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The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:55 am

Hiya,
Having looked at the thread on "The most irritating features of Windows" and reading about how great the Apple Mac experience is. It has got me thinking, is the grass really that much greener on the other side. Are there any problems or gripes which you have with Mac computers? Also, if you do not have a Mac computer what do you think would tempt you to buy one?

Having never owned a Mac, I cannot answer the first question but feel that a major reason for me not owning a Mac is the price and the fact that to use Mac you need to buy a Mac computer. The second reason could be seen as a not a big problem but as I already own a computer powerful enough to run Windows XP, why do I need to go out and buy another one.

Regards
Matt

P.S I think that Apple should release a downloadable "Live CD", like the ones available for the Linux range of operating systems, to enable people like me to try out the Apple experience. If it could run on any computer, then people, like me, could try out the operating system for free and then decide whether or not to invest in the new hardware required to make the switch  Smile
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:03 am

The one button "Mighty Mouse". Although I like that microscopic scroll ball I hate the whole mouse being 1 big button. Whats are the side buttons for?
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:31 am

Finder. It sucks utterly, and theres a new one planned for 10.5.

Thats about my only gripe.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:38 am

The price. You'd think that with the move to MacTels, the Power PC based systems would've come down in price more significantly than they have.

EDIT: Typo

[Edited 2006-06-27 00:38:59]
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
It has got me thinking, is the grass really that much greener on the other side.

Yes, it is!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
Are there any problems or gripes which you have with Mac computers?

Sure there are. So far mainly minor ones which don't remotely compare with the advantages, but there's still room for improvement.

The current Finder in MacOS X, for instance, is not as good as the last one in the classic MacOS up to version 9. There's hope, however, that it will get much-demanded improvements in MacOS X 10.5 Leopard...

Minor hardware issues do pop up once in a while with various models; Some real (like the audio noise in the PowerMac G5 when nap mode is enabled and certain PCI cards are used), some imaginary and some very rare.

All in all the net balance is still clearly positive for almost all users, but as I said elsewhere, the standards are quite a bit higher for a premium brand like Apple than they would be for a manufacturer of bargain products...

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
but feel that a major reason for me not owning a Mac is the price

If you really compare what you're getting for your money, Macs are pretty competitive, actually; The oh-so-cheap PCs are usually crippled in several not immediately apparent respects, while the relatively few Mac models have quite a well-rounded package of features.

Really comparing the features in detail can be quite revealing...

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
The second reason could be seen as a not a big problem but as I already own a computer powerful enough to run Windows XP, why do I need to go out and buy another one.

Sure, if you don't need a new computer, don't get one. But then please stay away from the nearest Apple dealer or Apple Store, including the online one - you might develop cravings otherwise...!

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
I think that Apple should release a downloadable "Live CD", like the ones available for the Linux range of operating systems, to enable people like me to try out the Apple experience. If it could run on any computer, then people, like me, could try out the operating system for free and then decide whether or not to invest in the new hardware required to make the switch

...or just use the inevitable pirated version as they do with Windows, right?

Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. The OS is a tool to sell the hardware. So that is simply not going to happen.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 1):
The one button "Mighty Mouse". Although I like that microscopic scroll ball I hate the whole mouse being 1 big button. Whats are the side buttons for?

For squeezing.

The Mighty Mouse is actually a four-button mouse: It senses you pressing the "single button" on the left or right side; You can also press down the scroll ball and squeeze the side buttons (but it does not distinguish between those, unfortunately).

Go to System settings - Keyboard & Mouse - Mouse to assign the four mouse buttons to the functions you want. By default, the Mighty Mouse is indeed configured as a single-button mouse (actually a three-button mouse) by ignoring whether you're clicking with the left or right side.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:53 am

I love my Mac, but I just wish they would make a simple, wireless optical mouse with two-click capability and a scroll wheel. In particular, I like the tactile feed-back of Logitech mice.

It just seems like Apple is trying to be too fancy with the Mighty Mouse. Plus it isn't wireless.

Other than that... nothing really to complain about!
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
I love my Mac, but I just wish they would make a simple, wireless optical mouse with two-click capability and a scroll wheel. In particular, I like the tactile feed-back of Logitech mice.

It just seems like Apple is trying to be too fancy with the Mighty Mouse. Plus it isn't wireless.

Other than that... nothing really to complain about!

Just connect a regular, non-Apple wireless mouse. Works just fine.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
Just connect a regular, non-Apple wireless mouse. Works just fine.

That's what I do... But I'd love something that matched the computer  Wink
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
The price. You'd think that with the move to MacTels, the Power PC based systems would've come down in price more significantly than they have.

