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Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:32 am

By the one and only: George Galloway.
How long have I waited for someone to tell the media the kind of hideous job they are doing.

For streaming:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/vi...r/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html

For downloading:
http://skynews-clips.videoloungetv.c...skynews/latest/galloway_060806.wmv
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:41 am

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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:44 am

I couldnt agree more with what he has said!
I cringe whenever that hag comes on the telly- she is so biased- her tone, her pitch, her blatant support for Israelies! Sky news should be fair, not biased
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 2):
Sky news should be fair, not biased

Galloway mentioned Rupert Murdoch, I guess he is the owner of Sky news, I know he owns Fox, so..... I am not surprised one bit. At least Sky unlike Fox let somebody like him on their airwaves.
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 3):
Galloway mentioned Rupert Murdoch, I guess he is the owner of Sky news, I know he owns Fox, so..... I am not surprised one bit.

Not exactly. Sky News is owned by BSkyB, which is 35% or so owned by News Corp. Which means Murdoch is the biggest shareholder and has a controlling interest in Sky, but is not an outright subsidiary.

Secondly, broadcasting regulations in the UK for news channels are incredibly strict (Fox News has itself fallen foul of these regulations, which they objected to and were basically told if they wanted to broadcast in the UK, tough), and they must be impartial. How close they get to this is of course open to debate (and indeed regulatory scrutiny), but Sky is anything but a British clone of Fox.

Thirdly, where Galloway is concerned, anything but unquestioning outright support for his own views is going to be considered by him to be outrageous bias.

He's entertaining enough, that's for sure, which is why a heavyweight clash between him and someone like Jeremy Paxman is always riveting viewing, but don't mistake his pontificating and agitation for a measured critique of the media.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
By the one and only: George Galloway.

What a fool this man is. Sorry, he may bring out your message, but he is not the right messenger.
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:59 am

I think he did a fine job, yet again.  highfive  Efficiently cutting through the Orwellian mind control.....Good job George.
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:03 am

Oh come on, this guy is completely mad. As Banco said, he is entertaining but he talks complete and utter crap.

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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:10 am

I'm just watching this and it's nice to view British TV after a while.

George Galloway - what a deluded idiot. She was very patient.

Maybe we should send him to the Israeli - Lebanon border.

Israel getting "a bloody good hiding" seems to impress the man.

He and his views are irrelevant.

I agree with 777236ER

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 1):


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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 6):

Very much on the topic. And BTW were the photos showing Israeli children signing the artillery shells also forged?? All I read on this forum were people explaining and justifying it. In any case I didn't see any of them on ANY news network.

Quoting Banco (Reply 4):
but Sky is anything but a British clone of Fox.

I didn't pass judgement on Sky. What I said was that they at least let someone like him on the air. So if anything this one clip proves Sky, regardless of it bias is better than Fox. It is almost impossible to top Fox and it will be a tragedy if somebody did it.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
but he is not the right messenger.

Quite strong feelings he stirs in everyone. I personally wouldn't mind anyone speaking the right things though I may need to know more about him but that's not the issue here.
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 9):
She was very patient.

Very patient and quite when Galloway asked her to say the name of ONE member of the family butchered on the Gaza beach.

Quoting Christa (Reply 8):
Oh come on, this guy is completely mad.

As I said above, he seems to bring extreme reactions by others, though I am not agreeing with you, I would appreciate even a mad man when he says something right.
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:57 am

Gotta love that interview. He ripped her a new one... and he had very many good points. I saw it earlier this morning and really was surprised at how he really went at it. I've never seen him before, but apparently he has a reputation for a strong opinion on the matters. He is angry, and rightfully so...its hard not to ramble when you're mad. But the system is so frustrating, to see the kind of spin all news put on these stories. I cant blame him for being sick of it.

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Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:37 am

Glad to see this link being circulated. She is hopelessly outgunned on facts and ideology, but she doesn't concede defeat. He's a hero and this is brilliant telly.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 8):
He and his views are irrelevant.

Oh dear god. I am unimpressed.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:04 pm

This guy is a boob. I can see how he was making valid points for one side but this whole clip is just him calling her a silly person and and just yelling over her. When he says that the US is arming Israel with missles to attack the whole muslim world you know that this guy loses all credibility. He is a man with an agenda....thats it.
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 13):
When he says that the US is arming Israel with missles to attack the whole muslim world you know that this guy loses all credibility.

