QANTASforever
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How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:52 am

Hi everyone,

I'm off to the USA at the beginning of next year, and am going to travel around the southern states. I've always admired New Orleans and have always wanted to go there, but of course the hurricane did make me postpone my plans. Are things getting back to normal? Is it a good place for a tourist visit, or should I hold off?

Thanks,

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:19 am

My dad was visiting there a little over a month ago. Most of the heavily affected areas are still in ruins (from what I saw in the video he took), but rebuilding is underway. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that said rebuilding is being done to give the displaced residents new homes.
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter):
I'm off to the USA at the beginning of next year, and am going to travel around the southern states. I've always admired New Orleans and have always wanted to go there, but of course the hurricane did make me postpone my plans. Are things getting back to normal? Is it a good place for a tourist visit, or should I hold off?

My brother was there last week. Many of the larger hotels still rely on portable air conditioning units, and as other posters have noted, most of the heavily damaged areas haven't been rebuilt.

Which is a good thing, since development should never have been permitted in the lower ninth ward and most of east New Orleans in the first place.

If you go, you will probably find some excellent deals on lodging, and the food in New Orleans has always been outstanding. Just don't expect everything back to normal.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:22 pm

They're giving it a good effort but overall, the picture's still poor. Hurricane season is here and there's a concern that this season may compound the situation there. New Orleans will recover eventually but it will never be the same. Right now, historic St. Charles Avenue is still pretty tangled up and it will likely be a year or more before that streetcar line reopens. Rebuilding the lesser damaged areas and returning the city so a reasonable sembalance of normalcy will take 3-5 years. Of course, that is assuming that there is no damage from the current storm season.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 3):
Hurricane season is here and there's a concern that this season may compound the situation there

True, and that's very sad! I wonder what the gov't is gonna do to prevent such a nightmare from happening again?!

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:38 pm

Recent article from the AP on this topic.


I'm planning a trip in September there.

Where are our resident NOLAers; Tom & Steve ?
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:49 pm

FlyingTexan, long time no see! How've you been?

NOLA will come back bigger and better than before, but it is going to take years, if not decades.

That being said, the city is up and running for tourism...some restaurants and hotels are still closed and some have limited operating hours.

Lots of music clubs are open...museums...the zoo...casino...aquarium...Mississippi River steamboats....riverfront and Canal streetcars...French Quarter tours....etc.

Come on down for a visit, believe me, the city will APPRECIATE your business!
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:11 pm

I've been reading some of the municipal progress reports, and it seems like things are very slowly getting back to normal. I've decided to go.

I'm really looking forward to it, I just hope that Rue Bourbon doesn't look too different from how I've always pictured it!

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:24 pm

I have three contacts down there, two living there and one working with FEMA.

The effort to tear down the houses in the 9th ward is going RIDICULOUSLY slow. A buddy of mine that owns a excavating company told me that they will get an order to tear one house down at a time on a block where every house needs to come down and they must be careful not to "damage" the remaining houses that will come down eventually anyway. This is wasting huge amounts of time. He said one house was sandwiched between two others all three way off their foundations and they were ordered to only remove the middle one. Crazy.

Another buddy is working in the neighborhoods that had just a few feet of water and he told me that there are so many houses that can be saved it will take years. Materials are so hard to come by I just sold him my 20' cargo trailer so they can make runs to Texas or Alabama on the weekends. The number of kitchen cabinets alone that they need is insane.

As far as the flood control goes, nothing much has changed yet. The nightlife is slowly returning, and there is some tourist activity again too, which is helping the economy. They think that NO will end up about half the former population.

Thats all pretty much all I know.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 7):
I just hope that Rue Bourbon doesn't look too different from how I've always pictured it!

The French Quarter wasn't affected much by Katrina. IIRC they barely had any flooding in there. Areas like the Lower 9th Ward wouldn't have been places you would have gone anyways but you will still see a fair amount of damage while there.

