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BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:40 am

The light for the airbag has been on. I took in the M car to get oil changed. They look at light. The battery in the airbag is dead. My BMW replacement plan doesn't cover the cost of the battery. $700 to replace! I contaced BMW North America direct with a certified letter asking them to replace the battery free of cost on grounds of product liability. I didn't threaten them, just asked them for what I think I'm entitled as a BMW owner.  bouncy 

Thoughts?

ye ole M car.


me.



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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

No one is entitled to free airbag replacements.
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:53 am

I predict they repond like the guys in the BMW commercial:

"You've presented some very challenging ideas."

which really means your idea will die a slow death.  Sad  Smile  Smile
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:56 am

I asked GMC to replace my airbag, but they said my mother-in-law was not covered.  Sad
 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:02 am

You failed to mention the age of the car and if it is covered under your warranty or not.
 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
My BMW replacement plan doesn't cover the cost of the battery. $700 to replace!

Maybe you should've read the fine print? If its out of warranty, its out of warranty.
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:19 am

Is the car still under the factory warrenty? Do you have an extended warrenty? No to both. Dust off your checkbook. BMW owes you nothing.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:36 am

I have to agree with the responses above. If it's not covered, it's not covered. It sucks, and we all try to find reasons for manufacturers to pay for defects outside of warranty coverage, but at the end of the day, they're simply not liable.

And $700 isn't much for an M3 owner  Wink
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 8):
You've got an OLD beemer M3 which has finally shit in it's nappy, just as all 3-series cars eventually do!

And every other car on the market! My rover sport gave up the ghost earlier this year before i bought the new focus.. maybe i should of wrote to rover asking them to replace the engine!  rotf 

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 8):
You've got an OLD beemer M3

Old? They are still selling those, it's not possible to differentiate it with brand new M3's other then the discontinued Laguna Seca blue color.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:10 am

Another M3 owner here    but mine is an old E36 (95...which I'm proud of...I worked hard for it). Hey anyone want to trade me their euro motor for my S50B30US (241 hp)?? Huuuh???   

If your M3 (beautiful btw) is under warranty (like others have said) it should be covered. If not I think $700 might be overpriced. I'd reccomend searching around first. Are you a member of E46fanatics.com, or bimmerforums.com, or any other BMW forum? There are lots of helpful guys who know a lot about BMW's. They have subforums for M3s too. Hope that helps.

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
My BMW replacement plan doesn't cover the cost of the battery

That's a shame!

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
$700 to replace

Sounds about right to me, from a BMW dealer anyway! As said previously, time to dust off your chequebook, if the moths haven't eaten it that is!

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
just asked them for what I think I'm entitled as a BMW owner

You're entitled to nothing more than any other car owner would be, unless you've paid for an extended warranty.

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Disclaimer: I love my car more than anything in the world (earthly possessions!)

If that really is the case, then why are the front wheels covered in brake dust? Or is that just the light?

 Wink

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Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:09 am

Frankly, there is probably nothing wrong with your airbag to begin with.

Besides, what makes you so special because you own a BMW? I would say that if you can't afford $700 you can't afford the car.

That is unless, of course, Daddy bought it for you!  Big grin

(I like the color though!)
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):

Thoughts?

Based on your car and the garage it's sitting in, $700 seems like nothing for you... Makes me regret not aspiring to be a FedEx ramper  Wink
 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 13):
Frankly, there is probably nothing wrong with your airbag to begin with

Unlikely, but try crashing into a wall at 30mph to test it!

 

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Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 3):
I asked GMC to replace my airbag, but they said my mother-in-law was not covered

 rotfl 

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Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:18 am

There is a chance that your dealer is trying to scam you. There are many reasons that your Airbag light can come on. Here is a tool that will allow you to determine whether or not there is something seriously wrong with your system. If there is nothing wrong it will reset that pesky light for you.  Smile

http://www.bimmerzone.com/BMW_SRS_Airbag_reset_tool.htm

BTW, I am no expert....but I thought that airbags do not need a battery to operate.
 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 3):

Brilliant ! My colleague calls his wife the handbrake because she stopping hims buying almost everything.
I thought I was wrong but I was only joking!
 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 17):
I thought that airbags do not need a battery to operate.

Airbags need a backup power source in case the primary power system fails as a result of the crash. The backup only needs to last for a couple seconds, so a capacitor storage device is used on many cars. Apparently BMW has a fancy battery backup. Contrary to what the OP said, the battery is not in the airbag, it's in the trunk.
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:46 pm

Some of y'all are being real shit hooks.

He's not presented himself as anything above everyone else because he drives a BMW. As a BMW owner, he should feel entitled to proper treatment by his car's manufacturer. As stated, he didn't threaten the company, and it sounds like he is willing to take his losses if he receives unfavorable feedback.