Listen again, he says the US is supplying missiles that can be used to attack the whole muslim world. This is the truth JFK....the range of these missiles is well known and documented.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting Raffik (Reply 2):

Don't be naive. Almost everyone's biased in this conflict-Sky for the Israelis, the Arabic news channels for Lebanon. Sky at least isn't showing pictures and speeches out of context, but at least Al Jazeera hires people who can actually do the job of a news presenter.

BBC seems to be pretty fair............
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
By the one and only: George Galloway.
How long have I waited for someone to tell the media the kind of hideous job they are doing.

Just for the theatre I will be eternally grateful Bravo45! It might be interesting to collect a best of interviews for George G, I guess the US interrogations on oil for food would figure there.

What Banco says about BSkyB is technically correct, and there may be some independence from Fox, but look again at who the CEO is, none other than James Murdoch. The Dirty Digger does not let the scions off the leach much. Remember that Lachlan left executive posts (although he remains on the main News board), presumably not because the lunches were of poor quality!

Whatever else, I go back to the theatre of it. There should be more Galloways around to put interviewers in their place(s).
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 12):
He's a hero

Are you  crazy  or just  drunk ?
He's an idiot, an embarrassment to Scotland.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
What Banco says about BSkyB is technically correct, and there may be some independence from Fox, but look again at who the CEO is, none other than James Murdoch.

Yes, and I remember when he was appointed. There was considerable unease about the appointment, and Murdoch had to go around the shareholders and convince them that it was a reasonable appointment. It wasn't a fait accompli. As I said, a controlling interest, not a subsidiary.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:41 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 18):
As I said, a controlling interest, not a subsidiary.

Of course that's true, but amongst Newscorp's news outlets, there does seem to be a general 'Newscorp-view' that prevails throughout. That might be because it's aquired papers, TV channels and magazines that follow the general political view of those already owned by Newscorp. But it might be signs of some degree of editorial control being carried about above each individual element.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19):
Of course that's true, but amongst Newscorp's news outlets, there does seem to be a general 'Newscorp-view' that prevails throughout. That might be because it's aquired papers, TV channels and magazines that follow the general political view of those already owned by Newscorp. But it might be signs of some degree of editorial control being carried about above each individual element.

No, they just can't do that. It's against all the regulations and would get leapt on. What you get is the Newscorp printed media doing a lot of pro-Sky stuff because they don't have the same restrictions on them, but if you watch Sky television the same is not true in reverse. It couldn't be, they'd get slaughtered for it.

Think about the heavy discussion and criticism the BBC get for their coverage, and that's an organisation that works ridiculously hard to try to be as impartial as possible. Now imagine what would happen if there was blatant bias in Sky's coverage.

Sky News is a pretty tabloidy approach in the way that they cover the news, but it is still pretty politically neutral, simply because they don't have a choice in the matter. No doubt Murdoch would love them to be able to back a cause, but they can't.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 20):
but if you watch Sky television the same is not true in reverse. It couldn't be, they'd get slaughtered for it.

I'm not talking about Sky taking a pro-Newscorp view, but rather taking a very similar general political view to the other Newscorp organisations.

Quoting Banco (Reply 20):
Think about the heavy discussion and criticism the BBC get for their coverage, and that's an organisation that works ridiculously hard to try to be as impartial as possible. Now imagine what would happen if there was blatant bias in Sky's coverage.

I support the BBC more than most, but even I have to admit that a lot of the checks and balances at the BBC came in only after the Hutton report.

I'm not talking about blatent bias, but implied or percieved bias. The BBC tend to go to their Lebanese correspondents first. You could say this is because Lebanon is the country that's being attacked, but you could also claim that it shows BBC bias towards the Lebanese side.

Sky interviewed Galloway, who is an extreme-left caricature. You could say by interviewing such an extremist, they're ridiculing the left, in the same way that Bill O'Reilly tends to interview those on the fringe of the left wing. But you could also say that by interviewing Galloway, they're giving the left a voice.

