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N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:52 am

"North Korea would respond to a pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war," the state-run media said Monday, heightening anti-U.S. rhetoric amid close scrutiny of its missile program."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/03/north.korea.ap/index.html

Some questions--
1) Are we sending any aid, monetary or food or otherwise, to North Korea these days?
2) What are South Korea and China doing lately? Seems like the "Sunshine policy" isn't working and North Korea doesn't want to have anything to do with anyone other than the US anyway...
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:58 am

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Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:06 am

Are we playing "Who's Got the Dumbest Leader?" with North Korea? Bush would be dumb to attack North Korea, and Kim Jong Il would be dumb to start a nuclear war........
 
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
"North Korea would respond to a pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war,"

Unless their nuclear program is much further advanced than current estimates of a handful of warheads and their missiles suddenly gain 3,000km in range, I don't think anyone should be afraid of annihilation other than the North Koreans themselves. Its just all bluster.
 
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 2):

Your point being....?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 1):
If we don't Iraq them, then there's no reason to get your panties in a wad.

Your point being....?

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 4):
Unless their nuclear program is much further advanced than current estimates of a handful of warheads and their missiles suddenly gain 3,000km in range

...and if we kibbutz long enough such that they have the time to perfect their missile capabilities? I would think South Korea is very nervous regardless of what happens vis a vis the US?
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Your point being....?

The sharp bit at the end ...........  Silly
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 4):
Unless their nuclear program is much further advanced than current estimates of a handful of warheads and their missiles suddenly gain 3,000km in range, I don't think anyone should be afraid of annihilation other than the North Koreans themselves. Its just all bluster.

I'm not worried. Considering that almost 60 percent or greater of the population is malnourished, the people could hardly put up a fight. But this is just sabre-wrattling, by a moronic, dog-eating despot lookng for some attention from the US, S Korean and Chinese negotiators. It would royally piss off the N Koreans if we do shoot down their missile, rendering North Korea impotent, militarily. I'm more worried about one of the hottie-women tennis players being eliminated from the Q-finals at Wimbledon.
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:35 am

Is there no way for us to start sending money to the people of N. Korea covertly? Or to start propoganda that would get to the poor, malnutritioned masses of the country? Sort of like we did with the Soviets during the cold war. There is clearly a better way to handle this than with guns and bombs.
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:55 am

Does the US even have to be involved?
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:08 am

You know, why is it that back in the good old days of MAD and the Cold War we used to promise that any attack would be met with overwhelming force, but now, with an even crazier tinpot dictator, we wet our pants and "warn" them not to test their missile?

When did our strategy toward nuclear weapons change?

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Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:10 am

Kim Jong Il is just an attention whore. It wouldn't surprise me if this is his attempt to retake the spotlight after Israel made noise this past week.  scratchchin 
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
"North Korea would respond to a pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war," the state-run media said Monday

The big question there is how many times can we make the rubble bounce?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 8):
Is there no way for us to start sending money to the people of N. Korea covertly? Or to start propoganda that would get to the poor, malnutritioned masses of the country?

We could go through the UN, you know, like a food for nukes program. It would really be a wonderful thing. All those dedicated UN workers helping to feed those poor NK's and not expecting a thing in return except a nuclear warhead!
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
Does the US even have to be involved?

Don't you think this kinda involves us...

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

I'm pretty sure we won't do a damn thing. But watch this build up to the next semi-Cold War. We can't go in there, so that just gives them more time to build.

I'm sure Oppenheimer is rolling over right now.
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:25 am

By the time North Korea launches it, their country will be uninhabitable for hundreds of years, not like it is already!
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:27 am

For some reason I find myself thinking about a garter snake that once reared its head and challenged my power lawnmower.

The lawnmower won!
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:45 am

Trouble Ahead.Too much Hot Talk these days  Smile
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):
For some reason I find myself thinking about a garter snake that once reared its head and challenged my power lawnmower.

The lawnmower won!

Except that the guy pushing our lawnmower is just talking about mowing the lawn, but will probably talk to the grass instead, and maybe water the plants.

