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Update From The Middle East

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:01 pm

I realize there are several threads on this already but I wanted to post a few important updates and hope the discussion will continue here. This post is meant to be a general update on what is happening.

Israel Air Force planes struck a bridge in the southern suburb of Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, and the fuel stores of the Jiyyeh power plant south of the city early on Friday, witnesses and security sources said.

Israeli officials have said that south Beirut, a densely populated neighborhood of Shi'ite Muslims where Hezbollah has its political headquarters, could be targeted. Leaflets dropped in the evening warned people to stay away from Hezbollah offices.

The Israeli Navy continues to blockade the Lebanese coast; as we all know BEY is out of operation for the immediate future. There has been talk of a Marine airlift to rescue the estimated 25,000 Americans stranded in Lebanon.

In other news, the United States blocked a resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first United Nations Security Council veto in nearly two years. The U.S. was alone in voting against the resolution. "It placed demands on one side in the Middle East conflict but not the other," Bolton said. "This draft resolution would have exacerbated tensions in the region." President Bush also proclaimed that "Israel has the right to defend herself.”

And finally, some statements by Israeli leaders. Israeli Defense Forces Chief-of-staff Dan Halutz has warned that if the soldiers are not returned, the IDF would target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years."

The former head of Shin Bet (the Israeli FBI) and current Interor Security minister warned that if Hezbollah fires more rockets at Israel and makes life miserable there, that Israel will make life in Lebanon "hell".

**I forgot to add that many American commentators and analysts are deeply concerned that this is really a Syrian-Iranian plot to stir up tensions and get the attention away from the Iranian nuclear issue. It is being framed in the media as Iran-Syria using its Lebanese proxies to strike Israel, an American proxy**

And some photos:

Caption: Fuel tanks burning at the Beirut international airport after it was attacked by IAF aircraft on Thursday


I think it's worth noting that an Israeli Arab soldier was one of those killed in battle in Lebanon. This is a photo of his funeral at a Druze village in Israel.



Lebanese army officers inspect the damage on a bridge that was destroyed after IAF warplanes targeted it overnight south of Beirut, Lebanon.


An IDF artillery unit fires into southern Lebanon from northern Israel.


IAF pilots in the cockpit, as they are about to take off for a mission in Lebanon.


Commander of IAF:IAF F-15Is, F-16s, Apache helicopters, and other surveillance aircraft are participating in Operation Just Reward against Lebanon.

[Edited 2006-07-14 07:12:31]
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
And finally, some statements by Israeli leaders. Israeli Defense Forces Chief-of-staff Dan Halutz has warned that if the soldiers are not returned, the IDF would target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years."

The former head of Shin Bet (the Israeli FBI) and current Interor Security minister warned that if Hezbollah fires more rockets at Israel and makes life miserable there, that Israel will make life in Lebanon "hell".

For me those two statements shows that Israel doesn't really care about the average citizens of Lebanon.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 1):
For me those two statements shows that Israel doesn't really care about the average citizens of Lebanon.

You think Lebanon cares about the average citizens of Israel? You think they are concerned about Israeli citizens when they watch rockets being shot into Haifa?

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Leaflets dropped in the evening warned people to stay away from Hezbollah offices.

Seems they might care about keeping as much as the civilians alive as possible - but whenever acts of war escalate such as this, civilians on both sides are going to suffer greatly. That is an unfortunate fact.




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[Edited 2006-07-14 07:30:22]
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:29 pm

More updates:

According to CNN, Israel permitted several MEA aircraft to depart before attacking the patched-up runways again. Meanwhile Hezbollah rockets continue to be launched across the border at Israel.

Also, the IDF is planning to bomb Hezbollah headquarters in a densely populated area of south Beirut on Friday, according to a senior General Staff official in Haaretz.

The IDF said it has dropped leaflets warning civilians of the impending attack and that many of them have left the Shi'ite Dahiya quarter of south Beirut, where thousands of people live in multi-story residential buildings.