From the Ofcom code:

Section 3.1 IMPARTIALITY

“It is for each licensee, acting through the executives who commission and schedule programmes, to ensure the service they provide deals fairly with matter of political or industrial controversy, or current public policy”.

3.4 NEWS

“In addition to the general requirement relating to matters of political or industrial controversy or current public policy, the [Broadcasting] Act require that any news, given in whatever form, must be presented with due accuracy and impartiality.

“Reporting should be dispassionate and news judgement based on the need to give viewers and even-handed account of events. In reporting of matters of industrial or political controversy, the main differing views on the matter should be given their due weight in the period during which the controversy is active. Editorial discretion will determine whether a range of conflicting views is included within a single news item of whether it is acceptable to spread them over a series of bulletins.”


Giving political matters 'their due weight' is about as ambiguous as you can get. An 'even-handed account of events' means one view can be presented first, giving a percieved bias. It's explicitely acceptable to air only one side of an argument in one bulletin. While the spirit of the Ofcom regulations is that there should be no bias, it allows broadcasters quite a lot of leeway in their reporting of the news.

A difference in the reporting style of Sky could be because they want to provide a counterfoil to the BBC. But it could also be a sign of editorial control from Newscorp itself.

If you were to give Sky a place on the political spectrum, you'd certainly say it was more right than left. Is it a coincidence that all of Newscorp's other companies tend to be more right wing, too?

Quoting Banco (Reply 20):

Sky News is a pretty tabloidy approach in the way that they cover the news, but it is still pretty politically neutral, simply because they don't have a choice in the matter.

Sad, maybe, but I wrote to Ofcom a few years ago complaining about a piece I saw on Fox that displayed clear bias (it was about boycotting French products). Their reply said that whilst their code outlawed bias in factual reporting, it didn't outlaw bias in editorials. Furthermore, 'editorials' didn't have to be explicitely stated as being so. They felt that a show with a distinct and constant anchor, could include elements of editorial along with the reporting of facts.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:50 pm

Actually I completely support his point of view. It really is disturbing the bias of the western news companies. Hey, I am even against the Russian coverage of the events. To get the full picture, if you want to watch CNN or Sky, then also read Al Jazeera and combine what you see on Sky and Al Jazeera, then you are a little closer to the truth.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
I'm not talking about Sky taking a pro-Newscorp view, but rather taking a very similar general political view to the other Newscorp organisations.

OK, that's clarified it a bit.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
I'm not talking about blatent bias, but implied or percieved bias. The BBC tend to go to their Lebanese correspondents first. You could say this is because Lebanon is the country that's being attacked, but you could also claim that it shows BBC bias towards the Lebanese side.

The point about covering matters like this is that there is always going to be bias, because it's human beings reporting on things. Equally, the point about the BBC is that they have always tried to monitor it, and post-Hutton report have gone even further in so doing. They aren't perfect of course, far from it, but they go further than any other news organisation in making the attempt.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
Sky interviewed Galloway, who is an extreme-left caricature. You could say by interviewing such an extremist, they're ridiculing the left, in the same way that Bill O'Reilly tends to interview those on the fringe of the left wing. But you could also say that by interviewing Galloway, they're giving the left a voice.

I know what you're getting at, but in such circumstances you can find such a justification irrespective of what happens. if they don't interview him, it would be evidence of a far-right conspiracy by denying him a voice etc etc.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
Giving political matters 'their due weight' is about as ambiguous as you can get.

It is, but how else can you do it? It always comes down to individual interpretations and viewpoints.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
A difference in the reporting style of Sky could be because they want to provide a counterfoil to the BBC.

That's unquestionably true.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
If you were to give Sky a place on the political spectrum, you'd certainly say it was more right than left.

Um. I don't know about that. I'm not a huge fan of Sky's approach to news, but I don't discern a noticeable, deliberate bias there.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
Sad, maybe, but I wrote to Ofcom a few years ago complaining about a piece I saw on Fox that displayed clear bias

Ofcom themselves expressed the difficulty in dealing with overseas news organisations broadcasting in the UK, and how possible it is to ensure they conform to a UK code.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
Their reply said that whilst their code outlawed bias in factual reporting, it didn't outlaw bias in editorials. Furthermore, 'editorials' didn't have to be explicitely stated as being so. They felt that a show with a distinct and constant anchor, could include elements of editorial along with the reporting of facts.

