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I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:26 am

I've been thinking for many years now about the possibility of moving to Canada. Previously, I've visited YYZ, YVR, YYJ & YWG and on each visit I've thought to myself, "I could live here!".

I don't have any particular skill or trade, but I do have 12 years commercial aviation experience in everything from reservations & ticketing, through load control and being an Airport Services Supervisor to where I am for the last 5 years in Airline Operations and Flight Planning.

What are the prospects for me, and where would I need to start if I pursue the idea of going down this road? What sort of immigration requirements must I fulfil? Would I have to be in posession of an employment offer in order to live there? etc etc. (BTW, my mum is Canadian by birth, although now posesses a UK passport) Does that help? I myself am Irish by birth and have retained my Irish passport although I've lived away from Ireland for many years now. Would an airline in Canada employ a "foreigner" with the intention of that individual moving to Canada to take up that employment?

Simply, I fancy a new start for myself, my wife and our two kids!

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated....!!!!

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):

What are the prospects for me, and where would I need to start if I pursue the idea of going down this road? What sort of immigration requirements must I fulfil?

Something I've heard is a good idea when you're applying for a visa is to tell them that you want to move to yellowknife or whitehorse or some deserted place up north as they rather accept those people than people that are writing that they will move to YYZ or YVR.

Good luck!
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:34 am

C'mon over ! IM me and I'll give you some info.
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:37 am

Have you spent a winter here before? Do that before you decide.

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 3):
Have you spent a winter here before?

Yip! Jan '99, Toronto, -19C   

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:41 am

Post 9/11 the federal government has made immigration to Canada tougher, but if you properly follow the procedures, you should be able to get through, though expect processing delays, a lot of tough questions from immigration officers and you should made sure your ID and birth papers and passports are authentic.
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 1):
Something I've heard is a good idea when you're applying for a visa is to tell them that you want to move to yellowknife or whitehorse or some deserted place up north as they rather accept those people than people that are writing that they will move to YYZ or YVR.

Nice idea, if it was 15 years ago, and I was young free & single but as I'm planning this with my family I'd rather play legit, as tedious and administrative as that may be. I wouldn't want everyone getting deported cos I lied on my application. This move is for all of us, not just myself.


Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 4):
IM me and I'll give you some info

I will, thanks!

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 6):
Post 9/11 the federal government has made immigration to Canada tougher

That's understandable. Hey, these things are to be expected. just deal with the delays and extra checks as they come along. No point in rushing.
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 7):

Nice idea, if it was 15 years ago, and I was young free & single but as I'm planning this with my family I'd rather play legit, as tedious and administrative as that may be. I wouldn't want everyone getting deported cos I lied on my application. This move is for all of us, not just myself.

Well nothing will happen if you did lie about it. You've got your visa, and it is just a question that you will be asked, but after you get your visa, no one will keep track of where you are moving to, but I do see the moral side of this too of course.
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:51 am

Before speculating any further, find out from your local consulate about becoming a dual citizen - I'm dual Canadian/British and if Ireland has the same laissez-faire approach to duals, I'm pretty sure you would qualify for citizenship through your Mom ("Mum" lol). You'll likely need several certificates (i.e. your long form birth cert., your parents' birth certs, and their marriage license - I think that's about all I needed for my application...IIRC) ~ and voilà! you're Canadian!!  thumbsup 

It takes a while, requires a fair bit of digging, and administrative costs can be expensive, but you already know the benefits - come on over!

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:55 am

I echo the sentiments of other Canucks, this country is very welcoming to people who are willing to work for personal and collective success. Just make sure you spend a while figuring out hockey Big grin

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Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:30 am

BDKLEZ - just to add to what I wrote above, there are a couple of obstacles you might come across...in an application for British citizenship, one is eligible by having a father or grandfather of British ancestry - rather patriarchal, in that a claim in through a mother/grandmother would be invalid. (I'd hope Canada wouldn't have this *kind of discriminatory* requirement..??)

