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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:48 am

Not many muslims are going to be taking this seriously, height of double standards.
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 1):
Not many muslims are going to be taking this seriously, height of double standards.

Too bad for them.
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:05 am

Those who would obey the fatwa (Sunni Muslims) wouldn't support Hizbullah anyway. And those who support Hizbullah (Shiite Muslims) wouldn't care about a Saudi fatwa.

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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:16 am

Most sunnis (including myself) won't care about the fatwa either.
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don�t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:38 am

Although it was a sheik who issued the fatwa, I believe Saudi Arabia, along with Egypt, is aiming at Iran.
After the fall of the Talebans and Saddam Hussein, the two main opponents of the Iranian government are history, Iran is now about to gain the leading rule over the region. Add their nuclear program to that and their involvement into the outbreak of the current crisis, it's understandable other Arabic nations are getting nervous.
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:39 am

The Wahhabi try to increase their influence in Lebanon by discrediting Hezbollah.
Although Hezbollah are mistakenly considered exclusively as a "terror organization",Wahabi sunnis will not succeed in penetrating Lebanon for various reasons.
Saudi politics (and hence royalties..) are not very much appreciated by many arabs-and once you live in the area ,you will soon discover their immage with Egyptians,Lebanese,Jordanians or even Omani's - it is far from positive.
Fatwas's are being taken more serious, once they come from Cairo's Al Azar .
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:48 am

Of course, our mullahs (Bush, Condi and the gang) are busy sitting pretty and refusing to issue a fatwa to our vassal state, Israel, not to blow women and children to bits.

For the $ 5 billion blank check we write them annually (and why I'd like to know just why given that Israel is wealthy and able to care for its own), one would expect that our Mullahs would have some say in the matter. Guess not. Our head mullah is an idiot, and the lady mullah in charge of foreign affairs is barely able to comprehend what it must mean to have one's child blown to bits.
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
For the $ 5 billion blank check we write them annually (and why I'd like to know just why given that Israel is wealthy and able to care for its own),

Clearly you're not familiar with the aid we give to Israel for it is neither $5 billion nor a blank check (most of it has to be spent with the US defense industry).
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:58 am

Since my pithy one-liner about the pot/kettle/black was deemed a low quality post (although why use 1,000 words when 23 will suffice?), I'll expound a bit on the topic.

It is the height of hypocrisy for the Saudis to come out in this manner, when they themselves have been known supporters, sponsors and advocates of terrorism and terror organizations. Is this simply a Wahhabi power play? Or is it window dressing to make some 'official' pronouncement in order to keep the economic game going?
 
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
it is neither $5 billion nor a blank check

indeed. It's 4 billion that can only be spent in the US (i.e. a way of the US government to subsidize american industries).
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:04 am

So THAT'S who's taken my Fatwah pad - I've been looking for it everywhere. Tchah - and they go and WASTE them on futile things like ending war, instead of important things like NOT putting pineapple on pizza and other vital life-threatening issues. Have they no sense of priorities. I don't care what they say, they can't borrow the Feyadeen hordes until they have dealt with all the traffic wardens in Juan Les Pins - first things first !
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
For the $ 5 billion blank check we write them annually

I think a link was posted a week ago and it was 668 million? for last year. A bit off from 5 billion.
 
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
Of course, our mullahs (Bush, Condi and the gang) are busy sitting pretty and refusing to issue a fatwa to our vassal state, Israel, not to blow women and children to bits.

For the $ 5 billion blank check we write them annually (and why I'd like to know just why given that Israel is wealthy and able to care for its own), one would expect that our Mullahs would have some say in the matter. Guess not. Our head mullah is an idiot, and the lady mullah in charge of foreign affairs is barely able to comprehend what it must mean to have one's child blown to bits.

Wow , sad you feel that way Jaysit ... I feel sorry for the torment you must endure living in the US. Well thier are alternatives ...  Wink
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:26 am

Jaysit you only talk about the Lebanese children "shorn to bits" but not word about the Israeli kids blown to bits. Be more balanced. Where were you when rockets were being fired at Israeli civilians.

