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If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:21 pm

I have faith that God exists. It's just that: Faith. Blind faith, really.

But I have an interesting thesis: If God were held to human standards, I think He'd be subject to lawsuits a-plenty. For negligence, if nothing else.

Think about it: God is all-powerful, and yet everywhere, there is evil.

We are God's children, supposedly.

Would you let your children run around with deadly weapons, shooting and killing and harming and maiming each other?

There can be only one solution: If God exists, we cannot know His mysterious ways.

That's pretty damned convenient, if you ask me.
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Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:25 pm

He just likes to take a hands-off role for the moment.
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Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:27 pm

Ease off the green stuff my friend.  Wink
 
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RE: If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 1):
He just likes to take a hands-off role for the moment.

Yes, the "absent watchmaker" thesis. Not sure that that's so reassuring to me.

They say that there are no atheists in foxholes. Yet, it's profoundly sad, to me, that God makes it so tempting to be one.
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
I have faith that God exists. It's just that: Faith. Blind faith, really.

I don't believe in the existence of a god or afterlife, but, of the two of us, you have the better deal.

When you die, if there is no afterlife you will be blissfully unaware.

When I die, if there is an afterlife I'm in deep shit.
 
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:08 am

The thing is is that we have a free will. If we did not, then we would be just robots. So, if God wanted to make everything peaceful and nothing bad happen, wouldnt we just be chess peices waiting for God to move us? Our free will is what makes us chose what we chose. Just like you chose to just believe in a god (I used lower case "g" not knowing who your "god" is) and I chose to believe in God the Father. The God of the Bible. Bad things are a result of sin and uncleanlyness. Your flesh is what causes these "bad" things. Not even the greatest of christians can not not sin.

So I am fine with everything not being perfect. I know that in the end, things will be perfect. Things happening right now in the middle east shows this to be true because it is revieling the prophecys to become true.

Sorry I went way off topic.
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
When I die, if there is an afterlife I'm in deep shit.

 rotfl ...

I'll pray on your behalf.... Wink
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

He gave us Barbie, didn't he?
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RE: If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:04 am

Watch the movie Oh, God!. I don't think what "God" says is too far off the mark.

My favorite quote:

Jerry Landers: "If you're God, how can You permit all the suffering that goes on in the world?"

God: "I don't permit the suffering - you do."


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RE: If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
It's just that: Faith. Blind faith, really.

Isn't that more hope than faith?

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Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:16 am

I do believe on some level that there is a God. I think He looks like this:



Now, the universe makes sense, doesn't it.  Smile
 
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:21 am

If God were to have simply made life easy for everyone, we'd be pretty bored in life. Whomever your God is, or the Grand Creator, they designed evil so that a> we could recognize good from bad; and b> so we could have some fun once in a while.

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Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):
My favorite quote:

Jerry Landers: "If you're God, how can You permit all the suffering that goes on in the world?"

God: "I don't permit the suffering - you do."

This is the same guy who had to take a break after six days, right?
 
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 12):
This is the same guy who had to take a break after six days, right?

Nope. He works seven days a week. But only 6 hours a day.

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Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:35 am

They tells me he only flys EL AL
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:25 am

GOD is everywhere in the US - from coast to coast!


http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/paul_kane/pk_volvo_god.jpg
 
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
GOD is everywhere in the US - from coast to coast!

 rotfl  ...And for those of you who don't live in the US, I can assure you that that wasn't a Photoshop job. I've seen those things driving around on many occasions.
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:31 pm

As to why, if God exists, there is evil everywhere....

If God punished all evil right when it occurred, there would be no one left alive on the planet.
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:14 am

A heartfelt "thank you" to everyone who participated in this thread. I must say that I remain, if anything, a "skeptical believer" -- if there can be any such thing at all. A believer in spite of myself, I should say.

I have been avoiding this Forum the last day or so because in the face of all the world crises that have gone on, it seems difficult to think of anything that hasn't been said before in connection with the why's and wherefores of current events.

Sadly, I am not sure I can understand God in any terms that can absolve Him of human notions of negligence, if such can be imputed to an Almighty. In particular, it strikes me as particularly disappointing that God allows all the misery to occur in the world as a matter of the consequences of design. It is one thing to say that if God had to punish everyone on Earth during life, then there would be no one who could be unpunished, and thus free will would disappear, as this is an interesting argument; it is another, however, to say that this means that God positively needed to create beings with free will that could cause such injury to each other to the extent that seems irreparable in this world. And, for that matter, why would a perfect God need to create anything at all? The more I think about such questions, the more skeptical I become. Which is why I hardly ever want to think about them.

But in times like these, I must admit that it's difficult not to.

[Edited 2006-07-19 23:18:53]
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
But I have an interesting thesis: If God were held to human standards, I think He'd be subject to lawsuits a-plenty. For negligence, if nothing else.

