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ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:37 am

No story yet, just a "breaking news" banner on the upper right of EPSN.com.

That'll make the Bulls instant contenders, and will probably put the Cavaliers as the favorites in the Central next year.

And it looks like the Pistons' run could be over.
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:40 am

I heard today he was pissed with their offer and negotiations weren't going well.

Looks like he has found a new home quickly.
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:56 am

Rumor has it $52m for 4 years. Basketball players got to be the most overpaid in all of sports.
 
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Rumor has it $52m for 4 years. Basketball players got to be the most overpaid in all of sports

baseball is up there too, but in the NBA, it seems like even players that have done nothing (see: Nene) are getting fat cash. $60M...didn't even average 10ppg.
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:18 am

At least in baseball/hockey, one pays their dues in the minors, but in football/basketball giving big money to unproven players is just insane.
 
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:22 am

wow...weird yr for free agency so far. first peja bolting for $$ now Wallace, where's the loyalty? and yes, this just continues the trend of players being vastly overpaid in free agency lately. (especially bigs)
 
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:41 am

I'm not ready to hand the Cavs the division crown yet.....I'd like to think they'd win it by getter stronger, not by a division rival getting weaker.

That said, the Bulls are having an incredible week.....first scooping LSU's Tyrus Thomas via a draft day trade, now Big Ben. They won't be pushovers come next year.

And yes, NBA players are vastly overpaid.

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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
hockey,

Hockey players make jack next to the NBA, MLB, and NFL...
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting DeltaOwnsAll (Reply 5):
first peja bolting for $$ now Wallace, where's the loyalty?

peja was traded, there is no loyalty with him.

As far as Wallace and the Bulls (which I'm a huge fan of), YEEESSS!!! Wallace @ Center, Thomas and Deng @ F, and Henrick and Gordon @ G,  biggrin 

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 7):
Hockey players make jack next to the NBA, MLB, and NFL...

 checkmark  and it's a d@mn shame, too. They deserve more then any of the other three.
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Piercey (Reply 8):
peja was traded, there is no loyalty with him.

He was quoted as saying he'd "love" to stay in Indiana and that he was very impressed with the organization. New Orleans may have offered more money, but they also offered something else that Peja coveted: little chance at making the playoffs, so he doesn't have to worry about all that "pressure" again, lol.
 
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:57 pm

Another reason the love da Bulls!...  yes 
 
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Rumor has it $52m for 4 years. Basketball players got to be the most overpaid in all of sports.

They actually make less now than they did in the mid to late 1990s because of the newer cap rules.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
At least in baseball/hockey, one pays their dues in the minors, but in football/basketball giving big money to unproven players is just insane.

Um, in baseball and hockey, most of the players start playing in the minors out of high school and don't even go to college while all football players have to spend a minimum of 3 years in college and there is now a college requirement for NBA players under the new CBA (also, even with all the high schoolers who came in the post Garnett/Bryant/O'Neal era, the vast majority of new players came from at least some college experience). The reason those kids play in the minors isn't to "pay their dues" it is to develop into men like NBA and NFL players do in college. Further, the NBA has the NBDL for players to develop if they aren't good enough for the NBA

Quoting Piercey (Reply 8):
and it's a d@mn shame, too. They deserve more then any of the other three.

While each sport can argue their relative merits (Baseball: most games, Football: most danger, most revenue, Basketball: most physically demanding, Hockey: blend of football and basketball) ultimately pay is driven by a combination of factors, the greatest of which is revenue drawn by the player. In this respect; baseball, football and basketball all kick hockey in the teeth. Further, the reason baseball players are the highest paid of any of the 4 is because baseball lacks a salary cap and instead resorts to revenue sharing and luxury taxes to attempt to level the playing field. Additionally, there is no major national baseball contract in the way the others, particularly basketball and football, do it, so baseball teams are forced to actually run the teams more as businesses.
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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:11 pm

Latest rumor has Tyson Chandler coming to the Hornets in exchange for JR Smith and PJ Brown. This trade would work for both sides, what with PJ nearing the end of his career, and both Smith and Chandler have underachieved.

So far this off-season the Hornets have made the most improvements, and that, combined with the strides made last season and they should have no problems making the playoffs next season.

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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Um, in baseball and hockey, most of the players start playing in the minors out of high school and don't even go to college

Not true anymore, just checked out the roster of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Of the american born players only one didn't go to college and that was Shawn Green. Three went to community college, and other colleges include two each to the University of Kentucky and San Diego State, then other schools include Florida State, Mississippi State, Houston, Norte Dame, Long Beach State, California, East Carolina, UCLA and South Alabama. According to the book "Moneyball" most teams today prefer drafting college kids, high school players are to much of an unknown. Checked out another random roster of the Colorado Rockies, four american born players didn't go to college, and there roster is mostly made up of North Americans (US and Canada).

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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
Not true anymore, just checked out the roster of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Of the american born players only one didn't go to college and that was Shawn Green. Three went to community college, and other colleges include two each to the University of Kentucky and San Diego State, then other schools include Florida State, Mississippi State, Houston, Norte Dame, Long Beach State, California, East Carolina, UCLA and South Alabama. According to the book "Moneyball" most teams today prefer drafting college kids, high school players are to much of an unknown. Checked out another random roster of the Colorado Rockies, four american born players didn't go to college, and there roster is mostly made up of North Americans (US and Canada).

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RE: ESPN: Ben Wallace Leaving Pistons For Bulls

Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting Piercey (Reply 8):
and it's a d@mn shame, too. They deserve more then any of the other three.

 Yeah sure

The worse part about this story is that a player who averages 6.6 points per game and shoots a pathetic 40% from the free throw line (a lot worse than Shaq) called a 49.6 million dollar offer from the Pistons "disappointing". Riiiiiiight. I know dude is a monster on the boards and a great defender but get real. I hope this move backfires for the Bulls in a big way.

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