No, the new Intel CPUs are actually quite a bit more expensive than the PowerPC chips were!
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
That's what I do... But I'd love something that matched the computer

Ahhh...I see  Smile I use one of these, and I don't think it looks pretty good next to the mac keyboard and mac monitor.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:20 am

I agree, don't even think about the standard wireless Apple Mouse. I destroyed mine with a hammer and a big grin after a year and bought the new Mighty Mouse...but as others said you can use any mouse you want. My i-Mac has other irritants on occasion but any time I think of PC's my bowels loosen and I run for the can. The best thing about Macs in my opinion? I haven't seen a pop-up ad or had my computer infected by a virus in 2 years. That alone is worth the extra $1000.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Wingman (Reply 10):
That alone is worth the extra $1000.

Have you actually tried to find a PC that costs $1000 less than your Mac and still has the same feature set? I'd love to see that!
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
No, the new Intel CPUs are actually quite a bit more expensive than the PowerPC chips were!

...Which brings me to my biggest gripe about Macs these days, the Intel chips inside them. They are fast, but they're also hot and expensive.

IBM came out with their Cell processor this year, and just last week managed to overclock a chip to 500Ghz with the help of the Georgia Institute of Technology. They still make great advancements in processor technology, and I wish that Apple hadn't jumped ship.  Sad
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 12):
...Which brings me to my biggest gripe about Macs these days, the Intel chips inside them. They are fast, but they're also hot and expensive.

And still they're the coolest and cheapest chips within their performance class, unfortunately.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 12):
IBM came out with their Cell processor this year, and just last week managed to overclock a chip to 500Ghz with the help of the Georgia Institute of Technology. They still make great advancements in processor technology, and I wish that Apple hadn't jumped ship.

I feel your pain - I hate the horrible IA32 architecture with a passion; The only saving grace of the current/upcoming versions is AMD's 64bit extension which is halfway okay (but still a far cry from the much more elegant G5).

Unfortunately IBM simply left no choice to Apple other than to jump ship. Without a viable laptop version of the G5 there was simply no way to go but out, as grim as that step was on a technological level.

For the user, the new MacBooks simply perform about as well as my 3-year-old PowerMac G5 at a tiny fraction of its power requirements.

The Cell processor is completely unusable for a universal computer running a modern operating system, unfortunately; It might have been an option otherwise.

Had IBM been more motivated to work with Apple towards their requirements, the switch would probably not have happened.

But since it became inevitable, we'll have to make lemonade from the Intel lemons as well as we can...!  yuck 
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:34 am

Mouse and keyboard need replacement. I want an @ and an Euro-key and the standard mouse just doesn't do it for me.

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Mouse and keyboard need replacement.

Keyboard: yes. A proper old-style keyboard with the indestructible mechanics of earlier Cherry ones would be great. Althought the extremely compact form factor is really nice on the current one.

Mouse: Sort of. The original mouse is excellent mechanically, but the movement sensor on my Kensington mouse is better; And I need as many buttons as possible. Even the Kensington's six buttons are not really enough for me.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
I want an @ and an Euro-key

@: <ALT>-L
€: <
ALT>-E

What's the problem?
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
And still they're the coolest and cheapest chips within their performance class, unfortunately.

For the moment. Intel is coming out with their new line, and AMD isn't taking it sitting down. They've launched a new socket, and are slated to release a whole flurry of new processors in the coming months. If history is any indication, they'll be cooler, faster, and cheaper than their Intel counterparts.

BTW, may I direct you to the Pentium D 805. It's the cheapest dual core money can buy, and with a little tweaking it can be overclocked to 4Ghz, outperforming every processor on the market today! See you do that with a Mac.  Smile

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
@: -L
€: -E

Yeah, I know that, but I want to see the symbols on the respective key. It's a minor issue, I know, but how many people did you have to tell the aforementioned combinations?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
And I need as many buttons as possible.

Three are plenty for me if I only have a right-mouse click without having to press a key on the keyboard at the same time. Plus a scroll-wheel, please.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
For the moment. Intel is coming out with their new line, and AMD isn't taking it sitting down. They've launched a new socket, and are slated to release a whole flurry of new processors in the coming months. If history is any indication, they'll be cooler, faster, and cheaper than their Intel counterparts.

Yeah, but history isn't an indication here - it's been the infamous Netburst architecture which opened Intel's flank for AMD to attack. And within a few weeks, the Pentium 4 and Netburst with it will be history itself. AMD has its work cut out for it against the new generation, that much is certain.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
BTW, may I direct you to the Pentium D 805. It's the cheapest dual core money can buy, and with a little tweaking it can be overclocked to 4Ghz, outperforming every processor on the market today!