Time to get tough with these bastards. Again, I'll ask anyone---when did our philosophical strategy change in dealing with nuclear countries?
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:49 am

I've been watching this develop, now N.Korea wouldn't launch an attack on South Korean or American troops unless they have to, or unless the country is about to crumble, however, i'm sure as long as we don't invade them, it will all be hype talk, and was possibly said just to keep the west on their toes , N.Korea wouldn't want to lose vital Allies such as China, by launching a nuclear weapon or invading a country.
At the end of the day, they've said that they will attack,if they are attack, so while we should not under estimate them, we shouldn't lose our heads about it.
I'm pretty anti-communist, and so will be glad to see the fall of North Korea, but it will most likely fall on its own accord, no need to invade them just yet, however, if needs be...

Quoting Slider (Reply 17):
Again, I'll ask anyone---when did our philosophical strategy change in dealing with nuclear countries?

Just a guess, but perhaps after the fall of the USSR ?

Kim Jong II, is most likely twiddling his thumbs, in his big palace, eating on 2nd servings of steak, while his population starve, and give up lots of things just to keep the empire going.
The people will not put up with it forever, especially once someone breaks news of what things are like in the west, but sadly, as long as he has the power of the people, and the military, the country will survive for a while yet

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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
Don't you think this kinda involves us...

I'm not so sure it does. It could be a great opportunity for the world to show us the better way through their cherished "multilateralism" and "dialogue".
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:51 am

Who says that the nukes they claim to have are real? Didn't the Soviet Union use fake (or dummy) nukes to freak out the NATO alliance?
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:19 am

hmm, let them try. Exchange nukes one for one, see who runs out of targets first...
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:11 am

Does Kim realize what "nuclear war" means to N. Korea? There's not gunna be a whole lot of "warring" going on. North Korea will lob an estes rocket into the Bering Sea, meanwhile we'll retaliate with hundreds of land and sea based warheads which will literally remove N. Korea from the Earth instantaneously. If he's anywhere near serious about this he's far more crazy than I thought.
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
Does Kim realize what "nuclear war" means to N. Korea?

He is counting on using his nukes as a counterweight, not on actually lobbing them over the ocean. If the USA are already appeasing him now, I just can't wait till he actually has intercontinental nukes.

Besides, he can threaten his regional enemies (S. Korea, Japan etc.) and get his hands on more "aid" (which his country can't live without) with the assurance that the USA are too chickenshit to do anything unless he actually nukes the place.

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Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 1):
If we don't Iraq them, then there's no reason to get your panties in a wad.

Then what happens if a few pissed off rebels from either side blow-up some car bombs and Kim Jung thinks its U.S. Special Forces staging a preemptive attack? What happens if one of North Korea's own weapons processing facilities has an accident, and the higher-ups insist it's an outside attack?

There is ample room for the U.S. to be drug into a conflict without shooting the first shot.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
Does Kim realize what "nuclear war" means to N. Korea?

He doesn't give a damn about anyone's well being, save his own ugly ass....

Quoting Slider (Reply 17):
Time to get tough with these bastards.

I suspect if our stockpiles of guided weapons, kevlar, ect were not dangerously low because of conflict in Iraq and Afganistan, we could do something. But our military options are not sufficent to really shove these dickheads back into their place.

So we just keep walking around with our tail between our legs and allow this nutcase to keep pulling strings at the expense of millions of people...
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:01 am

The US is deeply involved in this conflict. Look at your Post-WWII history.

We focused on rebuilding Japan.
The Soviet goes into China and then Northern Korea.
Our relations have been getting bad with the Soviet
President asks Military leaders to figure out a place to stop the Soviet advancement...(split the country for rebuilding it).
US official doesn't even know where Korea is. He uses a National Geographic map.
Chooses the 38th parallel and makes a deal with the Soviet.
Korea is split...families split.
Soviet will help rebuild northern half of Korea and the US will do the south.
Kim Il Song becomes a favorite of Stalin.
Kim Il Song convinces Stalin to fund a war to unify the Koreas. Stalin doesn't really care, he is more interested in Eastern Europe. But gives it a go. Chinese also talked with and Mao Zedong (who doesn't like Kim Il Song) sends troops.
Korean War begins. (Mao Zedong's son is killed...not happy camper)
The northern armies get as far south as Pusan but are pushed back to the 38th.
Armistice is reached but the two Koreas remain in a defacto state of War.

