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Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:57 am

Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East. The prediction was presented not by Vagna or Nostradamus but by an American political scientist Bernard Lewis in the acclaimed publication of Wall Street Journal. He is a man with close ties to the Bush administration as well as to the non-conservatives pushing for the radical solution of the “Iranian Threat.”

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/co...cts/11-08-2006/83898-Nuclear_War-0
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:35 am

Very Unlikely.
22nd August we will know.NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE  Smile
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:44 am

What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel, but with conventional explosives. Even that would be a huge message especially if a number of Israelies were killed and could really screw things up in the middle east. It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran and it's nuke facilities. Then it could really be WWIII. Maybe if we are lucky if Iran is stupid enough to do this, their missiles will blow up at launch, over Iran or maybe are a little short of hitting Israel. Apparently the Aug. 22 date is close to the date when Saliman conquored Jeurilsim about 1000 years ago, which set off the Crusades.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:58 am

So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel, but with conventional explosives. Even that would be a huge message especially if a number of Israelies were killed and could really screw things up in the middle east. It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran

Even in your deluded scenario Iran, which is not now a combatant, sends missiles to Israel and YOU find some way to be hostile toward Bush over it.

Do you begin to comprehend how biased, how blindly pro-Islamoterrorist, anti-US that is? You cut Iran a freebie on bombing Israel and blame us. Your bias greatly exceeds most of the comments I've heard from Lebanese on this forum and THEY have valid reason to be aggrieved at this moment. I don't believe that you do.

You do realize that there is a time-honored tradition of nations having mutual defense pacts don't you? Do you understand that if Iran fires missiles over the top of Iraq and Syria toward Israel that is an act of war?

Damn betcha there will be a response to such a mad-dog act of stupidity as that.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel, but with conventional explosives. Even that would be a huge message especially if a number of Israelies were killed and could really screw things up in the middle east. It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran and it's nuke facilities. Then it could really be WWIII.

Nonsense.

a) Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

b) WWIII would require some of the major powers standing on different sides. That would simply not happen, as none of the major powers would actually side with Iran.

If Ahmadinejad was actually that stupid, it would result in major damage to Iran, possibly a counter-revolution unseating the Mullahs due to fed-up iranians having enough of the nonsense and a loss of power on the islamist side.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

Mark

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
Even in your deluded scenario Iran, which is not now a combatant,

While I agree with your overall point SamClick, I would have to point out that with reports of Iranian Revolutionary Guards being killed by Israeli soldiers fighting in Lebanon, Iran could be considers as a combatant now.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
a) Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

I agree, but many countries have been known to do supremely stupid things.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
b) WWIII would require some of the major powers standing on different sides. That would simply not happen, as none of the major powers would actually side with Iran.

I also agree here, but then we do not know what side France will come down on yet.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

Nonsense.

Rethorics and actual intentions are two very different things, and a large portion of the iranian population is only rolling its eyes about Ahmadinejad's antics.

The mullahs are on their way out - they've lost much of their actual power already; The civilian and - yes! - democratic society which has been developing in Iran has undermined their domestic standing to a much larger degree than you seem to be aware of.

Most iranians simply want to live in peace, without corruption and without those annoying revolution guards.

Ahmadinejad had promised to fight the widespread corruption (similar to Hamas, actually!). I'm increasingly suspecting that the fight isn't going so well, so he needs a diversion from the domestic problems... Ever heard of that kind of tactics?  mischievous 
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
an American political scientist Bernard Lewis in the acclaimed publication of Wall Street Journal.

Driving stock prices through investor speculation.  stirthepot 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

I don't think Iran cares. I think they want us to make the first move, and encite a global jihad, which will have a nuclear escalation.

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

I was thinking along the same lines, and so I found the actual article. Here's a link to the OpinionJournal of the Wall Street Journal:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768

All these predictions of the apocalypse come across as somewhat melodramatic and often silly, but the article is rather well-written, and even if nothing happens on August 22, there are still some salient bits of information mixed with opinion in the article.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 7):
I also agree here, but then we do not know what side France will come down on yet.