For just a few weeks to go - it's the very last hurrah of the Netburst architecture.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
See you do that with a Mac.

Fortunately there's no need for that any more.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 17):
Yeah, I know that, but I want to see the symbols on the respective key.

If you're not using an Apple keyboard, simply put a sticker on the respective key if you need the hint. Or use the Keyboard Overview application to view all of the key assignments at a glance.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 17):
It's a minor issue, I know, but how many people did you have to tell the aforementioned combinations?

As far as I remember you're just the third one.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 17):
Three are plenty for me if I only have a right-mouse click without having to press a key on the keyboard at the same time. Plus a scroll-wheel, please.

Then pretty much any USB mouse will do. Just plug it in and it will work right away.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
If you're not using an Apple keyboard,

I am using an Apple keyboard, albeit an older version.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Then pretty much any USB mouse will do. Just plug it in and it will work right away.

Right, but those apparently don't come as standard.
As I said: minor issues. It's not that I'm pleased with every mouse that accompanies a new PC.

BTW, does Steve Jobs have a foundation similar to that of Billy the Gates?
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
@: -L

ummm... - 2? Like on EVERY other keyboard in the world? Or am I missing something...

Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794&q=mac

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
@: -L

ummm...shift-2? Like on EVERY other keyboard in the world? Or am I missing something...

Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794&q=mac

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 1):
The one button "Mighty Mouse". Although I like that microscopic scroll ball I hate the whole mouse being 1 big button. Whats are the side buttons for?

Since when is the mighty mouse 1 button. It is 2, I am using mine right now. You might have 1 button enabled. Go to System Prefs and under Key BOard mouse click mouse and you can change the buttons and what they do etc. I am very please with it. I just grip and I get exposè and push the scroll and get dashboard.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Fortunately there's no need for that any more.

There's no need for value? There's no need to have the fastest processor in the land for about $100?

As you say, to each his own.  Wink
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21):
Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

Lame. Another one who thinks he's funny, good-looking and had something valuable to share.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Yes, it is!

Perhaps you should look at getting a Windows PC. As you say, it is greener on the other side.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 19):
Right, but those apparently don't come as standard.

Apple provides the Mighty Mouse with all new desktop Macs as far as I know.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 19):
BTW, does Steve Jobs have a foundation similar to that of Billy the Gates?

No idea - he's keeps his private affairs pretty much under wraps. But since he's made a few billion $ for himself recently (primarily by selling his Pixar stock to Disney), it's quite possible he'll do something with it. Question is if he'll seek publicity for it.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 20):
ummm... - 2? Like on EVERY other keyboard in the world? Or am I missing something...

The @ is in several different places depending on the respective operating systems and locales...

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 20):
Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

Mildly amusing, but factually incoherent and definitely very outdated. Most of the rant appears to refer to the old "classic" MacOS 9 (and a horribly damaged installation or unreliable apps at that), some of it to very early versions of OS X...

I can see that Windows sufferers need to vent their envy from time to time, but it helps if the facts are at least halfway correct...!
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 23):
There's no need for value?

Sure there is. But spending development funds on a tricked-out dinosaur of an outdated near-combusting end-of-lifed CPU with a small cache, slow front-side bus and a preposterously long pipeline, which is going nowhere and which needs a high-end cooling solution which is more expensive than the CPU itself is not my idea of value, exactly.

Especially not when its far more efficient successor is already on deck which wipes the floor with its decrepit ancestor.

Apple already has a top-of-the-line machine which is more powerful than that Pentium would be - the PowerMac G5 Quad - so why bother at all? It simply makes no sense, whichever way you're looking at it.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 25):
Perhaps you should look at getting a Windows PC. As you say, it is greener on the other side.

I already am on your other side...!   

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 19):
BTW, does Steve Jobs have a foundation similar to that of Billy the Gates?

No...Steve Job's annual income from Apple is US$1 and from Pixar it was US$52. He made his money from the sale of Pixar and holds stock in Apple and Disney which is worth $4.4 billion. As for charity, rumors have it that he donates to charities anonymously. But many organizations say that when rich people give money they do it publicly so not to get criticized. (Gates too heaps of criticism). The only visible donations that have been given in Jobs or his wife's name were to the Democratic party. Jobs doesn't give to religous organizations because he is an atheist but he is known to be a supporter of the arts.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 12):
and just last week managed to overclock a chip to 500Ghz with the help of the Georgia Institute of Technology.

