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Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:49 am

Sorry folks, the other thread on Zidane was taking too long to load and I wanted to just narrow my World Cup comments to the Zidane/Materazzi incident. By now I am sure most of you all have heard that FIFA will launch a formal investigation into the Zidane incident, and according to the "Free" encyclopedia Wikipedia, Italy "could" lose their World Cup trophy!

Quite frankly, it's obvious that Italian soccer heading into the World Cup was in disarray for their confirmed illicit fixing of the top teams, and it would only be ironic poetic justice for FIFA to show they are serious against racism and take the trophy away from Italy. We all know that Materazzi slurred Zidane, he even admits it himself - but of course the debate will be was it racist or not and to what level of severity will FIFA actually levy?

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FIFA investigation
On July 11, 2006, FIFA declared its intent to officially investigate the incident with Zidane. An Amendment regarding discrimination to Art. 55, Par. 4 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code stipulates that "if any player, official or spectator publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a defamatory manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other discriminatory and/or contemptuous act" and can be attributed to a certain team, the team in question faces deduction of points in the group stage resp. disqualification in the knockout stage.

The new provisions had been adopted on 28 March 2006 and may lead to the FIFA Executive Committee imposing harsh sanctions and even disallowing Italy's team the World Cup victory if Materazzi is convicted of having insulted Zidane with racial slurs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Materazzi

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"I did insult him, it's true," Materazzi said in Tuesday's Gazzetta dello Sport. "But I categorically did not call him a terrorist. I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373723&cc=5901

So what does this say about Materazzi? A) he's guilty of insulting Zidane and it is evident that it must have been severe enough to Zidane that it resulted in him head butting him. Remember folks, racism isn't about what you think a word might mean to someone else, it's what it means to those who hear it. B) It also proves that either Materazzi is incredibly stupid (which I don't think is the case) or he is obviously dodging the truth (like a coward) by trying to assert that he has no idea as to what an Islamic terrorist is. Italy is one of the United States strongest European allies on the War on Terror - I'm going to go out on a limb here and call Materazzi on this - that's bullsh!t buddy.

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He added: 'For me the mother is sacred, you know that.'

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373731&cc=5901

Even Materazzi acknowledges that there are of course boundaries when it comes to taunting and insulting on the pitch.

You have to ponder this - FIFA made significant attempts to curb racism in this latest World Cup yet when it came down to the final match, it seemed to be all to no avail. So what better way would FIFA have than to disqualify Italy and their style of play from the World Cup victory and blame it on racism? Do you think that might just be large enough to get people's attention on the issue?

Think about it - most people would probably generally still regard Italy as the champion anyways and the game is in the past - but FIFA has to be concerned about what it can do for the future of the game. While perhaps technically Italy would have the Cup title revoked for an ailment (racism) that we all know to be detriment to the vitality of the game and for that - what better way for FIFA to forever lay down the law for all to see and abide by for the future on out.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is.

Well, I knew that soccer players are not the brightest people, but this is hilarious.

It might even be true.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:23 am

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Interesting that that part about FIFA investigation from above has in the last hour since been removed and the above disclaimer above now shown on the page; all it says now is that FIFA will investigate the incident. Who knows, but the premise of what Materazzi doing to Zidane remains the same - it was wrong and it should be intolerable when you play INTERNATIONALLY with people of varying religions, customers, and languages.
 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
Remember folks, racism isn't about what you think a word might mean to someone else, it's what it means to those who hear it.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


People call out "racism" way too much these days, and need to stop crying about it. It creates a crying wolf effect for when there really is racism.

There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:36 am

It is too bad that instead of the head butt, Zinane wasn't able to bring to the attention of a field offical of the beheavor of Materazzi so Materazzi could be red carded right then. Clearly Materazzi's slurs to Zinane were against the FIFA rules and he should have been penalized. Still, it was proper to red card Zinane for his stupid and irresponsible actions on the field. Maybe they should have red carded Materazz too. In American Football, if two players attack each other after the play is over and on or off the field, both could be suspended from the rest of that game or a future game.
 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Clearly Materazzi's slurs to Zinane were against the FIFA rules and he should have been penalized.

You can't get red carded for something the official didn't see or hear, can you?

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):

There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved.