We do not target civilians on purpose. However the Hezbollah target civilians on purpose.
 
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Thread starter):
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as the Wahhabis basically regard the Shi'ites as NON-Muslims, such a step is NOT a surprise at all
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and the other link is a link to that Israeli propaganda outlet, and therefore rather irrelevant
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
Those who would obey the fatwa (Sunni Muslims)

The Wahhabis are a sect, and are NOT taken in full by Sunnis of most "schools" (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali) and therefore theologically of low relevance. The Sheikh-al-Islam (el-Azhar) would be somebody of wide-reaching relevance but is not in that fatwa-business
 
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don’t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 13):
Wow , sad you feel that way Jaysit ... I feel sorry for the torment you must endure living in the US. Well thier are alternatives ...

Yes, there are alternatives.

Come November, 2006 and 2008, we kick out the SOBs. In the interim, you can sing the praises of our mullahs while the country and the rest of the world laugh at you.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 14):
Jaysit you only talk about the Lebanese children "shorn to bits" but not word about the Israeli kids blown to bits. Be more balanced. Where were you when rockets were being fired at Israeli civilians.

We do not target civilians on purpose. However the Hezbollah target civilians on purpose.

Israel has endured more death and destruction than it ever deserved at the hands of the PLO, Hamas and other assorted terrorist or para-military organizations (or whatever one calls them). But in this particular conflict, Israel has behaved irresponsibly and with a callous and arrogant disregard for human life. 320 dead Lebanese civilians resulting from a disdain for diplomatic efforts to secure the release of 2 of its soldiers? We're not looking at the historical ledger of Arab versus Israeli deaths here. Where would we even start? The 1921 pogroms against the Jews? The 1948 war? 1972? Shatillah? At any stage, the deaths and suffering on both sides is tit for tat.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
Clearly you're not familiar with the aid we give to Israel for it is neither $5 billion nor a blank check (most of it has to be spent with the US defense industry).

Its just as good as a blank check, one whose cost is borne by the US taxpayer. Its like some millionaire telling his trophy wife - here, take this check and spend all you can, but you have to spend it on diamonds (military spending), not gold (shopping malls, etc.). As for the aid not being $ 5 billion, it was pretty damn close -$ 2.5 billion at first approved for military aid in 2005 (then ratcheted up to $ 3.1 billion, plus additional interest free loans to the tune of $ 1 billion that, were they offered to any other country (except say, our other vassal states like Egypt or Pakistan) would create an interest revenue stream of $ 500 million in the next 10 years). In addition, while Congress at first approved $ 250 million in direct economic aid to Israel in 2005, this was also ratcheted up to $ 700 million with spot grants shoved into all sorts of other bills. And lets not forget loan guarantees to the tune of $ 8-9 billion, of which Israel has already used up $ 3.5 billion since 2005. That's pretty damn close to $ 5 billion in my book, if not more.

If even a hundredth of that aid went to Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank over the years in the form of economic aid, the US could have built up a wellspring of trust and faith among Arabs who instead of rushing off to join Arafat or the Iranian backed Hezbollah would have been willing to trust the US or even Israel. Instead, we back off since 2000, sit around and do nothing even as successive Israeli governments continued to appease the ultra-rightwing fringe of settlers and Jewish fundamentalists.
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RE: Saudi Fatwa: Don�t Support Hizbullah

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:42 am

Saudis are guilty as charged. they have been one of the biggest supporters of Sunni muslim extrememism and I couldn't care less what they say. With the dismantle of Ottaman Empire there isn't a single person or entity that is considered khaliffa. So, this eliminates the case of stupid role they are trying to play too..

Two flight attendants of FlyAir were arrested last month in Saudi Arabia because they decided to have lunch togheter (one male and the other female).

If I were Saudis.. i'd work on getting on with the program and joining the rest of the world in 21st century.. If I were Dubya (thank god i am not) I'd work on bringing democracy to Suadi Arabia. Oh wait, as long as they are with us they don't have to be democracies , right?  Smile
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