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Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:47 am

Would seem she has ruffled some feathers.

''Palestinian media use racist terms including 'colored dark skin lady''

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284271,00.html
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:58 am

Those horny Arabs are just getting excited seeing Condi's shapely chocolate cream legs in high heels. They're all confused now - do we hate her, or do we keep staring at the black woman's legs?

Needless to say, they were worse on Madeline Albright. To them she was just that "Jew lady."

And she didn't even have sexy legs.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:00 am

Not nice, but still next to nothing compared with some of the extremist propaganda that's being spread.

Condi's main problem in the region is that she's perceived as the post(wo)man delivering the ultimatums of Israel, nothing else.

The USA need to step out of that role if anything is to be achieved.
 
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:20 am

"" out of respect for her femininity and her intelligence."
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and lots of "lady" etc . Some bad jokings true, some opposing her working for that particular boss, but clearly lots of respect for the person as such. Not exactly "political correctness" but NOT really racist. And Mr Abbas again has kissed her at least twice, and has been as charming with her as before, the same with Mr Siniora. People in the area DISlike her "messages" and her boss, but quite well accept her as a person.
 
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
The USA need to step out of that role if anything is to be achieved.

This is why you hear the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" refrain so often.

At this point, I agree that someone else ought to step in and take a leadership role.

But if the US stands down, critics in the US will be thick as thieves, wailing about the administration's failure to work in a multilateral manner.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
This is why you hear the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" refrain so often.

Its a bit more complex than that.

The Bush White House's policy w.r.t the Israel-Palestine issue in the past was a "lets not interfere" policy, in stark contrast to the prior administration. Now while the Clinton White House didn't exactly achieve much either w.r.t Israel and its neighbors, at least the US was deeply entrenched and involved in a negotiation strategy. Post 2000, the complex role the US played was obliterated. Now, its just all too late. We haven't bothered to engage with the principal players in the Middle East (Hamas, which in spite of its hateful ideology, was still democratically elected, or Iran). The idiotic policies adopted by this White House may not have created this mess, but they've made a mockery of any constructive role we can play. You don't sit around like a prima donna and say you won't negotiate with the enemy. The USSR was a far worse enemy than the ratty hezbollahs of the world are, and we negotiated with them fully.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 5):
Its a bit more complex than that.

I realize that, and agree with most all of your analysis. Substance aside, we thend to get criticized when we do engage, and criticized when we don't engage.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 5):
Its a bit more complex than that.

I realize that, and agree with most all of your analysis. I was merely making the observation that in general we tend to get criticized when we do engage, and criticized when we don't engage - regardless of the political party in control of the WH at the time.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
I realize that, and agree with most all of your analysis. Substance aside, we thend to get criticized when we do engage, and criticized when we don't engage.

Rubbish!
When you're doing nothing or create additional problems you'll certainly be criticized either way - just like anybody else.

What I always find sort of amusing is that the option of doing the right thing apparently isn't an option for those whining about criticism.

If you can't face, distinguish between and properly deal with justified or unjustified criticism, you should simply go home and curl up in bed.

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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting BotsCom (Thread starter):
''Palestinian media use racist terms including 'colored dark skin lady''

Funny. People who are colored with dark skin, making racists remarks like that. Incredibly hysterical.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
The USA need to step out of that role if anything is to be achieved.

Riiight. Who's going to step into that role? Germany? Russia? China? Riiight.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Condi's main problem in the region is that she's perceived as the post(wo)man delivering the ultimatums of Israel, nothing else.

The USA need to step out of that role if anything is to be achieved.

Klaus, what's in it for us?

What in the hell is wrong with asking everyone to sit down at the table and disarm and come up with something more than the usual Friday at the mosque bullshit? I don't see that. Hell, Hezbollah's already proclaimed victory.

If you do not have cooperation from the other side there will be no peace that is more than the two minutes between the 10th and the 11th round of a prizefight. In short, what everyone's asking for is a unilateral cease fire from Israel because they know that Hezbollah will laugh in their faces.

More bullshit from the 'arab street' about how we don't deserve to live and how the trees and rocks will cry out there's a jew behind me come and kill him, I suppose.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):

This is why you hear the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" refrain so often.

At this point, I agree that someone else ought to step in and take a leadership role.

But if the US stands down, critics in the US will be thick as thieves, wailing about the administration's failure to work in a multilateral manner.

isn't it the other way around when GWB wanted "free elections" in Palestine/Gaza..only to see his archenemy, Hamas win?

Can't have it both ways....they won the elections, and this administration should deal with them..I think the Clinton Administration would have...
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 10):
Klaus, what's in it for us?

The USA, Europe and much of the rest of the world are constantly paying the price for the unresolved middle-east conflict: literally, politically and in blood.