If you outlaw this kind of thing, then the likes of Panorama can't be shown either, and I'm sure you'd agree that that would be a loss. It's a balancing act, and one that generally speaking I think they perform well.

I'm sure you're infinitely happier with our various news organisations than if we had to put up with what passes for news in the US.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 14):
Listen again, he says the US is supplying missiles that can be used to attack the whole muslim world. This is the truth JFK....the range of these missiles is well known and documented.

That is true, I also have a car that can go 150 MPH, but I don't utilize that option. By him saying that it sounds as if Israel is going to start attacking Dubai and Qatar.....we all know that is not happening, so its a very harsh statement for him to make.

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 22):
then also read Al Jazeera and combine what you see on Sky and Al Jazeera, then you are a little closer to the truth.

Can we all agree that Jazeera is probably not the best news source........??
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
but in such circumstances you can find such a justification irrespective of what happens. if they don't interview him, it would be evidence of a far-right conspiracy by denying him a voice etc etc.

Which shows that you can look at everything both ways. You can say that Sky has a left or right bias by interviewing Galloway.

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
It is, but how else can you do it? It always comes down to individual interpretations and viewpoints.

As that's the case, you can't really say that 'bias is against all the regulations and that they would get leapt on' - bias is completely subjective.

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
Um. I don't know about that. I'm not a huge fan of Sky's approach to news, but I don't discern a noticeable, deliberate bias there.

Hmm, I'm not so sure. Sky presenters seem much more willing to give their personal opinion than BBC presenters. The entire formats lend themselves to Sky giving more opinion during pure 'news' shows - the BBC tends to leave controversial interviews (and questions) to shows like Newsnight and Panorama, shows that have clear editorial content.

To me, Sky looks more and more like 'The Day Today' with each passing, uh, day.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 20):
Sky News is a pretty tabloidy approach in the way that they cover the news

 checkmark  I agree that it is now and think the standards have really slipped since the Bob Friend days. There are plenty of interviews where I seriously feel like calling and asking if the presenter would kindly STFU and let the person being interviewed actually answer the question. And, what's this new feature all about where anyone with a webcam gets to give their 2 cents worth (around 8pm)... it's become like The Sun on telly.

Still for me the worse journo ever was much praised award winning Kate Adie. Silly cow used to come to TIP and much to her disgust the place was all peace and quiet, so she'd just make stuff up about how bad and dangerous it was there.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:34 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 25):
As that's the case, you can't really say that 'bias is against all the regulations and that they would get leapt on' - bias is completely subjective.

Not individual examples, no. But I was more thinking about the Fox News type of approach. They couldn't get away with that. To further make the point, I was (for my sins) watching an ITV news bulletin where they talked about a bombing in Lebanon using the words "atrocity" and "massacre" which struck me as being highly contentious since it implied a deliberate act. Now, that would doubtless attract complaints, but it would only be stamped on if it was a consistent line. It might be for all I know, I usually avoid ITV news like the plague as being the equivalent of the Daily Star on television.  Wink

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 25):
Hmm, I'm not so sure. Sky presenters seem much more willing to give their personal opinion than BBC presenters. The entire formats lend themselves to Sky giving more opinion during pure 'news' shows - the BBC tends to leave controversial interviews (and questions) to shows like Newsnight and Panorama, shows that have clear editorial content.

I do think Sky use the "anchor" model from the US much more than the BBC, certainly. Whether that's an example of systematic bias is something I am less certain about. I suppose there's a reason why I always prefer the BBC news coverage, and that may be part of it.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 25):
To me, Sky looks more and more like 'The Day Today' with each passing, uh, day.

The Day Today was pretty much based on Sky wasn't it?
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 9):
And BTW were the photos showing Israeli children signing the artillery shells also forged?? All I read on this forum were people explaining and justifying it. In any case I didn't see any of them on ANY news network.

I don't understand why that is newsworthy. Americans signed bombs that were dropped on Iraq in Gulf War I; hell, if I were in Israel right now I would probably be signing the artillery shells as well!

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 10):
Very patient and quite when Galloway asked her to say the name of ONE member of the family butchered on the Gaza beach.

You mean the family butchered by that Hamas mine?

