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Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:01 am

Sorry to all the national media who tried so hard to get LeBron out of Cleveland next year or the year after-your attempts failed:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/9545949

Fortunately, LeBron didn't listen to the pundits on ESPN, or idiots like Skip Bayless, and he's staying here, probably for good.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:05 am

Let's wait until the Cavs win multiple championships until we crown him the next NBA King and second coming of Michael Jordan. Until then I think he is a good player on a decent team but by no means incredible. Will the Pistons be the nemesis of these Cavs as the Bulls were the bete noir of the Cavs in the 90s? LeBron can't do it alone...management must get him some better supporting players.

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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
Until then I think he is a good player on a decent team but by no means incredible

Uh hu. A "good player"  rotfl  That's why he was 2nd in the MVP voting. He is one of the great players of this era, and, barring injury, will be one of the all-time greats of the game.

I guess seeing him only 3 or 4 times a year, DG, isn't enough to appreciate what an incredible player he is.
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:29 am

No need to ROFL but he is a good player. Is he a great player? Only time will tell. Getting beyond the semifinals of the conference and actually winning some titles will help him gain great player status. I will give you the fact he is a fun player to watch and despite my misgivings upon him entering the league he has succeeded beyond anything I thought or wished.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
No need to ROFL but he is a good player. Is he a great player? Only time will tell.

He became on the 3rd player in NBA history to average over 30 points a game, 6 rebounds a game and 7 assist a game-the other two were the Big O and Magic. He averaged 32 points a game in the regular season this year, and around 34 in the playoffs.

He's already a great player. That is not even in doubt, my friend.

And, in fairness, a lot of players who are considered great never did win a title. But I think he'll bring at least 2 or 3 here.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:46 am

Being in Cleveland Ohio myself, he is a good player. IMHO - the team needs more players and LeBron needs to let the other players play as well. Last time I looked the name was the Cavs and not the LeBrons!
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:51 am

LeBron is a very good player no doubt. But he isn't quite on the level of Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade just yet. Why do I say that? Because those two players alone have shown that when their team needs it in critical playoff and championship situations, they can carry the entire team on their back and win the game for them. LeBron has done it in the regular season and I don't doubt he will do it sometime in the future, but he hasn't yet. Right now, third year player Dwayne Wade has shown that he can win a championship for Miami basically on his own, even though Dallas pretty much outplayed MIami in the finals.

I am keeping Michael Jordan out of this because he is in a class of his own. I don't like comparing players to him.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 5):
LeBron needs to let the other players play as well.

What do you call averaging over 7 assists a game? That's called letting the other players play their game. If they had a few better shooters, his APG would probably be closer to 10.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 6):
But he isn't quite on the level of Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade just yet.

Kobe is a ball hog, pure and simple. He's a deadly assassin when the game is on the line, no doubt, but he's not a team player. LeBron is probably just behind him in all-around game.

Dwayne is a great player. But where LeBron separates himself from Wade is the fact that he can get tougher underneath, and his body will hold up better in the long run than Wade's because of the play underneath.

Dwayne had a better supporting cast, but I don't think he's a better player than LeBron. I put them just about equal, with LeBron's game slightly ahead.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:14 am

Falcon,

In his third year in the league, Wade has a championship and Lebron doesn't. Dallas had a better team than Miami, but Wade basically single handedly won the championship for Miami.

Detroit had a better team than Cleveland in the playoffs. Lebron still lacks that certain something that Wade shows he had in the playoffs this year. Mind you, Lebron made two great game winning shots (that I remember) in the Detroit series, but its the Heat that won the championship.

So sure, stats mean something, but if you want to have your legacy remembered, you have to win championships. And who was everybody talking about? Wade, not James.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 8):
In his third year in the league, Wade has a championship and Lebron doesn't.

Doesn't mean he's a better player. One person doesn't win a title-not even Michael can do it all on his own. LeBron is a better player. He's the better scorer; he's the better rebounder; he's even with Wade in assists. He's the better player-not by much, but he is.

Wade has the ring, but when it's all said and done, in 15 years, people I think will talk more about LeBron than Dwayne.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:24 am

Falcon,

I'll have to disagree with you. If he was the better player, he would have lifted his team over the Pistons when they needed it. Wade showed that he could in the toughest of situations, with his team down 2-0 and down thirteen in game three.

