhaps moving the file, my Mac would an Alias which was not clearly recognisable as that. Thus, I was working on the original version, which I wanted to keep as backup - just in case. When I later removed the the drive/CD-ROM, the file on the desktop magically disappeared. It was not really an issue, but clearly something I needed getting used to. And I know, I'm not the only one who thought it was more kind of a burden than a feature.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Mac users stick together and help each other out...!

All 8 of them?
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 28):
All 8 of them?

I doubt that "the other 7" own all the millions of Macs that have been sold which I don't own...!  mischievous 
 
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
I doubt that "the other 7" own all the millions of Macs that have been sold which I don't own...! mischievous

Are you admitting that Apple is corrupt?
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 30):
Are you admitting that Apple is corrupt?

Huh? What are you talking about?
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 7):
The multitasking in mac is soo much better, when you're on osx, the window that has focus automatically has superior CPU priority over applications, so that the window you're working on always stays smooth and responsive.
Nothing complicated, really very simple idea

I certainly wouldn't want my active window to be the one commanding CPU resources, but even if I did, with dual core and hyperthreading options these days, this is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. I work with four different platforms on a daily basis (assuming that you differentiate Linux and Mac OSX as seperate platforms, even though they use the same core standards), and I would say that each of them have the pros and their cons. For the average home user, Windoze is just fine, and OSX is just fine. It's all down to personal preference.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 21):
She insists on sticking with Windows because that's "What she knows."

Bingo. It's familiar and comfortable, and people fear change. That fear will give Microsoft the great market share of home users for years to come. Also, remember that most corporate environments are MS based. Many people have learned to use their computer at work, and so having the same interface at home feels familiar and safe.
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):

Huh? What are you talking about?

Well, I'm not going to libel myself on a public forum, but you strongly hinted to accounting irregularities at Apple. If they're going to lie about the number of computers they have sold, what else will they lie about?

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Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:25 am

Our Graphic people were pushing to get Macs for some years, and our IT director refused - no way, he said - We can't afford to support two platforms.

Finally the Graphics guys convinced our CEO that they could do much better stuff for him, if only they had a Mac.

IT guys said NO WAY, CEO said MAKE IT HAPPEN! IT guys said, throwing his notepad to the floor, but I WONT SUPPORT THEM.

It's been six months now, and our IT guy has left. It seems that he could tell the CEO why the graphic guys didn't need support. New guy doesn't like Macs any more, but he doesn't argue with the CEO.

Now if I could only have a MacBook Pro ...
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 7):
The multitasking in mac is soo much better, when you're on osx,

OS-X has indeed the better multitasking, however this ....

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 7):
the window that has focus automatically has superior CPU priority

... was, I believe, introduced to Windows 3.1, but in any case before it was introduced to the Mac community. Same goes for memory access.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 25):
Amiga Workbench baby!

Damn that looks so bad by todays standards!

Aww, makes me miss Workbench. I still have my Amiga 500 up in the attic. Great systems when they were built and pretty stable to boot.

For what it's worth, the first Windows version I used was also 3.11 (on my IBM Aptiva, with its Intel 486 DX2 66 mHz processor!). Upgraded that to Windows 95, then bought a new system with Windows 98 (upgraded that to 98 SE), then rebuilt that system into my current system that utilizes XP. From my experiences XP is a decent OS and I'm happy with it.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
3. Apple will die any minute now anyway!

Well as long as they continue to make I-pods they will be fine and from what I have heard about them they have huge issues with that as well.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 25):
Damn that looks so bad by todays standards!

I LOVE that screen capture. With your permission I'm going to run it as wallpaper on my computer to discourage others from messing with it.

At the office I used to use a screensaver that looked like the "blue screen of death" and it said 'Press any key to crash system' That worked pretty well.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:36 am

I manage about 900 Win2000/2003 servers and most irritating thing is, is that when you do updates...You constantly have to reboot Windows. I also manage UNIX/LINUX servers, and once you update those, you do not have to reboot them like you do Windows.

UNIX servers has more heck of uptimes than Windows systems do.

And one thing about Macs...there great for basic home computing only, and the more market share it (or any OS system) will, they will get exploited. I'll bet hackers are in their own little dungens or garages coding exploits and bugs for Macs already as we speak....

Now look at Firefox...We all thought the Firefox web-browser is secure...but the more market share it has gained in the past few years, that there are seeing more and more bugs and security exploits for it now.

Computer security is this folks: IS YOU!!!!! You as the user...are in control of securing and locking down a OS. Whether its Windows, UNIX, LINUX, MAC and so on.....it does not matter on which is secure or not secure...your responsible and to have the common sense on keeping one OS to a lock down.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 33):
Well, I'm not going to libel myself on a public forum, but you strongly hinted to accounting irregularities at Apple. If they're going to lie about the number of computers they have sold, what else will they lie about?

Rubbish. Apple has the billions at the bank to prove their sales. Yes, Apple is actually debt-free with billions in cash on hand. Rather difficult to achieve, unless two of your "eight" customers are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet...!  crazy 

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 37):
Well as long as they continue to make I-pods they will be fine and from what I have heard about them they have huge issues with that as well.

