mrmeangenes
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How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:39 am

In 2001, Hezbollah was said to have about 5000 Katyusha rockets-most of which were oversized grenade launchers. In 2006,Hezbollah claimed it had 10,000- and it was apparent from the strikes in Israel these were much larger beasties.

Do any of you-preferably from Lebanon-have any first hand information (or reasonably reliable second hand sources) as to :

a. Where these missiles originated ?
b. How they reached Lebanon ?
c. How they got into the hands of Hezbollah ?

(I'd just as soon this didn't turn into a flame war between competing interests-but,if it helps show the truth-bring it on !)
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:12 am

IMHO:
- throught the land border with syria
- Through sea
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:36 am

Isn't this just a rehash of your other thread:
A Look At Hezbollah's Rocket Arsenal (by Mrmeangenes Jul 16 2006 in Non Aviation)
 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 2):
Isn't this just a rehash of your other thread:

No. It's a request for further information.

I stopped believing in djiins quite some time ago,and, Star Trek notwithstanding,doubt these missiles were teleported into Lebanon.

Rolfen suggests via sea-(shipped from ?);or over the border from Syria.
(I presume that would have been during the Syrian "regency".)

So,friends,does anyone else wish to address my questions ?
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Thread starter):
a. Where these missiles originated ?
b. How they reached Lebanon ?
c. How they got into the hands of Hezbollah ?

A- Iran, but world arms trade is big business so if you have the money.. someone has the weapons.
B- By sea or truck
C- Again, world arms trade is big business.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:07 am

Go to your local Blockbuster and rent the movie Lord of War. It's Hollywood, so who knows. . . but it's very good, and it's about illegal arms trade.

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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:18 am

Perhaps I should add a question: If Hezbollah BOUGHT their multi-million dollar arsenal, where did they get the money ?
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 6):
Perhaps I should add a question: If Hezbollah BOUGHT their multi-million dollar arsenal, where did they get the money ?

countries and wealthy private citizens in the middle east and other parts of the world who share their ideals and mission...
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 7):
countries and wealthy private citizens in the middle east and other parts of the world who share their ideals and mission...

Follow the money! But don't let the New York Times find out!
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:12 am

Keep it going !

Unfortunately,only one of our Lebanese brethren (or sistern ?) has responded.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 6):
Perhaps I should add a question: If Hezbollah BOUGHT their multi-million dollar arsenal, where did they get the money ?

Iran, or syria, or both, or even drug trade maybe...
Donation from wealthy lebanese immigrees too.
I dont know  Smile That is just speculation.

Probably a combination of all the above.
Milicia founding is a highly lucrative business in lebanon  yes 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 9):
Milicia founding is a highly lucrative business in lebanon

To whom is it lucrative ? The Army ? The Government ?

We're talking about a LOT of very serious hardware (I almost said "Syria's hardware"-little pun there !) that took up a lot of space being shipped in, moved about,etc.

Do you think it was done during the Syrian occupation ? Do you think it continued after the Syrians left ?
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Thread starter):
b. How they reached Lebanon ?
c. How they got into the hands of Hezbollah ?

If Israel is to be believed then the airport Israel bombed the crap out of is was one major entry point.

I would go with the airport, through the ports, and most definitely the border with Syria.

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 11):
Do you think it was done during the Syrian occupation ?

Yes.

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 11):
Do you think it continued after the Syrians left ?

Yes again. Hesbollah is still there and not being kept in check so the weapons continued to come in the country.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Thread starter):
first hand information

Most are homemade.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
Go to your local Blockbuster and rent the movie Lord of War. It's Hollywood, so who knows. . . but it's very good, and it's about illegal arms trade.

What a great movie that was!

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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 6):
If Hezbollah BOUGHT their multi-million dollar arsenal, where did they get the money ?

It's been bandied about on TV this weekend that Iran has been funneling $10-20 million per month to Hezbollah.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:25 pm

Perhaps Wal-Mart. Just joking.
With the cash that Iran has been providing, someone will sell them on the black market. Wouldn't surprise me that they were US made.
 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:27 pm

The missiles are Syrian (medium and short range) and Iranian (medium and long range). They were brought into Lebanon in every possible way , including BEY cargo traffic, but mostly by land via the Syrian border.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:18 pm

All Lebanese know that Hezbollah gets its weapons straight from Syria by ground and generally not through any of the 4 official border crossings.

