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Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:31 am

Survey of America's top 100 foreign policy experts most of whom refer to themselves as Conservative.

http://web0.foreignpolicy.com/issue_julyaug_2006/TI-index/index.html

Complete with charts.
 
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:55 am

Consider the source...the Center for American Progress is a decidedly liberal organization while the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (the underlying funding of the Foreign Policy magazine) is an anti-war, pro-peace organization. I would be curious to see their ideas of what a conservative is.

Not to say that I as a conservative think the Bush foreign policy is dead on perfect because it surely isn't nor is any leader's policy for that matter.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
Survey of America's top 100 foreign policy experts

That tells me all I need to know. I can find 100 Foreign Policy Experts at the University Of Washington, who will rebuke the administration's foreign policy.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
most of whom refer to themselves as Conservative.

Of course they do. It's a way they make themselves appear impartial, by lying about what they are, Liberals.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
...the Center for American Progress is a decidedly liberal organization while the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (the underlying funding of the Foreign Policy magazine) is an anti-war, pro-peace organization. I would be curious to see their ideas of what a conservative is.

Complete with charts. These are mouthpieces for anti-war, peace activists who's driven agenda is to undermine the war effort, at the expense of the troops because of they're seething hatred for the Bush Administration. Not at all expected.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
I can find 100 Foreign Policy Experts at the University Of Washington,

If I remember right isn't UW a very liberal school?
 
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:42 am

There really has been a lot of criticism, from both sides, albeit for mostly different reasons. See 'America Alone' by Stefan Halper and Jonathan Clarke for a pretty good critique by conservatives; also the latest book by Francis Fukuyama.

'Foreign Policy' is a pretty reputable magazine.
 
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting CannibalZ3 (Reply 4):
'Foreign Policy' is a pretty reputable magazine.

I will give you since I used them as a source many times while getting my degree in International Relations. That said, they do have an agenda just like every other publication out there. I could go find 100 policy analysts across libs, conservatives, and whatever that would think Dubya's policy is the cat's meow just like they found a fair amount that were the exact opposite.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
If I remember right isn't UW a very liberal school?

Well you wouldn't know by all the anti Bush rallies they hold at certain time of the year. UW is known for a left-leaning faculty. They were . WSU in Pullman, near Spokane is abit more to the right. Many of the anti-war and peaceactivist rallies are organised by U-dub Student Council reps over the years.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:40 am

"These pessimistic public perceptions could easily be attributed to the high cost, in both treasure and lives, of counterterrorism efforts. After all, Americans are constantly being told by their elected leaders that their pessimism is wrong, that the war is being won. But they’re also told that another attack is inevitable. Which is it?"

Why does it have to be either or? We have to be vigilant 24/7, they only have to get lucky once. The 9/11 hijackers were cunning in that they operated within the rules. The weapons they brought on board were not prohibited at the time. They bought their plane tickets in advance using a credit card. When they operate within the existing rules it is almost impossible to stop them.

"More than 8 in 10 expect an attack on the scale of 9/11 within a decade." Wow, there's a real step on the wild side. With predictions like that how long will it be before they get jobs predicting for the National Enquirer?
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
anti-war, pro-peace

When did anti-war, pro-peace become un-American? Seriously, I never thought I'd see the day when America started new wars while ignoring pressing humanitarian crises like the bloodshed in Africa and the starvation in North Korea. Somehow America has become a place I never wanted it to be.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
If I remember right isn't UW a very liberal school?

This is a really funny question if you go to Evergreen.

But seriously, it's not that liberal.
 
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
When did anti-war, pro-peace become un-American? Seriously, I never thought I'd see the day when America started new wars while ignoring pressing humanitarian crises like the bloodshed in Africa and the starvation in North Korea. Somehow America has become a place I never wanted it to be.

Come on, we still have American Idol and life is good. War is the only way we Americans can learn about geography, seeing the bombing maps on CNN is very educational. 17 years ago, no Americans could find Falujah on a map.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 10):
17 years ago, no Americans could find Falujah on a map.

As opposed to today?
 
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
oting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
anti-war, pro-peace

When did anti-war, pro-peace become un-American?

When did I ever say un-American? I didn't so stop trying to put words into my mouth and STFU! I was saying consider the source and the fact that even I can get statistics to say whatever the hell I want them to say.

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
Somehow America has become a place I never wanted it to be.

Feel free to leave whenever you want. The US is most definitely not perfect but show me a country that is better.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
When did I ever say un-American? I didn't so stop trying to put words into my mouth and STFU!

Wow, you really need to relax, pal. Loosing your cool like that doesn't do you or your views any favors.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
Somehow America has become a place I never wanted it to be.

Feel free to leave whenever you want. The US is most definitely not perfect but show me a country that is better.

What's more un-American than giving up and accepting defeat without even trying to fix the problem?
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
I never thought I'd see the day when America started new wars while ignoring pressing humanitarian crises like the bloodshed in Africa and the starvation in North Korea.

When, in the past millennia, has there not been bloodshed in Africa? How do you propose to stop it? How do you stop a despot leader from starving his own people? The country is already as isolated as one can be, what else do you propose?

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
What's more un-American than giving up and accepting defeat without even trying to fix the problem?

What's more pessimistic than lamenting problems and not offering a workable solution to them?
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 14):
How do you stop a despot leader from starving his own people? The country is already as isolated as one can be, what else do you propose?

There's always regime change, Little Buddy Big grin

If the whole WMD issue (as feeble as it was) was the litmus test for making a rogue nation eligible for US-led regime change, then what is Washington to make of the series of NoKor nucular (irony) missile launches? Hell, the US sent the cavalry into Iraq partly on the strength of the picture of gassed Kurds....why should forcibly starved North Koreans be any different?
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
Wow, you really need to relax, pal. Loosing your cool like that doesn't do you or your views any favors.

You consistently try to put words into people's mouths on this forum with your views and it gets old.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 15):
There's always regime change, Little Buddy

Well we tried that and to many bleeding hearts don't seem to have the stomach for it. So we have to go it alone and they still cry.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 15):
Hell, the US sent the cavalry into Iraq partly on the strength of the picture of gassed Kurds....why should forcibly starved North Koreans be any different?

Those people aren't dead yet and their next door neighbor has stood by them which complicates the situation.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 17):
Well we tried that and to many bleeding hearts don't seem to have the stomach for it.

That's ancient history. Who cares about bleeding hearts when you have a self-proclaimed wartime president who leads with his gut?! It's interesting that he's still fixated on diplomacy even after the missile tests....

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 17):
which complicates the situation

Yes it does, but this is a war on terror, isn't it? I mean, GWB has vowed to hunt down and eliminate not onlly terrorists themselves, but governments who sponsor and harbor them.

And it's no secret that North Korea has trained terrorists who blew up a KAL airliner in 1987 killing 115 people; nor is it a secret that North Korean agents detonated a bomb in Rangoon, Burma killing 17 South Korean soldiers.

I mean, if this is a genuine war on terror it's not like the North Korean government is lacking in the "credentials" department...
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
I can find 100 Foreign Policy Experts at the University Of Washington,

If I remember right isn't UW a very liberal school?

I suppose there are always those reputable foreign policy experts at Liberty University, Oral Roberts U. and other such bastions of conservative excellence.

You know, those schools that would admit just about anyone.
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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:54 am

Oooooh!!! It has charts too? Wow....they really did their homework.

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RE: Slam Dunk Rebuke Of Bush Foreign Policy

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
I can find 100 Foreign Policy Experts at the University Of Washington

I get your point, but da&$&(( that's funny.
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