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So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:58 pm

Hi all,

Ok, so - I decided to reformat my HardDrive with Windows on, (I have 2, one with Windows, one with my photos) and with me being in a rush, and not checking which HardDrive the computer was actually formatting, it actually formatted my second HardDrive, Yes - I'm an idiot. And, No - I didn't back up.

Is there any possible way that I could recover the files off of the formatted HardDrive? I have 3 years of photo's that I don't particually want to lose! I've got a certain amount of the folders backed up, but nothing for the past year.

Hope someone can help me,

Simon.
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:26 pm

I'm not an expert but I don't believe there is a way back from this.
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:30 pm

Well in fact some software tools exist to get back lost data from your HD but you should go to a specialist to help you out on this one. Also I don't think you'll be able to get back ALL your photos but maybe some of them.
Good luck!

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:35 pm

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 2):
Well in fact some software tools exist to get back lost data from your HD but you should go to a specialist to help you out on this one. Also I don't think you'll be able to get back ALL your photos but maybe some of them.
Good luck!

Yes, I've found some software that'll "recover it" but i'm not going to risk it. I've been ringing around some places to see if they can help. Fingers crossed.

Let this be a lesson to all! Back up your photos!!
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:35 pm

I thought re-formatting the HD annihilated everything? I had a couple of viruses last year that couldn't be deleted and the only way to get rid was to re-format.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 4):
I thought re-formatting the HD annihilated everything? I had a couple of viruses last year that couldn't be deleted and the only way to get rid was to re-format

I believe, Tim, that even this extreme action is recoverable by an expert. Which is why the police and the like are able to "find" things that people like Peadophiles and whohave you try and hide/delete.

In any case, I hope you are lucky Simon and you AND OLD: Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN / ZGGG) (closed), China">CAN get at least some of your pics back.

I copy mine to an external hard drive periodically AND to disc. Apart from the safety aspect, it means I can take them elsewhere if need be.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:53 pm

Well, i've just found some software, that hopefully might do the trick. Some of you may know it, it's called RescuePro, from SanDisk. It came with one of my memory cards.

It was designed for removeable media, but hopefully it'll recover some files off of the Hard Disk.

I'll be straight out soon to buy an external HDD.
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Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 6):
Well, i've just found some software, that hopefully might do the trick. Some of you may know it, it's called RescuePro, from SanDisk. It came with one of my memory cards.

I don't wanna question your abilities with PCs but in this case you should really let someday try to recover what is to recover who knows what he's doing.

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 4):
I thought re-formatting the HD annihilated everything? I had a couple of viruses last year that couldn't be deleted and the only way to get rid was to re-format.

I'm not an expert on this but as far as I understand it, formatting an HD just kinda tells the PC that there's nothing more on your drive but in fact the data is still there somewhere.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:41 pm

First, DO NOT INSTALL ANYTHING!!!!! on that HD.

Then, think of a solution wich you are doing here  Wink
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:55 pm

Don't do anything yourself ! It will most likely cost you a small fortune, but please allow an expert to attempt any recovery procedures on your re-formatted HDD.
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Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:03 pm

ThierryD is correct, Formatting at any level does not remove the data from the drive, only marks the space on the platters in the HDD as available for data storage.

If you value your pictures, then I would suggest getting a professional to recover the disk for you! You could utilise a software recovery package available from numerous manufacturers but as with anything there is no guarantee!

I must say this on a daily basis being an IT administrator by trade!

BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!

If you value your data, back it up!

Let me know if I can help you any further.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 4):
I thought re-formatting the HD annihilated everything? I had a couple of viruses last year that couldn't be deleted and the only way to get rid was to re-format.

When you delete anything from your HDD or memory card, it's still there but is only hidden and is eventually recorded over, and at that point you cannot recover it. With a HDD I believe it's kind of the same thing, just not hidden, I believe it either decreases it, or scatters it in smaller pieces but it's the same thing, it's still accessible by someone who knows what they're doing until you record over the part of memory.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:24 pm

Get a professional to do it. I lost a 200GB drive once and i got a pro to do it. Sure it cost �450 to get the data back but the pictures have earnt me well over �5000 so it was worth it.

The specialist told me that it is very likely trying anything yourself will result in rewriting the volumes so that data is totally unrecoverable and not complete. So even if you can recover stuff yourself it will likely be corrupt and unreadable.

This is a lesson to teach you to back up your stuff.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:35 pm

Simon,

Oh, oh.......this is gonna cost you a lot of money.

Check this link for help. They have leading edge technology to recover the data.
http://www.ontrack.com

Service is fast and reliable!

and they do have some consumer tools as well for afordable prices.

I assume you have 2 partiones on your HDD. One for windows the other one for data. I am no expert, but I would recommend not to do anything with your PC at the moment. Booting your PC could make it worse, in terms of data recovery.

Good luck
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 13):
I assume you have 2 partiones on your HDD. One for windows the other one for data. I am no expert, but I would recommend not to do anything with your PC at the moment. Booting your PC could make it worse, in terms of data recovery.