The distinction between blood related and adopted can also make a difference: while the High Commission here didn't take seem to care that I was adopted (or that my father was already deceased when I applied), I'm ineligible for US citizenship (through my mother) because we're not blood related (?!)

...just a couple of things to consider...oh, and I found this pretty easily:

Canadian Embassy in Dublin, Ireland - 65 St. Stephen's Green, Dublin 2, Ireland. Tel: (+ 353-1) 417 4100. Fax: (+ 353-1) 417 4101. E-mail: cdnembsy@iol.ie

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 1):
Something I've heard is a good idea when you're applying for a visa is to tell them that you want to move to yellowknife or whitehorse or some deserted place up north as they rather accept those people than people that are writing that they will move to YYZ or YVR.

Bad idea. Never ever ever lie on any immigration form ever. Get found out and it will haunt you for a very very long time.
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:14 am

LOL I just made a move the other way around  Smile. Calgary is the best large city
for employment prospects right now, however I personally would pick Vancouver if I was to move back to Canada. Although the cost of living is quite expensive, it is just beautiful, with friendly people and a laid back lifestyle.

Although I still think Canada is a decent place to live, you could use a little bit of a reality check from someone who has gone the other way  Smile Make sure you research what the likely incomes are for the type of work you intend to do and the cost of living is where you want to settle down. Major cities in Canada (especially Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto..I'm not counting Fort McMurray) have quite a high cost of living - but it isn't apparent at first. Automobile insurance and property taxes can be killers (especially in Toronto). You will be classified as a new driver with no previous insurance, so be ready for some eye popping auto insurance premiums. Smaller centres are quite a bit more reasonable. Also, income taxes in Canada are quite a bit higher than in the United Kingdom, I'm not familiar with what they are like in Ireland. Remember that the taxes off your paycheque are not just federal taxes but provincial ones too, not to mention CPP and EI deductions. In Canada I was in about a 29% tax bracket, while I am in the 22% bracket in the UK and making more money.

One final word of advice, some Canadian employers summarily dismiss "non-Canadian" working experience and write you off as a candidate. They do this here a bit in the UK also, but don't assume that Canadians are so enlightened that they value foreign and local experience the same.

Otherwise, Canada is a great country to live in if you can find the right combination of job and place to live. But just keep the big picture in mind and do lots of reading up.

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 10):
one is eligible by having a father or grandfather of British ancestry - rather patriarchal, in that a claim in through a mother/grandmother would be invalid. (I'd hope Canada wouldn't have this *kind of discriminatory* requirement..??)

This changed for people born after 1983 I believe.
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 11):
Bad idea. Never ever ever lie on any immigration form ever. Get found out and it will haunt you for a very very long time.

Do you even know what you're talking about? I talked to several immigrants while I lived in Canada, and they all told me that that is what they did. Did anyone haunt them? Nope.
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
Do you even know what you're talking about? I talked to several immigrants while I lived in Canada, and they all told me that that is what they did. Did anyone haunt them? Nope.

Lots of people set up scam businesses to get in. The requirement used to be a minimum of $50,000 investment over two years. Then once that is up, they would close up shop  Smile
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 14):
Lots of people set up scam businesses to get in. The requirement used to be a minimum of $50,000 investment over two years. Then once that is up, they would close up shop

Lol! That is kind of funny

Btw my Social Studies teacher in Canada told me about the trick I mentioned above to get in easier too!

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 12):
In Canada I was in about a 29% tax bracket, while I am in the 22% bracket in the UK and making more money.

just curious - was the 7% gain in income worth the loss of 80% of personal space (in terms of population density)?  wink  Don't get me wrong, I love the UK, but it always amazes me how crowded it is. Also, in terms of income, in the research I did incomes were equal to slightly higher, but didn't necessarily go as far as they do here...what's your experience been?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 15):
my Social Studies teacher in Canada told me about the trick

Is that how your Social Studies teacher got here?  wink  Would be pretty awful to be deported for that, or actually sent to Outer-East Nowhere & forced to live there in shame...  frown 

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 16):
Is that how your Social Studies teacher got here? wink Would be pretty awful to be deported for that, or actually sent to Outer-East Nowhere & forced to live there in shame... frown

No actually it wasn't. He had scottish roots but was born and raised in Canada
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):

Do you even know what you're talking about? I talked to several immigrants while I lived in Canada, and they all told me that that is what they did. Did anyone haunt them? Nope.