They'll surrender as usual.  Wink I think they would be at a difficult crossroad but in the end would not side with Iran.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

Wasn't that TASS? Or were they just the news service who published articles in Pravda?
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

What year is the calendar in your world? Mine says 2006 and the Soviet Union has not existed for almost 15 years. Plus this Pravda is not the same paper as the old CPSU paper, as the original Pravda was shuttered in 1991 by Yeltsin.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
22nd August we will know.NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE

I can predict one thing.... I turn 19 that day. :/
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Ahmadinejad had promised to fight the widespread corruption (similar to Hamas, actually!). I'm increasingly suspecting that the fight isn't going so well, so he needs a diversion from the domestic problems... Ever heard of that kind of tactics?

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Very well observed Klaus. Nonetheless don´t underestimate the power of the mullahs.
WWIII will not start on the 22nd. Total nonsense. Iran will not make that mistake and declare war on Israel.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran and it's nuke facilities.

I could take that in aleast two different ways: (1) that using such weapons that they are being accused of having will render them worth disarming. (2) to any equally sensitive individual, bringing Bush and the tag 'neo-con' (which to be honest I don't know what that is but is sounds like a simplification of a larger word and thus is a nickname and probably not a welcome one at that) would incite emotionally-charged arguments. Because you used what I see as name calling with the 'neo-con', #2 will occur more often than #1. Heck, what if it isn't about what is on the surface, what if there is more to it? I realize I am more or less talking to myself, but some of you really should try to put your emotions (what you believe and how you feel) ASIDE.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

Not every country has what we supposedly are in the US, that the government is represented by the people. I doubt all democratic elections are the same around the world such that there is equality among voters. Don't go making what can be seen as generalizations unless you know for sure, logically not emotionally. What I replied to LTBEWR applies to you too.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Nonsense.

a) Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

You'd think that, but then appareantly, wether there were WMD's in Iraq or not was irrelevant - we still went in. Technically, Iran doesn't have to do anything, we will still go in to disarm them as they are a precieved threat and that is all that matters. I do however wait for the rhetoric to apply to North Korea.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
Do you begin to comprehend how biased, how blindly pro-Islamoterrorist, anti-US that is?

I got the sense of dislike with the neo-con tag but the 'pro-Islamoterrorist'...you might know more than I do. I figure he used a nickname and other previous information to justify his thinking, so may have you. I feel both of you felt they way you see things were obvious. Some people feel any situation regarding Israel or the Mideast will eventually involve the US or that people look to us for the next move. I do see the 'neo con' tag as useless as he assumes we know something, i.e not being specifc. What I replied to LTBEWR also applies to you.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Rethorics and actual intentions are two very different things, and a large portion of the iranian population is only rolling its eyes about Ahmadinejad's antics.

which matters not one iota, because the general population has exactly zero influence on government policy and actions.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Wasn't that TASS? Or were they just the news service who published articles in Pravda?

TASS was the official news agency, Pravda (together with Izvestia) their main means of publishing that "news" (read: propaganda).

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
Plus this Pravda is not the same paper as the old CPSU paper, as the original Pravda was shuttered in 1991 by Yeltsin.

The core systems of the USSR are still in place. The president there is a former general in the KGB, the armed forces still fly under the red banner of the Soviet era.
No, the communist empire is far from dead. The bear is just hibernating and is starting to wake up again after a 15 year slumber in which it has seen its enemies weaken itself to the point where they can no longer defend themselves.
The plans of Stalin are coming to fruition in fact, Stalin himself predicted this turn of events with the USSR organising its own demise (while in fact just shedding the appearance of communism while retaining the essence) to fool NATO into disarming and make themselves an easy target.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 15):
I do however wait for the rhetoric to apply to North Korea.

The difference there is that NK has neighbors with influence in DC, Iraq does not and who's fault is that?

We will not act unilaterally in NK because of SK, China, and Japan. Funny how none of Iraq's neighbors raised a fuss isn't it?
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 16):
which matters not one iota, because the general population has exactly zero influence on government policy and actions.

Wrong. Any populist is heavily dependent on how the population thinks about his show. Ahmadinejad may be radical, but he's still an elected radical. If he's perceived as more trouble than he's worth by the voters, he's out of there!

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 16):
The plans of Stalin are coming to fruition in fact, Stalin himself predicted this turn of events with the USSR organising its own demise (while in fact just shedding the appearance of communism while retaining the essence) to fool NATO into disarming and make themselves an easy target.