No. They've got short spikes of public interest in the complaints of a very, very small minority among their millions of customers.

It's a good thing that they're held to a higher standard than for example Microsoft or Dell, but a few vocal complaints don't equal "huge issues" in relation.

By far the most of those millions of iPod users are apparently quite happy with their choice.

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 39):
And one thing about Macs...there great for basic home computing only,

Too bad all the people who use Macs for a multitude of rather serious computing applications don't seem to know about that and just happily compute away...! Big grin

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 39):
and the more market share it (or any OS system) will, they will get exploited. I'll bet hackers are in their own little dungens or garages coding exploits and bugs for Macs already as we speak....

There have already been two attempts at a trojan for MacOS X. Unfortunately the user would have had to enter his administrator password for them to actually do anything, so they never hurt anybody and fizzled out.

Under Windows the same level of attack would have been successful.

So yes, the system architecture actually does matter!

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 39):
Computer security is this folks: IS YOU!!!!! You as the user...are in control of securing and locking down a OS.

That's indeed one of the biggest factors.

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 39):
Whether its Windows, UNIX, LINUX, MAC and so on.....it does not matter on which is secure or not secure...your responsible and to have the common sense on keeping one OS to a lock down.

With different systems making it much easier or much harder for the user - with the corresponding difference in actual risk.
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Yes, Apple is actually debt-free with billions in cash on hand.

How much of that do you seriously believe is down to their operating system, and how much of that is down to iPod sales?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):

Too bad all the people who use Macs for a multitude of rather serious computing applications don't seem to know about that and just happily compute away...! Big grin

Serious examples, please? Macs are as represented in big industry as they are in the home.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
With different systems making it much easier or much harder for the user - with the corresponding difference in actual risk.

The implication, again, being that the success of Microsoft over Apple is because of consumer stupidity over anything else. The only reason the majority of the world computes on Windows is because of hype, yes?
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Yes, Apple is actually debt-free with billions in cash on hand

That's a bit of an exaggeration. As an Apple shareholder, the financial that I received for Q1 and Q2 2006 showed a healthy balance sheet, but certainly not "Billions" in cash. When you look at the market worth of the company, you're talking $Billions (approx $57.92), but a fraction of that is in cash. Most if it is in assets and investments, and when you look at last year's books, their net change in cash was actually only $522 million - quite a bit off of having "billions" in cash.

They're certainly not going bankrupt any time soon, though.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
It's pretty much the same technology, just usually with better construction.

Anything out there is better than Micros**t.

I have been more than surprised and annoyed at MS inability to provide good networking capability in even the latest releases. For XP pro, it is still difficult to deal with network storage, the only way we store our files.

And with MS Office, it aggravates me to no end that MS DOES NOT recognize the different paths on a files. Say with our drawings. With CAD, I have several called E1 drawings for all the projects here. I can open multiple drawings with the same name, because they are all in separate directories. I cant do that with Excel! That is not good networking capability.

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 43):
For XP pro, it is still difficult to deal with network storage, the only way we store our files.

Eh? How are you attempting to do this? I've had no problem with it. My test network at the office has 3 XP boxes and 5 Win2k3 boxes backing up to network storage devices. It was a breeze to set up.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 43):
And with MS Office, it aggravates me to no end that MS DOES NOT recognize the different paths on a files. Say with our drawings. With CAD, I have several called E1 drawings for all the projects here. I can open multiple drawings with the same name, because they are all in separate directories. I cant do that with Excel! That is not good networking capability.

Again, eh? I have duplicate names for different files in different locations, and none of the MS products I use (Office Suite, Dev Studio, Project) have any trouble with the naming convention I use.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):

No. They've got short spikes of public interest in the complaints of a very, very small minority among their millions of customers.

It's a good thing that they're held to a higher standard than for example Microsoft or Dell, but a few vocal complaints don't equal "huge issues" in relation.

By far the most of those millions of iPod users are apparently quite happy with their choice.

I stand corrected. I know my cousin and one of my friends had to send their's back because of the screen messing up, but that was the Ipod mini and from what I know that has been discontinued in favour of the nano.
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 44):

Again, eh? I have duplicate names for different files in different locations, and none of the MS products I use (Office Suite, Dev Studio, Project) have any trouble with the naming convention I use.

Is there something I am missing? Excel, for example, doesnt show the full network path to an opened file, it only shows the file name. So if I try to open the same file name on a different directory, it tells me that I cant open the file.

What am I doing wrong?
 
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 46):
Is there something I am missing? Excel, for example, doesnt show the full network path to an opened file, it only shows the file name. So if I try to open the same file name on a different directory, it tells me that I cant open the file.

What am I doing wrong?

How do you open your files - browse to them and double click? Or do you use the File - Open - Browse method? And what version of Excel?
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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 47):

How do you open your files - browse to them and double click? Or do you use the File - Open - Browse method? And what version of Excel?

I browse to them and double click. I use Office 2003.

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RE: The Most Irritatiing Features Of Windows . . .

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:36 am

Have you tried the File - Open method? And what is the exact error message you get (word for word)?
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