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 1):
For me those two statements shows that Israel doesn't really care about the average citizens of Lebanon

See NWA742's post and above.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:49 pm

updates to the hour

The EU says it is concerned Israel's offensive in Lebanon may spread, drawing Syria into the fighting.
. Israel bombs Beirut airport for 3rd time in 24 hours.
. Israeli ships impose a sea blockade on the port of the northern city of Tripoli.
. Israeli Foreign Minister threatened to attack Syria, reports said.
. Power cut off throughout Beirut after a main power line stopped functioning.
. An Israeli cabinet minister threatened to eliminate Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah.
. Israeli warplanes struck the base of the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) in Qussaya, less than two kilometers from the border with Syria.
. Israeli air raids on Beirut’s southern suburbs, where Hezbollah has its strongholds, killed three people and wounded 55 overnight.
. Overnight air strikes blew up a fuel storage tank at Beirut airport and another fuel tank at the Jiyeh power plant south of the capital.
. Israel war planes bombed the Damascus Beirut highway near the town of Dahr-el-Baidar, east of Beirut, cutting land traffic between the two Arab capitals.
. Israeli war planes also struck in the morning the mountain top at Dahr el-Baidar just off the Beirut-Damascus highway


Israel will now receive more free arms from the United States, thanks to the ongoing deal that has been in effect ever since Israel was created...and the American taxpayers will again have to foot this bill.
. Hezbollah will receive more funding from Iran and the "state within a state" affair will continue. Iran is flush with cash thanks to the high oil prices.
. Syria will come out smelling like a rose. Their economy will again prosper as tourists will be diverted from Beirut to Damascus.

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RE: Update From The Middle East

Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
I forgot to add that many American commentators and analysts are deeply concerned that this is really a Syrian-Iranian plot to stir up tensions and get the attention away from the Iranian nuclear issue

Other commentators have a slightly different take on Iran's involvement. They believe that Iran is orchestrating Hezbollah's offensive not so much to divert attention from the nuclear issue, but rather as a way of establishing itself as a regional power to be taken seriously:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc...ives/individual/2006_07/009172.php

I'm not sure I would go quite so far as to say that Iran ordered the attacks, for whatever motivation, but clearly Iran will have to become involved in any sort of settlement.

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
The former head of Shin Bet (the Israeli FBI) and current Interor Security minister warned that if Hezbollah fires more rockets at Israel and makes life miserable there, that Israel will make life in Lebanon "hell".

Now that's going way too far. The Lebanese government has at best very limited control over Hezbollah's forces.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 5):
They believe that Iran is orchestrating Hezbollah's offensive not so much to divert attention from the nuclear issue, but rather as a way of establishing itself as a regional power to be taken seriously:

CNN just reported that the missiles that hit Haifa yesterday were made in and supplied by Iran.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
And finally, some statements by Israeli leaders. Israeli Defense Forces Chief-of-staff Dan Halutz has warned that if the soldiers are not returned, the IDF would target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years."

Way out of proportion and despicable. Absolutely despicable.

I support Israel's right to exist, but not this.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 6):
CNN just reported that the missiles that hit Haifa yesterday were made in and supplied by Iran.

Wow, there go the oil prices and regional stability.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:44 am

i think Iran got the capacity to send missiles direct from Iran to Israel. so if Israel blocked all means to get arms into lebanon, they better think twice
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Soups (Reply 9):
i think Iran got the capacity to send missiles direct from Iran to Israel. so if Israel blocked all means to get arms into lebanon, they better think twice

If Iran did this, I would expect a huge escalation of the current situation. I don't think anybody really wants that, do they?

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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:52 am

I had the intention to stay out of all Israel/Lebanon/Middle East topics on here.

That all changed when I read this:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
And finally, some statements by Israeli leaders. Israeli Defense Forces Chief-of-staff Dan Halutz has warned that if the soldiers are not returned, the IDF would target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years."