Dallas was a better team than Miami, but Wade found a way to give Miami the series win.

Detroit was a better team than Cleveland, but James didn't find a way to give Cleveland the series win.

Who do you think is happier with this season? Wade or James? What would they rather have, their legacy based on small statisticaly differences, or the number of championships they lead their team to?
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
I'll have to disagree with you.

That's what this forum is about. No problem with that.  Smile
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:50 am

The only thing I 'witnessed', was Cleveland not making it to the finals....
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 12):
The only thing I 'witnessed', was Cleveland not making it to the finals....

Along with 30 other teams, if I'm not correct, AA.

Knew you'd get involved with this when you saw it. Nice to hear from ya.  Smile
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Knew you'd get involved with this when you saw it. Nice to hear from ya

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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
That's why he was 2nd in the MVP voting

Thanks to the spin of the very same media you were badmouting in your thread opener. No way is he more valuable to his team than Kobe is to the Lakers. The fact that so called analysts say so is mind boggling.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Kobe is a ball hog, pure and simple.

Yeah keep listening to the BS coming out of those journalists whos credibility you are supposedely doubting...  Yeah sure


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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 15):
Yeah keep listening to the BS coming out of those journalists whos credibility you are supposedely doubting...

Cop the attitude, dude. No one else has it here. Kobe IS a ballhog. He is a great player, but he's a ballhog, and he's not making those around him any better, as guys like LeBron and Wade are. He tanked it in the last game of the year, and that tells me more than I need to know.

If I were starting a TEAM, I'd pick LeBron over anyone, with Wade a close 2nd. I wouldn't pick Kobe to build a TEAM around.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
Cop the attitude, dude. No one else has it here.

Why don't you cop the bullshit? Everyone in the media loves picking on Kobe and everyone LOVES LBJ, Wade, Melo etc. Now, I don't care, but it's gotten to the point that it affects officiating, BIG TIME. Just watch what kind of shit people get away with when they're "guarding" Kobe... and count the number of times he gets to the line, compared to, say, LeBron. I guess Kobe just isn't aggressive enough to get calls.  Yeah sure Oh, and BTW, Kobe's APG numbers throughout his career have been on par with all the other leading shooting guards in the league. Deal with it.


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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:42 am

With LeBron signing on the dotted line to play long term in Cleveland and Denver coming to an agreement with their stars, perhaps the smaller markets (Sorry Tom, New Orleans has such bad ownership) are going to be able field teams that have a decent chance of winning. LeBron will be associated with Cleveland as Jerry West was with the Lakers.
 
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 8):
In his third year in the league, Wade has a championship and Lebron doesn't. Dallas had a better team than Miami, but Wade basically single handedly won the championship for Miami.

a LJ and Ben Wallace duo would have made a formiddable force in Chi'town..add a few more quality players and Chicago would be one of the top teams in the NBA..
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
add a few more quality players and Chicago would be one of the top teams in the NBA..

Well they've got a good thing going as it is. They should be a force in the East this coming season. Assuming the trade with NO goes through.


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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:40 pm

If I was professional athlete I would take a small pay cut to go to a decent city, without a doubt. Here, you have the world in your hand, and you decide to live in a place who's prime has passed 40 years ago.

I couldn't imagine getting paid millions of dollars per year in the NBA and having to live in Memphis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, or Sacramento. Or playing in the NHL and having to live in Pittsburgh or Buffalo. I mean, I hate Houston, but if I was getting paid millions of dollars I wouldn't mind it, but Buffalo (NHL) or Cleveland (NBA)... Wow, you'd have to throw me one hell of a nice offer my way to actually care about your city.
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
Wow, you'd have to throw me one hell of a nice offer my way to actually care about your city.

That's probably because you seem to be a money-grubber to beging iwth, Jcs.  Big grin
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:36 pm

I am glad to see that he is showing loyalty to the team and his home state. Of course, he could be traded to a NYC/LA team in the future.
He is from the Akron area, so maybe he likes the idea of and feels confortable in his home state, playing not far from where he grew up. With the crap from the fans and sports writers that happens to celeb athletes in NYC and LA, maybe he is making the smart move. Sometimes money isn't everything. To me he is a great player already, and will be up there in the all time greats. He isn't a selfish ball hog, plays an excellent and balanced all around game.
 