Hi Vasco,

No, I currently have 2 Hard Drives, one was with Windows, and the other just with photos. I've just went and bought myself an external HDD, so it wont happen in future!

Simon.
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:30 pm

Si

Give me a few days, im back at work next week, i shall talk to our technical support department and see what they suggest , after all they are the guys that catch the above named people in reply number 5!

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Ryangooner (Reply 15):
Si

Give me a few days, im back at work next week, i shall talk to our technical support department and see what they suggest , after all they are the guys that catch the above named people in reply number 5!

Ryan

Cheers, Ry - Give us a text or something if you find out anything! I've realised i've got everything backed up until this time last year. So that makes it a little better - but, there's a folder of photo's from my trip to the USA this year, that I really want back!

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:34 am

Simon

I can vouch for Ontrack I used them this year to recover images. Cost me about £450 but i got everything back and they put the recovered data on a external hard drive for me.

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Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Stu1978 (Reply 17):
Simon

I can vouch for Ontrack I used them this year to recover images. Cost me about £450 but i got everything back and they put the recovered data on a external hard drive for me.

stu

Hi Stu,

Jesus, £450, that's a lot of money, I can't really justify spending all that though, as I said - luckily, I have 50% of it backed up already, and in the last year I haven't done that much photography. But I have a few important folders that I'll like to get back.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:39 am

Simon

I had to recover a hell of alot of mine ......almost 7gig........but at the end it was money well spent even tho a fair bit.

Like you, I had alot of important stuff on there so was very glad to get it back.

They might quote you a cheaper price as you say you only need a few folders returned so the price might well be cheaper.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Stu1978 (Reply 19):
Simon

I had to recover a hell of alot of mine ......almost 7gig........but at the end it was money well spent even tho a fair bit.

Like you, I had alot of important stuff on there so was very glad to get it back.

They might quote you a cheaper price as you say you only need a few folders returned so the price might well be cheaper.

stu

7 Gig? There was nearly 70 Gig's on this one!  Wink

I never delete my photos, so 95% of them were rubbish anyway. The thing is, i'm bound to get 1000's of photo deals now, all asking for the originals!

Ah well, Shit happens! Thank's to everyone who's given advice...
Now to format the correct HDD!  Wink

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 18):
Jesus, �450, that's a lot of money, I can't really justify spending all that though, as I said - luckily, I have 50% of it backed up already, and in the last year I haven't done that much photography

450 is still a reasonable amount, you can pay up to USD 3000.00 if you HD suffers a Head Crash.....

So if the images are important to you, I would use Ontrack or similar services.
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:00 am

You say you want your image from America back.

For a trip that cost what �1000 maybe?

Whats �450 for the memories of that trip alone? Plus all of the other photos you will get back.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 22):

Whats �450 for the memories of that trip alone? Plus all of the other photos you will get back.

Chris,

£450 may not be alot for you, but it is for me. I really can't justify spending money that I havn't got!

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:57 am

Simon

You'll need to:

1. Install the external HDD to yoiur PC,
2. Buy a decent recovery package. We use "GetDataBack for FAT" at work, and it's good. Install it.
3. Use that tool to scan, then restore your images onto the external HDD.

I can't guarantee anything, but if all you have done is a format and nothing else, you'll get everything back and it's quick and easy. No big deal once the saga is over.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:01 am

Hi Tamsin,

Will give it a go, only thing is - where Windows has tried to install on the second HDD, it's created a Windows folder, can this muck things up for me?

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:17 am

So if all the data is still there after it has been deleted, does that mean that the amount of space available on the disk is reduced?

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 26):
So if all the data is still there after it has been deleted, does that mean that the amount of space available on the disk is reduced?

Not really the place for this discussion, but!

Deleting data does not remove the data from the disks, only the references in the File Allocation Table and sets the write flag on that portion of the drive to enabled.

Data amounts are derived from available write space as shown in the FAT and not what's actually stored on the disks themselves!

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Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 25):
Will give it a go, only thing is - where Windows has tried to install on the second HDD, it's created a Windows folder, can this muck things up for me?

Ah, didn't notice that bit. The installation of Windows will have written data to the disk (obviously!). If you're lucky it will have used an area of disk which was blank before the re-format, or if you're unlucky it will have overwritten some of your data.

The positive bit is that it most likely used the beginning of the disk, and if you never delete any images, then your oldest images were most likely at the start of the disk too. If you're lucky, then your latest images have not been overwitten.

I don't believe all is lost. You need to get a piece of software installed and see what it can recover. Just make sure your recovery destination is that new external HDD, not the "broken" one!

You can use the above software to assess what can be recovered, and only pay for the software for the actual recovery.

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Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 23):
Chris,

£450 may not be alot for you, but it is for me. I really can't justify spending money that I havn't got!

Simon.

Oh no, £450 is a lot for me.

but my images to me are priceless. I would pay £1000 to get them back. The reasons for this are that they hold my best memories and they will pay back the £1000 in a few months.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:53 pm

If you've only formatted, you'll be able to regain almost all if not all of it. Try this program, Zero Assumption. It's free and it works really well for recovering images.

http://www.z-a-recovery.com/?source=i_r_about
 
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:24 pm

i had a similar problem 2 weeks back..got a new PC and removed the spare HD from the old unit, put it in the new unit and low n behold it'd decided to stop. Took it to a local tech and they said the HD is dead...Have some pics on there which i didn't back up though it wasn't major.

if i want to recover the pics here is the estimate i was given today.