Innocent Lebanese people shouldn't have to pay the price for Hezbollah's actions. Lebanon has worked very hard to restore everything and saying they are going to "turn back the clock" is a terrible thing to say.

For those of you who don't know what Beirut looked like here are pictures:
Before:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1256/page130131a0ga.jpg

After:
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Before:
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After:
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Before:
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After:
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Before:
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After:
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They must expect to do a lot of damage... Sad

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
Israel will now receive more free arms from the United States, thanks to the ongoing deal that has been in effect ever since Israel was created...and the American taxpayers will again have to foot this bill.

That is so ridiculous. They should pay for it themselves that deal should have ended a long time ago.
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 6):
CNN just reported that the missiles that hit Haifa yesterday were made in and supplied by Iran

Not exactly. The two rounds were just crudly upgraded Soviet made 122mm artillery rockets. Reminiscent of what the Iraqis did to their Scuds before 1991. Although the rockets could have been reworked in Iran, this could have been done in Lebanon itself too. Iran actually does manufacture rather large and powerful artillery rockets that would suit the Hezbollah quite well, but there hasn't been sign of them being used on Israel yet.


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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:36 am

More updates:

Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah vowed Friday to strike Israeli targets south of Haifa, after an Israel Air Force attack left the group's headquarters in Beirut in ruins.

Also, the White House said Friday that United States President George W. Bush would not press Israel to halt its military operation in Lebanon.

Asked whether Bush had agreed to a request from Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora that he rein in the Israelis, White House spokesman Tony Snow said: "No. The president is not going to make military decisions for Israel."
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 6):
CNN just reported that the missiles that hit Haifa yesterday were made in and supplied by Iran

It has just been reported that the missiles that have hit Beirut over the last 24 hours, that have caused 70 civillian Lebanese deaths SO FAR, were made in and supplied by America (at the cost of the American tax payer)
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 14):
It has just been reported that the missiles that have hit Beirut over the last 24 hours, that have caused 70 civillian Lebanese deaths SO FAR, were made in and supplied by America (at the cost of the American tax payer)

I'm very happy to see my taxpayers being spent towards defeating the forces of Islamic terrorism in the Middle East.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
More updates:

Let's make this balanced. Bush also said:

"The concern is that any activities by Israel to protect herself will weaken that government ... or topple that government. And we've made it clear in our discussions."

There's obvious concern within the White House that this action could go too far.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Let's make this balanced. Bush also said:

"The concern is that any activities by Israel to protect herself will weaken that government ... or topple that government. And we've made it clear in our discussions."

Sure, but there was a lot of hope in some quarters that Bush would intervene to reign in Israel. That apparantly was ruled out today.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
srael Air Force planes struck a bridge in the southern suburb of Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold

but they also struck a bridge of the highway to Beirut-downtown. And the highway is NOT "a Hizbullah stronghold". Any such statement is complete and utter nonsense

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
the United States blocked a resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first United Nations Security Council veto in nearly two years.

the USA have become accomplice to aggression and warcrime

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
. Israeli Foreign Minister threatened to attack Syria, reports said.

the warmongers are driving towards further wars. And gradually are breaking the smallprint in the peace-accords with Egypt and Jordan.

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 11):
Israeli Defense Forces Chief-of-staff Dan Halutz has warned that if the soldiers are not returned, the IDF would target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years."

the man should be hanged and quartered. or is it the other way round ?

Quoting LY744 (Reply 12):
just crudly upgraded Soviet made 122mm artillery rockets. Reminiscent of what the Iraqis did to their Scuds before 1991.

the whole thing does NOT look so "crude" by an artilleristic viewpoint. And another thing. I thought that Israeli army units had crossed into Lebanon. How then is it possibly that the thugs of Hizbullah still can do such things ?
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
Sure, but there was a lot of hope in some quarters that Bush would intervene to reign in Israel.

It certainly wasn't me. I fully support the right of Israel to take out targets, and defend herself, but not to destroy Lebanon.