I'm completely with Monty (QANTAS077) If you start calling someone a terrorist or make racist remarks about them or their family. Expect to be eating through a straw for quite a number of days. I say strip Italy of their trophy. Show the world that NO ONE is exempt from FIFA rules on Racism.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:44 am

Even if Materazzi did use a racist taunt against Zidane, I can't see FIFA taking the World Cup away from Italy. The absolute maximum I can see them doing is handing Materazzi a 3-5 match ban and possibly taking away his winner's medal.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:44 am

IF you were in Zidanes position.Would you complain to the Official when you can't prove Anything.I know the Reaction of Zid was Wrong.But I think I would have done the same this if I had heard some Verbal Raicist abuses against self or Family.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:51 am

BBC Radio Five Live asked for help from a deaf lip reader, Jessica Rees, who read the words phonetically to an Italian translator.

She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore" - a translation also carried by many national newspapers in Britain on Tuesday.

The BBC's Ten O'Clock News also called in experts to study the television footage of the incident and determined the following:

Materazzi's first word to Zidane was "no" before he then told him to "calm down".

He then accused him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family" on the day the Frenchman's mother had been taken to hospital ill. This was followed by "Go f*** yourself".

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:25 am

no one can ever prove what he said!

Zidane can tell everyone if he wants, but it'll make no difference!

how do we know that Zidane isn't just trying to make it sound like he had reason to do what he did!

i'm sorry but a few dodgy lip readers cant prove anything!
 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 9):

I read that earlier and my first thought was 'So its true, you cant get two experts to agree on something'.

At the moment theres at least 5 or 6 different 'translations' of what was said floating around, all done by lipreading experts - if they cant agree on what was said, can any one of them be relied upon?

The words exchanged were between two people, the violence exchanged was for the whole world to see. Whatever Mazeratti said, violence is never the answer.
 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incide

Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Whatever Mazeratti said, violence is never the answer.

Again, i reccomend a cold shower... wake up and get into the REAL world...
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:44 am

It seems that some people never left 3rd grade and can't handle name calling and trash talking. We will never know what he said to Zidane, but we all know what Zidane did.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Whatever Mazeratti said, violence is never the answer.

Correct.

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 12):
Again, i reccomend a cold shower... wake up and get into the REAL world...

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
People call out "racism" way too much these days, and need to stop crying about it. It creates a crying wolf effect for when there really is racism.

There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved.

Finally somebody making some sense.

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
and according to the "Free" encyclopedia Wikipedia, Italy "could" lose their World Cup trophy!

Oh yea, that may happen.  sarcastic 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:01 am

lol, now they will take the cup from Italy?? this is getting out of hand.
If Maerazzi gets suspended, fine, but then I want to investigate every game in the last 10 years if there have been some insults between players.
And if they take the cup from us, I'm pretty sure France won't want to be undeserved winners.
Materazzi is an a$$, he has always been,. but this time Zizou failed more than Materazzi. Investigate all you want, keep on reading lips, do whatever you want, but nothing changes the fact that Zidane did not react as you would expect from a player of his category, and that Italy won the Cup.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incide

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
but then I want to investigate every game in the last 10 years if there have been some insults between players.

Exactly. The only reason this is getting so much attention is because of the caliber of player Zidane was.

As a wrestler on a mostly white team in high school, you should have heard some of the messed up stuff I heard when we played some of the mostly black and hispanic teams in places like Rahway and Newark. Some fucked up stuff I heard on the mat, but you have to be the bigger man and shrug it off. I have felt like getting up and beating the shit out of the guy I was against sometimes, but I had restraint. I didn't want to get DQd and hurt the team.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 14):
Away he goes



I can handle comments made against me or whoever i know once or twice, however if continually pushed i take physical action. I dont care who you are, keep pushing me and eventually i'll flip....
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:10 am

Eto'o recieves racist taunts from fand and players week in week out in spain.....what does he do? headbutts people? no he walks off the pitch (or trys to anyway)
 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 18):
I dont care who you are, keep pushing me and eventually i'll flip....

Yes, I will too. But if you are the French soccer captain in the WC final, you must think, and say to yourself, "What are the consequences if I knock this guy out?" He obviously didn't, and payed the price.

Two guys insulting each others mommas' on some corner street and getting in a fight is not the same as a soccer pitch in front of billions.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
and according to the "Free" encyclopedia Wikipedia

Awful source. When are people going to stop relying on it?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
People call out "racism" way too much these days

Gee, I wonder why YOU would say that?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved

There is a point where trash talking crosses the line. Even FIFA recognizes that. If only people like you would.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
You can't get red carded for something the official didn't see

Actually, that is true and it means Zidane technically shouldn't have been red carded. FIFA does not use instant replay and the red card only came after one of the side officials saw the replay in the stadium, which Marcello Balboa correctly suggested should have never been shown in Olympiastadion.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13):
It seems that some people never left 3rd grade and can't handle name calling and trash talking.