Do be careful though while there. Crime flowed freely through NOLA even before Katrina and still does to this day.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:40 pm

A little more dumpy and seedy than its usual dumpy and seedy self.

Man, there are better places in the US to go have fun. Try "Meeeameee Beeeatch" or Washington "The Real Chocolate City" DC!
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:43 pm

One more thing, the Super Dome is almost ready, and the Saints will play there this year.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 10):
A little more dumpy and seedy than its usual dumpy and seedy self.

Man, there are better places in the US to go have fun. Try "Meeeameee Beeeatch" or Washington "The Real Chocolate City" DC!

Yeah, just don't go to Puerto Rico, what a shi*hole! Miami too...oh wait, they have South Beach...wow, I'm jealoous! Not really.

Obviously you haven't spent a lot of time. Your loss.
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 10):
A little more dumpy and seedy than its usual dumpy and seedy self.

Man, there are better places in the US to go have fun. Try "Meeeameee Beeeatch" or Washington "The Real Chocolate City" DC!

Yeah, just don't go to Puerto Rico, what a shi*hole! Miami too...oh wait, they have South Beach...wow, I'm jealoous! Not really.

Obviously you haven't spent a lot of time in New Orleans. Your loss.
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
Do be careful though while there. Crime flowed freely through NOLA even before Katrina and still does to this day.

Yeah, I've heard that.

Do you have any specific advice on how to stay safe while in N.O.?

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
Yeah, I've heard that.

Do you have any specific advice on how to stay safe while in N.O.?

QFF

While in the French Quarter, stay close to the river. Don't go more than one or two streets north of Bourbon, and one or two streets east of Dumaine. Don't venture more than a block off of St. Charles until you get to Riverbend/Tulane U area. Don't visit the historic cemeteries around dusk.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:08 am

We were there a month ago on a weekend stopover. French Quarter is coming back strong. Lots of people around Jackson Square and on Bourbon. Plan on eating early, most restaurants close very early, like around 7pm. Those that are open are crowded and the menus are limited. You can venture uptown along St. Charles but I would advise against going anywhere else on foot. If you want to tour the damaged areas get a rental car and buy the insurance.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 11):
One more thing, the Super Dome is almost ready, and the Saints will play there this year.

Is the roof going to be that funky silver color or have they put another coating on it since we were there?
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
Do you have any specific advice on how to stay safe while in N.O.?

What Halls120 said is good advice.

If you are standing in Jackson Square and looking at the cathedral you will want to stay out of the upper right quadrant of the Quarter at the very least.

If you wander down into the Warehouse District on the other side of Canal Street don't go farther than the Robert E. Lee Monument.

Be very careful in the cemetaries even during the day and don't go alone.

Stay out of the Lower 9th Ward at all costs.

Stick to the main touristy areas in the Quarter and Garden District. That's where you will find cops and be a little safer.

Have fun though. When are you planning on going? I would wait until at least October just to escape some of the humidity. No offense to NOLA but given the fact they are below sea level it can be a little smelly with sewage during the summer months.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:19 am

My brother is down there right now. I'll try calling him tomorrow, see what it's like. He'd volunteering in the upper 9th Ward, I think, tearing down and rebuilding houses.

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Have fun though.

lol - in spite of the apparent security concerns I shall try!

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
When are you planning on going?

In February. I'm going through Atlanta, New Orleans, and El Paso in the southern states, and quite a few cities in the north (LA, NY, DC, Chicago).

Should be fun.

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 19):
lol - in spite of the apparent security concerns I shall try!

Don't let them scare you off. While the city does have its share of crime, 99.9% of it occurs in areas where you won't be anyway. Just like in any big city, don't wander off alone at night down a dark alley, etc. Enjoy your time in our city...enjoy its history, food, music, architecture. I'm downtown basically everyday at random times and I feel completely safe.
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:29 pm

See article in today's New York Times. In brief, cocaine and heroin problems have escalated and murder rate has increased since Katrina.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 4):
I wonder what the gov't is gonna do to prevent such a nightmare from happening again?!