It's unfair to say that Bush has issued a hands-off policy in regards to this conflict, when he actually said something closer to "tread, but tread lightly and carefully".
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
the whole thing does NOT look so "crude" by an artilleristic viewpoint. And another thing. I thought that Israeli army units had crossed into Lebanon. How then is it possibly that the thugs of Hizbullah still can do such things ?

I'm under the impression that ground forces are basically still mostly on Israeli territory, I'm not seeing any indication of significant ground incursions into southern Lebanon since the original incident.


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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 20):
I'm not seeing any indication of significant ground incursions into southern Lebanon since the original incident.

which is astonishing, as Southern Lebanon south of the Litani River is the area where Hizbullah is. And to say that the Hizbullah folks use the "official" Beirut-Damascus road is perfectly ridiculous. I have my differences with you and your folks, but I have no doubt about the point that those in charge in Jerusalem are intelligent, so quite honestly, do your folks and the Bushites play dirty games with all of us ?
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
I have my differences with you and your folks, but I have no doubt about the point that those in charge in Jerusalem are intelligent, so quite honestly, do your folks and the Bushites play dirty games with all of us ?

My folks? I have differences with my parents too!  Silly But seriously, "my folk"? I think you're jumping to conclusions here. Consider me a humble correspondent, I bring information, and sometimes a point of view, which often comes accross as one different than my own. Oh well. At any rate, I'm no decision maker, and I certainly have no reason to jock any particular political group.

As for what goes through the minds of the people in Jerusalem: you have to keep in mind that every war is always about politics. And politics is always dirty. So it's safe to say that whenever a shell goes off in anger, there is, at least partially, some kind of dirty game behind it.


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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 22):
politics is always dirty.

exactly! the Israelis maybe are just paving the way for the USA-government to launch a war against Iran. Suppose I start filling "emptied" bottle with petrol. Just have a problem with some decent storage for the stuff. Or ask the garage to change my car to run on CocaCola !!!!
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Soups (Reply 9):
i think Iran got the capacity to send missiles direct from Iran to Israel. so if Israel blocked all means to get arms into lebanon, they better think twice

It's Iran that better think twice. If they bomb Israel directly, don't be surprised if the Israeli Air Force-or the U.S. Navy and Air Force, pays a visit to some sites in Iran.

Quoting Raffik (Reply 14):
It has just been reported that the missiles that have hit Beirut over the last 24 hours, that have caused 70 civillian Lebanese deaths SO FAR, were made in and supplied by America (at the cost of the American tax payer)

One difference: Iran is sending it's weapons to a known terrorist group. The U.S. is sending weapons to a 60-year old ally and soverign nation.

But again, you don't even acknowledge the terrorism against Israel, so what do you care.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:58 am

People tend to forget Operation Summerrain that are runing for the 3rd week now, +30 Palestinians killed tonight, several buildings flattened. Few rockets have been launched from Gaza, but I don´t know how long until no more rockets are launched from there, Egyptians opened the border, so I don´t know if there´s a refill of rockets from there?
As an indication how long Operation Just Reward will last when you compare the damage Lebanese are doing compared with Gaza, I say operation will last
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:29 am

I have heard on the news that an Israeli ship was hit, sinking and on fire returning to Israel after being dive bombed by an unmanned aircraft? Can anyone provide any more information?

Please remember that this thread is about providing bulletin style updates to the situations in the Middle East- let's keep the political chit chat neglible?
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:30 am

CNN just reported that Hezbollah militants fired a rocket at an Israeli ship but accidentally hit an Egyptian ship. No word on casualties or the status of the ship.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 27):
I have heard on the news that an Israeli ship was hit, sinking and on fire returning to Israel after being dive bombed by an unmanned aircraft? Can anyone provide any more information?

Yes, it was reported Hezbollah used an unmaned drone-supplied by Iran.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 27):
Please remember that this thread is about providing bulletin style updates to the situations in the Middle East- let's keep the political chit chat neglible?