We all need the madness to stop, but the USA with their extra-close relationship with Israel have both better options to influence and more to gain from a resolution.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 10):
What in the hell is wrong with asking everyone to sit down at the table and disarm and come up with something more than the usual Friday at the mosque bullshit? I don't see that. Hell, Hezbollah's already proclaimed victory.

Hezbollah is no real negotiating partner; It may come to that, but they are merely a front for syrian and iranian interests, leeching off the palestinian issue and the last (and now the current) israeli invasions of Lebanon as an energy source.

Israel, the PLO and Hams have put a lot of effort into the prevention of any meaningful negotiations, for their own respective reasons. But ultimately there is no way around negotiations in good faith (also mostly not the case in the past) between a palestinian representation and Israel.

Hezbollah needs to be subdued and ultimately dried out; Unfortunately the current war is propping them up as the main force in Lebanon vs. Israel, while marginalizing the actual lebanese government. Very stupid move to make.  crazy 
 
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 10):
What in the hell is wrong with asking everyone to sit down at the table and disarm and come up with something more than the usual Friday at the mosque bullshit? I don't see that. Hell, Hezbollah's already proclaimed victory.

Sort of pathetic isn't it?

The Arab world has subjugated its people for so long that the only "achievements" they can feel proud of is to start a pointless war by kidnapping 2 Israelis, and then act like they've achieved something by standing up to Israel. No matter that any sane person would have realized that since 2000, Israel has had a "take no hostages" attitude, and that cold-blooded militarism has been its policy. If shelling Israel with rockets, while Israel pulverizes Lebanon to bits and kills civilians with impunity is Hezbollah's idea of victory, then its a pretty pathetic one indeed. Someone needs to tell Hezbollah that they're cowards of the worst kind.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Isn't it the other way around when GWB wanted "free elections" in Palestine/Gaza..only to see his archenemy, Hamas win?

Can't have it both ways....they won the elections, and this administration should deal with them..I think the Clinton Administration would have...

I wouldn't deal with them, Jacobin, as long as their goal is the destruction of Israel, and as long as they don't disavow terrorism. Until then, they're a terrorists "state" just like Iran.

And you want it both ways. You want to critisize your own country no matter what the hell it does. That's so pathetic.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Hezbollah is no real negotiating partner; It may come to that, but they are merely a front for syrian and iranian interests, leeching off the palestinian issue and the last (and now the current) israeli invasions of Lebanon as an energy source.

Israel, the PLO and Hams have put a lot of effort into the prevention of any meaningful negotiations, for their own respective reasons. But ultimately there is no way around negotiations in good faith (also mostly not the case in the past) between a palestinian representation and Israel.

Hezbollah needs to be subdued and ultimately dried out; Unfortunately the current war is propping them up as the main force in Lebanon vs. Israel, while marginalizing the actual lebanese government. Very stupid move to make.

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Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
We all need the madness to stop, but the USA with their extra-close relationship with Israel have both better options to influence and more to gain from a resolution.

But is anyone trying to influence Hamas/Hezbollah towards a peaceful resolution? You need both sides to negotiate in good faith.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
isn't it the other way around when GWB wanted "free elections" in Palestine/Gaza..only to see his archenemy, Hamas win?

Can't have it both ways....they won the elections, and this administration should deal with them..I think the Clinton Administration would have...

If the Palestinians elected Hamas, then they should learn how to deal with that problem, instead of blaming others for their decision.
 
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 15):
But is anyone trying to influence Hamas/Hezbollah towards a peaceful resolution? You need both sides to negotiate in good faith.

Sure, but as I've said above, Hezbollah is no real negotiation partner. The only negotiations with them will be about temporary issues such as prisoner exchange.

Actual negotiations need a real partner such as a proper lebanese government or an elected palestinian leadership.
 
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:45 am

I actually agree with Klaus for once!

The USA needs to back completely away from this whole middle east situation. Let the Israelis, Hamas, Hezbollah, Shi'ites, Sunnis, Iranis, Syrians... all do what they want.

Let the USA close it's borders and go isolationist for a couple of decades.

Let the Europeans, Asians, and Middle Easterners deal with their own problems.

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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 17):
The USA needs to back completely away from this whole middle east situation. Let the Israelis, Hamas, Hezbollah, Shi'ites, Sunnis, Iranis, Syrians... all do what they want.

Running away from the problem now won't work either. We all have no choice but to help a solution along.
 
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 1):
Needless to say, they were worse on Madeline Albright. To them she was just that "Jew lady."

And she didn't even have sexy legs.

I think her legs are sexy.....

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
What I always find sort of amusing is that the option of doing the right thing apparently isn't an option for those whining about criticism.

