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Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:01 am

Poland's Prime Minister Kaczynkski and his twin-brother, who is Poland's President, demands an apologize from the German government and to take action against left German newspaper "Die Tageszeitung" ("The Daily Newspaper") after being portrayed as "rogues" and "potatoes" in a satirical column.

Berlin said they'd neither agree with the form nor with the content of the column but would not apologize.

Warsaw prosecutor started proceedings today.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,426222,00.html


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Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:42 am

Sorry, I just don't get it. This happens in the US every hour of every day.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:58 am

What religion do they claim to be a prophet of?? And does that religion prohibits such an act? You comparison is ridiculous beyond what words are capable of explaining.
 
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"The evil twins"

Poland, the most homophobic country in Europe...

Glaad I´m not polish, that´s for sure!

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Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
demands an apologize from the German government

That is total nonsense. I feel sorry for our neighbors.
 
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Why don't they send the two to North Corea-they could challenge the local hero there..
This is an absolute ridicoulous affair and the Germans would be well advised not to yield in this crap blackmailing..The polish politicians keep using WW2 as an excuse to entertain guilt-feelings within the German population .
Their entrance into the EEC was all but smooth and -as Chirac told them- they missed a great opportunity to shut up ...
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 2):

Ok, I see one of the moderators changed the title which indeed was a bit missleading. Now we only need to check the spelling of "Charicatures".  Wink

Still, this "affair" resembles some of the fuss about the Muhammed cartoons, as Muslims urged the Danish government to apologize. At that time, many have said that something compareable would not be possible in Europe as we enjoy freedom of press here. Apparently we were partially wrong.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):

Poland, the most homophobic country in Europe...

I would be carefully with such a generalizing statement. The majority of Poles feel embarassed for their government, reports say.
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The UK has had a big influx of Poles since 2004.
All working, many well educated, some setting up businesses here.
Others working in labourious crop picking too, sending money home before they go themselves.

But the dynamic ones, nearly all young, have also cited the election of these two last year, with their predujices and reliance of the badly educated and angry to get in power.
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I cant believe you guys care about this, no one in Poland does.
 
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
The evil twins"

Poland, the most homophobic country in Europe...

Glaad I´m not polish, that´s for sure!

People in Poland feel the same way about you...trust me. Many other countries breathe a sigh of relief that you are not counted among them.

Now,

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 8):
I cant believe you guys care about this, no one in Poland does.

Exactly. This is unfortunate stuff...over a charicature. Jeez...some people need a sense of humor. Besides, it's not like much worse hasn't been drawn in Poland about Andrea Merkel...what's fair is fair.

This government is pretty heavy on the right...with little centre. Oh, how I miss ol' Kwasniak...meh.

This government came into power after a close race between two more right wing candidates...though Donald Tusk was probably more centered. A lot of it has to do with anger about the corruption in past governments (the middle swing-voters of Poland), as well as some post EU enterance reactionary feelings. Some of those feelings come however from legitimate sources...like this genius here...

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
Their entrance into the EEC was all but smooth and -as Chirac told them- they missed a great opportunity to shut up ...

who forgets that Chirac's comment was directed at the less convervative government of Aleksander Kwaskniewski...and that a good source of the not so smooth entry came from France's selfish desire to protect its power structure within the EU.



It also highlights the growing rift between urban and rural Poland...sound familiar anyone?

Every country has this kind of unfortunate crap...this government will be used for what it's intended, then discarded in favor of a new one.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
This is an absolute ridicoulous affair and the Germans would be well advised not to yield in this crap blackmailing..The polish politicians keep using WW2 as an excuse to entertain guilt-feelings within the German population .

Little do you know that that same Spiegel article highlights internal criticism within' Poland about Kaczynski snubbing the Weimar Triangle summit. And what does the cartoon have to do with WW2...so far only a belligerant Frenchman has brought it up. Kaczynski was offended, and while he clearly needs thicker skin , he was not going off on a WW2 tangent.

With Marcinkiewicz gone, I predict this government will find itself short-lived, if not severely limited.