Agreed. I've requested deletion on some that don't belong here including my own.

Quoting Raffik (Reply 27):
I have heard on the news that an Israeli ship was hit, sinking and on fire returning to Israel after being dive bombed by an unmanned aircraft? Can anyone provide any more information?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0

An explosives-laden drone, apparently launched by Hezbollah, hit an Israel Navy warship off the coast of Beirut, causing serious damage to its steering capability, Israel Defense Forces confirmed Friday night.

The incident occurred at around 8:30 P.M., as the ship was some 16 kilometers from the Lebanese coast. The blast caused a fire close to the helicopter landing pad onboard. The ship's steering mechanism also sustained some damage.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 27):
have heard on the news that an Israeli ship was hit, sinking and on fire returning to Israel after being dive bombed by an unmanned aircraft? Can anyone provide any more information?

Happened about 7-8 hours ago. It was said to have been hit with an unmanned aircraft laden with several dozens kilograms of explosives. The ship was damaged, and is being towed back to an Israeli port. Aljazeera was reporting that 4 Israeli sailors were knocked overboard as a result of the blast, but hours later there is still no confirmation of that. Ship was about 16km from shore (i.e. there is no way it was one of Hezbollah's anti tank missiles, which only go out to a maximum range of 4-6km. Launching those from a boat at sea is very impractical). It's a missile corvette, known as a Sa'ar 5 class in the Israeli Navy. Hezbollah says the ship was firing missiles at Beirut, but I'm not sure how that's possible, as I don't think the Israelis have sea launched Harpoon missiles that can track ground targets. The Harpoon is the only weapon on that ship that can remotely be used against land targets, the other systems on board are either defensive, or torpedoes.


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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:17 pm

News reports have come in that Hizbullah Katyusha rockets have penetrated 35km into Israel- to a town/village called Tiberias. Hizbullah claim to have 30 missiles now able to hit Tel Aviv, but have not launched these out of fear of causing an all out war.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Raffik (Reply 31):
Raffik From Lebanon, joined Feb 2006, 580 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted Sat Jul 15 2006 12:17:58 UTC+2 and read 4 times:

Any update on your dad?
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 32):
Any update on your dad?

The Foreign Office have released an Emergency Help line in London
Tel 00 44 207 008 1500 for the Lebanese Crisis. I have called and my dad has made contact with the embassy, so I know he is Ok. I have been told that all European nationals are to be evacuated when it is safe to cross the border into Syria. This may be on Monday.

More news just in: Israeli jets have bombed a bus carrying Lebanese civillians who are fleeing the Israeli bombing in Southern Israel. Conservative reports are atleast 15 civillians killed.

The roads have been bombed North of Beirut- somewhere between Byblos and Tripoli, further isolating communities

As we speak Israeli bombs are falling on densely populated Shia areas in Southern Beirut.

Link to Bus Attack http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...D4-8012-41CC-89A2-B0A8CE8C01FD.htm

[Edited 2006-07-15 13:44:00]
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
I'm very happy to see my taxpayers being spent towards defeating the forces of Islamic terrorism in the Middle East.

It is sad that you see Islam as a religion of terrorism. But this is not your fault. We are subjected to this everyday accusations by your media as you have already noted. So even if one day all the people in the Arab and Islamic world drop their arms and say... that's it, we don't want anymore of this... you will still call us terrorists and target us until we cease to exist!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
One difference: Iran is sending it's weapons to a known terrorist group. The U.S. is sending weapons to a 60-year old ally and soverign nation.

But again, you don't even acknowledge the terrorism against Israel, so what do you care.

a 60 year old ally and soverign nation that kicked out and occupied the land of the Palestinian people because of the Belfour promise!!! And now they presume to be the victims and peace keepers.... go figure

Quoting Raffik (Reply 33):
More news just in: Israeli jets have bombed a bus carrying Lebanese civillians who are fleeing the Israeli bombing in Southern Israel. Conservative reports are atleast 15 civillians killed.