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 19):
and quite a few cities in the north (LA, NY, DC, Chicago).

LA = Southwest



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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 19):
In February. I'm going through Atlanta, New Orleans, and El Paso in the southern states, and quite a few cities in the north (LA, NY, DC, Chicago).

You picked a nice time. February on the Coast will be cool. Be careful with the weather as we do get ice storms during that time that will screw everything up. Up north though you'll freeze your butt off. Have fun while you're here.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 10):
A little more dumpy and seedy than its usual dumpy and seedy self.

That's a low blow considering what New Orleans has been through. So you're from PR? How's San Juan these days? Dumpy? Seedy?

I see.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:28 am

There is an article in today's Dallas Morning News saying all the drug dealers are back from Houston. They have more potent drugs, more drugs and all have closer ties with the big drug cartels now. So people are worried that there could be a big problem there.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 23):
LA = Southwest

Of course, and I do know this.

In all I'm going to:

Tahiti, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, Milwaukee, New York state (all across), NYC, Washington DC, Atlanta, New Orleans, El Paso and San Diego.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 24):
Be careful with the weather as we do get ice storms during that time that will screw everything up. Up north though you'll freeze your butt off.

That should be quite a novelty for an Australian!

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 27):
That should be quite a novelty for an Australian!

They're a novelty even for us and that's after having a couple of them a year. The hilarious thing is when the damn Yankees that move down from the North think they can dive on the ice and end up wrecked in a ditch on the side of the road.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 7):
I'm really looking forward to it, I just hope that Rue Bourbon doesn't look too different from how I've always pictured

If you want cheap t-shirts with funny phrases along with a whole bunch of really drunk tourists, it is perfect. Otherwise, you should head over to the Frenchman or somewhere else locals go

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Don't venture more than a block off of St. Charles until you get to Riverbend/Tulane U area.

Which precludes him from the ENTIRE Garden District. You seem to have forgotten New Orleans geography and have not been in the city in a very long time. Most of the Uptown area is fine, except for the area toward Claiborne, downtown from Felicity.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
While in the French Quarter, stay close to the river. Don't go more than one or two streets north of Bourbon, and one or two streets east of Dumaine.

Not going east of Dumaine basically precluded him from some of the best areas of the Quarter

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 16):
Plan on eating early, most restaurants close very early, like around 7pm

What restaurants do you go to, because it hasn't been like that since December.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
If you are standing in Jackson Square and looking at the cathedral you will want to stay out of the upper right quadrant of the Quarter at the very least.

Why? You and Halls must have a problem with gay people, given that that is where you are telling him not to go. Anyway, in the "forbidden quadrant" is Frenchman St. where all the locals (including straight ones like Steve and me) go.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
If you wander down into the Warehouse District on the other side of Canal Street don't go farther than the Robert E. Lee Monument.

So, he doesn't want to go to the Garden District or anywhere Uptown.  scratchchin 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
So, he doesn't want to go to the Garden District or anywhere Uptown.

Don't I? lol

What's in the Garden (of earthly delights it would seem!) district and Uptown that I would either avoid or have to see?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
If you want cheap t-shirts with funny phrases along with a whole bunch of really drunk tourists, it is perfect. Otherwise, you should head over to the Frenchman or somewhere else locals go

I intend to do both! I do want to see Bourbon Street (as most tourists do), but I'm also very keen to see the REAL New Orleans.

Also - thank you all so much for your extremely detailed advice. It's much appreicated!

Next up are the Atlanta and El Paso threads....... :P

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Don't venture more than a block off of St. Charles until you get to Riverbend/Tulane U area.

Which precludes him from the ENTIRE Garden District. You seem to have forgotten New Orleans geography and have not been in the city in a very long time. Most of the Uptown area is fine, except for the area toward Claiborne, downtown from Felicity.