I am a Dodge driver and think that I am entitled to good treatment from Dodge/Daimler Chrysler (or whatever they're called now, lol). That being said, I don't think it makes me better than ANC just because he drives a POSFDT.

Now then, Sisters, please replace your rulers into their scabbards and let us return to our schoolwork.

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:05 pm

The car is a 2004, under full factory warranty. I've also purchased a BMW certified extended warranty.

They showed me the battery light at BMW of Austin and told me it needs a new airbag. The majority of replacements plans for cars (I'm told) don't cover airbags. Insurance doesn't even cover it. My ex-girlfriend has the same problem with her VW Jetta. Sounds like a scam to me...

The car was a early college graduation present. I don't have tons of money to blow on spare parts. I'm almost finished with two college degrees and hold down a job at FedEx. I don't take anything for granted.  Smile

Was just looking for anyone out there that has has similar problems with airbags.

Thanks for all feedback guys/gals.  Smile
 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:38 pm

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 20):
That being said, I don't think it makes me better than ANC just because he drives a POSFDT.

At least you know your place in life . . .  wink 

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 20):
He's not presented himself as anything above everyone else because he drives a BMW

Agreed . . . seriously . . . the thought never entered my mind . . .
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:01 pm

The airbags aren't covered on the warrantee. I had a problem with it about 2 years ago. I had a 330Ci Convertible and I hit a hard edge on the road (constructiong) and it wasn't covered under my insurance. Had to pay about $3000 for the airbag replacement on the passenger side. It sucked.

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 20):
The car was a early college graduation present.

I knew it!  bouncy 

Kudos for admitting it.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting FXramper (Reply 20):
I'm almost finished with two college degrees and hold down a job at FedEx.

Congrats for when you finish.  trophy 
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22):
Had to pay about $3000 for the airbag replacement on the passenger side. It sucked.

Last car I bought the salesman offered me a 'free' driver's side airbag. I said I didn't want one, and he broke down and told me that it was already fitted. I told him to disconnect it - for exactly that reason. I'm happy to trust my own driving and the seatbelt, I don't want the extra worry of driving around with what amounts to an 'unexploded bomb' eight inches from my face.

As far as I know airbags weren't designed as a safety measure, they were an administrative compromise because the US federal authorities were told at one time that laws requiring the wearing of seatbelts were 'unconstitutional.'

So, FXramper, one possible answer is to ask yourself if you've ever NEEDED an airbag, and if you drive badly enough to make it likely that ever you will? And if the answer is 'No' to both questions, consider just having the thing de-activated?
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 24):
As far as I know airbags weren't designed as a safety measure, they were an administrative compromise because the US federal authorities were told at one time that laws requiring the wearing of seatbelts were 'unconstitutional.'

Just ask a certain A.net forum member from the UK where he thinks he would be today if his Tillie hadn't been airbagged.

Airbags don't replace seatbelts, they complement them to provide optimum crash protection.

It is however true that pax airbags are less useful as they don't have that pesky steering column to deal with.

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 24):
As far as I know airbags weren't designed as a safety measure, they were an administrative compromise because the US federal authorities were told at one time that laws requiring the wearing of seatbelts were 'unconstitutional.'



Quoting NAV20 (Reply 24):
I'm happy to trust my own driving and the seatbelt, I don't want the extra worry of driving around with what amounts to an 'unexploded bomb' eight inches from my face.

Big mistake. Whatever the US politics may have been, airbags save a lot more lives than they're endangering (it happens, but very rarely). Of course they only make sense when you're wearing your seat belt at the same time, but the bizarre mythologies which some people adhere to are simply not realistic.

Both seat belts and airbags give the best protection from your own mistakes but also from those of the other drivers and other factors (road damage, deer etc.).

It would be stupid to disconnect it (if it's even legal). And, of course, your insurance is almost certain to refuse coverage of your own injuries sustained as a consequence.

But maybe it's for the best to let evolution run its course...!  mischievous 
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:56 pm

Airbags aren't a legal requirement in this country, Klaus, they're an option.

Have you ridden in an American car recently? If you have, no doubt you'll have pulled the sun-visor down and read the warning on the back of it? It warns you that the 'safety devices' (to wit, the airbags) can be actively dangerous, particularly to children. One of those lovely bureaucratic foulups when the legislators meet themselves coming back.......

Personally I'll take my chances without one. In more years of driving than I care to count, all over the world, I've never even needed a seatbelt yet.
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 27):
It warns you that the 'safety devices' (to wit, the airbags) can be actively dangerous, particularly to children. One of those lovely bureaucratic foulups when the legislators meet themselves coming back.......

That is the whole problem with your litigation-crazy society: You're drowning in warning labels, which leads some people to believe that the probability of the events covered by those warning labels was frighteningly high. In reality, they are mostly extremely rare cases which just have happened to have been the object of a lawsuit in the past.

Yes, you can die because of an airbag misfire. But no, when you're properly strapped in, it is much less likely than being saved by an airbag.