The roads have been bombed North of Beirut- somewhere between Byblos and Tripoli, further isolating communities

As we speak Israeli bombs are falling on densely populated Shia areas in Southern Beirut.

The number of civilians killed from that village in the South trying to flee is now 23. They killed them as they were trying to escape.... they told them to leave in 2 hours. So when these people ran to the UN, the UN bases told them there is no place for you here... so when they decided to flee their houses, the Israeli Jets killed them... now that so DEFINITELY killing terrorism!!! Waow!!!!

Very Sad........ Israel can do whatever it wants... and no one can do anything... so what ever you say or do.... you will get no where. It's big brother USA will always back it up!!! It helped create it remember...
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 11):
Innocent Lebanese people shouldn't have to pay the price for Hezbollah's actions. Lebanon has worked very hard to restore everything and saying they are going to "turn back the clock" is a terrible thing to say.

Thank you, and thank you for posting pictures of what risks of being destroyed.
I am trying to make a move showing beirut, a thing I wanted to do for a long time, and I'm afraid I waited too long.

About 15 years have passed since the end of the war, most of this time was spent rebuilding the infrastructure and now that we were finally starting to reap the benefits israel comes and destroys everything with it's heavy fist.

Lebanon is not palestine.

This war does not benefit israel. This year in lebanon was supposed to be the year of all the economic records, and a projected GPA growth of 6%. What this would mean is more money channeled to the lebanese army, and in the long term better capacity to control the hezbollah and other terrorist wannabees.

Did you ever ask yourself why the hezbollah started a war that it could not possibly win.. and why now? I do not pretend to know the answer, but one explanation would be that it wanted to deliver an indirect blow to the lebanese state, their biggest potential ennemy, while hezbollah fighters hide underground like cockroaches.

The gouvernement of lebanon is not like that of saddam hussein or syria. Lebanon is a banking and tourism economy, and it has no long term interest whatsoever in war and terrorism, and the cabinet knows that.

I hope one day the hezbollah problem will be eliminated. But in the meantime israel should show just and proportional punishment. How would you like it if you had your face beaten up for approaching the wrong girl? How would you like it if you were hung for stealing? How would you like it if you had your hands cut for speeding?

To go back to the topic, this is where I get my updates - it's the most up to date you can get - but a lot of posts are in arabic:

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/showthread.php?t=18915

[Edited 2006-07-15 14:42:13]
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Raffik (Reply 31):
News reports have come in that Hizbullah Katyusha rockets have penetrated 35km into Israel- to a town/village called Tiberias. Hizbullah claim to have 30 missiles now able to hit Tel Aviv, but have not launched these out of fear of causing an all out war.

There's an outright lie for you. Hezbollah has said it will launch all-out war. Don't make them sound like some caring souls, when they're a bunch of brutal murderers, Raffik.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 35):
Did you ever ask yourself why the hezbollah started a war that it could not possibly win.. and why now? I do not pretend to know the answer, but one explanation would be that it wanted to deliver an indirect blow to the lebanese state, their biggest potential ennemy, while hezbollah fighters hide underground like cockroaches.

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Very powerful reading there!

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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:42 pm

Why isn't Al Manar, the official Hizbullah TV station, bombed yet?
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting CaptainZed (Reply 38):
Why isn't Al Manar, the official Hizbullah TV station, bombed yet?

They were bombed. I dont know how they still manage to broadcast.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 36):
There's an outright lie for you. Hezbollah has said it will launch all-out war. Don't make them sound like some caring souls, when they're a bunch of brutal murderers, Raffik.