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 12):
He's a hero and this is brilliant telly.

No, he's an idiot. The Israelis getting a "bloody good hinding" is what he goes on and on about? Has be not been seeing the news lately? 300 dead Hizballah terrorists to about 50 dead Israeli soldiers...now who is getting the "hinding" again?

This guy is delusional. The US is in no way like Iran, but he makes it sound like the two nations are exactly the same. What a crackpot!
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting KSYR (Reply 28):
I don't understand why that is newsworthy.

huh!!!
Oh well, being a racist or hold bias of the most extreme type is your right. You just will not be dignified with a response again.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 28):
You mean the family butchered by that Hamas mine?

How many bloody times will I have to slap the Human Rights Watch report to set the record straight??
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/13/isrlpa13544.htm
Its not for you, its for those others who may have missed it all those times. I know how you are convined HRW is biased and that IDF report is the most fair on the face of this planet.  
And BTW that comment still goes off my point.

What a waste of bandwidth...

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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:42 pm

Something about Mr.Galloway...............

http://www.welt.de/z/plog/blog.php/t...sts_weblog/2005/11/25/poor_trotsky

More can be found under www.welt.de go to weblogs and "The Free West" search for Galloway.

I have great respect for Mr. de Winter, a Dutch Journalist, who speaks out open and without any false political correctness.

What strikes me, is that Galloway equals Terrorist states with Democracies. You find that in many discussions, not only in Germany but in all countries that are true Democracies, with full freedom of speech, that many do not value that freedom anymore, They take it for granted and don't realize that in countries like Iran or within organisations like Hezbollah there is no freedom of speech, in fact there is no freedom of anything.

A British MP should know better, but then, this guy is a left wing populist. As long as they cater for a tiny fraction, let them be clowns. But when the clowns draw enough votes to form majorities with the help of fools, it becomes dangerous.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 18):
Yes, and I remember when he was appointed. There was considerable unease about the appointment, and Murdoch had to go around the shareholders and convince them that it was a reasonable appointment. It wasn't a fait accompli. As I said, a controlling interest, not a subsidiar

I think you are likely to be correct when you use the term controlling interest Banco.

The discussion of UK media is fascinating from here. We in Aus have a very strange view of UK TV. Almost all the best TV in Aus comes from the UK, so when in the UK, one tends to rush to see what wonderful things we are missing - nothing. So we get a good view of UK TV due largely to the Aus filters. I guess BSkyB is on cable, but what is that I ask?!!

I don't know the exact terms of the legislation in the UK about influence, but Rupert has been at it for a long long time. In fact so long, it is in his blood literally - his father Sir Keith had a fairly inglorious record of trying to block the career of arguably the best WW I general on either side, John Monash. That is a story in itself - indeed books have been written about it.

Do you remember when Murdoch went through Fleet St like a dose of salts with the help of the Iron Lady? You should also have followed the capers with the legislation about poison pills and his breaking his word to shareholders about the poising pill - that was in the last three years. Those are just two examples of the DD getting his way.

All in all, I think you can be fairly sure that BSkyB is doing exactly what Rupert wants it to do. How much that extends to detail I dont know, but I would be very surprised if the basic position taken is not set by Rupert and taken to keep his NY supporters base happy. Look also at the track record that Murdoch has in relation to the wishes of China.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:10 pm

He sure made a great guest , to bad he is completely wrong. Its kind of funny how everyone one puts off on Sky as biased. Like Fox News, they always have guests on with opposing views , what else do you want. Do you want them to spoon feed to you exactly what you want to hear.

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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting KSYR (Reply 28):
I don't understand why that is newsworthy.

Which part of "Israeli children" is it you didn't get?

Quoting KSYR (Reply 28):
Americans signed bombs that were dropped on Iraq in Gulf War I

American children?
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 33):

Yeah its the children detail that disturbs me as well. How can you hope for peace if both sides are pushing war and hate in the new generations?
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 31):
The discussion of UK media is fascinating from here. We in Aus have a very strange view of UK TV. Almost all the best TV in Aus comes from the UK, so when in the UK, one tends to rush to see what wonderful things we are missing - nothing. So we get a good view of UK TV due largely to the Aus filters. I guess BSkyB is on cable, but what is that I ask?!!