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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 14):
I've just went and bought myself an external HDD, so it wont happen in future!

I chose that option a while ago, saves me a lot of burning of CD's and I can still clean up my photo collection at any time (rename, delete doubles, etc.).
I have 3 HDD's. One 40Gb internal disk for doing normal every day stuff and 2 storage 'buckets'; external USB hard drives of 200Gb and 250Gb. All my photos and other important stuff is saved on both external disks. So unless both external disks die simultaneously, it's pretty safe. ...and cheap. €100-125 per disk.

Curious to hear how the recovery is proceeding...

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:37 pm

I once recovered 17.000 photos after re-installing Windows XP.
Windows XP formatted the drive without asking before re-installing, but it was no big problem.

http://www.quetek.com/

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:51 pm

I always transfer my Pics on a CD as Back up.
In your case since you did not.I've read someplace that its can be recovered.Call the Experts.
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Thread starter):
Is there any possible way that I could recover the files off of the formatted HardDrive? I have 3 years of photo's that I don't particually want to lose! I've got a certain amount of the folders backed up, but nothing for the past year.

Yes, if you did a "quick-formatting" that doesn't erase the whole data.

I strongly suggest that first of all:
1) You make an image of the whole hard disk as a file on another harddisk or media
2) After that, and ONLY AFTER THAT, you can play with the various recovery tools. In the case they are not working or they make a mess, you can still recover the original hard disk image and restart again.
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:31 pm

Hi all, many thank's for your help. I've been quoted in the region of £400-£600, which I can't afford to pay.

I'm going to try the program Jeff mentioned, see if that helps.

Quoting Rammstein (Reply 35):
Yes, if you did a "quick-formatting" that doesn't erase the whole data.

I done a full re-format...
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 36):
I done a full re-format...

If you've done a full-format, one that takes 10 minutes or so, not only 10 seconds, it's very unlikely that you'll be able to recover anything with end-user tools.

A full-format actually writes all "zeroes" on the entire disk, before re-creating the file allocation table. A quick format only re-created the file allocation table without zeroing-out the entire contents.

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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:55 am

Good News!

I've just purchased the programme Peter mentioned called File Scavenger, it's just found 48000 photo's, which I believe is all of them!

I'm recovering them now onto my external drive. I shall be buying a brand new DVD-RW soon to replace my broken one so this doesn't happen again!

Peter, next time i'm in Finland - I'll buy you a drink!

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Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 38):
I've just purchased the programme Peter mentioned called File Scavenger, it's just found 48000 photo's, which I believe is all of them!

Congratulations!  champagne 

I wonder how was your mood when you discovered you formatted the wrong drive  Smile
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting Rammstein (Reply 39):
I wonder how was your mood when you discovered you formatted the wrong drive

I was more shocked than annoyed!  Wink
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RE: So, I Decided To Re-Format My HardDrive....

Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:45 am

You need a dual layer DVD re-writeable burner. That entire drive could have been safely backed-up to just 10 or 11 DVDs. You could also invest in Norton Ghost or a similar product....but that is for the next time. This time it will cost you plenty, unfortunately.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 41):
You need a dual layer DVD re-writeable burner. That entire drive could have been safely backed-up to just 10 or 11 DVDs. You could also invest in Norton Ghost or a similar product....but that is for the next time. This time it will cost you plenty, unfortunately.

There is formatting and there is 'wiping' data. Formatting does not eliminate all the data, wiping out rewrites everything 10-12X to make certain the data is gone.

DVDs are usually not good for backup, they are very good for archiving (data that will not be modified. The best backup option is an external hard drive. I just purchased 2 500 GB drives. Since they are not used all the time, they have a tendency to last longer.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 42):
DVDs are usually not good for backup, they are very good for archiving (data that will not be modified. The best backup option is an external hard drive. I just purchased 2 500 GB drives. Since they are not used all the time, they have a tendency to last longer.

I have been using DVD-RW for backups for a few years now with no problems at all. Using high-quality discs can yield many reliable writes/rewrites each. If ever any of them cannot be written reliably, then I am notified promptly.

Once they make a removable platter HD then we can talk.  Wink Otherwise they sit there on the drive chain (live) and ready for virus infection at any time the mainline drives get whacked. Unless of course you reach back there and unplug them when not in use.

For sensitive stuff (business items and the like) I prefer to be able to remove the data completely from the system.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 38):
Peter, next time i'm in Finland - I'll buy you a drink!

Sounds like a couple of drinks is in order.

Good news is always nice to hear. Not to sound like a get well card but, congrats on your full recovery.  bigthumbsup 
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 43):
Once they make a removable platter HD then we can talk.

They actually did a few years ago (Syquest and others), but nowadays with cheap HD prices you're better off with an external FireWire drive. Serves the same purpose.

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