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Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:04 pm

Very interesting video from BBC NEWS Online

Basically the Evangelical Christians of the USA believe that for the Second Coming, Israel must be in the land of the Jews. Jews must all return to Israel (eventually) and the God / Jesus will come and rule over us and stuff.

I say hoorah for Roman Catholicism (of which I am one)
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
I say hoorah for Roman Catholicism (of which I am one)

Yeah. It's weird when even the catholics look sane by comparison...!  mischievous  Big grin
 
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Basically the Evangelical Christians of the USA believe that for the Second Coming, Israel must be in the land of the Jews.

Yes, the next time you hear that the "Jewish lobby" exists only in NY, L.A., and FL, and has little influence on American politics, remember this video.

I believe Israel has a right to exist and support it.

Evangelicals believe Israel needs to exist in order to fulfill bible prophecy, and they are a powerful lobby within American politics.
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Basically the Evangelical Christians of the USA believe that for the Second Coming, Israel must be in the land of the Jews. Jews must all return to Israel (eventually) and the God / Jesus will come and rule over us and stuff.

Yep...I dropped out of Church many years ago after they kept on saying we need to get the Arabs out and stuff. I got tired of the crap and left and never returned. My personal faith is still intact and unchanged, but I don't need someone preaching non-violence and at the same time saying it's fine to take any steps necessary to remove the Arabs so the Jews can return.
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Yes, the next time you hear that the "Jewish lobby" exists only in NY, L.A., and FL, and has little influence on American politics, remember this video.

Don't you mean "lots of influence"?

But nice Westy, that post could easily have been my words!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Evangelicals believe Israel needs to exist in order to fulfill bible prophecy, and they are a powerful lobby within American politics.

There are estimated to be 40-60 million Evangelical Christians in the United States (versus 5-6 million Jews for comparison). They have certainly emerged as a powerful political force in American politics in recent times and support of Israel is perhaps their most important issue (more than even abortion, yes). It is also estimated that a quarter of Congress is Evangelical.

That political analyst in the video was spot-on...If it weren't for American Christianity, support of Israel would barely exist in this country except in the Jewish community, which is of course not even 3% of the population.

President Truman is only recorded as crying in public four times--all four times were related to his support of the rebirth of Israel. Truman of course was a lifelong avid Bible reader and viewed himself as a modern-day Cyrus. There are many similar examples of this in US-Israel relations and I have no doubt that Bush has special thoughts over his handling of Israel when he reads the Bible every morning, as he supposedly does.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Basically the Evangelical Christians of the USA believe that for the Second Coming, Israel must be in the land of the Jews.

But it's also interesting to note that they don't believe they can hasten the return of the Messiah...They believe that God operates according to a plan and that nothing they can do will hasten the plan. So all of their support for Israel is not in order to hasten the return of the Messiah (because they don't think they can do that), but because they believe their support is an integral part of the plan that will eventually allow the Messiah to return.
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Don't you mean "lots of influence"?

I could go look it up in previous threads, but I'm virtually positive that the argument put forth in the context I used it, is that the 3% Jewish population in the U.S. exert little influence on politics outside of the 3 geographic areas I listed.
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousi

Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
.If it weren't for American Christianity, support of Israel would barely exist in this country except in the Jewish community, which is of course not even 3% of the population.

I'd venture to say "fanatical Christians in the US" as opposed to American Christians, as there are even many "Bible" Christians that use the voice of reason as opposed to simply pure "faith" with a passion.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
There are many similar examples of this in US-Israel relations and I have no doubt that Bush has special thoughts over his handling of Israel when he reads the Bible every morning, as he supposedly does.

Indeed and that's why he acts in accordance to God's directives and actually had to bite his tongue after the "crusade" speech!!

Quote:

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act..." -G. W. Bush (--Ha'aretz, 06/25/2003

That's downright scary! If he's got "plans" for the Middle East - anything similar to Iraq then we, as humanity, are in for it. ... you see, fanatical Christians butting heads with fanatical Muslims isn't exactly a good mix .... In chemistry terms it's like putting pure sodium into water.

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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Very interesting video from BBC NEWS Online

Basically the Evangelical Christians of the USA believe that for the Second Coming, Israel must be in the land of the Jews. Jews must all return to Israel (eventually) and the God / Jesus will come and rule over us and stuff.

I say hoorah for Roman Catholicism (of which I am one)

I just watched this on BBC. Very shocking but not surprising, Neocons have been supporting the forced expulsion of native Palestinians from Palestine since the early 20th century.

Most americans are not religious but sadly those in power (or who want to REMAIN in power) dare not question this fanatical mission of supporting Israel at any cost....

The question is until when will the world sit back and watch this Judeo-Neocon project they call "The New Middle East" unfold.
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RE: Evangelists: Israel Must Exist For The Parousia!

Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:50 am

If you analyse history,religion or religion related claims have been the trigger for millions of deaths - where I live,close the the "Cathar" country in the soth of France,the roman catholic church has killed 40 000 people in the 13th century because of "Catholic heresie ". And this follie leaves a long and blody trail throughout history.
Once people will start to learn to make a difference between spirituality and religion- a quantum leap in reasoning would be achieved.
But the religious leaders are very well aware about the power they have in their hands ,by manipulating brainwashed people,who associate religion with peace. This goes for ALL religions !
Karl Marx was fully right when he wrote that religion is like Opium for the people.

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