That tends to be the way whenever you see foreign or overseas TV productions on your own stations - you see the best, but not the drivel. So, here we see some good US shows, but go to America and watch their television and you realise quite how much of it is bloody awful. No doubt coming to the UK you would get the same impression.

Sky is on digital satellite (I think you're just getting that kind of thing as well now?) and in terms of its total output, it consists mainly of sports channels, movie channels and one news channel. They do have a general entertainment channel, but it consists almost entirely of imported American shows. It's predominantly the BBC who actually make programmes, which shouldn't be surprising as they're the world's largest broadcaster; ITV do as well, but not usually of anything like the same quality.

Having said that, the likes of BBC America tends to act as a showcase for all British channels; they quite frequently show programmes made by ITV or Channels 4 & 5.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 31):
Do you remember when Murdoch went through Fleet St like a dose of salts with the help of the Iron Lady? You should also have followed the capers with the legislation about poison pills and his breaking his word to shareholders about the poising pill - that was in the last three years. Those are just two examples of the DD getting his way.

Certainly. The media rules for the printed press though are radically different to those of the broadcast media. Incidentally, this is precisely why Murdoch uses his newspapers to continually attack the BBC, because he's entirely free to do so. He can't do that with Sky, and when Fox did it, they got into trouble with Ofcom. It is actually a quite fascinating thing to watch, because the BBC is far, far, far more powerful than any of his broadcast outlets, and he hates it. A dominant force is always a bad thing if you're not the one who's got it!

Quoting Baroque (Reply 31):
All in all, I think you can be fairly sure that BSkyB is doing exactly what Rupert wants it to do. How much that extends to detail I dont know, but I would be very surprised if the basic position taken is not set by Rupert and taken to keep his NY supporters base happy. Look also at the track record that Murdoch has in relation to the wishes of China.

To some extent. He can do what he likes provided he keeps the BSkyB shareholders happy. What they are interested in is profits for the company, rather than Newscorp's strategic interest. His stake is big enough to direct the company, but not to have complete, unfettered control. I would equate it to a Prime Minister having a big majority in Parliament, he can do what he likes so long as etc etc.

The China one was fascinating, as he kicked the BBC off his satellite because the Chinese government didn't like it. So the BBC promptly went to another one. Equally, Sky's dominance of the digital satellite market here is going to come under threat when the BBC and other broadcasters launch Freesat later this year or next, which will provide another platform to gain access to the several hundred channels currently only carried on Sky (digital terrestrial, which already exists provides access to about 30 channels). Murdoch is livid about that, and his newspapers continually attack the BBC along the lines of them being unfair competition and so forth, which is a bit rich considering his aim is to squash all competition. What he (naturally) wants is the removal of the BBC as a viable alternative; don't blame him for that in the slightest, but it's precisely the reason why the BBC is so important.
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 29):
How many bloody times will I have to slap the Human Rights Watch report to set the record straight??
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/13/isrlpa13544.htm
Its not for you, its for those others who may have missed it all those times. I know how you are convined HRW is biased and that IDF report is the most fair on the face of this planet.

Interesting that you bring that up. HRW's main military investigator concluded that the most likely cause of the blast was unexploded ordinance, not shells fired from Israeli warships. HRW decided to ignore their own investigator and continues to blame Israel, albeit with no proof.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_blast
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 12):
He's a hero

He's your hero? This idiot who just presents no arguments and hurls insults is your hero?
Frankly it's quite funny that HE has the guts to accuse anyone of bias.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 24):
Can we all agree that Jazeera is probably not the best news source........??

Didn't say it is. But neither is CNN, Sky or alot of the other "major" channels. If you want to get an objective picture, look at both sides of the story.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:07 am

The problem is that the Anchorwomen does not know the facts and how to respond to Galloway who is an arragant, antisemitic crook who should be in jail for taking bribes from Saddam Hussein.

Israel occupied Southern Lebanon 20 years ago because Palestinians were firing rockets into Israel like Hezbolah. After we left 6 years ago, Hezbolah made up an eggs cuse that we had not left the Shaba Farms area which is a tiny witsy bitsy piece of land. According to the UN Shaba is Syrian; not Lebanese.