Again, get over yourself. Hurling disgustingly racist remarks is not mere trash talking.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 17):
As a wrestler on a mostly white team in high school, you should have heard some of the messed up stuff I heard when we played some of the mostly black and hispanic teams in places like Rahway and Newark.

And I am sure you said a bit of it too.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Gee, I wonder why YOU would say that?

Because YOU probably think I'm racist.  rotfl 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
There is a point where trash talking crosses the line. Even FIFA recognizes that. If only people like you would.

Yes, but we don't what he said, and no matter what he said, Zidane overreacted.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Actually, that is true and it means Zidane technically shouldn't have been red carded.

Technically, no, but the fact that he did, I don't have much sympathy for him.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Again, get over yourself

Uh huh, right.  rotfl 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
And I am sure you said a bit of it too.

Trashtalking? Yep, tons of it.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
FIFA does not use instant replay and the red card only came after one of the side officials saw the replay in the stadium

AFAIK it was never shown in the stadium and that's why the crwod booed at the ref after the incident. In any case FIFA claimed that TV was no used in the decision to kick Zizou out, so there's not much that can said regarding this.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 23):
AFAIK it was never shown in the stadium and that's why the crwod booed at the ref after the incident.

The US commentators were saying that the replay was in fact shown on the screen before the red card was handed out. Then again, the US commentators are also dumbasses.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 24):
Then again, the US commentators are also dumbasses.

Actually, the team they had in Berlin was the best US team out there. They made sure not to have those idiots Harkes and Dellacamera calling the game. Marcello Balboa actually did a very good job during the whole cup and was the one who pointed out that it was shown on the screen.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
There is a point where trash talking crosses the line. Even FIFA recognizes that. If only people like you would

I agree and I can say with a lot of certainty that in the event that a black player in any of the professional sports was called the N-word he would probably act much worse than Zidane did and the consequences for the person who said it would probably be much worse as I could see someone who is a fan of the other team would try and mess him up.

This doesn't justify what Zidane did but eventually all people will snap when being insulted or trash-talked no matter how thick skinned your are which is why this crap really needs to be eliminated.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):

Actually, the team they had in Berlin was the best US team out there. They made sure not to have those idiots Harkes and Dellacamera calling the game. Marcello Balboa actually did a very good job during the whole cup and was the one who pointed out that it was shown on the screen.

Didn't watch enough to differentiate the different teams, but I was speaking of the whole WC contingent as a whole.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 26):
This doesn't justify what Zidane did but eventually all people will snap when being insulted or trash-talked no matter how thick skinned your are which is why this crap really needs to be eliminated.

I wonder how much you would defend a police officer who batons a suspect for giving him lip. Considering the lip they get, every arrest would be taken to the ICU for screening instead of central booking.

It's their job to shrug it, and so is it the job of proffesional sports stars.

No excuse, no matter what is said unless it's a direct threat to that persons immediate safety. You don't snap, you don't lose it, you don't even let it effect you at all.

It's called professionalism.

It was a sorry display on the pitch.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 12):
Again, i reccomend a cold shower... wake up and get into the REAL world...

Can I come over there and headbutt you for that?

The only time violence is acceptable is in self defence - words are never enough provocation to justify hitting someone. The sooner people like you realise that, the better.

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 18):
I can handle comments made against me or whoever i know once or twice, however if continually pushed i take physical action. I dont care who you are, keep pushing me and eventually i'll flip....

Everyone does have a limit, but people are using Mazerattis provocation to EXCUSE Zidane - and thats the thing I take issue with. Violence is never an acceptable course of action unless your physical wellbeing is in doubt.

Can you see the police accepting 'he called me and my mum names, so I hit him'? Would you?
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 14):
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Whatever Mazeratti said, violence is never the answer.

Correct.

Not so sure - Zidane should have waited until their pathes crossed again - 'the parking lot'. One must take a stand.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
While perhaps technically Italy would have the Cup title revoked for an ailment (racism) that we all know to be detriment to the vitality of the game and for that - what better way for FIFA to forever lay down the law for all to see and abide by for the future on out.

Yeah, what a way for FIFA to give examples for future generations - award the best player award to someone who almost killed an opponent on field in the WC final

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if FIFA indeed stripped Italy out of its title. They have a track record of going out of their way to help France.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 2):
Who knows, but the premise of what Materazzi doing to Zidane remains the same - it was wrong and it should be intolerable when you play INTERNATIONALLY with people of varying religions, customers, and languages.