That 500ghz chip is not a general processing unit, its a very specific DSP and thus is not worht mentioning in a thread about CPUs.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 20):
ummm... - 2? Like on EVERY other keyboard in the world? Or am I missing something...

A good proportion of the world doesnt have it on the '2' button.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
I can see that Windows sufferers need to vent their envy from time to time, but it helps if the facts are at least halfway correct...!

I've been using Mac's all my life. Don't make assumptions.

And, that video does relate to Mac OSX, because he talks about the dock menu on the bottom and about the mighty blue apple up top.

I don't know, I love that video and it's very funny, mainly because it's exaggerated. I know it may not be completely true, since I've used Macs forever, but it's enjoyable.

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:33 pm

Maybe I just don't know how to fix this problem, but I hate it when I'm on the University MACS, and when I open Word, or most any software, a bunch of windows pop up and scatter all over the monitor. The text window is on one side, the paragraph one on another. It clutters the entire screen. That annoys the f*ck out of me. That, and the retarded mouse...the whole damn mouse is a button. Who came up with that? And the keyboards stink and are difficult to type on.

I'll take a windows machine any day for these reasons. Even though Windows machines have probably more problems of their own.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 31):
I hate it when I'm on the University MACS, and when I open Word, or most any software, a bunch of windows pop up and scatter all over the monitor. The text window is on one side, the paragraph one on another. It clutters the entire screen.

Never seen that before. Word for Mac is pretty clean I think. If they have the default set to some stupid settngs then yeah it will end up like that. Otherwise can't imagine it.

Most any software? windows pop up and scatter all over the monitor? What are you using? I open Word...I get menus and the textspace, just like the window's version. Open Excel...Menus and the worksheet, just like the Window's version. Open iCal...Calendar, iPhoto...all my photos in nice neat folders. I can't imagine any software that does what you say the mac does.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
Sure there is. But spending development funds on a tricked-out dinosaur of an outdated near-combusting end-of-lifed CPU with a small cache, slow front-side bus and a preposterously long pipeline, which is going nowhere and which needs a high-end cooling solution which is more expensive than the CPU itself is not my idea of value, exactly.

My idea of value is buying a processor for $100 and tweaking it a bit to run faster than procs costing ten times as much. THAT's my idea of value.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:57 pm

I have it!!!!!!! the insight of the century!!!!!!!!!

Microsoft is actually the reincarnation of Joseph Lucas a/k/a the Prince of Darkness.

I've always thought that the apt comparison is between something elegant and fast but undeniably aristocratic-a large BMW sedan, say...and something crude and undeniably effective like a Plymouth Roadrunner that is marginally streetable....all depends on your tastes but there's a lot of democracy here.

C'mon down and join the rabble Klaus. Let's see you get your hands dirty.


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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 30):
And, that video does relate to Mac OSX, because he talks about the dock menu on the bottom and about the mighty blue apple up top.

Most of the rant is clearly about OS 9, with the Dock almost the only reference to OS X. It's just too inconsistent and unrealistic to even be funny.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 33):
My idea of value is buying a processor for $100 and tweaking it a bit to run faster than procs costing ten times as much. THAT's my idea of value.

You'd end up with a power-hungry, noisy and outdated system right from the start. And at the point where it actually runs halfway reliably it's quite probable the new systems with the new CPUs will be faster, more efficient and ultimately even cheaper.

As I said before: If fiddling with the system is your hobby, just go ahead; But neither Apple nor any user would be well served by that end-of-lifed CPU...
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 34):
C'mon down and join the rabble Klaus. Let's see you get your hands dirty.

What do you think I'm doing here...?  mischievous 
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 34):
C'mon down and join the rabble Klaus. Let's see you get your hands dirty.

What do you think I'm doing here...?

Well, I dunno....I'm not quite sure....that's what I do here too.... I have worked in the past and here's the evidence

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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:48 am

Out of interest to some here, I ripped and encoded a DVD last night on my Macbook using Handbrake and then did the same DVD on a Windows based Athlon64 3400+ system using AutoGK in order to satisfy a personal curiosity.

The Macbook took 25 minutes nearly dead on.

The Athlon system took about 45 minutes.

I know what I will be using to rip DVDs from now on....
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:54 am

Its users.

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Oh no, she's getting impatient! Take a stab at it!
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer.

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 38):
Out of interest to some here, I ripped and encoded a DVD last night on my Macbook using Handbrake and then did the same DVD on a Windows based Athlon64 3400+ system using AutoGK in order to satisfy a personal curiosity.

The Macbook took 25 minutes nearly dead on.

The Athlon system took about 45 minutes.

I know what I will be using to rip DVDs from now on....