The US is instrumental in the modern history of the Koreas. Can't separate us out.
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:06 am

Little boy Kimmy won't do anything. He wants to remain in power, drive his expensive cars, eat like a king, watch his movies, wear platform shoes and get his hair styled a la James Dean while his people starve to death. The last thing Kimboy wants is to have his fantasy ruined by war.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
Does Kim realize what "nuclear war" means to N. Korea? There's not gunna be a whole lot of "warring" going on. North Korea will lob an estes rocket into the Bering Sea, meanwhile we'll retaliate with hundreds of land and sea based warheads which will literally remove N. Korea from the Earth instantaneously. If he's anywhere near serious about this he's far more crazy than I thought.

actually the United States wouldn't be stupid enough to drop any nukes on North Korea....we have enough conventional weapons to rip them a new bunghole..

nuclear fallout would be disaterous in that part of the world...
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 25):
The US is deeply involved in this conflict. Look at your Post-WWII history.

I know we're intimately involved--my question is do we have to be *now*? Wouldn't it be better to have China/South Korea/Japan solve this problem?
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 24):
There is ample room for the U.S. to be drug into a conflict without shooting the first shot.

That's my fear as well, especially since we're on the hook to respond with Japan if they get into it.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 25):
The US is instrumental in the modern history of the Koreas. Can't separate us out.

True enough- and I don't think anyone's disputing that at all. The response to the Domino Theory was quite clear. Problem is that in Korea, like many wars, we didn't let the military finish the job. We didn't see it through. MacArthur got sacked and we blinked, happy with a half-assed compromise solution. So, yes, we're in it, as evidence by our troops at the DMZ tripwire.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Wouldn't it be better to have China/South Korea/Japan solve this problem?

I would love to have the other nations in the region solve it. But China is playing both sides, as is Jorge Bush. We'll be up to our gills in a big stinky North Korean shit sandwich soon enough.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:54 pm

Man, George Bush is getting a lot of ACTION in his two terms in office. Still not more ACTION then Bill Clinton though  Wink
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:05 pm

Maybe it's time we sent our BIG-GUN on the peace mission.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 30):
Still not more ACTION then Bill Clinton though

A cigar, and a pig? Beastiality is hardly action, but whatever floats the boat. What's more disturbing is the left's contentionthat we offer incentives to this nut as we foolishly did with Iran. Offering incentives to far-out crackpots like the Iranians, which gves the dictatorial regimes the attention they crave=Victory.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
"North Korea would respond to a pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war,"

No, I'm not a war hawk and of all things I want to see in my lifetime, nuclear war is nowhere in that spectrum. However, after reading this post, the initial thought that came to mind was:


Bring it on b****.

Nonetheless, the thought of nuclear war is disturbing to say the least. I hope there can be a peaceful resolution. But one way or the other, I also don't want to see the U.S. or any other part of the world threatened by someone who's constantly getting his panties in a bundle because noone's paying attention to him.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:06 pm

Is there any scope for Debate.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:21 pm

The question is now who in North Korea has the real power. Is it Kim or are the real people in power the concrete heads of the army, who were loyal to his father and maybe just consider Kim to be aq stupid figurehead?

The Chinese actually are not too happy about NK's ambitions. They want peace in the region, so that they can concentrate on the econnomic growth.
On the other hand they don't want any growth of American influence in the region.
Also, even South Korea is afraid of a collapse in North Korea. They have seen how the collapse of East Germany, much wealthier than North korea, has almost bankrupted Western Germany. They know that a reunification under current conditions wouls put a stop to their economic growth.