Poland's dislike of France, could very well grow...but then they'll just have to take a number in that arena.  Wink


To sum this story up...

Diagnosis: lack of sense of humor...must have been passed on from Germany  Wink

Treatment: There is hope...the Germans have learned to make funnies after the World Cup.  Smile So all that's needed is a massive influx of tourism...

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Laugh people...or fireproof the German embassy in Warsaw...whatever works for you.  Wink

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16-20 years old and so into polish politics.

Way to go B4!

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Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 9):
who forgets that Chirac's comment was directed at the less convervative government of Aleksander Kwaskniewski...and that a good source of the not so smooth entry came from France's selfish desire to protect its power structure within the EU.

Excusez -but without money from french and other Europena tax-payers Poland could not have bought american planes...
Chirac had all the rights in this world to criticise Poland for it's less than "eurofriendly" behavior since their entry into the EEC.
If you accept money from other people ,you also must accept their criticism..
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Excusez -but without money from french and other Europena tax-payers Poland could not have bought american planes...

Given the huge amount spent (wasted) on unsutainable CAP it's a small miracle there's actually any money left for something else.
Where is your bitching about Spain buying F-18s, Portugal F-16s, Greece F-16s? Hypocrite. Just get a life and get over it.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Chirac had all the rights in this world to criticise Poland for it's less than "eurofriendly" behavior since their entry into the EEC.

Sure, Chirac had all the right to make look himself like a total idiot. Once again. Interesting you French always complain about the Poles, it would be iteresting how far Chirac would get with the idiotic comments regarding lack of "eurofriendly" behavior (whatever that means  Yeah sure ) of the British. I guess he's too much of pu**y to even try it.
 
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Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 9):
Poland's dislike of France

I am surprised. Poland and Romania, and some other East European countries were traditionally regarded as being francophile ..
 
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Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 9):
This government is pretty heavy on the right...with little centre. Oh, how I miss ol' Kwasniak...meh.

This government came into power after a close race between two more right wing candidates...though Donald Tusk was probably more centered.

Just to clear this up. Kwasniewski did good in foreign policy, but he was a communist (ex-communist cloak) and im glad he is gone. Im also glad Donald Tusk did not win, he is a german guy and his family helped the SS in World War 2. Screw him.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 10):
16-20 years old and so into polish politics.

Way to go B4!

Micke/SWE

Come to Chicago, I will show you 1 million more who are.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Excusez -but without money from french and other Europena tax-payers Poland could not have bought american planes...



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Chirac had all the rights in this world to criticise Poland for it's less than "eurofriendly" behavior since their entry into the EEC.



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
If you accept money from other people ,you also must accept their criticism..

I will say this to you straightforward: you are an idiot who does not check his facts. Even if what you say had an inkling of truth, you realize Poland bought its F-16s BEFORE we were even in the EU.

Chirac is an idiot and I am glad we told France and him to get go play with his 10% approval ratings, making Bush look like a people's champ.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
I am surprised. Poland and Romania, and some other East European countries were traditionally regarded as being francophile ..

That ended when Napolean made the Grand Dutchy of Warsaw, your off by a couple centuries.
 
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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
I am surprised. Poland and Romania, and some other East European countries were traditionally regarded as being francophile ..

That ended when Napolean made the Grand Dutchy of Warsaw, your off by a couple centuries.

well, those people at LOT + TAROM Zurich who all the time wanted to speak French (unable to talk English or German) were in the 1960ies and 1970ies, a tiny bit after Mr Bonaparte. And supported "traditional ideas"
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
well, those people at LOT + TAROM Zurich who all the time wanted to speak French (unable to talk English or German) were in the 1960ies and 1970ies, a tiny bit after Mr Bonaparte. And supported "traditional ideas"

That does not reflect the population's view of people. It certainly doesnt demise the memories of 1939 and the French saying they will come and help (Yea they came, walking backwards with their hands up without a fight)

That was the attitude because we were shielded from America. No doubt about it that the USA is the country Poland supports more and looks up to, which I am fine with because at least Washington never has mouthed off to us even if the F-16s offsets were weak (and everyone knew it was going to be like that from the beginning)

I dont know who has a better view of this than me, find me someone on here who has lived half their life here in the USA and half in Poland and is a dual citizen and goes back between the countries quite often.
 