This is what the BBC and Sky News have reported- their words, not mine. Whether it is a lie or not, we will have to wait and see.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:01 pm

Foreign Governments Make Plans to Evacuate Nationals from Lebanon


Foreign governments were drawing up contingency plans Saturday to evacuate their nationals from Lebanon as Israel continued its air, sea and artillery attacks against the country for the fourth day.
France, Italy and Sweden followed Britain's lead on Friday in preparing a voluntary evacuation of their citizens, mainly by land to neighboring Syria or by ferry to the Mediterranean island of Cyprus.

The U.S. State Department also said it was working on a plan with the Pentagon to transport Americans to Cyprus, where they can board commercial aircraft for onward travel.

Air travel from Beirut is impossible as the Rafik Hariri International Airport has been shut down since Thursday after Israeli air strikes gouged large craters in the runways.

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has announced that "sea and air facilities, both civilian and military" would be made available for any French nationals who wished to leave Lebanon.

According to the French foreign ministry, there are currently about 14,000 French citizens in Lebanon and an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 French tourists.

Rome said the foreign ministry had already organized with its embassy in Beirut a convoy of 410 Italian citizens and other nationals, mainly from the European Union, heading for Syria.

However an AFP journalist reported that an Israeli bombardment forced the convoy to be delayed at Tripoli, Lebanon's second city located about 90 kilometers north of Beirut.

About 15 buses filled with European nationals were stopped at Tripoli until security conditions allow them to continue on the route to Syria, the AFP journalist said.
In another evacuation by bus of Austrian nationals, Vienna alerted Israel as the vehicle was traveling on roads towards Syria which have been heavily bombed in recent days, Austrian radio reported.

Turkey said a bus carrying 32 Turks, mostly tourists and business people, as well as two French nationals, crossed the Yayladagi border gate between Turkey and Syria on Saturday, the Anatolia news agency reported.

Besides land routes, Italy like France and Sweden are making other arrangements to evacuate their citizens by sea in ferries to Cyprus.
Cyprus as a European Union member said Friday that it was ready to support a joint EU-coordinated mass evacuation of Europeans stranded in Lebanon.

From Damascus, an Olympic Airline plane brought 50 Greeks and other nationals who were living in Lebanon to Athens Saturday, the Greek foreign ministry said, adding that another flight from Damascus was arranged for later in the day.

The mounting violence in the region has also prompted some countries to prepare for an even worse case scenario. France said it was preparing to make available additional helicopters and "eventually a second navy ship with the highly important capacity for hospital services, if that should become necessary," said Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie.(AFP)
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:08 pm

You know what freaks me out...

what is to stop Syria, Iran, Saudi Egypt and other nations that have strong ties with Palestine from attacking Israel....

There have been soldier kidnappings in the past for years...why such a retaliation now at such magnitude? i feel like there is something WAY deeper here...
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 42):
what is to stop Syria, Iran, Saudi Egypt and other nations that have strong ties with Palestine from attacking Israel....

Say it with me.....
Nuclear Fricken Weapons!!!!!!
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:21 pm

Why should they attack Israel? Hizbullah is doing it for them..
This situation suits everybody in the "so-called" arab world.
 
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 42):
There have been soldier kidnappings in the past for years...why such a retaliation now at such magnitude? i feel like there is something WAY deeper here...

http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 45):
http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm

Wow, there is another nice BS piece.

America has 300 million citizens. You think we are dominated by a country of 6 million?.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting CaptainZed (Reply 44):
Why should they attack Israel? Hizbullah is doing it for them..
This situation suits everybody in the "so-called" arab world.

Surprising to hear that from someone inside the Arab world.

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 42):
what is to stop Syria, Iran, Saudi Egypt and other nations that have strong ties with Palestine from attacking Israel....

The threat of intervention from the United States, pure and simple.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 42):
There have been soldier kidnappings in the past for years...why such a retaliation now at such magnitude?

Because we had enough with it.
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RE: Update From The Middle East

Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:04 pm

Israel's startegy here is deterrence. If Hezzbullah's that started this results in significant destruction to Lebanon, maybe next time they won't act, or if they do, the Lebanese people will take action to prevent this from occuring again.

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