Sure. And the positively desolate state of the russian army is just part of the plan, right?  crazy 

Don't get me wrong, I'm heavily suspicious about Putin's methods and intentions, but tin foil hats actually don't help you thinking clearly, whatever "they" may have been telling you...!  hypnotized 
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
If Ahmadinejad was actually that stupid

It's not that he is stupid.

He just doesn't care. His main goal in life is to see the end of Israel. If he dies doing it, he really could care less being that he believes his reward after life will be well worth it. This man is sick.

I personally, will not be sleeping come August 21st.

Hopefully I'll check in on the 23rd and say I was wrong.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
could really screw things up in the middle east

It isn't screwed up already?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Nonsense.

You don't remember your country's history?
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 17):
We will not act unilaterally in NK because of SK, China, and Japan. Funny how none of Iraq's neighbors raised a fuss isn't it?

Apart from Kuwait, how many of Iraq's neighbors griped/knew about what was going on there? What we may see as genocide others may see it as quelling an uprising. Still, what is NK's leader going to do if we decide to remove him from power? They recently tested a rocket, but I hear it didn't make it all the way; so if he ordered a nuke launch, it wouldn't get anywhere unless they fixed bugs...

I'm sure we have just about all the information we can of them without going in there, right? Say two or three seal teams of 4, going in, take him out without making a big Iraq'ish scene.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:58 am

Nonsense...

Exactly the same with June 6, 2006. The media was hyping 6-6-06 would be the "end of the world" and some people believed it.

Guess what...the earth didn't explode, nor did anything supernatural occur.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
It's not that he is stupid.
He just doesn't care. His main goal in life is to see the end of Israel. If he dies doing it, he really could care less being that he believes his reward after life will be well worth it. This man is sick.

He's a populist first and foremost. I have my doubts that his statements are all actually his exact beliefs.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
I personally, will not be sleeping come August 21st.
Hopefully I'll check in on the 23rd and say I was wrong.

That would be end-of-the-world scenario about, what, #1395? Why should it fare any "better" than its 1394 predecessors?

Unless the author has found a way to engineer this announced doomsday himself, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it at all.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
You don't remember your country's history?

Silly knee-jerk responses like that go beside the point. Superficial similarities are certainly there, but those were not really decisive before nor are they now.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:18 am

Hello all

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East.

Darn, I better move my trip to London up by 2 weeks.

Cheers

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 24):

Think I will stay in the cave that day. Better stock up on baked beans.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
What could occur

Folks, what does occur is that LTBEWR makes one inflamatory post and then exits the building. Why bother responding to him at all? I have for the last time since he obviously can't back up his spurious claims and wants to enjoy all our wonderful country has to offer without giving anything in return.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:36 am

OHHH NOOOO WE"RE ALLL GOING TOO DIEEE!!! RUNN FOR COVER!!

oh wait, how can we run for cover if we are all doomed anyways?
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:38 am

Highly unlikely,
There is not going to be a nuclear war, there's not going to be World War lll. Niether on August 22. Whatever-if anything-happens on August 22, we'll just have to wait and find out....
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:40 am

By 'neo-cons' I am refering to Neo-Conservitives, which include VP Chenny, and several close advisors to Bush. The include those whom encouraged the President to go after Saddam and into Iraq after 9/11, using bad info and twisting it to justify their decision to send our troops there. To me they are not to be trusted by anyone in the world.
Yes, if Israel is hit by missiles by Iran, the USA would probably bomb nuke and rocket/missile facilities in Iran, with conventional weapons, in part in defense of Israel but also as an excuse to go after Iran. Iran has hated the USA for over 25 years (due to our horrible policies as to Iran and their people during the Shah's control). There are also many Americans whom would love to see revenge against Iran for the Hostage crisis of 1979-80.
I would also suspect that Israel would with the USA's help and blessings and participate in any air actions against Iran as well. If the USA and/or Israel bombed Iran, it would cause much more hate and terror upon both of us and it's friends, facilities, companies around the world.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:12 pm

The part of the article that astonishes me is where it says, "It seems increasingly likely that the Iranians either have or very soon will have nuclear weapons at their disposal......."

On all the evidence, that's rubbish. Iran is years off having the processing capacity to produce enough enriched uranium, and still wouldn't have any means of delivery.