Quoting Slider (Reply 29):
Problem is that in Korea, like many wars, we didn't let the military finish the job. We didn't see it through. MacArthur got sacked and we blinked, happy with a half-assed compromise solution. So, yes, we're in it, as evidence by our troops at the DMZ tripwire.

And start WW3 by attacking China, eventually drawing the Soviet Union into the fight? This was what McArthur wanted and Eisenhower stopped him rightly.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 25):
The northern armies get as far south as Pusan but are pushed back to the 38th.
Armistice is reached but the two Koreas remain in a defacto state of War.

Nice summary, but there were a "couple" of extra steps between the return from Pusan and the armistice IIRC. Something involving the return from the Yalu R.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 35):
And start WW3 by attacking China, eventually drawing the Soviet Union into the fight? This was what McArthur wanted and Eisenhower stopped him rightly.

Thanks MD11E, I was beginning to think that I had imagined all that. It was about that time it was discovered that the Centurions did not have near enough machine guns.

As for blowing N Korea to kingdom come, whether it be by conventional or nuclear means, it is going to be very difficult to take out completely the defences strung along the DMZ. If nukes are used, check first which way the prevailing wind blows.

It appear that what he wants is to talk directly to the US. Why, because he feels threatened by the US. He does not feel threatened by China or S Korea. Not sure about Japan (me not him!). Why not talk, beats me. It is not as if he is likely to leap over the table and punch the negotiator in the nose.

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Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 35):
Also, even South Korea is afraid of a collapse in North Korea. They have seen how the collapse of East Germany, much wealthier than North korea, has almost bankrupted Western Germany. They know that a reunification under current conditions wouls put a stop to their economic growth.

Indeed- and Centrair touched on this rather well. It would do far more than end their economic growth--it would decimate them. Imagine taking millions of refugees that are literally out of touch with modern civilization entirely. Wow.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 35):
And start WW3 by attacking China, eventually drawing the Soviet Union into the fight? This was what McArthur wanted and Eisenhower stopped him rightly.

Truman, actually.

I don't disagree that MacArthur overstepped his bounds, however, China was already involved, having begun hostilities in fall of 1950. They were involved and should have been repelled. Instead, history was made. Mao was emboldened, we were weakened, and millions of Chinese died during the "Cultural Revolution" as a result of our not going far enough. That's one take.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Your point being....?

Pretty obvious

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Your point being....?

Again, pretty obvious

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
I would think South Korea is very nervous regardless of what happens vis a vis the US?

We have 30,000 troops there, a forward deployed carrier battle group, and boomers ready to launch, so I would think they are concerned, but not to worried.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
Does the US even have to be involved?

Yes, we are at war with NK and have a fragile 50 year old armistice. Their threats are towards us, they tried to send a long range missile to Hawaii, and they are breaking treaties signed with the US. We are obligated to defend South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan, have signed agreements to that effect, and forced Japan to have minimal military offensive capabilities since WWII. We are obligated.

How could you possibly think we are not right in the middle of it?

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
We can't go in there, so that just gives them more time to build.

We did once, and can do it again.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
I'm not so sure it does. It could be a great opportunity for the world to show us the better way through their cherished "multilateralism" and "dialogue".

About as probable as an alien ice cream pooping taco coming down to solve this.

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 23):
with the assurance that the USA are too chickenshit to do anything

That is a mistake many have made, and many have regretted.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 25):
The US is instrumental in the modern history of the Koreas. Can't separate us out.

Exactly.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
my question is do we have to be *now*?

See above, we are obligated by our actions and treaties.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 30):
Still not more ACTION then Bill Clinton though

He was well off his game by the time he was pres, ever see the Miss America from AK he bagged as Gov? The funny thing about that was after it was revealed, she did a spread for Playboy and was smoking a cigarette naked. How funny is that? She was quite the hottie.

Quoting Slider (Reply 29):
Problem is that in Korea, like many wars, we didn't let the military finish the job.

Remember your history, one it was a UN police action, two, once China got involved on the ground our options were limited, three, it was a UN police action. Need I say more?