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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 16):
Washington never has mouthed off to us

just back to my post. I was the one who had to go to these offices, as the others did NOT like to talk French.
and now to your info. While it is obvious to me that people in Poland have mixed feelings in regard to both Russia and Germany, I am a bit surprised that things like "mourir pour Danzig ? " had long term effects in that way. That the Polish-US-relations are close is simple to understand for whomever has realized how many people of Polish origin live in the USA. BUT, who has "mouthed off to" Poland in recent years ?
 
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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):

Didn´t know Chicago was a town in Polska.

You must be talking about pole-americans, right?

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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
I will say this to you straightforward: you are an idiot who does not check his facts.

Before you start calling people idiot, you rather check out yourself the facts.
Chirac’s approval rate has actually risen sharply last month and is now at 38 %.

http://www.lesechos.fr/info/rew_france/4451581.htm

“April 18, 2003 - Poland signed a deal this Friday to buy 48 F-16 jet fighters for $3.5 billion, the biggest defence contract by a former Soviet bloc country since the end of the Cold War.”


Poland became officially member of the EEC on April 1 st 2004 but had the assurance that it would become member already four years before that date.

The matter is not a pure matter of dates but a matter of perception within Europe. And fact is, that many believe Poland has stronger ties with Chicago,
Tel Aviv and Washington than with Brussels. It must have gone down like olive oil in Warsaw , when Donald H. Rumsfeld called Poland part of the “New Europe” while the core-countries ware called “Old Europe”…
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
BUT, who has "mouthed off to" Poland in recent years ?

Chirac's "opportunity to shut up" will be remembered for a long time over here.

IMHO France just can't get over the fact Poland is undoubtedly another middle-to heavyweight player on EU's turf - with low likelihood of subscribing to the Franco-German vision of the EU. They can ridicule and marginalize it the way Beaucarie just showed us because Poland's economic handicap is certainly a problem
Of course, its strong links with the US - regardless of White House admin. - make it even worse.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
While it is obvious to me that people in Poland have mixed feelings in regard to both Russia and Germany

I don't know about Poland but we have an old legend about two brothers, Czech a Lech. Czech like that Rip hill near (future) Prague so he decided to settle with his tribes there because he felt the area is abound with "milk and honey" (IMO it was code name for hops and malting barley Big grin). Lech went up more north and settled in the baltic lowlands. Geopolitically speaking it was not the smartest decision by either one of them, although Czech's was even more stupid because he didn't notice the land where he settled has no goddamn sea!
 
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
Poland became officially member of the EEC on April 1 st 2004 but had the assurance that it would become member already four years before that date.

Please refer us to the specific provision of the EU accession treaty which stipulates that "from now on thou shall buy only Airbus and/or Dassault and/or EADS".  Yeah sure

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
The matter is not a pure matter of dates but a matter of perception within Europe.

You meant perception in FRANCE or the corridors of EU-city in Brussels, right? Hate to break it you but EU is NOT Europe. The sooner you realize you French DO NOT speak on behalf of the whole Europe the better.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
And fact is, that many believe Poland has stronger ties with Chicago,
Tel Aviv and Washington than with Brussels

And? See no problem in that. If anything I'd rather question France's ties with Ramallah.
 
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
And fact is, that many believe Poland has stronger ties with Chicago,

well, I do NOT claim to be a Poland expert, but it is obvious to me that there hardly is a city outside Poland with so many people of Polish origin than Chicago. What is so bad about it ? With Poland inside the E.U., Chicago in a way becomes part of the E.U. !

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 20):
France just can't get over the fact Poland is undoubtedly another middle-to heavyweight player on EU's turf - with low likelihood of subscribing to the Franco-German vision of the EU.