Yes. I am an immigrant to the US, I also lived in Vancouver for a year, I went through many many many hours of reading up on both US and Canadian immigration law, followed by many many hours of discussion with immigration attorneys in both countries. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The penalties for falsifying any immigration document are severe. The people you talked to got away with it; had they got caught, they would have been in a world of hurt.
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:34 am

Canada is truely a terrific place. Vancouver is probably the only place in the world that isn't Seattle that I could see myself living for most of my life. It's entirely possible that I'll be moving there for graduate school, so I guess we'll see.
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 18):
I went through many many many hours of reading up on both US and Canadian immigration law

Why Canadian law? You don't need to pass an exam to live in Canada for a year. At least I didn't have to

Also how would they get caught when you are not signing a contract saying that you will live where you wrote you would. They don't keep track of where in the country people choose to settle, at least not the people I talked to

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 20):
Why Canadian law? You don't need to pass an exam to live in Canada for a year. At least I didn't have to

Because this was at the end of my year there when I was considering making it a permanent move.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 20):

Also how would they get caught when you are not signing a contract saying that you will live where you wrote you would. They don't keep track of where in the country people choose to settle, at least not the people I talked to

That's slightly incorrect. You are signing a contract when you sign the various application forms involved. Depending on your grounds for applying for immigrant status, you must prove that within the conditional period that you fulfill those conditions. So, if you were granted immigrant status based by saying that you were going to live in City A, but then on your paperwork you list City B as your mailing address, you're busted; it's viewed as purjury and carries heavy penalties.

If on the other hand you emigrate and live in the city you stated, and the move for a valid reason (i.e. you DID live in City A when you first got there, but your employer reassigned you to the office in City B), there are no worries. You do, however, have to inform the CBSA of your move if you are not yet a citizen. Your declaration either at Point of Entry, or your filed applications must be accurate, any deliberately falsified information is punishable as purjury. The can and do catch people out.
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):

Because this was at the end of my year there when I was considering making it a permanent move.

Ah okay

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
That's slightly incorrect. You are signing a contract when you sign the various application forms involved. Depending on your grounds for applying for immigrant status, you must prove that within the conditional period that you fulfill those conditions. So, if you were granted immigrant status based by saying that you were going to live in City A, but then on your paperwork you list City B as your mailing address, you're busted; it's viewed as purjury and carries heavy penalties.

If on the other hand you emigrate and live in the city you stated, and the move for a valid reason (i.e. you DID live in City A when you first got there, but your employer reassigned you to the office in City B), there are no worries. You do, however, have to inform the CBSA of your move if you are not yet a citizen. Your declaration either at Point of Entry, or your filed applications must be accurate, any deliberately falsified information is punishable as purjury. The can and do catch people out.

Okay that makes sense I guess. I was just writing what I heard from other immigrants in Canada
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 22):
Ah okay

I sometimes catch myself wishing I had made it a permanent move. As much as I love living in Orange County, there's no place like Vancouver!!

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 22):
Okay that makes sense I guess. I was just writing what I heard from other immigrants in Canada

I never realized how complex immigration is until I started investigating it. there a few newsgroups out there that I post on that have a few people who did what your friends did; took the risk and got away with it, but there are also plenty of horror stories of people who took the risk and got caught and then start whining when they get hit with a ten year entry ban or in once case even thrown in jail.
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 23):
I sometimes catch myself wishing I had made it a permanent move. As much as I love living in Orange County, there's no place like Vancouver!!

That's true, but there is one thing that I found annoying and that was all the rain. Rain, rain, rain  Smile

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 23):
but there are also plenty of horror stories of people who took the risk and got caught and then start whining when they get hit with a ten year entry ban or in once case even thrown in jail.