Death by airbag is very, very rare; Survival by airbag is very, very common.

You need to distinguish between a possibility (which is what the warning labels are about), and a significant probability (which is why the airbag is there in the first place).
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 24):
Last car I bought the salesman offered me a 'free' driver's side airbag. I said I didn't want one, and he broke down and told me that it was already fitted. I told him to disconnect it - for exactly that reason. I'm happy to trust my own driving and the seatbelt, I don't want the extra worry of driving around with what amounts to an 'unexploded bomb' eight inches from my face.

As far as I know airbags weren't designed as a safety measure, they were an administrative compromise because the US federal authorities were told at one time that laws requiring the wearing of seatbelts were 'unconstitutional.'

As someone who's had their face and probably life saved by an airbag, I feel very sorry for any passengers who ride in your vehicle. You might think you're a safe driver, heck you might even BE a safe driver, but you have absolutely no control over the drunk who hits YOU head on at 60mph.

I would rethink you're position on this, or at least never carry any passengers in your car.
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:18 am

You might actually open yourself for litigation in case a passenger gets hurt by your car having the airbag deliberately disabled. You can be sure that your insurance won't cover their injuries either!
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
I contaced BMW North America direct with a certified letter asking them to replace the battery free of cost on grounds of product liability.

Having worked for customer care centers that deal with letters, I can tell you that sending certified letters and correspondence to high-ranking executives is the biggest waste of time and resources. Your letter is probably being handled by some lowly customer service rep who couldn't care less that you want your battery replaced. The only way customers got what they wanted was when they nagged enough or contacted the BBB. Keep us posted!
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
But maybe it's for the best to let evolution run its course...!

Ah yes, Darwin at his finest! Probably not enough chlorine in the gene pool!

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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:28 am

Oh this is no problem at all...take it to a KIA dealer instead. They specialize in these kinds of interiors...

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
My BMW replacement plan doesn't cover the cost of the battery. $700 to replace!

Who the hell told you that? A $700 battery? If you are currently visiting your parents in California Drew, IM me and we will take care of that issue in an instant.
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 24):

Last car I bought the salesman offered me a 'free' driver's side airbag. I said I didn't want one, and he broke down and told me that it was already fitted. I told him to disconnect it - for exactly that reason. I'm happy to trust my own driving and the seatbelt, I don't want the extra worry of driving around with what amounts to an 'unexploded bomb' eight inches from my face.

I don't understand why would you do this or why Australia doesn't require airbags in their cars. Here in the United States, you must have dual airbags, and many mid-size and some entry level cars come with side airbags. Curtain airbags are becoming more and more common.

I'm not sure what you're worried about. As long as small children (especially those in car seats) are in the back seat and you're ten inches away from the airbag, there won't be a problem.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 24):

As far as I know airbags weren't designed as a safety measure, they were an administrative compromise because the US federal authorities were told at one time that laws requiring the wearing of seatbelts were 'unconstitutional.'

So, FXramper, one possible answer is to ask yourself if you've ever NEEDED an airbag, and if you drive badly enough to make it likely that ever you will? And if the answer is 'No' to both questions, consider just having the thing de-activated?

I'm not too familar with the history of airbags, but now you must use seatbelts nationwide. Remember, SRS stands for Supplementry Restraint System - we know today that airbags do not replace seatbelts.

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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
Death by airbag is very, very rare; Survival by airbag is very, very common.

Sadly, we have the same issue with seatbelts as well and many idiots who refuse to wear them because they could get trapped in a one in a million crash and die by fire or drowning. Personally, I deal with this issue by always carrying a knife; problem solved(plus it's handy for many other tasks).
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RE: BMW Wont Replace My Airbag.!.!

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 36):
Death by airbag is very, very rare; Survival by airbag is very, very common.

Saved my ass, or I should say face, twice once in my car, once in a friend's.

Most of the airbags I deal with have a backup power source that is a capacitor. I don't have any advice for changing the battery. If it were me I would try to find some service info and try doing it yourself. I teach auto shop and am a ASE master technician. I work on lots of things I have never seen before, many technicians do, but having the right service info makes the job easier.

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 18):
Contrary to what the OP said, the battery is not in the airbag, it's in the trunk.

If it is in the trunk how hard could it be to change.

I have an old Mercedes-Benz diesel and it is the easiest car I wrenched on. Parts are somewhat cheap too. I have run into other people who have them and they are paying huge prices to fix their old MB diesels.

You want to talk pain in the butt and costly. The VW Toureg has to have the engine removed to change the starter. Yikes!
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 37):
You want to talk pain in the butt and costly. The VW Toureg has to have the engine removed to change the starter. Yikes!

Different setup, different labor. Ever tried to change spark plugs on some of the recent years of Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep? Hoo---ahhh the whole engine needs to be lifted off the mount sometimes.

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