But France is NOT the E.U.. As Mrs Thatcher already in about 1990 explained, both Britain and the smaller "already-members" and "will-be-members" will profit from an enlargement of the E.U., as such an enlargement will reduce the overwhelming power of that amazing French-German axis. Poland is NOT the only European country buying military hardware in the USA, so that I canNOT quite see the problem.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
also glad Donald Tusk did not win, he is a german guy and his family helped the SS in World War 2. Screw him.

Hmm, do you belief in any propaganda so easily? I guess you like Andrzej Lepper & Co because he has also easy answers...

One of Tusk's grandfathers was forced into the Wehrmacht. While his other grandfather and grandmother were detained in the KZs Stutthof and Neuengamme - I wouldn't call that "his family" helped the SS...

And how would this make him a German guy?

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Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 10):
16-20 years old and so into polish politics.

Way to go B4!

A shame you couldn't even name a city in Poland outside Warsaw or Krakow at your age. Go away putz. Adults are talking here.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Excusez -but without money from french and other Europena tax-payers Poland could not have bought american planes...
Chirac had all the rights in this world to criticise Poland for it's less than "eurofriendly" behavior since their entry into the EEC.
If you accept money from other people ,you also must accept their criticism..

Where the F*ck did the ascension treaty stipulate that Poland had to buy only Airbus/Dassault, etc!? Get over it Frog! Explain why Poland bought Spanish transports...or German tanks recently! They've bought what suits them from whatever country can provide it...and until France produces something that Poland finds useful, Poland will continue to spend wisely the money granted to them by the WHOLE EU, not just France, which greedily hoards it for CAP.

Chirac's comments were assinine...right down to the level of Bush...and highlights the problem with the French people...they are arrogant...they see themselves as all of Europe...ironic they dig at the Yanks for their own arrogance problem...eh?

Chirac's a class A dipshit...whose comments about British and Finnish cooking led to a bad case of "foot-in-the-mouth" disease concerning the judges for the IOC and the selection of London for the 2012 games.

For a man who is so internationally focused...he has a nasty tendency to shoot his mouth off...he's missed DOZENS of opportunities to shut the feck up.

It's almost a fair wager that despite WW2, most Poles still like Germany more than France...

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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
But France is NOT the E.U.. As Mrs Thatcher already in about 1990 explained, both Britain and the smaller "already-members" and "will-be-members" will profit from an enlargement of the E.U., as such an enlargement will reduce the overwhelming power of that amazing French-German axis. Poland is NOT the only European country buying military hardware in the USA, so that I canNOT quite see the problem.

A level head...this logical thought path alas would get it lopped off via Guitine on the streets of Paris.  Yeah sure
 
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
just back to my post. I was the one who had to go to these offices, as the others did NOT like to talk French.
and now to your info. While it is obvious to me that people in Poland have mixed feelings in regard to both Russia and Germany, I am a bit surprised that things like "mourir pour Danzig ? " had long term effects in that way. That the Polish-US-relations are close is simple to understand for whomever has realized how many people of Polish origin live in the USA. BUT, who has "mouthed off to" Poland in recent years ?

Chirac, and Schroeder.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
Poland became officially member of the EEC on April 1 st 2004 but had the assurance that it would become member already four years before that date.



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
“April 18, 2003 - Poland signed a deal this Friday to buy 48 F-16 jet fighters for $3.5 billion, the biggest defence contract by a former Soviet bloc country since the end of the Cold War.”

Oh my. If we bought them in 2003 and we joined in 2004 the money started coming in AFTER 2004. Who do you work for? Wachovia deferred payments or for JCPenny dishing out 48 month no payments and no interest plans?

Quoting Pelican (Reply 23):
Hmm, do you belief in any propaganda so easily? I guess you like Andrzej Lepper & Co because he has also easy answers...

It is "believe" and I just said that Kwasniewski was an ex-commie, by that you could infer that I do dislike the left and far left...which includes lunatics like Lepper. I simply do not know where in god's name you inferred that I like people like that.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
But France is NOT the E.U.. As Mrs Thatcher already in about 1990 explained, both Britain and the smaller "already-members" and "will-be-members" will profit from an enlargement of the E.U., as such an enlargement will reduce the overwhelming power of that amazing French-German axis. Poland is NOT the only European country buying military hardware in the USA, so that I canNOT quite see the problem.