If anyone wants to read what the REAL religious nutcases are saying about August 22, read Joel C. Rosenberg on here:-

"Today, the country is deeply divided over whether using military force in Iraq was the right thing to do. But the Iranian nuclear threat is now far worse than the Iraqi threat of having or obtaining weapons of mass destruction was then. President Bush has a decision to make and precious little time to make it."

http://article.nationalreview.com/pr...hhMzVjZTM0ZmI1ZmJlYzAxNzU3NDEyMWI=
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 28):
there's not going to be World War lll

So do you mean on August 22nd, or ever? WWI was touted as the "war to end all wars." Then we had WWII. So, is there ever going to be WWIII?

It just stands to reason that there will be, doesn't it? It may well not start on August 22nd, but I'll bet that noone guessed that WWI would start on July 28, 1914.

Any day is as likely as any other.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

I'm affraid Mark is right.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=205731

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 32):

I am sure if you asked the ordinary Iranian he wouldnt agree with you.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:29 pm

August 22nd? Hmmm... we´ll be in Kuala Lumpur then. Well, I guess I could try to get an upgrade on Lufthansa, as it will be my last flight...  Wink
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 31):
So, is there ever going to be WWIII?

It just stands to reason that there will be, doesn't it?

Roosevelt and Churchill foresaw that, CastleIsland, and therefore determined to set up the United Nations to prevent it. The stumbling-block was, of course, Joe Stalin. The actual words that Churchill used to convince Stalin at Yalta in 1945 are recorded; and, unfortunately, they also record Churchill's opinion that it might not work forever:-

Winston Churchill: "I know that under the leaders of the three powers as represented here we may feel safe. But these leaders may not live forever. In ten years' time we may disappear. A new generation will come which did not experience the horrors of war and may probably forget what we have gone through. We would like to secure the peace for at least fifty years. We have now to build up such a status, such a plan, that we can put as many obstacles as possible to the coming generation quarreling among themselves."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAun.htm

In fact WW3 has been avoided for sixty-one years already. But maybe Churchill was right about the eventual emergence of a generation of politicians who haven't experienced war, and will therefore have to learn the same lessons that he did. The hard way.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
over Iran or maybe are a little short of hitting Israel

Are you saying that as long as it falls short of killing innocent Israelis, it's ok if it falls short and kills innocent Iranians, Iraqis, Jordanians and Syrians?
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
You don't remember your country's history?

Silly knee-jerk responses like that go beside the point.

So says the German. Ha! It's so easy to forget your history when it doesn't fit your argument.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Rethorics and actual intentions are two very different things, and a large portion of the iranian population is only rolling its eyes about Ahmadinejad's antics.

Rhetoric and intentions led to a lot of deaths at the hands of your country 60+ years ago because of rhetoric. It can and will hapen again unfortunately. As for the Iranian public rolling their eyes at Ahmadinehad's antics do you have proof or are you just making assumptions? Have you been in Tehran asking folks this question? Was it a poll by RTE? Sounds like speculation on your part.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:53 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
So says the German. Ha! It's so easy to forget your history when it doesn't fit your argument.

DeltaGator, why do guys like you live in the past all the time?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
Rhetoric and intentions led to a lot of deaths at the hands of your country 60+ years ago because of rhetoric. It can and will hapen again unfortunately.

From your profile you're a Southerner. So presumably, not all that long ago, your own ancestors mounted an armed (and exceptionally bloody) four-year rebellion against the Government of the United States. When is that going to 'happen again'? According to your logic, it's only a matter of time?
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 38):
DeltaGator, why do guys like you live in the past all the time?

Because if you don't remember the past you are doomed to repeat it. Read on.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 38):
From your profile you're a Southerner. So presumably, not all that long ago, your own ancestors mounted an armed (and exceptionally bloody) four-year rebellion against the Government of the United States. When is that going to 'happen again'? According to your logic, it's only a matter of time?

I'm not saying that the Germans will do the same thing again like they did in WWI or WWII nor will us Southerners rise up against the USA again (though we would like to get rid of some of these Damn Yankees that keep moving down here) but that something similar will happen again. Whether it is Iran or some other country throwing out the rhetoric and intentions is still to be determined.
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 36):
Are you saying that as long as it falls short of killing innocent Israelis, it's ok if it falls short and kills innocent Iranians, Iraqis, Jordanians and Syrians?