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:36 pm

I am glad to see that he is showing loyalty to the team and his home state. Of course, he could be traded to a NYC/LA team in the future.
He is from the Akron area, so maybe he likes the idea of and feels confortable in his home state, playing not far from where he grew up. With the crap from the fans and sports writers that happens to celeb athletes in NYC and LA, maybe he is making the smart move. Sometimes money isn't everything. To me he is a great player already, and will be up there in the all time greats. He isn't a selfish ball hog, plays an excellent and balanced all around game.
 
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Fortunately, LeBron didn't listen to the pundits on ESPN, or idiots like Skip Bayless, and he's staying here, probably for good.

Actually, a number of ESPN Radio talk show hosts (Mike Greenberg, Mike Golic, etc.) have said that it would be a horrible decision for LeBron James to leave Cleveland for the Knicks, Bulls or Lakers. Especially the Knicks, the team everybody calls one of the worst franchises in the NBA.
 
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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
Actually, a number of ESPN Radio talk show hosts (Mike Greenberg, Mike Golic, etc.) have said that it would be a horrible decision for LeBron James to leave Cleveland for the Knicks, Bulls or Lakers. Especially the Knicks, the team everybody calls one of the worst franchises in the NBA.

Agreed. But there's no doubt that some in the national media, and in media in New York and L.A. especially, have been pushing this "LeBron doesn't want to stay in Cleveland" story since he was drafted.

It seems that L.A. and New York media seem to think that every athlete wants to play there, and they have some God-given right almost to have these players. Sorry guys, we get LeBron till 2012 at least.  Big grin
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Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:45 am

I'm so glad that LeBron is staying in Cleveland. I enjoyed the old Gund Arena in my time in Cleveland and I hope he does well there. I'm further glad he is not moving to NY or Chitown or LA. That's what happen in baseball, the rich get richer, and the so called "smaller market" teams lose players all the time.

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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 27):
I enjoyed the old Gund Arena in my time in Cleveland

Or do you mean the old Richfield Coliseum? Gund Arena-now Quicken Loans Arena, is only about 12 years old.

Just curious.

I preferred the old Coliseum over The Q, although Dan Gilbert has done quite a bit to jazz the place up. But the Q is nowhere near the arena that The Coliseum, at least fan-wise. The Q can get noisy, but the old Coliseum could get deafening.

And too bad Cleveland didn't build a structure as good as Nationwide Arena in Columbus. That place is awesome.
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Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 20):
Well they've got a good thing going as it is. They should be a force in the East this coming season. Assuming the trade with NO goes through.

true...it will be interesting to see how the East comes out this year..
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Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
true...it will be interesting to see how the East comes out this year..

Well it looks like Detroit lost it's edge now (and it's not just Big Ben leaving), too bad, I liked them. Sheed's career being on the downside is another important factor IMO. They are still one of the top teams, but another title is not in their future...


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Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
LeBron

Who?

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Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 30):
Well it looks like Detroit lost it's edge now (and it's not just Big Ben leaving), too bad, I liked them. Sheed's career being on the downside is another important factor IMO. They are still one of the top teams, but another title is not in their future...

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Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
No title for Detroit this time around.. no

I was really hoping for them to take it this year but oh well... they're done. But anyways, the east is pretty open, everything considered. I mean there's MIA and DET (still) at the top, but everybody else can fall pretty much anywhere... CLE, CHI, IND, NJN, WAS. Not to mention such potential surprises as ORL, PHI, BOS, and maybe the Knicks!  Wink

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RE: Sorry NYC, L.A., Chitown: LeBron Staying In CTown

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:10 am

I think LeBron's decision proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is a genuinely caring and faithful man. If he was all about the money and the championships and not genuinely concerned with his family, the community, the fans and the team, he would have been out of here like a bat out of hell.

I don't call him "King James" like others, but I respect him for his kindness and generosity. This just proves it.


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Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:19 am

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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
LeBron

Who?

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