Israel does not hold thousands of Lebanese prisoners so that is another Galloway lie. The main reason Israel attacked was that Iran and Hezbolah have been threatening to "destroy Israel / genocide." Nassralah has been baiting Israel for years. The kidnapping of the 2 soldiers was the last straw.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 37):
He's your hero? This idiot who just presents no arguments and hurls insults is your hero?

I think it's unfair to say he presents no arguments, I think the opposite is true - News Corp et al offer a breathtakingly biased view, perfectly illustrated in the Sky interview where he asks why we are asked to mourn the deaths of the Israeli soldiers about to invade Lebanon.

Galloway's argument is, no justice, no peace, and he's right. We can delegitimise the valid aspirations of Palestinian statehood or Lebanese resistance by calling them names ie "terrorists" (there's your hurling of insults right there) but at the end of the day they will fight their oppressors to the last man woman and child and we better accept that. Galloway's argument, much as you hate it, is correct and no-one else is saying it publicly, which makes him a hero in my book. More so than ill-informed and bloodthirsty incompetents like Blair who think that if we just kill enough Shia Lebanese children, somehow Hezbollah will become irrelevant.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 39):
The problem is that the Anchorwomen does not know the facts and how to respond to Galloway who is an arragant, antisemitic crook who should be in jail for taking bribes from Saddam Hussei

Here's the story to that.

http://www.welt.de/z/plog/blog.php/t...sts_weblog/2005/10/25/saint_george

The guy is not a hero, he is a liar, and when he is not lying he is twisting the truth, Like all the left wing populists,
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 39):
antisemitic

Doubtful. Anti-Isaeli, unquestionably, but I don't think he hates Jews. I work in showbiz so (honestly) a lot of my friends and associates are Jewish, and I live in the most Jewish neighbourhood in London, and it doesn't bother me at all, but I am anti-Israeli. Anti-semitism is a cheap shot thrown out by Zionists and I'm pleased to notice where this happens, the accusation never sticks. People are smart enough to make the distinction, Galloway included.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 39):
crook who should be in jail for taking bribes from Saddam Hussein

Oh come on, I'm defending him against accusations of anti-semitism without actually knowing what's in his thoughts, but this is beyond doubt. If he had taken bribes from Saddam, why is he getting damages from the Mail (one of the most ugly, right-wing, homophobic, racist, biased publications on the entire planet, PS)? He was up on charges in the US Senate, and look what happened there. You may disagree with him but you won't win the argument by slinging discredited lies. Please.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 40):
...by calling them names ie "terrorists" (there's your hurling of insults right there) but at the end of the day they will fight their oppressors to the last man woman and child and we better accept that. Galloway's argument, much as you hate it, is correct and no-one else is saying it publicly, which makes him a hero in my book

That's very subjective to say the least. On the same line, calling them "freedom fighters" could also be an insult to the anti-Hizbollah et al.

Galloway has no argument and just went on a rant. If he wanted to do something productive then he should join the Hizbollah movement on the ground on the Israeli-Lebanese border instead of trying to get a hard-on over shouting down a female news presenter.

One notes he did not respond to the question, has Hizbollah failed in its intent to get rid of Israeli soldiers in Lebanon considering there are more in there than ever before. Sneaky idiot.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 40):
Galloway's argument, much as you hate it, is correct

What you're ignoring is that Galloway support Hezbollah - who in turn are comitted to the destruction of Israel.

If you support Hezbollah, you support the destruction of Israel, it's as simple as that.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 42):
but I am anti-Israel

In what way? Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself? A yes or no answer to that is fine.

If you agree with that, then you must disagree with Hezbollah.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 42):
Doubtful. Anti-Isaeli, unquestionably, but I don't think he hates Jews. I work in showbiz so (honestly) a lot of my friends and associates are Jewish, and I live in the most Jewish neighbourhood in London, and it doesn't bother me at all, but I am anti-Israeli. Anti-semitism is a cheap shot thrown out by Zionists and I'm pleased to notice where this happens, the accusation never sticks. People are smart enough to make the distinction, Galloway included.