That's right. I want him to remain safe. That's why I said to stay close to St. Charles. Would I venture farther afoot? Maybe, but I know the city. A tourist doesn't.

As far as most of Uptown being "fine," I know friends who would beg to differ. Ones that lived 3 blocks away from St.Charles, and dealt with repeated breaking and entering problems.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
While in the French Quarter, stay close to the river. Don't go more than one or two streets north of Bourbon, and one or two streets east of Dumaine.

Not going east of Dumaine basically precluded him from some of the best areas of the Quarter

As long as you stay close to the river, one can go east of Dumaine. But not in the heart of the Quarter. Unless you are asking to get mugged, of course.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
If you are standing in Jackson Square and looking at the cathedral you will want to stay out of the upper right quadrant of the Quarter at the very least.

Why? You and Halls must have a problem with gay people, given that that is where you are telling him not to go. Anyway, in the "forbidden quadrant" is Frenchman St. where all the locals (including straight ones like Steve and me) go.

Ah, when all else fails, N1120A brings out the unwarranted and erroneous "you must not like gays" allegation. Never stick to the facts when a personal attack is warranted, eh? Unless you can document any post on Anet where I've have even remotely suggested that I don't like gays, I expect a full and prompt apology.

You obviously don't understand. YOU are a local. YOU have better situational awareness than a tourist. Delta and I are simply advising a visitor how to be safe. You want to tell him to live dangerously and go where the locals all go, be my guest.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
What restaurants do you go to, because it hasn't been like that since December.

Well these were taken in March on the west bank.....






We were there in July and that same restaurant still had that same sign up. Shoneys was still doing a buffet. The only difference was that now many of the fast food places have signs offering $9.25 an hr plus weekly bonuses. My friends who live there say there is still a chronic shortage of workers and many places still aren't offering a full menu.

Over on the east bank the garden district and the area around Clairborne and St. Charles seemed to be back in the swing of things along with the area by Jackson Square. Elsewhere it was hit and miss. With the exception of the Quarter, anything north of Canal to the lakefront was still pretty much in a shambles. City Park is reverting to what it used to be. You can still see where the fairways on the golf courses were but the courses themselves are over grown and you'd better have a ball that emits sound so you can find it if you want to play. Canal Ave up to Robert E. Lee is still a disaster zone as is every thing east of there with just a few exceptions along the lake front.


Quantasforever, I would say go. Rent a car and during the daytime you should be ok to go just about anywhere you want. By then I would assume the city will have taken some leadership and bulldozed a lot of unrepairable properties so the landscape could be prett stark.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter):
Is it a good place for a tourist visit, or should I hold off?

No need to hold off. The touristy areas are safe, clean, and fun. I doubt you will be disappointed if you make a visit to the quarter.

Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter):
Are things getting back to normal?

The greater NOLA metro area is NOT back to normal. The population is roughly half of what it was pre-Katrina, yet crime, in particular violent crime remains at pre-Katrina levels.
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 30):
I intend to do both! I do want to see Bourbon Street (as most tourists do), but I'm also very keen to see the REAL New Orleans.

Well, just get a hold of me and I will call Steve up and we will help you with just that.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 30):
What's in the Garden (of earthly delights it would seem!) district and Uptown that I would either avoid or have to see?

You wouldn't want to avoid anything. The area is famous for its lush greenery (hence the term Garden District) and old houses.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):
That's right. I want him to remain safe. That's why I said to stay close to St. Charles. Would I venture farther afoot? Maybe, but I know the city. A tourist doesn't.

Which means you are missing things like all of Magazine Street, Coliseum Square, Commander's Palace (which should be open when he visits), The Lafayette Cemetary (much safer than the ones in Mid City), among other things

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):
As far as most of Uptown being "fine," I know friends who would beg to differ. Ones that lived 3 blocks away from St.Charles, and dealt with repeated breaking and entering problems.