Quoting Baroque (Reply 36):
John Ferm late of Lexington KY had on his bumper sticker, "just one nuclear bomb can entirely spoil your day".

As I live in Lexington, what is the story behind that statement? If there is one that is.
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 38):
I would think they are concerned, but not to worried.

I disagree. Seoul is easily within striking range of even a duct-taped North Korean Yugo-rocket. South Korea is also the first place refugees will look if the N Korean regime should fall, and that is a recipe for disaster. I think they are very worried.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 38):
How could you possibly think we are not right in the middle of it?

I know we are right in the middle of this; my point is that now is a potential opportunity for Russia, South Korea, and China to grow a pair and/or at least get their story straight. Following the imminent failure of that, we'd still be there to solve the problem *and* it would be crystal clear that Russia and China are playing both sides, and South Korea is being weak if not blissfully naive. This could potentially help us in other theaters around the world, ie Iran where we are facing the exact same problem.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 38):
About as probable as an alien ice cream pooping taco coming down to solve this.

That's exactly the point. I think there is some political mileage to be gotten out of forcing the neighbors to at least feign to attempt solving their regional issues.
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 38):
As I live in Lexington, what is the story behind that statement? If there is one that is.

You can get quite a few references to John by entering John C Ferm into Google, but alas, most hit the problem of copyright. John was a member of the society of friends and an activist against nuclear armament in a very quiet way. He had a venerable VW and was proud of the bumper sticker, and pointed out that assuredly, "just one nuclear bomb would entirely spoil your day".

He was world renowned in his field and a distinguished lecturer on behalf of a number of scientific organizations. He has left a wide spread of graduate students in many corners of the world.

So yes there is a story, in his own quiet way, he was one of many great men that the US has produced.
 
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 33):
No, I'm not a war hawk and of all things I want to see in my lifetime, nuclear war is nowhere in that spectrum. However, after reading this post, the initial thought that came to mind was:


Bring it on b****.

Yea, we all know who would win that fight.
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 41):
Yea, we all know who would win that fight.
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Here is a question, what are we in fear of NK having? A fission bomb? Surely they are not capable of a fusion bomb. If they have a few fat boys that is one thing, a few H-Bombs and we really have a problem with not only the threat of use, but the clear proliferation of nuclear bomb technology far beyond the 60 year old tech I am assuming.

Now if they think a few fission bombs are going to hold a candle to 10,000 or so H-Bombs the we clearly have a whacko to deal with, which is a sure thing anyway. As far as I know we only produce fission devices to detonate our fusion bombs, so we dont even have anything in the same yield range to fight fair with, unless someone knows something I dont which is quite likely.

Our fission devices are the blasting cap for the case of dynamite that is the fusion bomb. I never hear anyone talking about this distinction. We are easily capable of delivering more yield than at Hiroshima with conventional bombs, in fact we have done it several times.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 40):
So yes there is a story, in his own quiet way, he was one of many great men that the US has produced.

Thanks, I will look into that.
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:11 am

What I can't stand is China, Russia, and even South Korea to some extent trying to appease this @sshole. They won't even pass a resolution prohibiting the trading of weapons technology to N. Korea!

So, we put our troops on the line at the DMZ, just to have our "allies" knock us in the shins so Kim Jong (Mentally) Il can further advance his capabilities.

Screw it. Let's pull our troops out (maybe put them in Japan, because at least Japan wants to be tough with N. Korea). Let's concentrate our efforts on missile defense, and let that wacko threaten his neighbors that so very much want to appease him.

Let's see where the "sunshine" policy leads then. I'm sick of the US being in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation of world policeman. If the US takes action, it's the imperialist aggressor. If we don't take action, it's "why are they letting these rogue states go unpunished".

So: China, Russia, South Korea: Go for it. Figure out your policy towards this wackjob in N. Korea. I fail to see, however, why our troops should be in the way if our hands are going to be tied, and we can't even reach agreement on a freaking missile technology embargo.

Ooooh... we'll send a sternly worded letter.