If we are going to ban trash-talking, maybe Bhutan will be the next World Champions.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 20):
But if you are the French soccer captain in the WC final, you must think, and say to yourself, "What are the consequences if I knock this guy out?"

It was as premeditated an assault as I have ever seen on a football field. It wasn't a "spur of the moment" thing - he had at least a full five seconds between the time he first thought of headbutting Materazzi and the time he actually rammed him. Lots of time for him to think it better.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved.

the way a sportsman handles the situation is to let it ride, take it out on the playing field and if there's anything left afterward you didn't work hard enough on the field...in which case you go meet the offender at the locker room postmatch.

Zidane had zero excuse for such a violent reaction, knowing the penalties. If the French side decide to forgive him they must be ready to place his personal honor above the team goals. Trash talking is asinine and used by players in all sports to try and gain some sort of edge. When you take their talk personally and get mad at them to the point you hurt your own team they've won and validated their use of that tactic. It's like political attack ads...everyone hates it when it's done to them, but they don't notice it when it's done to the other side.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 30):

Not so sure - Zidane should have waited until their pathes crossed again - 'the parking lot'. One must take a stand.

Fine, do that on your own time, but to put the whole team's chances in jeopardy is completely selfish.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 28):
I wonder how much you would defend a police officer who batons a suspect for giving him lip. Considering the lip they get, every arrest would be taken to the ICU for screening instead of central booking.

I'm not defending Zidane, what he did was wrong and he was punished by the ref by doing something that isn't allowed in soccer and if he wasn't retiring he would probably be suspended and rightly so. Materazzi has the right to file assult charges if he would like to and he could get Zidane for it which was his right to do it.

I think that Materazzi has to be punished by FIFA as well for intentially provoking Zidane by serving a suspension as well to make an example of him so that racist remarks in soccer can be reduced.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 28):
You don't snap, you don't lose it, you don't even let it effect you at all.

It is their job to shrug it off but cops snap and lose it. Maybe not the ones on A.net but I'm sure people like ANC know of fellow cops that have gone over the line with a suspect and hopefully have been disciplined for it.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 34):
It is their job to shrug it off but cops snap and lose it.

Some do, and no one (rightfully so) ever says anything about how they can only take so much.

If you can't take it, don't put yourself in a position that you are going to have to. Both of these careers have to.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 34):
I think that Materazzi has to be punished by FIFA as well for intentially provoking Zidane

That's BS. "Provoking" someone is not against the rules. If it was, you would see hundreds of suspensions left and right. As for the racism, we don't know what he said for sure, therefore you can't punish him for it. And punishing someone for lipreading what he said on a replay sets a poor precedent.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 34):
It is their job to shrug it off but cops snap and lose it.

And when they do, they usually get punished, and go to jail if it is that bad. Just because people do it does not mean it's an excuse for it to go on.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 36):
That's BS. "Provoking" someone is not against the rules. If it was, you would see hundreds of suspensions left and right. As for the racism, we don't know what he said for sure, therefore you can't punish him for it. And punishing someone for lipreading what he said on a replay sets a poor precedent.

This is why its being investigated and hopefully good will come out of it and the contreversy with this paticular issue is taken care of for Euro 2008 and the 2010 World Cup.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 31):
award the best player award to someone who almost killed an opponent on field in the WC final

if he was nearly killed he'd still be in hospital...

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 31):
It was as premeditated an assault as I have ever seen on a football field. It wasn't a "spur of the moment" thing - he had at least a full five seconds between the time he first thought of headbutting Materazzi and the time he actually rammed him. Lots of time for him to think it better.

not spur of the moment? one minute Materazzi is yapping in his ear, less then 5 seconds later he's on the ground...i'd call that pretty much spur of the moment. Premeditated if he'd come back 5 mins later and given him the headbutt, but within seconds on the taunts occuring he's on the ground...not sure which school of law you went to.
 
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 38):

not spur of the moment? one minute Materazzi is yapping in his ear, less then 5 seconds later he's on the ground...i'd call that pretty much spur of the moment. Premeditated if he'd come back 5 mins later and given him the headbutt, but within seconds on the taunts occuring he's on the ground...not sure which school of law you went to.

Who cares? He still attacked another player, simple as that.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incide

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 29):

Can I come over there and headbutt you for that?

If i were to call you a ***** *** ***** *** ***** ******* ***** *** *** **** **** (Sensored becuse i'd be banned longer than mendis for it). Then feel free to try...