I agree with you, the air forces and armies of the EU are filled with US Arms, where is the outcry about Danish ordering the C-17s?

Quoting Pelican (Reply 23):
One of Tusk's grandfathers was forced into the Wehrmacht. While his other grandfather and grandmother were detained in the KZs Stutthof and Neuengamme - I wouldn't call that "his family" helped the SS...

That is the story that Newsweek Poland and CBS News fed, but that is not the story everyone believes in Poland but ok whatever, anyone in Poland who had honor during that time would AND DID die rather than join the SS.

"The Polish version of Newsweek wonders whether the Nazi-era Wehrmacht army will have a say on Poland’s fate again. All that in connection with allegations made by Lech Kaczynski’s election campaign chief Jaroslaw Kurski that Tusk’s grandfather had voluntarily served in Wehrmacht.

In the row that ensued, Kurski was thrown out from the Law and Justice but Newsweek believes it unlikely that the attack on Tusk was devised without Kaczynski’s knowledge. The weekly reveals its findings that Tusk’s grandfather had indeed served in Wehrmacht but says that he does not need to be ashamed. Tusk’s grandfather was forcibly enlisted. "

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
You meant perception in FRANCE or the corridors of EU-city in Brussels, right? Hate to break it you but EU is NOT Europe. The sooner you realize you French DO NOT speak on behalf of the whole Europe the better.

Excellent statement.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 20):
IMHO France just can't get over the fact Poland is undoubtedly another middle-to heavyweight player on EU's turf - with low likelihood of subscribing to the Franco-German vision of the EU. They can ridicule and marginalize it the way Beaucarie just showed us because Poland's economic handicap is certainly a problem
Of course, its strong links with the US - regardless of White House admin. - make it even worse.

Again, excellent. I think that with these new biometric passports and influx of workers to UK and Ireland Poland will join the VISA Waiver program (probably along with Czech Rep, Slovakia, Baltic states and Hungary) and then it will be even a stronger tie. I know it hurts France a whole lot and pisses their Xenophobic selves off that there are such strong Polish-US ties.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 20):
I don't know about Poland but we have an old legend about two brothers, Czech a Lech. Czech like that Rip hill near (future) Prague so he decided to settle with his tribes there because he felt the area is abound with "milk and honey" (IMO it was code name for hops and malting barley ). Lech went up more north and settled in the baltic lowlands. Geopolitically speaking it was not the smartest decision by either one of them, although Czech's was even more stupid because he didn't notice the land where he settled has no goddamn sea!

We have the same legend, but in our legend it is Czech, Lech and Prus...I think you might have Prus in yours also but you forgot about him! LMAO at the sea comment.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 18):
Didn´t know Chicago was a town in Polska.

You must be talking about pole-americans, right?

The joke ongoes that Poland will become the 51st or 52nd state depending if the damned Puerto Ricans make up their mind.  Wink

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Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:31 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
BUT, who has "mouthed off to" Poland in recent years ?

Chirac, and Schroeder.

Chirac has his qualities but is a "heavy-minded" French nationalist, and Schroeder is a nice guy but what I would call a "beer-table politician". So that I would recommend the Poles NOT to take their "trash-talking" too seriously. Please abstain from head-butting, it is bad style !

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
Poland is NOT the only European country buying military hardware in the USA, so that I canNOT quite see the problem.

I agree with you, the air forces and armies of the EU are filled with US Arms, where is the outcry about Danish ordering the C-17s?

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I remember that "official France" when Switzerland ordered F-18 instead of a "European choice" were far from amused, and French media grumbled and niggled for a few days about that "small more special than special" neighbour, but nobody felt really impressed. You should take French "considerations" in an appropriately relaxed way.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
Chirac has his qualities but is a "heavy-minded" French nationalist, and Schroeder is a nice guy but what I would call a "beer-table politician". So that I would recommend the Poles NOT to take their "trash-talking" too seriously. Please abstain from head-butting, it is bad style !