And one wonders why so many people think the UN is ridiculous.
 
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 18):
Kim Jong II, is most likely twiddling his thumbs, in his big palace, eating on 2nd servings of steak, while his population starve, and give up lots of things just to keep the empire going.



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 24):
He doesn't give a damn about anyone's well being, save his own ugly ass....

Like every dictator, that's a sad truth.

Why give aid to appease Dr.Evil?It just will be going to Jong's
pocketbook.We need to apply pressure to have North Korea
to open it's borders for economic growth.With it's cheap labor,
it could be a force.But,I guess that would be to easy.It wouldn't
be big enough spotlight or better control for Jong.

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 31):
Jesse Jackson, are you ready?

Hahaha....funny.

Speaking of the funnies-

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:38 am

The only thing North Korea has that could cause the US problems is a massive porn collection. Seriously, the Great Leader gets it imported from Scandanavia, so I do see possible American capitulation if "Debbie does Dallas" doesn't make a quick comeback.
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 20):
Who says that the nukes they claim to have are real? Didn't the Soviet Union use fake (or dummy) nukes to freak out the NATO alliance?

Lijnden,the Soviets MAY have shown dummy nukes during parades, but they definitely had the real thing ...and still do: disarmament notwithstanding.
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:51 am

Why is everyone so worried about the NK threat? The US has had ICBM's for 50 years, but NK still can't get one lift off correctly. If private people here in the US can get someone into space, you would think they could get the same thing. At least they could get the plans for an early atlas from the internet. Come on people, if the US, France, UK, China, Russia, Israel, or even India thought that the NK was a serious threat, there would be a first strike in a heartbeat. Nobody is worried about the "nuclear" threat from NK. As was said about its all about SK not wanting to reunite with NK, the cost would be too much. Do you really think NK can keep the news of the world out if we(SK and the US) really wanted them to here all about it? If its daylight you dont see the stars.

sorry for the rant

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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 47):
Why is everyone so worried about the NK threat? The US has had ICBM's for 50 years, but NK still can't get one lift off correctly.

Who says they must hit the U.S. to become the biggest murderers since Hitler and Stalin? Their medium and short-range missiles are more than adaquet for delivering a nuclear device to Japan or South Korea. They could incenerate 30,000 American troops and a few million civilians in a moments notice. That's what people worry about.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 47):
Come on people, if the US, France, UK, China, Russia, Israel, or even India thought that the NK was a serious threat, there would be a first strike in a heartbeat.

A first-strike would (without a doubt) soliticit a retaliation for the North Koreans. Some of the biggest population centers in South Korea are within artillery range of the North Korean border. The NK Army is huge. Really huge. Their conventional force could level Seoul in a day.

Because of Iraq and Aftganistan, we lack the ability to execute a first-strike and disarm their conventional force. There simply is no easy military solution here that doesn't end with unacceptable civilian losses.

That's why you aren't hearing a first-strike being discussed.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 47):
As was said about its all about SK not wanting to reunite with NK, the cost would be too much.

Who said that? It's the other way around: South Side is all "Sunshine Policy," let's be friends again. North Korea is being the plutonium thorn in the ass.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 47):
Do you really think NK can keep the news of the world out if we(SK and the US) really wanted them to here all about it?

You really don't know much about this, do you?
 
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RE: N. Korea Threatens U.S. With 'nuclear War'

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 26):
Little boy Kimmy won't do anything. He wants to remain in power, drive his expensive cars, eat like a king, watch his movies, wear platform shoes and get his hair styled a la James Dean while his people starve to death. The last thing Kimboy wants is to have his fantasy ruined by war.

You people missed the best post in the whole thread - instead, you continued speculating on how deep we could melt North Korea and posting pics of nuclear submarines.

This guy is not interested in attacking the US - the only reason he's building this stuff is because him and his cronies are scared shitless (wrongly, I might add) of what might happen if they didn't have these things. Really, they are only interested in maintaining their power base; they know as well as we do that an unprevoked attack with WMDs on any nation would be the death of all of them.

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