The only people who say "Violence is never the answer, just walk away" are the people who find themselves at the bottom of the food chain. The only way to stop the lowest of the low from making racist comments and the such is to speak their language and kick the living sh*t out of them. Why do we use electric prods to control cattle... they're too stupid to understand words and force is the only language they understand. Same with people of Materazzi's calibre... A kick in the pants is all they understand...
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 38):
if he was nearly killed he'd still be in hospital...

I'm the same height as Zidane and I don't even think I would be knocked down considering that headbutt as he didn't even run at him. Had Materazzi been killed it would have been a freak accident like that kid who was killed by a puck at an NHL game a few years back.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 27):
Didn't watch enough to differentiate the different teams, but I was speaking of the whole WC contingent as a whole

Harkes and Dellacamera really gave a good contingent a bad name.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
according to the "Free" encyclopedia Wikipedia, Italy "could" lose their World Cup trophy!

Who would it go to? France didn´t win the game. And it´s not like it was clear that France would have won had Zidane been around in penalties - assuming he had made the kick instead of Trezeguet missing, it still would have ended up even, and there would have had to be more penalties. Had the entire Italian team was on steroids or something, then you could have made a convincing argument for giving the trophy to France. And you can´t not give it to anyone. So let Italy keep it, and find out what Materazzi said and expose it. That´ll be justice enough. Especially since Zidane is not a blameless party.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
You can't get red carded for something the official didn't see or hear, can you?

Which brings up the point that the officials reportedly never saw the play live. So technically Zidane shouldn´t have gotten the red card either (not that I´m complaining about that, as he did deserve it).

FIFA may say that the refs never looked at the stadium board replay, but I think that´s just FIFA trying to cover FIFA´s ass.

As far as Materazzi not knowing what an Islamic terrorist is, I´m going to go way out on a limb and call BS on that. As far as him saying the mother is sacred, I´m going to call BS on that as well.

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
So what better way would FIFA have than to disqualify Italy and their style of play from the World Cup victory and blame it on racism?

If they really wanted to drop the hammer, they would bar Italy from the next World Cup. But remember that this whole incident would never have happened if Zidane had just let it slide (he could always have held up the trophy in Materazzi´s face - that would have been sweet revenge), which is why punishing this Italian team is unfair. As a whole. Materazzi is absolutely fair game. But there are at least some decent players on there (Buffon for one) who deserve the championship.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 24):
The US commentators were saying that the replay was in fact shown on the screen before the red card was handed out. Then again, the US commentators are also dumbasses.

In Argentina the commentators repeated several times that it was not shown on the screens. they were very interested in all this since the ref is Argentino.

Quoting Mir (Reply 43):
If they really wanted to drop the hammer, they would bar Italy from the next World Cup.

Nah, maybe ban the player, but the team should no way recieve such a punishment. If not France should get banned as well, or Spain because of the problems during a Spain vs. Enlgand game.

Besides, if Materazzi gets banned, the Italian FA should request FIFA to investigate evry single game played by Italy to see if any opponent also insulted an Italian player.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 44):
In Argentina the commentators repeated several times that it was not shown on the screens.

On the US broadcast you could hear the crowd going "oooooh" when they showed the replay of the indicent, which came directly from the stadium feed. It was also after that that the decision was made on the red card, as it looked like nothing was going to happen before that.
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 44):
but the team should no way recieve such a punishment.

I don´t think so either, but it would be better than taking away their victory if FIFA really wanted to make a statement.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incide

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
lol, now they will take the cup from Italy?? this is getting out of hand.
If Maerazzi gets suspended, fine, but then I want to investigate every game in the last 10 years if there have been some insults between players.
And if they take the cup from us, I'm pretty sure France won't want to be undeserved winners.
Materazzi is an a$$, he has always been,. but this time Zizou failed more than Materazzi. Investigate all you want, keep on reading lips, do whatever you want, but nothing changes the fact that Zidane did not react as you would expect from a player of his category, and that Italy won the Cup.



If FIFA strip Italy of their (deserved) title they will be punishing the rest of the Italian team, who played fair and well, and, indirectly, the Italians as a whole- which wouln't be fair. It may look like FIFA is labeling the Italian people as racist.

Who knows how many racial slurs go unnoticed because players and referees don't speak the same language. . .

FIFA cannot intervene that much.

They (FIFA) have been pushing that anti-racism slogan, so they must make an investigation into the accusations and act accordingly- but punishment should be targeted at the accused, not the entire team. And Zidane should NOT be excused from the red card regardless of the findings. People will make the final judgement about Zidane by themselves.

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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incident..

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:28 am

let's see what happens!
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RE: Fifa Launches Investigation Into Zidane Incide

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:33 am

simpler solution. . .



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