Schroeder is an idiot and so is Chirac. If both go to hell, I wont care.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
I remember that "official France" when Switzerland ordered F-18 instead of a "European choice" were far from amused, and French media grumbled and niggled for a few days about that "small more special than special" neighbour, but nobody felt really impressed. You should take French "considerations" in an appropriately relaxed way

That is irrelevant, Switzerland is not in the EU.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:34 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 27):
I remember that "official France" when Switzerland ordered F-18 instead of a "European choice" were far from amused, and French media grumbled and niggled for a few days about that "small more special than special" neighbour, but nobody felt really impressed. You should take French "considerations" in an appropriately relaxed way

That is irrelevant, Switzerland is not in the EU.

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WRONG! Switzerland
A) is linked to the E.U. by a number of bilateral treaties, meaning that trade (except agricultural products) is as free as INSIDE the E.U., that E.U. norms and laws and regulations were and are gradually adopted
B) Switzerland is a founding member of the European Council
C) Switzerland now is becoming part of the Schengen-zone
D) Switzerland is member of most European organisations, ranging from air-traffic and road-traffic to space exploration
E) Border regions in and around Switzerland have numerous special agreements like the "Region Genevoise" which is INSIDE France
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So that such things and considerations are most extremely relevant indeed
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:29 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 27):
That is irrelevant, Switzerland is not in the EU.

I'd say "in" pretty much exactly describes Switzerland's status regarding the EU...! Big grin
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:13 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 28):
A) is linked to the E.U. by a number of bilateral treaties, meaning that trade (except agricultural products) is as free as INSIDE the E.U., that E.U. norms and laws and regulations were and are gradually adopted
B) Switzerland is a founding member of the European Council
C) Switzerland now is becoming part of the Schengen-zone
D) Switzerland is member of most European organisations, ranging from air-traffic and road-traffic to space exploration
E) Border regions in and around Switzerland have numerous special agreements like the "Region Genevoise" which is INSIDE France

No your wrong. Switzerland is not in the EU. It does not have the same tax dispersments or funds that EU members have. I dont care if its a member of the Schengen zone, what do airport borders have to do with farmers and industry directly funding foreign industry.

Here is a map of the EU to refresh your memory:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
I'd say "in" pretty much exactly describes Switzerland's status regarding the EU...!

LMAO! That is humor I can appreciate!
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
Im also glad Donald Tusk did not win, he is a german guy and his family helped the SS in World War 2. Screw him.

Total nonsense bullshit and lies.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 9):
Poland's dislike of France, could very well grow...but then they'll just have to take a number in that arena.

The twins dislike anyone other than themselves slowly leading Poland into isolation.

What is the worst they are absolutely sick for power. More, more, more power. There should be no single instutution that is independent from twins. They take over everything destroying young democracy that was built over last 15 years.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:50 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 31):
Total nonsense bullshit and lies.

The bullshit and lies came from his campaign and his positions on subjects.

Quoting Danny (Reply 31):
They take over everything destroying young democracy that was built over last 15 years.

What the hell are you talking about? That was done by Lech Walesa, the ultra man of power and then sudden failure (magical on how he was the one who talked and supported Tusk before the elections), who didnt do SHIT to remove the left and the communists when he went into power. Finally now the left ex-communist are feeling the pain and the scandals come out.

Sorry, Im not saying the twins are any good, but so far the country is not going down the shitter. (Or at least deeper into shit)
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:19 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 30):
I dont care if its a member of the Schengen zone, what do airport borders have to do with farmers and industry directly funding foreign industry.