You make a very good point here. I am pro-Jewish, never had any issue with anyone of that faith. I have many good friends over the years that just happened to be Jewish. I do have many issues with Israel. I do not agree with their policies. I have very strong feelings and issues, but I am not anti-Jewish nor do I want the destruction of Israel. At the same time trust me I have some extreme opinions of the US government policy. I don't buy into the Zionist beliefs and that is my personal opinion. I ask this question, what would most people of the world do if they were not asked about a proposition to move another group of people into their area to form another country and have no say so about it. By nature the reaction is not going to be good. I'll accept what happened in 1948 as reality. Let's face it at this point Israel has several generations living there. I do get angry when I did hear American accents in Gaza and they site that it's a biblical right, wrong answer for me.

Mr. Galloway makes very good points. Each side does have areas of wrong doing. If the United States played as a fair partner we might have a chance at solving some of these issues. Until 1967 is revisited and addressed the same will continue. I find it odd that the other opinion is simply regarded to Anti-Semitism without further discussion. I left going to church when the message became the second coming of Christ is linked to having the Jews in Israel and we need to get the Arabs out.

I'm sure this will get deleted, but stated my belief.
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:46 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 44):
What you're ignoring is that Galloway support Hezbollah - who in turn are comitted to the destruction of Israel.

Really? Maybe they'd like to see the Zionists gone from Palestine, but their stated policy is the removal of Israel from Lebanese land and the return of thousands of Lebanese held without trial, some for decades. Given that Lebanon has never threatened any serious military action against Israel, it is remarkable how many Lebanese the Israelis have seen fit to kill over the years, 11,800 in the 1982 invasion, god knows how many in their 1977 incursion and god knows how many during the 82-00 occupation (thousands). I wouldn't blame any Lebanese for calling for the destruction of Israel, given their suffering at the hands of the Israeli "Defence" Force. But I don't know where you got the idea that Hezbollah's raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel, cos it's complete rubbish.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 44):
If you support Hezbollah, you support the destruction of Israel, it's as simple as that.

See above. And enough with the "it's as simple as that" - hardly ever is that the case, least of all in your case, 777236ER, with your dilettentes' enthusiasm for history lessons half-learned.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 44):
In what way? Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself? A yes or no answer to that is fine.

I agree Israel has a right to exist in the pre 1967 borders, with a free and sovereign Palestinian state with it's capital in East Jerusalem.

I don't know why you're so keen to see things in black and white. A compromise is possible and that is what all the Arab nations have called for for decades. Even Saudi will recognise and trade with Israel if it can live with the land-for-peace formula described above. It is only the Israelis, and you, 777236ER, who are so greedy as to want to take the whole lot, no matter how much blood is shed. As a Brit, 777236ER, you should know better.
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:53 pm

This video would be about a minute long if it was taken from an American network.
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:46 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 41):
Here's the story to that.

http://www.welt.de/z/plog/blog.php/t...sts_weblog/2005/10/25/saint_george

Gee, I have to admire that source.

"The most damning fresh testimony came from Tariq Aziz, the former Deputy Prime Minister, who told the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations that Iraq granted Mr Galloway oil allocations to help to fund his Mariam Appeal. "

And just when did Tariq Aziz talk to the US Senate Permanent Subcommittee?

This blogger is just pulling bits out of CNN and doing a bit of tropism on them. And I think you will find most of the quotes come not from speaking to Congress but answers at his trial in Baghdad.

Why dont you cite the evidence of Galloway himself to the Senate?
http://www.houstonjusticenotwar.org/...alloway-address-to-us-congress.asp

he Times Online, May 18 2005

" ...Now, Senator, I gave my heart and soul to oppose the policy that you promoted. I gave my political life's blood to try to stop the mass killing of Iraqis by the sanctions on Iraq which killed one million Iraqis, most of them children, most of them died before they even knew that they were Iraqis, but they died for no other reason other than that they were Iraqis with the misfortune to born at that time. I gave my heart and soul to stop you committing the disaster that you did commit in invading Iraq. And I told the world that your case for the war was a pack of lies...

Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies."

How is them apples?

Thanks also to CJ who made similar points that I had not seen when I wrote that.

[Edited 2006-08-09 13:48:34]
 
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RE: Mideast War: Sky News Anchor Cut To Size.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Scintx (Reply 45):

I'm sure this will get deleted, but stated my belief.

Then so will this, but deletion will still not stop it having been an excellent post Scintx.

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