But for how long do you have to live in the town you wrote that you would live in before you can move away again legally?
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 24):
But for how long do you have to live in the town you wrote that you would live in before you can move away again legally?

If it's a legitimate move and you notify the CBSA with the relevant form, there's no official period that I'm aware of, although a lot of people on the newsgroups cite a "60/30" unwritten rule...stay where you are for at least 60 days, and when you move, notify CBSA within 30 days. The rumour is that adjudicating immigration officers use that as a rule of thumb of whether or not to investigate it further.

Once you've got your citizenship, you can move wherever you want whenever you want.
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
Yip! Jan '99, Toronto, -19C

Well that was one of the worst winters that I can remember so if you handled that one then you should be fine Big grin.
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:27 am

Go to the Immigration Canada website. Canada operates a points sytem and you can do a simulation online.

I miss Canada, but as my original 2 week stay lasted 6 years, Immigration wasn't being very accomodating in the end!

And 15 years later I STILL have my stuff in storage in YYC. What an idiot!
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:37 am

Dude move to california. Almost every one here is half irish from the potato famine and the rest are cannucks who decided to move to warm place. Despite what you might hear, we love immigrants here..
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
Yip! Jan '99, Toronto, -19C

That is a warm day in a Canadian winter. Try doing a start on an F18 in -50 degress C with a light wind.  cold 
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Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 16):
just curious - was the 7% gain in income worth the loss of 80% of personal space (in terms of population density)? wink Don't get me wrong, I love the UK, but it always amazes me how crowded it is. Also, in terms of income, in the research I did incomes were equal to slightly higher, but didn't necessarily go as far as they do here...what's your experience been?

Well, in everyone's case the factors are different, but in mine I was saddled with a lot of debt from university and just couldn't see myself paying it off any time soon making $40,000 a year in Toronto. With the combination of lower taxes and higher salary its about a 35% rise over what I was making in Toronto. IT is a much better paying field in the UK than in Canada and I am using Chesire/North Wales as an example and omitting London. In Toronto, for whatever reason there is a glut of junior to intermediate level IT staff and this makes it hard to move up to a specialist or manager role until you get into the 10 year level of experience. At my employer in the UK, there are plenty of managers younger than me, and I am 25.

I couldn't afford a large living space in Toronto (or a nice neighbourhood really either), so there is no decrease in living space for me but quite an increase. I have a 2 bedroom apartment here that I would not have been able to afford living in Toronto. People I knew around my age in Toronto were still living with their parents and could save some money but that wasn't an option for me  no  Also, auto insurance used up about 7% of my gross income, here it is about 3.1% and I am classed as a brand new driver to boot so it will only go down from this point.

The one thing I miss a bit from Toronto is the variety of restaurants and the relativley low prices to eat out - here that is one thing that is much more expensive.

If I was single I probably would have chosen to go to Vancouver (I'm a serious rice queen if that helps you understand lol) but my partner got me to realize it would be a good idea to try the UK. So far I've been very happy with my move here, but my partner is having a bit of a problem finding fulfilling work as he was an accountant in Toronto. He's working as a temp here but obviously he cant do all that much with his knowledge of Canadian tax regulations etc. So he will probably be going back to school for a bit to get into finance instead.
 
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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 30):
if that helps you understand

wink wink - nudge nudge...I understand completely. I guess being an anglophile would make me a 'fish & chip queen' lol (!!? no, there's just something wrong with that!)

So, your partner persuaded the move to Wales, where I assume he's quite rare, rather than Vancouver, where the risk of distraction is admittedly enormous to an 'RQ'...smart man...but in doing so, he gave up his career and most opportunities in his field...hmmm...(not so smart?) There's something operatic in this story. Best of luck in Wales,

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RE: I Want To Move To Canada!

Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 31):
I guess being an anglophile would make me a 'fish & chip queen' lol (!!? no, there's just something wrong with that!)

I think I'm going to have nightmares after reading that.

"Anglophile" and "Queen" are two words I do NOT like reading in the same sentence.

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