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Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:22 am

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AP=Prime Minister Ehud Olmert convened the urgent meeting after Hamas militants fired a rocket into the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon late Tuesday. Although the attack caused no injuries, it was the first time a rocket has flown so far into Israel, signaling that militants have improved the range of the primitive weapons and escalating a crisis over a captured soldier.

What is the likelihood - if any - that Hamas's latest escalations with Israel are calculated to relieve pressure off of Iran?

With Israel's attention focused heavily on the West Bank, does it mean the concerns over Iran's nuclear ambitions are being put on the back burner? And if so, could it be that this is the work of Iran and Hamas working together to turn the spotlight away from Iran?

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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
What is the likelihood - if any - that Hamas's latest escalations with Israel are calculated to relieve pressure off of Iran?

as Hamas virtually is the "sales outlet" of the Tehran leadership in the Levant, there at least was an "approval" of the financial and strategic backers "overthere" for these actions. What exactly the strategic considerations were, is far more difficult to ascertain. Those in charge in Tehran most certainly also have to take into account the strong probability that if coming under pressure, the leadership in Israel might be up for some extreme way-outs .
 
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:54 am

I would imagine Syria would be more the manipulator in this case.
I believe they are sheltering some of the top Hamas leaders.
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 2):
I would imagine Syria would be more the manipulator in this case.
I believe they are sheltering some of the top Hamas leaders.

Syria in this regard is irrelevant. They are allowing Hamas to maintain certain offices, but all this just in the context of their alliance with Iran. The Syrian organisation for Palestine is el-Saika. Not Hamas. The final say for Hamas is in Tehran.
 
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 2):
Syria

to give a bit more explanations: el-Saika to some extent is the Palestinian offshoot of the Ba'ath Party which was founded in Syria by Michel Aflaq. The fact that it is closely linked with the Syrian secret service makes it clear that it is not exactly a cuddly welfare society. It however is, and THAT is the difference to Hamas, a secularist organisation, and NOT fundamentalist like Hamas. It is obvious therefore that Hamas just is tolerated by Syria. Had Syria a real say, Hamas would have had to change its ideological positions long ago.

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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
What is the likelihood - if any - that Hamas's latest escalations with Israel are calculated to relieve pressure off of Iran?

I would say that it is very possible with Ahmadinejad's vision of wiping Israel off the map. The Palestinians were looking for any reason to break the cease fire with the Israelis . Looks to me like a coordinated effort on the part of Tehran, and Hamas
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
I would say that it is very possible with Ahmadinejad's vision of wiping Israel off the map. The Palestinians were looking for any reason to break the cease fire with the Israelis . Looks to me like a coordinated effort on the part of Tehran, and Hamas

Given the network of terror, regardless of flavor and national differences, there's always a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" relationship going on.

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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 2):
Syria

to give a bit more explanations: el-Saika to some extent is the Palestinian offshoot of the Ba'ath Party which was founded in Syria by Michel Aflaq.

Seriously,thank you for a very helpful explanation.

On the lighter side.....AFLAQ ??
(Have you ever seen the AFLAC commercials ?)
Also on the lighter side,I read somewhere the word "hamas" is a very grave insult in Arabic.
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:13 am

The culprit is more likely to be a lack of a survival instinct on the part of certain Hamas members...


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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 7):
hamas

here the explanation:
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HAMAS (in Arabic, an acronym for "Harakat Al-Muqawama Al-Islamia" -- Islamic Resistance Movement -- and a word meaning zeal) is a radical Islamic fundamentalist organization which became active in the early stages of the intifada, operating primarily in the Gaza District but also in Judea and Samaria. Formed in late 1987 as an outgrowth of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 7):
AFLAQ

and here about Michel Aflaq :
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Michel Aflaq
Arabic: mishal 'aflāq


Michel Aflaq

(1910- 89) Syrian socialist politician and thinker.
Aflaq was a fairly moderate politician, who to a great degree had to accept that much of his grand ideology , like freedom of speech and Arab unity, was never realized.
From the early stages of his political activities through his latter days, many comprimises had to result from impact with real-life situations.

BIOGRAPHY
1910: Born in Damascus into a Greek Orthodox family.
Early 1930s: Is educated at the University of Sorbonne in Paris, France.
1934: Returns to Damascus, and starts to teach at a secondary school.
1940: Establishes a study circle together with Salah al-Bitar which they call Movement of Arab Renaissance, in Arabic Ba'ath.
1942: Aflaq starts to devote himself full-time to politics.
1947 April: Aflaq is elected senior member of the executive committee of the newly established Arab Ba'ath Party.
1949 August: Aflaq is appointed minister of education.
— After he fails to win a seat in the general elections, Aflaq resigns.
1952: Flees to Lebanon in order to avoid arrest from Syria's new regime.
1954: Aflaq returns to Syria, leads the merger with the Arab Socialist Party, and becomes secretary-general of the new party.
1966 February: Following a conflict within the Ba'ath Party, Aflaq finds himself on the weaker side, and leaves for Lebanon.
1967: Moves to Brazil.
1968: Aflaq is invited to Iraq, following the Ba'ath coup there. He then resumes his leadership over the Ba'ath Party.
1970: As a protest against the lack of support from the Ba'th regime of Baghdad for the Palestinians in their fight against the Jordanian military, Aflaq once again leaves for Lebanon.
1974: Returns to Baghdad, in order to assume national leadership of the party. He was officially highly respected, but soon had to realize that he had minimal impact on Iraqi politics.
1989: Aflaq dies in Baghdad.
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 7):
AFLAC commercials ?

NOT until 3 minutes ago. Quite amusing in a way, except that I would describe this bird rather as a goose than as a duck !
 
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RE: Iran Influencing Hamas's Latest Escalation?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting LY744 (Reply 8):
a lack of a survival instinct on the part of certain Hamas members...

possible, while I rather perceive a lack of knowledge of geography ! they apparently did not know that Israeli forces were just half an hour away from them.

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