I live 2 blocks from St. Charles and have had nothing of the sort.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):
Ah, when all else fails, N1120A brings out the unwarranted and erroneous "you must not like gays" allegation. Never stick to the facts when a personal attack is warranted, eh? Unless you can document any post on Anet where I've have even remotely suggested that I don't like gays, I expect a full and prompt apology.

Actually it was more pointed at the other poster, but I made the implication based on the specific area the two of you said to avoid

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 32):
Well these were taken in March on the west bank.....

The Westbank isn't the City, and Popeye's isn't indicative of most restaurants. The day I got back in January, tbere were already many restaurants open till 10 or later and most now have restored their normal hours.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 33):
The greater NOLA metro area is NOT back to normal. The population is roughly half of what it was pre-Katrina,

Actually, the population of the city is about half, but the metro area has returned to full strength.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):
Ah, when all else fails, N1120A brings out the unwarranted and erroneous "you must not like gays" allegation. Never stick to the facts when a personal attack is warranted, eh? Unless you can document any post on Anet where I've have even remotely suggested that I don't like gays, I expect a full and prompt apology.

Actually it was more pointed at the other poster, but I made the implication based on the specific area the two of you said to avoid

So where is your retraction and apology for your insinuation that I was a homophobe?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 33):
The greater NOLA metro area is NOT back to normal. The population is roughly half of what it was pre-Katrina,

Actually, the population of the city is about half, but the metro area has returned to full strength.

 rotfl  Given that the City of New Orleans has barely half of its pre-Katrina population, unless you are suggesting that the missing 44% have all moved to Jefferson Parish, just how has the Metro areas returned to "full strength?"

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RAND STUDY ESTIMATES NEW ORLEANS POPULATION TO CLIMB TO ABOUT 272,000 IN 2008

The population of New Orleans will likely reach about 272,000 in September 2008 – amounting to 56 percent of the population of 485,000 before Hurricane Katrina struck in August, according to a study issued today by the RAND Corporation.

The report, produced by the RAND Gulf States Policy Institute, estimates the city's current population at about 155,000 and forecasts it will rise to about 198,000 in September. Only a few thousand people were living in New Orleans last September.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Actually it was more pointed at the other poster, but I made the implication based on the specific area the two of you said to avoid

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick! I don't hate gay folks and would expect the same requested apology out of you as well. I was just giving information based on what I have been told and experienced in the past from visiting NOLA many times on pleasure and business. At the end of the day we should all just bow down to your vastly superior knowledge of everything on A.net.  sarcastic  If you don't agree with the advice then say so but don't call us homophobic when we said nothing of the sort.

There are sections of the Quarter and the city where you just don't send tourists. I'm so sorry I offended your poor city but be honest...there are parts of NOLA you just don't go. NOLA is a great city but like any major city has its share of seedy areas.

I'll be sure to point out Atlanta's areas to avoid when his thread on that appears.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
Given that the City of New Orleans has barely half of its pre-Katrina population, unless you are suggesting that the missing 44% have all moved to Jefferson Parish, just how has the Metro areas returned to "full strength?"

And St. Tammany Parish, and St. Charles Parish, and Tangipahoa Parish. The population explosion in these places very easily accounts for 230,000 people.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 36):
I'm so sorry I offended your poor city but be honest...there are parts of NOLA you just don't go. NOLA is a great city but like any major city has its share of seedy areas.

Again, the area you specifically pointed out is the historically gay section of the Quarter. Further, it also included Frenchman Street which is a far better place to hang out than Bourbon.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
The Westbank isn't the City, and Popeye's isn't indicative of most restaurants.

I could post more pictures of more signs on more restaurants but why waste the time. I stand by my statement as of last month on both sides of the river. If you want to eat out in New Orleans you'd better do it early and be prepared for limited menu items. Not just at Popeyes, but a Shoneys and virtually all the other chains. We haven't even begun to discuss all the stores of various types that remain closed because their aren't enough workers to open them up. These are stores that didn't receive any storm or flood damage, are intact and ready to go except for one thing, the people to staff them. If you wish I can fly back over this weekend and take some more pictures.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Again, the area you specifically pointed out is the historically gay section of the Quarter.