And you know, he'd probably be in jail, since he killed pretty much everyone who isn't currently alive...

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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
The thing is is that we have a free will.

Well said......
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:24 am

Doona, it would have to be a pretty interesting jail!

Roger, I agree that free will is a good argument; somehow, though, I just think that free will could have been permitted to operate in a safer environment.

[Edited 2006-07-19 23:27:07]
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:29 am

One additional thought: In theological terms, Doona, I think that natural mortality is said to be a consequence of mankind's choice at the Garden of Eden. It is often said that Adam and Eve were immortal but lost their immortality after defying God's instructions. But I'm no expert.
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
Roger, I agree that free will is a good argument; somehow, though, I just think that free will could have been permitted to operate in a safer environment.

If you could find the answer to that you would be King of the World forever  Smile
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 23):
If you could find the answer to that you would be King of the World forever  Smile

Then I shall start working on it immediately!

 Big grin  Wink
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:38 pm

It is often said that Adam and Eve were immortal but lost their immortality after defying God's instructions

Which raises a puzzling question:

If Adam and Eve were immortal, presumably their children (Cain, Abel, etc.) would also be immortal as well. So it stands to reason that if every person born never died, then after a few dozen generations, we'd have a serious population problem.

You follow me so far?

But it is also said that God already knows our destiny. So if He knew that Adam and Eve were going to blow their immortality within the first hour of their lives on that piece of fruit, then why did he make them immortal in the first place?

Was it just so He could rub their nose in it afterwards?

While I definitely believe their is a God and a Heaven and Hell, I seldom place much emphasis on faith and prayer. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing AGAINST faith and prayer.


-it's just that prayer solves nothing.

If you have lost your job and desperately needing one, sitting around praying all day isn't probably going to do much. Getting off your ass and sending out resumes and going on interviews WILL help you get a job.

And if there's a God, then you know there is a Satan. And the devil is not going to cross your path wearing a red cape with horns and a pointed tail. He's going to be that slick talking used car salesman. Or Yogi Bear (that SOB could steal your picnic basket while you thought he was your friend). Or Bill Clinton....or that hot babe with the fluttering eyelashes.
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

Well, I don't believe in god, never have, most likely never will, not that I have a problem with people who believe in god.
However, surly, we created the weapons, god gave us the materials, and it was up to us how we use them, god created the creatures, we have decided to use their remains as oil etc.
We have made most of this world, if god does exist, he gave us the basic materials, we decided how to use them.

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Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:51 am

So far there has been no scientific proof that god exists. Till I see some type of proof, it is nothing more than rumor that there is a god.
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:08 am

No mention of the 2003 film with Billy Connolly "The man who sued God"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/08/0...man_who_sued_god_2003_review.shtml

And if you dont like Billy, there is always Judy Davis.

And if you want to know why and what happens you have to watch the film!
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:44 am

I think we like to blame God for things that are just "out of our hands." But supposedly, God is all powerful and can control everything. So if he loves us, why does he not control those "out of our hand" situations?

We all fail to understand the difference between God and life For they are two different things. if God interferes with life, he interferes with our free will.

What happens if you and me actually see God? or finally get a proof that he exists( a scientific/physical proof)? I think that we would feel some serious guilt of everything we did to and said about him. we would also live life knowing that we are surly doomed because we continue to do what he said was wrong to do. even if he forgive us, can we people really stop the bad habbits? not only would we not stop but also our Guilt would grow so big that we truly would reach a point of wishing that we didn't exist.
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 22):
One additional thought: In theological terms, Doona, I think that natural mortality is said to be a consequence of mankind's choice at the Garden of Eden. It is often said that Adam and Eve were immortal but lost their immortality after defying God's instructions. But I'm no expert.

Might I suggest the following reading:

http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1138-1,00.html

http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/c...answer/0,9777,1601-1-53-16,00.html

All from www.mormon.org.

Hope this helps!
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:38 am

Does God have human feelings?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Would you let your children run around with deadly weapons, shooting and killing and harming and maiming each other?

No.Stravation is an issue on the planet,that if God had human feelings,
in my opinion,would intervene.It is painful to me.
I was taught that we are judge
by our souls.Not color,economics,religion,social status...etc. And
as I said before,what you do for/against your follow mankind is the
judgement.

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 14):
They tells me he only flys EL AL

Not true.God flys United.

[Edited 2006-07-20 19:41:51]
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 7):
He gave us Barbie, didn't he?

That alone should be proof that he does not have humanity´s best interests at heart....  Smile

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Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):

I don't believe in the existence of a god or afterlife, but, of the two of us, you have the better deal.

When you die, if there is no afterlife you will be blissfully unaware.

When I die, if there is an afterlife I'm in deep shit.

