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Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:35 am

Sony is the principal supporter of Blu-ray while Toshiba backs HD-DVD. Only three of the major studios have said they will release movies in HD-DVD formats.
Microsoft has thrown its weight behind HD-DVD while Sony is incorporating Blu-ray players into its PlayStation 3 console.

So how do you know which to buy?

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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:45 am

For now the best thing we can do is wait and see which one takes the lead. As we have seen, only one will take the lead. My money is on HD-DVD just because of the simplicity of the name compared to "Blu-ray."


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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:48 am

Blu-Ray will become the leader; with the amount of pies that Sony has it's fingers in compared to Toshiba, Blu-Ray will become more widespread than HD-DVD relatively quickly. HD-DVD will end up on the same pile as Betamax and VDs.
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:49 am

Neither.

Both are mandating massively restricted copy-protection mechanisms all through your equipment, with a resulting loss of reliability and an increase in cost.

Not that it would actually hinder pirates in ripping off those HD/Blue ray disks - it just costs and annoys the legitimate users.

One of those bright ideas: Any movie disk can contain a hardware revocation list which will basically cripple your player so it will only play back in low resolution from that point on if the movie industry believes that someone in remote India could have hacked that player model.

The Blue Ray format would be the best format for data storage (much higher data capacity than HD DVD), but for movies - a boycott would be the only adequate response.
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:50 am

I would wait until a universal format is decided. Rumor has it (TWiT), that LG will manufacture a universal format player. The legalities of the copyrights/patents must be worked out first. Allegedly, Sony and Toshiba has made harware manufacturers sign exclusive agreements that prevents anyone making both standards. The whole set is just bad for the consumers. Maybe someone will make a disc with each format on one side like early DVDs.

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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Blu-Ray will become the leader; with the amount of pies that Sony has it's fingers in compared to Toshiba

Not necessarily, look at Sony's other ventures:

-Betamax (failed, technically better than VHS, but still lost)
-MiniDisc (failed, was supposed to take over for CDs)
-MemoryStick (failed, not nearly as popular as other memory types)

Many experts think Blu-ray might be headed down the path of other Sony-specials
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Not necessarily, look at Sony's other ventures:

- CD: Became the worldwide standard and the basis for all following data storage formats. (Jointly with Philips, who admittedly developed most of it.)
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
- CD: Became the worldwide standard and the basis for all following data storage formats. (Jointly with Philips, who admittedly developed most of it.)

So that makes it

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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
So that makes it
Failures 3 : 0.5 Successes

True. But they sure get points for tryingBig grin
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
- CD: Became the worldwide standard and the basis for all following data storage formats. (Jointly with Philips, who admittedly developed most of it.)

So that makes it

Failures 3 : 0.5 Successes


You gotta admit that that one success overrode the other failures. Success is getting up one more time than you fall down.....

incredible success is the compact disc......
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 4):
I would wait until a universal format is decided. Rumor has it (TWiT), that LG will manufacture a universal format player.

That is what happened with DVD writeables. The DVD Forum (DVD-R/-RW) was against the DVD Alliance (DVD+R/+RW), with exclusive players and burners for each. Now, like most other DVD burners, my Tablet PC has a multi-format drive, writing in DVD-/+ R/RW Double Layer. So essentially, the 2 formats got nowhere.
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Not necessarily, look at Sony's other ventures:

Walkman mate!!! They invented the term and world followed
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:41 pm

If you look at things, Blu-ray will probably be the triumphant format. It simply has more companies backing it. They will simply throw their resources behind it to make it the dominant format.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 10):
That is what happened with DVD writeables. The DVD Forum (DVD-R/-RW) was against the DVD Alliance (DVD+R/+RW), with exclusive players and burners for each. Now, like most other DVD burners, my Tablet PC has a multi-format drive, writing in DVD-/+ R/RW Double Layer. So essentially, the 2 formats got nowhere.

We will probably see dual type players capable of reading both formats sooner or later.
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 11):
Walkman mate!!! They invented the term and world followed

Not exactly. Just like Apple didn't invent the MP3 player, Sony just made the Walkman a product, but they actually ripped off the original german inventor who had presented his idea to Sony earlier.
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
We will probably see dual type players capable of reading both formats sooner or later.

True, as the players out now are the first generation players. Just like the first generation DVD burners, they could only burn an exclusive format, but you could de-regionize them, and not have to worry about the 5 allotted region changes of today's burners.
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 14):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
We will probably see dual type players capable of reading both formats sooner or later.

Not my quote...!
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:23 am

Does anyone else simply feel that it's probably better to wait another couple of years prior to making serious investment in viewing/listening technology?

It seems there's alot of leaves yet to shake off the tree here.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
but they actually ripped off the original german inventor who had presented his idea to Sony earlier.

OK...is this like back in summer camp when the French kids tried to tell me that the French invented the telephone, telegraph, lightbulb, airplane and a couple other world altering items?

Put some documentation up on this because I'm actually fascinated by little historical side-items like this.

Hey.....off topic.....what do you guys think about Bang & Olafson?
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
OK...is this like back in summer camp when the French kids tried to tell me that the French invented the telephone, telegraph, lightbulb, airplane and a couple other world altering items?

Nope:

Walkman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Quote:
The first Walkman was a transistorized miniature portable cassette tape player developed by a German inventor. The first Sony Walkman stereo was sold in 1979 as the Soundabout. Sony co-founder Akio Morita created 'the portable personal stereo with headphones' product concept at Sony, and according to his biography Made in Japan, junior Sony engineers in the Walkman development group came up with the 'Walkman' name based on a previous product's name which was called 'the Pressman', while Morita was on vacation. When Morita returned, he was told about the 'Walkman' name for the first time but he hated it so much that he asked it to be changed. But he was told by junior executives that a promotion campaign had already begun using the 'Walkman' name and it would be too expensive to change it now. And so Morita relented.

Until recently, Morita was also credited with the invention of the personal stereo. However, Sony has recently acknowledged the claims of Andreas Pavel, who created and patented a similar device, the stereobelt, in 1977. After 30 years of highly financed court battles against Pavel, Sony came to an out-of-court settlement in 2003.
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):

Not to mention that the picture quality isn't that much better than a standard DVD.
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 18):
Not to mention that the picture quality isn't that much better than a standard DVD.

Technically, they should. If you don't own an HD-capable TV, then you won't see a difference. But I may be wrong...

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
Does anyone else simply feel that it's probably better to wait another couple of years prior to making serious investment in viewing/listening technology?

Yes and no...while I think that later technology is better, by the time you think the technology is mature and decide to purchase it, there probably is even better technology on the way...so now, do you buy the mature technology, or do you wait for the better, newer technology to mature?
 
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 19):
Technically, they should. If you don't own an HD-capable TV, then you won't see a difference. But I may be wrong...

Naturally, neither of these next-gen DVD technologies will do anything for you if you're still stuck on 480i. That said, everything I've heard from people who see DVD v. next-gen on two HDTVs side-by-side indicates that it's really not worth your money.

Some people may beg to differ, but I'm not going to stop them from opening their wallets.  Smile
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RE: Blu-ray V HD-DVD

Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
For now the best thing we can do is wait and see which one takes the lead.

Agree, either we will see dual format machines or one will take over the other.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
My money is on HD-DVD just because of the simplicity of the name compared to "Blu-ray."

I don't know I would have hoped Sony would have learned a few lessons over the years, from BETA and some of the other formats there.

But then again they didn't have the movie and entertaiment arms they do have, So they have the option of developing content exclusively for their systems.
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