And also a section where I know quite a few coworkers and other friends have been mugged. Gay or not I don't go there anymore.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Frenchman Street which is a far better place to hang out than Bourbon.

Since I don't go into that section I'll go with your word on it. I will agree that almost anything is better than Bourbon Street and all the tourist crap on it.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
Given that the City of New Orleans has barely half of its pre-Katrina population, unless you are suggesting that the missing 44% have all moved to Jefferson Parish, just how has the Metro areas returned to "full strength?"

And St. Tammany Parish, and St. Charles Parish, and Tangipahoa Parish. The population explosion in these places very easily accounts for 230,000 people.

As of June 2006, most population estimates put Greater New Orleans' population at approximately 1.2 million. Since in June 2003, the official estimate for the New Orleans SMSA was 1.3 million, New Orleans isn't exactly at "full strength," unless you are going to suggest that from 2003 to September 2005 the NOLA SMSA experienced a net decrease in population.

Still waiting for the apology.

waiting

waiting

waiting.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 38):
If you want to eat out in New Orleans you'd better do it early and be prepared for limited menu items.

Those of us in Jefferson Parish don't have that problem. It is chock-a-block people out here; restaurants are open until 9 or 10 at the earliest; I-10 has more traffic jams than ever; Wal-Mart is busier than ever.

Yeah, there are a lot fewer people in New Orleans proper, but a lot of them didn't set up shop in Houston, Dallas, or Atlanta.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 33):
yet crime, in particular violent crime remains at pre-Katrina levels.

It is what it is.....drug traffic crime in some of the seedier parts of town.....parts of town where Gray Line, tourists, and Steve, N1120A, and I don't frequent.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 36):
NOLA is a great city but like any major city has its share of seedy areas.

Yep, there are a lot of areas on N.O. that I won't go either.....just like there are a lot of areas of Atlanta I won't go, or Orlando, or L.A., or even my hometown community growing up, Claremont, CA.

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 27):
Tahiti, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, Milwaukee, New York state (all across), NYC, Washington DC, Atlanta, New Orleans, El Paso and San Diego.

New York state? Atlanta? El Paso? Any particular reasons, because you won't be missing much if you don't go there. If time permits, I would suggest time in Boston or New England over New York state. In the South, Memphis or Nashville would be a much more exciting place to visit, much more "southern", or somewhere on Florida's south coast (Daytona Beach or Miami) if you want a place to party.

None the less, you'll have a fun time regardless.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 33):
No need to hold off. The touristy areas are safe, clean, and fun. I doubt you will be disappointed if you make a visit to the quarter.

I'm really looking forward to it; and I do appreciate all the advice. I'm going to play it by ear when I get there. I have no doubt that the people of New Orleans are keen for tourists to stay safe, so while I do want to get off the beaten track a little, I'm planning on trusting their advice.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
New York state?

...because it's on the way from Chicago to NYC.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
Atlanta?

...because it's on the way to New Orleans.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
El Paso?

...because it's nice and close to Mexico! ~ A country I've never visited. I'm going by land (rail) across from Washington DC - Atlanta - New Orleans - El Paso - Los Angeles. It's going to be a looooong trip, but the scenery will be amazing.

By the way guys - how cheap are Air Tahiti Nui these days??? I'm paying something like AUD$1600 for a return SYD-LAX ticket with a free stop-over in Tahiti. UA had some good deals too, with SYD-LAX-Chicago, LAX-SYD for about AUD$1630; but there's no way I'm sitting in a plane from Sydney to LAX without PTVs. Forget it. I'm doing the real backpacker thing too; something I've never done before. Can't wait to see a country I've visited many times, but have never really known all that well on an intimate basis.

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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:26 am

You will have a great time in New Orleans.

The advice that N1120A has given you is good advice. He wouldn't lead you wrong, he's too good of a person....and he knows this city.