Seconded!
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:32 am

God is not short and God is not tall—
God is not shaped like a tree or beach ball.
Nope, not a hat, and no, not a cat—
He’s not a thing like this one or that.
God is not cold and God is not hot…
Well, let’s just go with: He’s simply not.


by Greg Perkins

EDIT: God does not exist.

[Edited 2006-07-20 22:47:19]

[Edited 2006-07-20 22:48:48]
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 2):
Ease off the green stuff my friend.

He posted it at 20 past the hour, which is 4:20 somewhere. Gotta do what ya gotta do.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
The thing is is that we have a free will. If we did not, then we would be just robots

Exactly.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):
God: "I don't permit the suffering - you do."

There were a surprising number of very deep comments in that movie.

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 27):
So far there has been no scientific proof that god exists. Till I see some type of proof, it is nothing more than rumor that there is a god.

Einstein and many other physicist disagree.

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

"The relativity principle in connection with the basic Maxwellian equations demands that the mass should be a direct measure of the energy contained in a body; light transfers mass. With radium there should be a noticeable diminution of mass. The idea is amusing and enticing; but whether the Almighty is laughing at it and is leading me up the garden path - that I cannot know." - Albert Einstein, speaking in reference to one of many things that science cannot explain.

Care to explain why the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, defying all scientific "proof" that says it is impossible?

Care to explain the origin of the big bang? The prevailing view of modern science is that an "external influence" is the only plausible explanation.

So much for science.
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 36):
Care to explain the origin of the big bang? The prevailing view of modern science is that an "external influence" is the only plausible explanation

Can't be proven anymore or less.

If one knows Astronomy they know Galaxies are coming at us just as fast as those going away from us. A big bang as some claim happened can't be true. Then you hear theories that gravity is pulling them back? So how do they explain the ones going out LOL.....

Maybe the movie Animal House hit the nail on the head? Where they are getting stoned with Pro. Donald LOL.... He offers a theory

[Edited 2006-07-20 23:48:26]
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:31 am

Hmm interesting thread.

I never used to think that God exists and the Bible was just some book written to try to get people to get along and be nice to each other.

Since I moved from England to Spain, I've found myself thinking there has to be a reason why the universe, life and I happened.

I've looked at many religions and none seem to make sense, if God created the world who created God etc comes up. How did it all begin etc etc.

At the moment as I cant find any answers I'm just living as full a life as possible, getting drunk all the time when I'm not flying, seeing the world and trying to find the perfect woman.

Hopefully I'll find my answers one day, but until then I'll believe the science behind me.


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Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:07 am

Hmmm. It's about free will. He let's YOU do it. He did nothing. He put no guns here. HUMANS did. If His children are bad, then they'll be punished, but he doesn't interfere and take away free will. That would defeat the purpose.

Quoting Jamotcx (Reply 38):
if God created the world who created God etc comes up

AS for "Where did God come from?" you have to realize that He IS. Not he WAS. This points to a lack of the dimension we are so familiar with...time. This being true, there is no reason to wonder who made him. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I can't articulate very well, I know...
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:32 am

I wonder what Redngold's take on this would be.  scratchchin 
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:49 pm

who said it's he?---------------------------------------
I thought I was wrong but I was only joking!
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting Jamotcx (Reply 38):
Since I moved from England to Spain, I've found myself thinking there has to be a reason why the universe, life and I happened.

Is that a variation on the theme "God is an Englishman"? It also answers PKKs question.

[Edited 2006-07-21 08:08:18]
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 41):
who said it's he?---------------------------------------

Well, the bible. That's what I go by. I don't let myself get too worked up anymore. I think we call it "selfish." I think it's just symbolic anyway, as a spirit has no gender.
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:38 pm

If God is a she I will be in the brown stuff bigtime.
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 44):
If God is a she I will be in the brown stuff bigtime.

And if God's my ex...oh my...oh my...I think I just soiled myself...funny how many people I DON'T want God to be, lol. Great post Pulkovokiwi. You seem like a great chap, even if we do disagree on politics!

Blue skies,
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 39):

AS for "Where did God come from?" you have to realize that He IS.

You don't find that to be the slightest bit unbelievable? To me, the idea that any entity has no origins is absurd. This doesn't mean I absolutely refute the existence of a god, I just have a difficult time believing that such an entity lacks a beginning.

Some other quips:

-I have a very difficult time believing that any "just" god would dictate the righteousness of human beings based on the way in which they worship him. In other words, I can't bring myself to believe in a god that only accepts devotees of a single faith into his kingdom. To me, it's equivalent to George Bush rewarding his voters with extraordinary gifts and punishing those who voted against him with horrendous torture. No rational human being would endorse a political system that allowed this, yet humans overwhelmingly fall in line with religious systems that dictate the same principles.