People in Switzerland, whether Swiss or foreigners, DO care, because taxpayers money from Switzerland, in the EU framework goes to "Eastern" countries like Poland, people here DO care because EU laws have taken over, people here have to care because THE important decisions are done in Brussels, people in Switzerland DO care as what goes on in the EU goes on in Switzerland as well, and people HAVE to care because Switzerland is far more integrated into the EU than many EU members. "industry directly funding foreign industry" is exactly what also happens in Switzerland. Swiss farmers until fairly recently were heavily protected and now increasingly come under pressure the more Switzerland integrates into the EU. The Schengen-Zone is in many ways FAR MORE important than mere "membership". I do NOT care much about theoretical things like memberships but about practical aspects like Schengen. Another PRACTICAL aspect is that people can pay with Euro in many shops (the major retail chains but also small shops) in places like Zurich, Geneva, Basel and Lugano. Such aspects ARE important. I think, the PRACTICAL aspects are those which count, NOT the theoretical ones.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 27):
Schroeder is an idiot and so is Chirac. If both go to hell, I wont care.

I sign that.

Anyway, it is amazing to read all this and to see how much this thread goes off topic.

The article in the TAZ (whose political line I do not share, but I stand behind them and defend their riight to publish that little joke) was about the twins and that they resemble potatoes. Furthermnore, one of the twins lives with his mother (they are in their mid-fifties) and that without a wedding licence.

Someone said that this kind of jokes about politicians are written every hour on the US. Right so, in Germany as well and it does not matter if it is a nasty story or a nasty caricature.

Now, after the storm broke loose, TAZ apologized for the joke. To the potato of course, who else?

That pi..ed the twins off even more and they have the state attorney involved now. They do not realize that they make themselves a butt for jokes by the way they handle this. A wise politician simply ignores caricatures, better collect the worst ones hangs them on his office wall. The twins want to hang the journalists.

Poland deserves better than these morons. Politicians without any sense of humour are dangerous. Us Germans can tell that story.



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Danny
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:03 pm

Tusk is not German, neither his family was. His grandfather lived in Free Town Gdansk which the IIWW started about. He was forced into logistics unit of wermacht. He had no choice other than die. He never fought for Germany - was just digging and doing other simple works.

I don't see how this disquakifies Tusk as a candidate for President. He would be a million times better than the twins.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 31):
The twins dislike anyone other than themselves slowly leading Poland into isolation.



Quoting Danny (Reply 31):
What is the worst they are absolutely sick for power. More, more, more power. There should be no single instutution that is independent from twins. They take over everything destroying young democracy that was built over last 15 years.

Hey, I'm not defending them...indeed, I even said they need thicker skin. However, I doubt it will get that bad...they will try...but fear of slipping into another totalitarian system, be it communist, ultra right-wing, whatever, hopefully will abate that.

This incident in particular should make them pretty embarassed within their own borders. Kaczynski's gonna be a one termer. Any party who comes in on the pledge to clean things up usually does so...by inadvertantly putting the dirt on themselves and getting voted out.

Tusk should consider a 2010 run.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 34):
Poland deserves better than these morons. Politicians without any sense of humour are dangerous. Us Germans can tell that story.

Amen, see my first reply in this thread. AND, don't forget that Polish newspapers are no less tactful when it comes to poking fun at foreign heads of state...the potatoes are a wee bit hypocritical here...

Fireproofing is cheap though...the German embassy in Warsaw can be decked out in a week...nothin' to worry about.  Wink Just ease up on the cartoons, you guys ain't Danish for cryin' out loud. Big grin

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RE: Poland's Politician Caricatures

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:04 pm

Of course, the UK was more than happy to see Poland, and the other ex Eastern Bloc states, join the EU.
Poland's large population in particular.
Because it all amounts to undermining the French grip on the EU, their desire not to reform fast enough, to set all the agendas.
It has been said the UK EU entry was 'a replacement for Empire', not it wasn't, but maybe that's true of France.
 
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RE: Poland's Politician Caricatures

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:09 pm

I have a lot of Polish friends and I feel sorry for them. The twins don't represent the real Polish people.

Quoting Skyman (Reply 4):
That is total nonsense. I feel sorry for our neighbors.

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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
and -as Chirac told them- they missed a great opportunity to shut up

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RE: Poland's Politician Caricatures

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting Rammstein (Reply 38):
sorry for them. The twins don't represent the real Polish people.

hardly. But I would NOT equal lack of humour with criminal offences. What matters is how they govern, and that is something our Polish friends might tell us about.

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