When you're down here, let us locals know, and we'd be glad to show you the sights.

New Orleans is STILL one of the few truely unique cities in America. It is worth a visit for anyone living out of the U.S. I can assure you that you won't be dissapointed.
 
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 43):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
New York state?

...because it's on the way from Chicago to NYC.

Yes, it is. Though there is a lot more to see in Central Pennsylvania then New York state (and I'm not saying that sarcastically; it's true. There is quite a lot of nice things to see in Central Pennsylvania).

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 43):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
Atlanta?

...because it's on the way to New Orleans.

So are Nashville and Memphis, where you will probably, again, find more to do and see.

None the less, you are going to have a great time, just suggesting that assuming you don't have set air or train itineraries to those areas, you will probably find a lot more to see and do in the alternatives.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 45):
So are Nashville and Memphis

Not from NYC there aren't. Not too far off the beaten path and both good choices but I have to pimp ATL a little bit.  Wink

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 45):
Though there is a lot more to see in Central Pennsylvania

A little off the straight path to NYC from Chicago but if you get a chance to visit Gettysburg I would do it. Skip most of the goofy tourist crap in town and drive and wander through the battlefield. Very quiet, historic, and moving when you fully understand what went on there those couple of days. Stand on top of Little Round Top and imagine the attack coming up the hill.

You could honestly spend weeks visiting the battlefields in that area (both Revolutionary War and War Between the States) and not run out of them. Of course I'm sure you want to see more than places where folks died fighting.

Do you have DC on your list? You really should stop there and see some of the monuments and Smithsonian museums (especially Air & Space and their Udvar-Hazy branch out at Dulles.)

So many things to see, so little time! We need to find you some good BBQ restuarants to stop at as well on the way around the Southern states.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 44):
The advice that N1120A has given you is good advice. He wouldn't lead you wrong, he's too good of a person....

Other than the fact he engages in unwarranted and unsupported personal attacks on other posters, he's a fine fellow.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 40):
As of June 2006, most population estimates put Greater New Orleans' population at approximately 1.2 million. Since in June 2003, the official estimate for the New Orleans SMSA was 1.3 million, New Orleans isn't exactly at "full strength," unless you are going to suggest that from 2003 to September 2005 the NOLA SMSA experienced a net decrease in population.

Sorry I missed those 100,000. The increase in Baton Rouge's size, which is not part of the New Orleans metro but is still dependant on the city, can accound for that

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 38):
I could post more pictures of more signs on more restaurants but why waste the time. I stand by my statement as of last month on both sides of the river. If you want to eat out in New Orleans you'd better do it early and be prepared for limited menu items. Not just at Popeyes, but a Shoneys and virtually all the other chains.

As someone who eats out almost everyday in New Orleans, I think I can handle this one.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 44):
He wouldn't lead you wrong, he's too good of a person....

Aww ::sniffle::

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 47):
Other than the fact he engages in unwarranted and unsupported personal attacks on other posters

Takes one to know one I guess. Like I said, if you really didn't mean it that way, I am sorry, but it seemed very pointed.
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RE: How Is New Orleans Doing?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 48):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 47):
Other than the fact he engages in unwarranted and unsupported personal attacks on other posters

Takes one to know one I guess. Like I said, if you really didn't mean it that way, I am sorry, but it seemed very pointed.

 rotfl  Where in my post was there ANYTHING that remotely suggested people should stay out of "gay" areas of New Orleans? If I was going to do that, I'd have simply started naming establishments, don't you think?

Your careless and cavalier assumptions about other people are simply appalling. I would NEVER accuse someone of being racist or homophobic unless I was in possession of direct evidence of same. Yet you seem perfectly willing to engage in casual name calling.

I have a suggestion for you. Next time you feel like labeling someone based on a superficial analysis of one post, have the common courtesy to do a little research into their posting history. Otherwise, be prepared to be called out for making unwarranted and unsupported attacks on others.
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