-Why do humans feel a need to live forever? I don't understand why it's so difficult to accept that we're only here for a short time before we disappear forever (or, as a songwriter I'm fond of put it, "we burn in history.") Nearly every society in history has constructed some kind of concept of eternal life and/or damnation. I fail to see how contemporary religions differ significantly from those of ancient societies.

-If you were god, why would you fill your creation with evidence contradicting your existence (i.e. science.) Why would you allow your testaments to be manipulated by your subjects for their own purposes? Why would you leave anything in said testaments up for interpretation? If god truly wants us to join him in his celestial kingdom for eternity, why does he play hard to get?

Agnosticism is truly frustrating!

[Edited 2006-07-21 09:53:08]

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Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 46):
You don't find that to be the slightest bit unbelievable?

Hmmm. Well, what do you believe? Big Bang? Then there's the classic "Where did the BB come from?" I choose to put my faith in something-a book and historical events-rather than a book explaining I came from what amounts to a rock and the rock came from...

Do you see what I mean? I can live life believing something better awaits me, and I have something to fall back on.

You have death. This suits you. I don't see why it is better than the belief of an eternal life. We go our own ways. If I am right, I shall always be happy. If I am wrong, I shall always have been happy. It's the perfect solution for me.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 46):
-I have a very difficult time believing that any "just" god would

You don't care at all, so it is rather moot anyhow, no? I think it depends on where you're coming from, etc. You have to want to believe. Otherwise it seems like hogwash.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 46):
-If you were god, why would you fill your creation with evidence contradicting your existence (i.e. science.) Why would you allow your testaments to be manipulated by your subjects for their own purposes? Why would you leave anything in said testaments up for interpretation? If god truly wants us to join him in his celestial kingdom for eternity, why does he play hard to get?

Personally, I see no evidence to prove the bible wrong. Maybe if I squint my eyes just so...but then I can see where there is evidence of creation...maybe if you squint your eyes just so...like that song, "The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round,..." You cannot PROVE either way to those who truly believe what they say. It's even. And for those of us who do, we see no question of God having power to prevent a book from being screwed with. Why and how is he playing hard to get? He puts a rule book here. It's not that hard to read...I'm sure if He cares you'd get help.

But it all comes down to your POV, does it not?

I respect your views, and they do not anger me.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 46):
Agnosticism is truly frustrating!

I am sorry. If you were where I live I'd bring you a sugar cookie. I think we both agree that they are good? There! Common ground! Here's to a good friendship!

All the best,
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RE: If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 27):
So far there has been no scientific proof that god exists. Till I see some type of proof, it is nothing more than rumor that there is a god.

So please give me the evidence for the other "theories" for how we got here. Evolution? Not proven. Anything else? Not proven.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 25):
-it's just that prayer solves nothing.

If you have lost your job and desperately needing one, sitting around praying all day isn't probably going to do much. Getting off your ass and sending out resumes and going on interviews WILL help you get a job.

God can do what He wants. But, God mostly works for those who are already "moving" If you are just sitting there and want something, most of the time nothing happens even with real life situations with people giving other people things. So go out and try to get a job. Keep it in prayer that God will bring along the right job and oportunity. Trust me, He answers all prayers. Just sometimes you have to relize No is also an answer  Wink
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RE: If God Exists, He Is Truly Beyond Our Ken

Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 47):

Hmmm. Well, what do you believe? Big Bang? Then there's the classic "Where did the BB come from?" I choose to put my faith in something-a book and historical events-rather than a book explaining I came from what amounts to a rock and the rock came from...

I don't know what to believe. I will say however, that I'm much more convinced by the big bang theory than the idea that the world was created in six days by an omnipotent power that has "always been".

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 47):

You have death. This suits you. I don't see why it is better than the belief of an eternal life. We go our own ways. If I am right, I shall always be happy. If I am wrong, I shall always have been happy. It's the perfect solution for me.

No...see, the whole point of being agnostic is that I don't know what it is that I have. Not a clue. When I called myself a Christian years ago, I too operated under the "If I'm right/If I'm wrong=always happy" logic, but I eventually got to a point where I didn't believe that the universe operates under such absolutes as "right" and "wrong".

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 47):
You don't care at all, so it is rather moot anyhow, no? I think it depends on where you're coming from, etc. You have to want to believe. Otherwise it seems like hogwash.

It's not that I don't care, it's that I don't know. Simple.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 47):
Personally, I see no evidence to prove the bible wrong.

You don't find talking snakes, two of every animal fitting onto a single boat and people living to be 900 years old to be a bit odd? Why did all this stuff only happen 2,000 years ago? Where have the talking bushes and miracles gone?

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 47):

I respect your views, and they do not anger me.

Likewise.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 47):
If you were where I live I'd bring you a sugar cookie. I think we both agree that they are good? There! Common ground! Here's to a good friendship!

I'm not a sugar cookie getter...

Cheers.

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