Could the type of program (One is freeware and the other you pay for with the operating system) and or setting of the capture have had any effect on the speed?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
If you really compare what you're getting for your money, Macs are pretty competitive, actually; The oh-so-cheap PCs are usually crippled in several not immediately apparent respects, while the relatively few Mac models have quite a well-rounded package of features.

One of my mates was given a £200 Dell computer and then wondered why he could not run Fs2004 at the highest detail setting smoothly..... or the train simulator he uses.. lol it found it hard enough to run the operating system.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Sure, if you don't need a new computer, don't get one. But then please stay away from the nearest Apple dealer or Apple Store, including the online one - you might develop cravings otherwise...!

I have been watching some of the adverts that are being played to try and make people switch and find then very funny, even if they do say a few white lies when it comes to the Windows posotives.


Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. The OS is a tool to sell the hardware. So that is simply not going to happen.

 cry  - Ah well Microsoft will be releasing Vista within the near future, which should feed my hunger on operating systems (Have got Windows and SUSE Linux on my computer)

Regards,
Matt
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting Klaus (Thread starter):
For squeezing.

The Mighty Mouse is actually a four-button mouse: It senses you pressing the "single button" on the left or right side; You can also press down the scroll ball and squeeze the side buttons (but it does not distinguish between those, unfortunately).

Haha klaus do you actually have anything bad to say about Apple?
Were you as *confident* as I was back in 95 when their future was questionable?
Seriously, the mighty mouse is cr*p compared to some mice, you can't have THAT many good things to say! Can't complain though  Smile
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 40):
One is freeware and the other you pay for with the operating system

Both AutoGK and Handbrake are freeware that isnt bundled with the OS.

And both were using the ffmpeg binary and library to do the actual encoding to the same quality divx using the same settings.

I can rerun both with the binaries myself if you really want.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 42):
I can rerun both with the binaries myself if you really want.

Ah dont wory, I found it really interesting  thumbsup   Smile

Regards,
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 41):
Haha klaus do you actually have anything bad to say about Apple?

Sure. See post #4, for a start. That Apple is head and shoulders above the rest of the bunch has at least as much to do with the ineptitude of the others as it does with Apple's actual qualities. Apple products are pretty decent, but still far from perfect. The problem is just the huge amount of utter crap that's being peddled otherwise.

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 41):
Were you as *confident* as I was back in 95 when their future was questionable?

I don't know - I just hoped they would pull through.

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 41):
Seriously, the mighty mouse is cr*p compared to some mice, you can't have THAT many good things to say! Can't complain though

So which one is it now?  mischievous 
I've bought my Kensington mouse before the Mighty Mouse came out, so I haven't used that one. I did like the original, simple one-button mouse, however. The Kensington mouse is ugly as sin, but at least it works okay.
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:45 am

Klaus, i'm not complaining, I love apple  Smile
I have the logitech MX1000 with my macintosh desktop and just use the standard 1 clicker with the notebook  Smile
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:42 pm

The most irritating feature of a Mac? The annoying user with a superiority complex usually hovering over its keyboard.  wink 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 38):
I ripped and encoded a DVD last night on my Macbook using Handbrake and then did the same DVD on a Windows based Athlon64 3400+ system using AutoGK

Lovely test with one big oversight: 3400 is a single core, and the MB as we know packs a Core Duo. I would recommend taking your MacBook to Boot Camp and having another go.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
You'd end up with a power-hungry, noisy and outdated system, etc., etc.

Fair enough, but I meant to get the point across to you that Macs are not for everybody. The other point I want to make is that very few people are kept from switching just because they don't know about it. The entire IT industry and, by extension, the corporate world is entirely Windows-based. If Apple had had its act together in the mid-90s then maybe things would be different. These days however, I think the world is too entrenched in its computing ways to make such a drastic change at this point. I'm still waiting for the mass exodus expected by the fanboys after Boot Camp was released.
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 47):
Lovely test with one big oversight: 3400 is a single core, and the MB as we know packs a Core Duo. I would recommend taking your MacBook to Boot Camp and having another go.

Thats the entire point....
 
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RE: The Most Irritating Feature Of A Mac Computer...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 46):
The most irritating feature of a Mac? The annoying user with a superiority complex usually hovering over its keyboard.

You're misunderstanding that, apparently - It's not that you were in any way inferior to others; Just your computer system is...!

I'm in fact convinced that you definitely deserve better than what you've got!  bigthumbsup 

If you really choose to settle for Windows it's alright with me - but most Windows users simply don't know what the alternatives are; And that is pretty much the worst of all possible reasons to stick with something...

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