No, that would be bad and wrong too, and hopefully they would land in uninhaibited areas, but better than them landing successfully in Israel. It would make Iran look bad and piss off their neighbors against them. That is a risk they face if the do that.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
Then it could really be WWIII.

Why a World war.What would constitute the opponents.IRAN v/s the Rest.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
I can predict one thing.... I turn 19 that day

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:24 pm

Debated whether to put this on and thought I might as well, since it's possibly 'real-time' information.

I have a bit of a 'hot-line' to the Middle East. My local 'milk-bar' (corner shop) is owned by Tony and Sam; both Australian citizens. But Tony is from the Lebanon, and as luck would have it he and his wife and kid were visiting family there when the war started. They made it safely to Damascus but are staying on because they are naturally worried about their kinfolk. Sam is from Syria - his wife flew to Damascus last week to be with HER family.

Sam badly wants to go there himself, because his father is 95 and not too well. But he obviously can't go till Tony gets back to run the shop - and he has another problem, he is a retired Syrian Army officer (field rank, acting-colonel when he finished) and could be called back in if Syria is attacked while he is there.

I visit most evenings and if the shop's quiet we compare notes; he knows more than most because he still has family and friends in the army in Syria. Oddly enough, up to now, he's been reckoning that it's just Lebanon and I've been thinking that Bush might be crazy enough to go for Iran and/or Syria as well.

The shop was busy tonight, we couldn't talk. I'd been expecting him, if anything, to be relieved that the UN was finally doing something, however inadequate; and Sam's usually the 'laugh a minute' type anyway.

But tonight he looked pretty grim and pre-occupied. And as he handed me my change he shook his head and said quietly, "I think you were right. I think.......Iran....soon."
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
The mullahs are on their way out - they've lost much of their actual power already; The civilian and - yes! - democratic society which has been developing in Iran has undermined their domestic standing to a much larger degree than you seem to be aware of.

This is exactly what makes the situation so volatile. If they feel that they are going out anyway - they will have less inhibition to use any means possible to stay in power.

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East.

Well, if the Isreali cabinet votes positively on the UN resolution tomorrow.. then there will be a seize fire.. right? Well, let's hope this will happen!

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
Maybe if we are lucky if Iran is stupid enough to do this, their missiles will blow up at launch

I see your point LTBEWR, but i think Iran knows better than just launching missiles on Israel...


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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
So says the German. Ha! It's so easy to forget your history when it doesn't fit your argument.



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
Rhetoric and intentions led to a lot of deaths at the hands of your country 60+ years ago because of rhetoric. It can and will hapen again unfortunately.

Your problem is that you seem to know little else than the most superficial aspects of the nazi era.

While I agree that Ahmadinejad is dangerous, knee-jerk reactions only cloud your own judgment in the matter.

It took a lot more than just rethoric to set the Holocaust and WWII in motion, and that background needs to be examined both historically with respect to Germany 1933-1945 and today looking at Iran.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
As for the Iranian public rolling their eyes at Ahmadinehad's antics do you have proof or are you just making assumptions? Have you been in Tehran asking folks this question? Was it a poll by RTE? Sounds like speculation on your part.

I've been following the goings-on in Iran for years by now; There are many opportunities to get information from various sources. Foreign journalists can report from there with not too many restrictions.

Quoting Damirc (Reply 43):
This is exactly what makes the situation so volatile. If they feel that they are going out anyway - they will have less inhibition to use any means possible to stay in power.

True, but their hard-core followers are a minority in Iran, so they have to tread somewhat carefully. They were still able to manipulate the last elections (shutting out many dissident candidates) and to mostly suppress the protests, but their power is not unlimited.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:42 am

Hello all

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East.

I hope this does not interfere with the BHM shooting meet on Nov 4-5.

Maybe the very fact that there will be A.neters shooting guns will make all parties in the Middle East sue for peace.   

Cheers

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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:07 am

Hope not...I want to at least see Italy first...I leave two weeks today, and I promise a trip report for my first flights on US.
 
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

Oh sweet Jesus. Is it 1989 already?! How long have I been asleep?
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RE: Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 48):
Oh sweet Jesus. Is it 1989 already?! How long have I been asleep

Almost 18 years beyond  
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