If you can't face, distinguish between and properly deal with justified or unjustified criticism, you should simply go home and curl up in bed.

Problem solution is not for sissies.

OK...but once again...what's the solution to this situation?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Actual negotiations need a real partner such as a proper lebanese government or an elected palestinian leadership.

There is a proper government in Lebanon, but it's constantly undermined by the presence of an armed group supported by the neighboring nations. There is an elected Palestinean leadership that has taken the idiotic stance of aggression towards Israel seemingly incapable of singing any other song.

If someone could make it clear to the people who live in Lebanon and the Palestineans of the formerly occupied territories that life will be so much better with democracy and peace and then have the clerics back such an idea we'd be much better off.

Anyone have any idea how to convince the Palestineans that Israels not going to go away?

Or that the only way to gain peace is to desire it without making it come at the cost of the destruction of your enemies, but at the conversion of them to friends?
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
What I always find sort of amusing is that the option of doing the right thing apparently isn't an option for those whining about criticism.

What I always find sort of amusing is that some people are convinced there is always an easily defined "right thing" to do.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
If you can't face, distinguish between and properly deal with justified or unjustified criticism, you should simply go home and curl up in bed.

I've never advocated that option. We have to remain engaged.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
We all need the madness to stop, but the USA with their extra-close relationship with Israel have both better options to influence and more to gain from a resolution.

Haven't we all learned that a solution dictated by force or power is not a viable long term solution?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Hezbollah needs to be subdued and ultimately dried out; Unfortunately the current war is propping them up as the main force in Lebanon vs. Israel, while marginalizing the actual lebanese government. Very stupid move to make.

So how do we subdue Hezbollah?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 15):
If the Palestinians elected Hamas, then they should learn how to deal with that problem, instead of blaming others for their decision.

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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Hezbollah needs to be subdued and ultimately dried out; Unfortunately the current war is propping them up as the main force in Lebanon vs. Israel, while marginalizing the actual lebanese government. Very stupid move to make.

I agree that it was a bad move to take on Lebanon but one in which the outcome was as predictable as sure as God made little green apples. The doctrine of massive retaliation has been public policy in Israel for the last thirty years. It's not like Mr. Nasrallah did not know what was going to happen when he tipped over the applecart.

Someone in Lebanon has to realize that, and place the blame where it ultimately lies. It's great propaganda to get someone to commit something atrocious, y'know? But ultimately, anyone in Lebanon with two or three functioning brain cells will figure "Hey. These people fucked us and wiped their dick on the drapes. Damn!"

We're all being treated to the usual "Well, this, that or the other thing won't play well on the arab street, you watch, it'll make them wild and crazy guys, things will get even worse for Israel! Boosh! Boosh! Everything is his fault! Boosh!"

How in the hell could this get any worse? What can Israel do or ever did do to make friends with the Arabs? How could their opinion be any lower? I mean, with all the trees and rocks singing a merry tune, "hey, over here! The jews are hiding here!" it's hard to believe that anything good is ever going to come out of that region.

The older policy of exploding cellphones was a much better way of dealing with these folks.

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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:35 am

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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:31 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
I wouldn't deal with them, Jacobin, as long as their goal is the destruction of Israel, and as long as they don't disavow terrorism. Until then, they're a terrorists "state" just like Iran.

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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:40 pm

Pity no SOS in years has had the respect Kissinger had.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 17):
Let the Europeans, Asians, and Middle Easterners deal with their own problems.

You can not let the Middle East deal with their problems alone - the Europeans set up the borders in a quite artificial way (Balfour Agrements ) in 1920. Most ME countries call for mediation themselves upon certain European counties and are aware they are-at this stage - not in a position to dialoge openly between all invoved parties.
In that respect Germany has a quite balanced attitude and never cut ties with neither Iran and Syria.
Syria is too easily put in the dark corner of terror but plays a pivotal role in having the issues resolved.If Damascus is to change into a more proactive role,things can develop positively.
But you need to overcome resistance and dare to consider them as potential part of the solution -not permanently as core of the Problem.
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RE: Palestinians Use Racist Language Against Condi

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:24 pm

In order to prevent a lot of duplication, and in order to prevent the arguments spiralling out of control, we have decided to create four official threads to deal with the current conflict involving Israel and Lebanon in the Middle East. Please find these discussions here:
Official Middle East Situation Report Thread (by Moderators Aug 1 2006 in Non Aviation)
Official Sympathy For Israel Thread (by Moderators Aug 1 2006 in Non Aviation)
Official Sympathy For Lebanon Thread (by Moderators Aug 1 2006 in Non Aviation)
Official Middle East Conflict Discussion Thread (by Moderators Aug 1 2006 in Non Aviation)

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