They try to keep a low profile and use mountain passages and avoid main roads.

Nothing through the seaports or through the airport, too insecure and too high profile.

In the 90's, when the Syrians controled Beirut airport, they may have received occassional weapon supplies by air, but this was before Israel's withdrawal from the south in 2000.

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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Yes again. Hesbollah is still there and not being kept in check so the weapons continued to come in the country.

I wouldnt be so sure.
When syria retreated, everal steps were taken to better control the border. Illegal crossings were closed and army patrols increased.

It could very well be that HA is using a 1 year old stock.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 18):
When syria retreated, everal steps were taken to better control the border. Illegal crossings were closed and army patrols increased.

You know what seems funny to me? On one hand you guys are saying that the lebanese government cannot control hezbollah, and yet on the other hand the lebanese government can control their supplies? So can it or can it not?

Either way they did not control it - unfortuantely leaving this job to us.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:41 pm

You forget that it has been only a year since the Syrian pull out. No one could question what the Syrians were bringing in.

BEY and sea ports are not good entry ports since there are costum services. Even if they sneak in something through these points, some people will be aware of and Hezbollah may fear that it will go to US or Israeli intelligence.

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 19):
Either way they did not control it - unfortuantely leaving this job to us.

You know, as much as I am for the disarmament of Hezbollah, I find it hard to swallow such comments. You in particular probably know that I always have expressed the same thoughts on this forum in the past regarding Hezbollah's weapons.

What of your plan fails? Who takes care of all the destruction? What job are you exactly doing? I feel so much pain to see all this destruction to our country.
Why target the Lebanese army which has never ever opened fire on Israel since 1949?

You blame us but why the mighty US can not control the situation in Iraq? Where are the weapons coming from.

You still ignore that this is a regional problem but chose to bomb Lebanon since it's the easiest target in the region.

Why for a change, don't take your bloody wars elsewhere and give us a brake?
 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting OD720 (Reply 20):

Why for a change, don't take your bloody wars elsewhere and give us a brake

Wasn't it from Lebanon that Hezbollah made daily rocket attacks on Israel ?

Wasn't it from Lebanon that Hezbollah forces invaded Israel,killed Israeli soldiers,and took captives ?

Is this a case of "chickens coming home to roost" - or is it like having a stray dog "adopt" you ; then run out, bark at a bear, and run to you for "protection" ?

I'm not trying to be a critic here:you know your homeland far better than I could ever hope to.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting OD720 (Reply 20):
Why target the Lebanese army which has never ever opened fire on Israel since 1949?

Because it sometimes assissts Hezbollah - your navy radars being a good example.

Quoting OD720 (Reply 20):
Why for a change, don't take your bloody wars elsewhere and give us a brake?

I can understand you. This applies not only to Israel , in this "War by a proxy".
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 17):
All Lebanese know that Hezbollah gets its weapons straight from Syria by ground and generally not through any of the 4 official border crossings.

If they all know, why don't any take it into their own hands to stop it?
 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 11):
To whom is it lucrative ? The Army ? The Government ?

To the person who is founding a milicia.
One of the christian milicia that was created (or rather consolidated) during the civil war suddenly got equipped with lots of expensive american gear.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 6):
Perhaps I should add a question: If Hezbollah BOUGHT their multi-million dollar arsenal, where did they get the money ?

Heroin.

No secret there, although it's not reported much.
 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:28 am

Interesting ! I didn't know Hezbollah was in the drug trade-although it would be a "natural". I seem to recall the Sunni Muslims have no objection to protecting and taxing drug shipments-as long as they are going to "unbelievers"-and imagine the Shi'ites might feel the same.

That certainly adds another dimension to the conflict !
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 25):
Heroin.

No secret there, although it's not reported much.

That story is as good as Saddam's WMDs.

Why would they need to go into the drug business when they have unlimited funds from Iran?
Iran has a lot of money but very few places to spend it.
 
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:44 pm

Ineed, Hezbollah's opium fields are well known. In fact until this war the harshest response Israel ever got from hezbollah was after IAF burned those fields in mid 90s.
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RE: How Did Hezollah Get Its Missiles?

Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:43 pm

I had forgotten about the Hezbollah drug,counterfeiting,and smuggling connection;and, looking at the earlier reports, it begins to appear Hezbollah was a "cottage industry" in Lebanon: more than welcome, as long as their armaments were directed towards non-Lebanese targets.
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